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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:29 AM Dec 2015

Middle-class families, pillar of the American dream, are no longer in the majority, study finds

Source: LA Times

The nation's middle class, long a pillar of the U.S. economy and foundation of the American dream, has shrunk to the point where it no longer constitutes the majority of the adult population, according to a new major study.

The Pew Research Center report released Wednesday put in sharp relief the nation's increasing income divide, which is certain to be a central issue in the 2016 presidential race. It also highlights how various economic and demographic forces have eroded long-held ideals about maintaining a strong, majority middle class.

Many analysts and policymakers regard the shift as worrisome for economic and social stability. Middle-income households have been the bedrock of consumer spending, and many liberals in particular view the declining middle as part of a troubling trend of skewed income gains among the nation's richest families.

Median-income voters, particularly non-college-educated men, are also at the core of billionaire Donald Trump's surprising surge in the Republican presidential campaign. His supporters' sense that their once-secure middle-class standing is in danger of slipping appears to be fueling much of the anger against the government and immigrant groups.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fi-middle-class-erosion-20151209-story.html

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Middle-class families, pillar of the American dream, are no longer in the majority, study finds (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 OP
And there it is. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #1
It's a 1 % dream coming true. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #2
In dire economic times people get worried rpannier Dec 2015 #3
Exactly! smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #22
this isn't what the reagan democrats thought they were getting for tax cuts & screwing the poor. pansypoo53219 Dec 2015 #4
this was the first thing that came to my mind too mdbl Dec 2015 #7
I was teen and I knew. blackspade Dec 2015 #10
But it becomes harder when swimming in a sea of propaganda and distractions AnnetteJacobs Dec 2015 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #21
If the middle class is NOT the majority then who is? Lodestar Dec 2015 #5
That would all depend on how middle class is defined. Quantess Dec 2015 #6
Their definition: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #14
There ISN'T a majority Maeve Dec 2015 #13
that is exactly what is happening restorefreedom Dec 2015 #16
The American Dream is dead Thank you Voodoo economics Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #8
Ohhh, all I need to do is come up with another $32,000.00 and I can be in the middle class? Nice. cstanleytech Dec 2015 #9
Are you in a 3 person household? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #19
Nope, sadly that's well above me. nt cstanleytech Dec 2015 #32
A picture is worth a thousand words. seabeckind Dec 2015 #11
"What a SURPRISE!", said no one ever . . . hatrack Dec 2015 #12
The trend's been clear since the '90s. Igel Dec 2015 #17
And destined to sink further with Trump.. ananda Dec 2015 #15
Holy Moley...!!!!!! MissMillie Dec 2015 #18
A middle class is not the norm The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #20
This is sadly true. Coventina Dec 2015 #24
An achievement is some ways The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #27
I believe it could have been sustained had we had different priorities. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #34
This can totally be fixed with some tax credits!!!!! jeff47 Dec 2015 #25
I used to be middle class. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #26
I lost my whole IRA. 840high Dec 2015 #29
You are not alone. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #30
Same here. Worked hard, saved, scrimpted and then 840high Dec 2015 #33
It means a Depression is coming and Capitalism is dying lovuian Dec 2015 #28
but the important thing is that the yuppies and the gentry have a McMansion MisterP Dec 2015 #31
Also, they NEED to have more bathrooms than bedrooms, laundry on every level, Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #35

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
3. In dire economic times people get worried
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:36 AM
Dec 2015

Extremes are often best at exploiting it depending on circumstances
The Bolsheviks rode economic chaos to power, as did the Nazi Party

People view the establishment with distrust and go looking for organizations that tell them what they think/want to hear

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Exactly!
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:09 AM
Dec 2015

This is why Trump is getting the support he is getting! People are feeling scared and insecure and along comes the right wing with a scapegoat and they latch on to it because it gives them something to direct their anger at. However the real source of our fear and insecurity is that we are getting majorly screwed over by the rich and powerful and feel helpless to do anything about it.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
7. this was the first thing that came to my mind too
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:20 AM
Dec 2015

What a load of crap those reagan supporters swallowed.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
10. I was teen and I knew.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:22 AM
Dec 2015

It only became more obvious.
Paying attention to the world around you isn't rocket science.

Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #4)

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
5. If the middle class is NOT the majority then who is?
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:14 AM
Dec 2015

I agree the middle class is disappearing, but they are still the
majority as far as numbers go. The 1% may have more economic
power but they don't have the numbers.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
6. That would all depend on how middle class is defined.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:52 AM
Dec 2015

When I look around, I'm seeing mostly people struggling to make ends meet.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,326 posts)
14. Their definition:
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:56 AM
Dec 2015
Pew defined middle class as households earning two-thirds to twice the overall median income, after adjusting for household size. A family of three, for example, would be considered middle income if its total annual income ranged from about $42,000 to $126,000.
...
A Gallup survey this spring showed that just 51% of U.S. adults considered themselves middle or upper middle class, with 48% saying they are part of the lower or working class. As recently as 2008, 63% of those polled by Gallup said they were middle class.

They think 120.8 million adults are now middle class, and 121.3 either 'lower' or 'upper' - and it looks as though that's divided about 69 million lower class, and 51 million upper.

Maeve

(42,285 posts)
13. There ISN'T a majority
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:46 AM
Dec 2015

There is a plurality, a group larger than others, but not a majority. We used to be a country of mostly middle class plus some rich and some poor (like a bell curve). We're moving toward a rich/poor split, with fewer in the middle.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
8. The American Dream is dead Thank you Voodoo economics
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:24 AM
Dec 2015

Pew defined middle class as households earning two-thirds to twice the overall median income, after adjusting for household size. A family of three, for example, would be considered middle income if its total annual income ranged from about $42,000 to $126,000. Pew analyzed data from the Census Bureau and the Labor Department, as well as the Federal Reserve

cstanleytech

(26,303 posts)
9. Ohhh, all I need to do is come up with another $32,000.00 and I can be in the middle class? Nice.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:18 AM
Dec 2015

Now what did I do with that printer *ponders*..........................kidding.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,326 posts)
19. Are you in a 3 person household?
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:29 AM
Dec 2015

Remember that the definition is about household income and takes size into account. For a single person household, the lower-to-middle threshold is $24,000.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/09/the-american-middle-class-is-losing-ground/

Igel

(35,323 posts)
17. The trend's been clear since the '90s.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:04 AM
Dec 2015

The middle's being hollowed out. More are moving from middle to upper than from middle to lower. Middle's still a plurality, though.

Most assume that "middle being hollowed out" means "middle class is becoming impoverished." That wasn't true when the NYC said it in text with a contradictory graphic a decade or more ago, still not true.

The reasons are straightforward and it's a secular change (meaning "occurring over a long term&quot . There are reasons for the bottom layer occupying a larger portion of the demographic pie, but nobody likes talking about them very much. Changes in family structure, who does well in high school and then goes on to graduate college, geography ... All sorts of things. (In historical linguistics this would be called a "conspiracy," a bunch of not necessarily related changes that appear telic.)

MissMillie

(38,568 posts)
18. Holy Moley...!!!!!!
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

REALLY???????? (/sarcasm)


Here's the thing... there are some that still believe in "trickle down."

The U.S. economy has, for quite some time, been driven by people being able to buy things.

How can you buy anything, when you're having a hard time paying for housing and food?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
27. An achievement is some ways
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:08 PM
Dec 2015

Right time, right place in other ways. Like most of life really. Find/see/stumble into an opportunity, take advantage of it. Eventually the variables involved change, since existence isn't static, and then life adapts, or doesn't, to the different environment.

Human society has many more abstract rules that we have to follow, which makes those adaptations more difficult. In some ways we have more options available to us to adapt, in another ways we have a much more narrow set of possibilities.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
34. I believe it could have been sustained had we had different priorities.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:00 PM
Dec 2015

Had we funded education, healthcare, and infrastructure instead of military contractors and had we not gutted taxes on the wealthy and had we not allowed Republicans to mostly kill the unions it would have been a much different story. We could have had a society where there was not such a massive disparity between the egregiously wealthy and everybody else.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
26. I used to be middle class.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

But now I think I am just plain old poor.

It doesn't bother me very much because all my friends are in the same boat. We all lost everything in the 2 stock market crashes and then the recession.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
30. You are not alone.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:39 PM
Dec 2015

I did everything right. I saved all that I could and invested it as wisely as I could. I should have been fine.

But shit happens.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
28. It means a Depression is coming and Capitalism is dying
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015

you need people with incomes to buy anything

America's economy has reverted to the days of the Robber Barons and monopolies
The Worker will rise up

which means a Great Depression is on it's way....and the economists know it

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
31. but the important thing is that the yuppies and the gentry have a McMansion
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

big enough for a gift-wrapping room!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
35. Also, they NEED to have more bathrooms than bedrooms, laundry on every level,
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:02 PM
Dec 2015

an outdoor kitchen, and a "mudroom" the size of a warehouse!

Otherwise ...

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