San Bernardino Shooting

[7962]

Source: CNN

(CNN)The San Bernardino Fire Department is responding to reports of a "20 victim shooting incident" in the city, the department said on Twitter.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

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Breaking right now, not much else

[jwirr]

1. Keep us up to date.

[7962]

2. Apparently happening at an assisted living facility. SWAT on scene

SWAT on scene, still ongoing

[thesquanderer]

3. Fox probably won't cover it until they know the color/religion of the shooter

so they know which set of memes to break out.

[7962]

12. Actually Fox is where it broke. I'm at Sears auto and they were on before CNN

Apparently 1-3 shooters with masks

[thesquanderer]

30. I meant that as a sarcastic commentary. ;-) (n/t)

[Tempest]

4. In Park Center area

Assisted living facility and other county government buildings, including Parks and Recreation are in that area.

[Tempest]

5. There's a PP clinic in the area. Police say they were not a target. n/t

[Tempest]

6. Los Angeles news updates link

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/02/authorities-responding-to-reports-of-mass-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california-nbc-los-angeles.html

[jwirr]

20. The assisted living facility is for developmentally disabled

persons like my daughter - my heart crashed when I read that. But just a little further down some one said the shooting is taking place next to that place.

This is horrible. And I don't care what excuse they give it has to stop.

I turned on MSNBC and CNN and neither of them have sound. Is it my tv or are the rest of you getting the same thing?

[shenmue]

7. Nooooooooo

[Tempest]

8. 1 to 3 suspects, at least 20 shot, no known fatalities. n/t

[villager]

10. Some Twitter reports saying 12 dead now, FYI

Again, we wait to see what can be "confirmed," other than America is a lunatic asylum in an irreparable nosedive

[LiberalArkie]

13. I don't think so yet, as all the ones seen are alive, none covered unless

they are in a building.

[Tempest]

20. S.B. Fire Department twitter currently says no fatalities. Updated 20 minutes ago. n/t

[villager]

26. Well *that* would be good, at least, if it holds.

n/t

[villager]

32. 12 Dead according to ABC, police looking for three white males...

...in military gear....

http://jezebel.com/at-least-12-dead-20-reportedly-wounded-in-san-bernadin-1745761238?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[Tempest]

36. Police are still saying no known fatalities. n/t

[jeff47]

27. Local news says 12 dead.

http://abc7.com/news/12-people-killed-in-active-shooter-situation-in-san-bernardino/1106844/

[Tempest]

29. SB PD says that report is not accurate. n/t

[lamp_shade]

9. KTLA Live coverage...

http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/

[PeaceNikki]

11. I just caught a suspect's name on the scanner.

:/

[mwrguy]

56. What was it? Dakota?

[PeaceNikki]

60. No, it was not.

[PeaceNikki]

14. Scanner indicates that witnesses say 3 shooters.

Cop said witnesses say they saw the whole thing and are 100% certain of this.

[7962]

15. Get ready for the "false flag' nuts; there was a training op going on nearby

They come out of the woodwork when ever they hear "training exercise"

[Agnosticsherbet]

16. It is at the Inland Regional Center, according to reports'

[Kelvin Mace]

17. Try to remember that 75% of what you hear

will be wrong.

[7962]

23. Yep, they keep saying that. Now going to detonate a "suspicious device"

[DesertRat]

18. NOT AGAIN

WTF is going on in our country?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

33. Nothing. This is just the new normal thanks to RWNJs.

[brooklynite]

19. Live feed (NBC)

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-nbc-special-report-on-shootings-in-san-bernardino-california-322484291648

[mitty14u2]

22. KNBC Live Authorities Respond to Active Shooter in San Bernardino; 20 Victims Reported

Live Authorities Respond to Active Shooter in San Bernardino; 20 Victims Reported


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Multiple-Victims-Reported-in-San-Bernardino-Shooting-360080371.html

[Tempest]

24. Shooters may have left the area in an SUV n/t

[Hissyspit]

25. Gawker: Cops are reportedly looking for "3 white males dressed in military gear"

[smirkymonkey]

93. 3 "Mentally Ill" White Males, that is.

[yeoman6987]

155. I think crow is on the menu.

[Tempest]

28. Victims being taken to Loma Linda medical center n/t

[SwankyXomb]

57. Loma Linda is just a few miles away

and is a world-class medical center.

[Ilsa]

31. NBC reported: no obvious motive like a Planned Pardnthood Clinic nearby.

I kid you not.
Then ten minutes later a different reporter, I think, says we're still trying to figure out the motive for last week's shooting.

Damn corporate media.

[restorefreedom]

39. interesting. shep smith said

there was a pp in the area, but he said that it is not necessarily connected

what does it mean when Fox has more unbiased coverage than the networks?

[7962]

84. I've never had issue listening to Smith. He's good at breaking stories.

As I've watched, he's said many times as he's reported new items, that "I cant stress this enough, this is not confirmed". Also instantly outlining the area involved on some huge map.
It also helps that the TV where i am is enormous!

[restorefreedom]

96. he will also say sometimes

we have to confirm a few things before we will share but we are working on more info and will hint at what it refers to.

seems to be a stickler for accuracy.

kinda surprised they keep him, he often says things that are contrary to the ailes doctrine

[wordpix]

123. federal bldg., my guess anti-fed RWnut, big NRA guys

yup. Keep whipping up the unstable gun nuts, repuke "leaders."

[RegexReader]

135. yep, descended from the Mayflower

[link:|

[wordpix]

148. I already amended myself downstream. Is this photo

one of the guys? Why would he attack that place?

[RegexReader]

172. Don't try to logically explain

the workings of an irrational mind. Didn't work with the Xwife. Doesn't work with the PP shooter. Won't work with those that kill in the name of Allah.

My suspicions are that this was a test run to see the response to an attack to refine future attack plans. Just like there was the Charlie Hebdo attack, then the Thalys train attack, and, finally, the Paris attack.

[Jefferson23]

34. On and on it goes...horrific. n/t

[ailsagirl]

184. Every damn day it seems to be happening now

There really are no words

[restorefreedom]

35. all three networks are covering

plus the three cables and cnbc

so far, shep on fox and lester on nbc having excellent coverage

yes, i watch fox for breaking. shep is excellent

[Tommy_Carcetti]

37. Must read for breaking news events

[JonLeibowitz]

61. #4 is right except with Dallas shootings in late November ;)

[LiberalElite]

38. God fucking damnit eom

[YoungDemCA]

40. POTUS being briefed

Jesus, this is horrible.

[Tab]

41. When?

When, when, when, when when is this shit going to stop???????

[Darb]

42. No sign of the gun fetishists yet. You know who you are......

get over here and defend your right to keep and hump arms.

[SwankyXomb]

59. They have to wait

for the NRA spin.

[Darb]

73. Being formulated now, please stand by.

exactly.

[wordpix]

124. you're correct and I bet that will be

"If the public has more guns, the safer we will be."

NRA is a gun and ammo sales group that has wrapped itself in the 2nd Amendment flag, forgetting that of US.

[Iggo]

79. They're busy.

[JonLeibowitz]

85. You mean these guys? See McDonald vs. City of Chicago

[restorefreedom]

43. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS???

anybody?

[villager]

46. Posting on gun forums from their basement about how great their Lord God Gun really is

Last edited Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:10 PM - Edit history (1)

n/t

[restorefreedom]

48. yup. or looking for more..... nt

[wordpix]

126. and playing computer shooting games - it all looks so exciting!

[YoungDemCA]

44. Reports of up to 3 shooters armed with rifles

According to KNX 1070.

Listen here: http://player.radio.com/listen/station/knx-1070-newsradio

[AtomicKitten]

45. Edited: "14+ dead" according to HuffPost.

Last edited Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:31 PM - Edit history (2)

[StrayKat]

47. Are there kids still in the facility?

https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/672147419660963840

Dad says daughter texted: "People shot. In the office waiting for cops. Pray for us. I am locked in an office." #SanBernardino

[YoungDemCA]

50. One of the victims' fathers is being interviewed right now

On KNX 1070.

He said there are "multiple" fatalities and injuries.

EDIT: I meant to reply to the OP, sorry.

[StrayKat]

91. No problem.

Someone from the sheriff's office just said that they are still searching the buildings, so there may be people still inside.

[Oneironaut]

49. Sounds a bit like ISIS

- Multiple shooters
- SUV escape
- Rifles

Of course, the first reports are wildly inaccurate.

[Marrah_G]

51. They don't know that it is multiple shooters

Often in these situations multiple shooters are falsely reported. It's only been going on for an hour, I am sure we will see more soon.

Not sure that this building would be a likely terrorist target.

[7962]

87. Still saying multiple suspects as of 415 EST. But none of this makes any sense.

At this point it doesnt look like this could be any white supremacists. Its not an abortion clinic or PP clinic. Its not a church/mosque/etc. Its not a single "crazed gunman".
It seems as though its NOT a lot of things.
Just what it ends up being, I have no idea

[TeddyR]

53. Yeah

3 gunmen doesn't sound a lot like anything I've seen in the US.

[Tempest]

86. Seriously?

Ruby Ridge and Waco doesn't ring a bell with you?

How about Columbine? Or Jonesboro?

[7962]

95. Ruby Ridge and Waco? Those were govt operations to arrest people.

Not attacks on civilians out in public.
Apples and Oranges

[7962]

117. What has that got to do with Ruby Ridge and Waco?

[Reter]

178. You can blame the government for Ruby Ridge and Waco

Especially RR.

[Tempest]

82. Police are looking for "three white males in military gear"

Sounds more like white supremacists.

[wordpix]

121. I way RWnut anti-federal felons. It was a fed bldg attacked

Recall Timothy McVeigh

[Oneironaut]

122. This doesn't have the mark of right-wing nutjobs

Sounds more like religious nut jobs - probably ISIS-inspired.

[wordpix]

150. yes, I've changed my mind to, I don't know but

I was reminded of Timothy McVeigh/OK City Fed. Bldg

[wordpix]

127. no way, this is a RWnut trio, antifederalist gun crazies

[jaycrewz]

52. Im so sick of this

Ive really considered moving to Canada over the past year because of so many of our nation's drawbacks. The healthcare system, the economy, the poor race relations, the homophobia, the wealth inequality, the jobs, and especially the violence.

I dont know what to feel anymore and Im sick of the violence. But I know Americans wont change the violent gun culture we live in. Britian, Canada, Australia, and other Western nations went through big reforms after some bad shootings. But America stay on its deadly path.

I dont think I can raise a future family here.

[exboyfil]

55. Canada has its own mass shootings

and remember it is roughly 1/10th the population of the U.S. Even scaled does not reach our level though.


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/12/30/10_of_the_worst_mass_murders_in_canada.html

[MosheFeingold]

62. Canada had that guy who fed

Rape victims to pigs and then sold the pig meat to schools. Apparently among the largest vendors.

That was pretty recently, too.

[jaycrewz]

143. Just stop

Per capita Canada is MUCH safer than the USA and has MUCH less gun crime and mass shootings.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

58. Are there any restrictions on moving to Canada?

Can you just move there and start reaping the benefits? Or do you need to have a job or something for some pariod, or pass a test, before you are eligible for health care etc?

Do you need to know French?

[MosheFeingold]

64. Have to know all the types

of maple syrup and how they are used.

[KamaAina]

98. And lots aboot hockey, eh?

[wordpix]

130. you need to be good in the cold/dark, to get oot and aboot

If you don't ski, skate, snowshoe etc. and dress for the weather, you'll be miserable.

I didn't mind Canada when I was young. I lived there 5 yrs. in my 30's. Too old for the cold now.

[jeff47]

70. Yes, there are restrictions.

Way oversimplifying: you have to be young or very well paid or otherwise special (ex. famous scientist).

Canada has to get something out of you moving there. Young means they get decades of taxes. Well paid mean lots of taxes over a shorter timeframe. Something like being a famous scientist means they benefit from you training their scientists.

[enid602]

120. famous scientist

Providing, of course that you don't study or write about anything having to do with glibal warming or tar sands.

[adigal]

164. Or dumping raw sewage into the St. Lawrence River nt

[enid602]

177. Justin

But you have to admit that Justin does have a nice tattoo. New shade of lipstick, same old pig.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

129. Young, well-paid, otherwise special?

Oh, well, I'll just have to settle for an occasional visit to Canada.

I am zero for three.

[jaycrewz]

145. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp

You apply to their immigration department and get points added up based on age, education, language skills, career, job experience, etc. Its not super easy or anything. You get a work visa and then have to wait some time, then you can take the citizenship test.

I didnt look into benefits and all that yet.

[TexasBushwhacker]

176. You don't need French unless you move to Quebec

But it is pretty restrictive.

[ailsagirl]

183. This may be helpful

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/move-us-canada-63923.html

I know the feeling of wanting to move there myself!!!

[47of74]

69. Take me with you

[MosheFeingold]

54. Suspect name: Said Farouk (according to news twitter) n/t

Not sure why they'd hit a center for the disabled. Perhaps because they are the softest of soft targets.

I guess next will be nurseries and retirement homes.

[PeaceNikki]

63. They spelled it "Syed" on scanner.

[MosheFeingold]

66. Spelling

Is not my strong point, let alone from another language. Looks like you can spell it however you want in English, though:

Sayyid (also spelled "Seyd", "Syed", "Sayed", "Sayyed", "Saiyid", "Seyed" and "Seyyed&quot (pronounced [ˈsæjjɪd], or [ˈsæjjed], Arabic: سيد?; meaning Mister) (plural Sadah Arabic: سادة?, Sāda(h)) is an honorific title denoting males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, sons of Muhammad's daughter Fatimah and his son-in-law Ali (Ali ibn Abi Talib).

[Alameda]

71. can also mean happy

سعيد said

[YoungDemCA]

65. Now I'm hearing 3 suspects who had tactical military gear and camouflage

Now an expert on domestic terrorism is saying that "it's unlikely" that "these were laymen who decided to pick up guns and shoot people."

Saying that "it looks like it was well-planned and coordinated".

[MosheFeingold]

68. Concur

Three guys =

Not crazy (they can't get along to do it)
Not disgruntled worker (never three that pissed and crazy)
Not a pissed spouse

It means:

Terrorists

What brand of terrorists (left wing nut, right-wing nut, Islamist, or perchance some other random religion) is normally a matter of speculation, but given I've seen the name of a suspect with an obvious Muslim name about 10 times now, I'm not going to be PC about it.

[flamingdem]

67. They attacked people in wheelchairs at the Bataclan

not sure if it's because they are easy targets or to create more horror.

[MosheFeingold]

72. You're right of course

True. You just reminded me of the Achille Lauro attack where they pushed Leon Klinghoffer, wheelchair and all, into the ocean.

The man who did that, Youssef Majed al-Molqi, lives in Syria, last I heard.

[wordpix]

158. don't know about this - I'll have to read up

[wordpix]

132. Nazis did the same. Didn't like the infirm in mind or body, killed them

OTOH, it's a federal bldg. so maybe that's why it was targeted.

[rocktivity]

76. Plant nurseries?

rocktivity

[IcyPeas]

78. how would they know a suspects name already????

[Marrah_G]

92. They don't - its just a lead someone called in or told to police

There will be lots of those. Remember the Marathon bombing and the different people reported to be the suspects? it takes a bit of time to figure out who the perps are.

[PeaceNikki]

113. It was a name given by an eyewitness to the police and broadcast on scanner.

[MosheFeingold]

101. I would assume

the suspect worked there.

[magical thyme]

111. I'm thinking so too. They knew there would be a gathering, when and where.

But 3 of them?

[MosheFeingold]

128. Ah, you use a scout

This is a pretty common MO. Send guys to go work at various places to see the weaknesses, etc.

[wordpix]

134. maybe all or 2/3 are disgruntled employees

they would find each other at a facility like that if they worked there, and hatched the plot there, maybe.

[MosheFeingold]

141. Nah

Disgruntled employees are loners. No way you could talk 2 buddies into something like this.

There were also pipe bombs, which indicates a lot of planning and not a crime of passion.

[wordpix]

144. all you'd need are 2 employees & a stooge

who will drive the getaway car for $.

[MosheFeingold]

147. 3 shooters, though

With bodyarmor, positioned getaway cars to swap in, etc.

This was very professional.

Aside from wingnuts (unlikely because of ethnic shooters seen dead on street) the only logical choice outside of Islamists would be some sort of Mexico cartel or gang thing, which wouldn't surprise me in that town. It's rough.

The "Sayeed" name is all over the foreign press.

[wordpix]

152. why would a Mex cartel shoot up that place?

Just b/c it's a federal bldg. and the cartel wants to send a message to the USA? Doesn't make sense.

[MosheFeingold]

154. I agree it's unlikely

But there could be a witness there, or someone was running drugs through there, or whatnot.

It's looking more-and-more that the early indication that this was ISIS is correct, to me.

They like to hit targets like this for pure shock/evil value. Remember their goal is to cause an invasion of the Levant by all the countries of the world, where they will be saved by the Iman who appears magically from the well (or something equally stupid).

[wordpix]

156. you could be right, but other ideas here are plausible

The Said name is leaning me in your direction, though. Sad, this is what the Nazis did. Loved to create mayhem and death by preying on the helpless. That was "fun" for those evil people. George Bush really unleashed an ugly thing by invading Iraq.

[Brickbat]

107. It came from some of the witnesses.

[KamaAina]

100. At the presser, they're saying they don't have names of any suspects.

[MosheFeingold]

102. Those pressers are useless

Listen to the scanner.

[wordpix]

131. I'm completely off base then. I thought RWnut

[MosheFeingold]

133. It's early yet

There was a massive shoot out on the street (fleeing suspects started shooting out the back window at cops).

The vehicle looked to me like a gang-banger mobile and the occupants Hispanic.

Of course, being San Bernadeno (sp?), it could just be drug dealers who picked the exactly wrong day to run from cops.

[wordpix]

146. hope it's not the last

[longship]

74. Apparently a devopment disabled facility.

In a dark evil fascist past, they were called "useless eaters". Apparently we have come to that same thing.

[rocktivity]

75. Police scanner feed

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

They've got a possible ID of an suspect, and there's been a sighting of two males removing black clothing by a bridge!


rocktivity

[Marrah_G]

77. I heard something about shots fired in another location

[MeNMyVolt]

80. Heard that too.

Sounds of shots fired near a hospital. Nothing since then. They're dispersing the radio traffic on different scanner channels now.

[Tempest]

81. Police confirming 3 dead. n/t

[mitty14u2]

83. Police Confirm 12 Dead Looking for Black SUV GMC Yukon

Police Confirm 12 Dead Looking for Black SUV GMC Yukon

[brooklynite]

88. Dispatcher reporting possible armed person at nearby mall...

[MeNMyVolt]

90. Sounds like several units responding.

They have like 10 scanner channels for the SBPD, so it's hard to follow everything.

[Tempest]

89. 355 mass shootings in US this year, 2 of them today

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/latest-mass-shooting-unfolds-southern-california?cid=sm_fb_maddow

[7962]

94. Reports now of finding an abandoned black SUV(nope, false lead now)

But nothing else yet.
Gotta be a LOT of cameras in this area that need to be looked at

[kath]

97. Another one of these situations where the so-called "news" people feel that they have to give "live

Continuous coverage" for hours on end while they blather on and on saying things like "we don't know details yet" but they have to go on and on blathering speculative bullshit., or worse yet saying shit that turns out to be freaking WRONG.

ARGGH.

[Marrah_G]

99. Per press conference 14 dead, 14 wounded

[ellenrr]

104. I can't take this anymore.

[wordpix]

136. the evil are among us but we have to stand up

I have in my lifetime. Still am. You can't lay down and give up.

[elias49]

105. F*** anger. F*** hate.

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

[Dewgong]

106. The United States is a war zone

How else could one describe the state of the country?
We're at war, all of us, every day. This could happen in your town or city next. It could happen within the hour.
Angry _____* vs. everyone else. They "want their country back," by any means necessary.

*I'll fill that in when it's revealed that the terrorists are white republican males

[tabasco]

109. It's just the "well-regulated militia"

the forgotten part of the Second Amendment.

[MeNMyVolt]

112. +1

Never understood it.

[wordpix]

140. gun nuts love to call themselves "militia" but they fail on "well-regulated"

Maybe someone should take them to court over that.

[wordpix]

138. my first thought, too. But it's never been an easy country

to found, govern or even survive in. I came of age during Vietnam and that was a time when war raged in the US. The draft was the catalyst that we don't have now, and changed the whole country. After that people became complacent with our new devices and somehow didn't mind the industrial food/petrochemicals/MIC/loopholes in gun laws. All I can say is, our education system sucks if more people don't demand change.

[Hepburn]

108. Watching on local LA news

This is awful...

[senz]

110. So far, it looks like an anti-government action,

which is what the Oklahoma City bombing was.

The San Bernardino site (Inland Regional Center) is a government office (probably state or county) and the clientele (disabled adults) and activity (office party) would make it a very easy target.

If it's anti-government, it's most likely rightwing perps.

[FreeState]

119. They service kids too (autism)

Regional centers are nonprofit private corporations that contract with the Department of Developmental Services to provide or coordinate services and supports for individuals with developmental disabilities. They have offices throughout California to provide a local resource to help find and access the many services available to individuals and their families.

There is an autism service priced in that building.

[senz]

151. Thanks, FreeState.

Lots of good information there. While there very well may be children associated with the services, a diagnosis of autism does not necessarily imply a child. When autistic children grow up, most do not lose their autism.

[FreeState]

153. Correct, I speak from knowledge they service children there

I work in the industry.

https://mobile.twitter.com/InlandRegional?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Good article on what the Center does: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/san-bernardino-shooting-what-inland-regional-center-n473016

"The facility is run by the state, and offers specific programs designed for four different age groups: 0 to 3-years-old; 3 to 15; 16 to 22; 23 to 59; and adults over 60."

[magical thyme]

114. just heard something about "we've got bomb threats at both" on the scanner...

[Marrah_G]

115. They are chasing an SUV with Utah plates

Shots fired at the cops through vehicle back window, unknown if it is related.

This is via scanner.

[Marrah_G]

116. San Bernadino ave, multiple mobile shots fired

Request for bearcat and Medical. Can hear gunfire . San Bernadino and Seddin (sp)? Lots of what sounds like automatic weapon fire.

One down outside car, one in car possible down.

[7962]

118. Looks like 3 down now, likely dead, none of them officers.

[Tempest]

137. One officer shot, one suspect dead, one suspect wounded, third suspect gave himself up. n/t

[wordpix]

142. Another season of reality show, "Shootings USA"

[JesterCS]

162. Uh dunno what you're watching

But live streams differ from you, saying they're looking for some of the suspects that fled into a neighborhood. Tons of police with k9s.

[Tempest]

167. ABC news. They had live video of the scene where the SUV was stopped. n/t

[Tempest]

170. SB PD Chief: Suspects are down

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html

Posted at 7:15pm EST

[muriel_volestrangler]

125. Police chief confirms the county group meeting was targeted

Rick Serrano
?@RickSerranoLAT

caiif mass shooting: police chief confirms the county group meeting was targeted, not the health center.

https://twitter.com/RickSerranoLAT/status/672176189470019584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The attack took place in a conference area where the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health was renting space to hold a banquet, said Marybeth Feild, president and CEO of the center. She said the building houses at least 25 employees as well as a library and conference center.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/The-Latest-California-police-respond-to-shooter-report-360089471.html

[displacedtexan]

139. ABC 7 says 14 dead, 17 wounded.

Truly heavy sigh.

[AngryAmish]

149. Have they named the Teabaggers who did this yet?

[7962]

157. Well, the latest now is one Hispanic. Guess he still could be one though

[wordpix]

160. Tbags have propaganda that attracts the ignorant/unstable/violent

could be any color or creed, but preference is Xtian fundie.

[Elmergantry]

165. Based on recent events,

I am betting on muslim terrorists

[Tempest]

169. Based on recent events, it's most likely deranged white guys. n/t

[Elmergantry]

171. And depending on the result

We can either trash:

All people men who believe in the 2nd amendment

Or all people who believe in Islam.

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159. my first thought

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173. They've got names

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The second was Farooq Saeed. Nationality not yet released.
The woman killed in the SUV has yet to be ID'd.

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174. Not exactly fitting your narrative. nt

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179. Too quick to judge

Wasn't a RWer.

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181. Yeah, hes appears to be islamic.

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161. NBC news already trying to

Push the "not terrorism"shtick. Sayin it's workplace related violence. It's terrorism plain and simple.

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166. It's never terrorism when it's white Christians doing the shooting nt

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175. Farooq Sayeed. nt

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180. How about now that they aren't white Christians?

Did they change their tune?

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186. Let's think....yup, I'm sure they will. It will be Islamic terrorism. Never just a pissed off guy

with too many weapons.

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182. Yup, when I think of white Christians, Farooq Sayeed is the first name I think of.

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185. It sure will be terrorism now!!! Even though Sayeed was an American citizen. nt

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168. Yeah this whole "a guy left mad" is a bit weak.

Unless the plan all along was for the guy to act mad and leave.
This was obviously planned in advance, whoever they are/were

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163. Police saying possible explosives around

And swat has a church surrounded. Nothing else yet