Turkey shot down Russian warplane to protect IS oil trade: Putin
Source: AFP
Le Bourget (France) (AFP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday accused Ankara of shooting down a Russian warplane to protect supplies of oil from the Islamic State group to Turkey.
"We have every reason to think that the decision to shoot down our plane was dictated by the desire to protect the oil supply lines to Turkish territory," Putin said during a news conference on the fringes of UN climate talks near Paris.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-shot-down-russian-warplane-protect-oil-trade-185109983.html;_ylt=A0LEVvxxnFxW5EsAGABjmolQ
newfie11
(8,159 posts)2naSalit
(86,630 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It's as plain as.
lark
(23,102 posts)Turkey is keeping Daesh alive and so prolonging war and there's nothing the Repugs love more than their war machines and war profits.
Oneironaut
(5,495 posts)Can we kick them out of NATO now?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Turkey forced Russian pilot to train and fly incompetently to protect Turkey's oil trade.
Were this the only inaccurate overflight made by Russia over Turkey in the past ten days, we could vadidly infer a mistake. At this point, it's (at best) incompetence.
former9thward
(32,009 posts)The pilots landed in Syria. Inconvenient fact.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)they were warned numerous times to change course, the Falcon only fired after the Fencer crossed the border, the AA missile pursued the bomber back across into Syria where it struck it.
AA missiles aren't known for stopping at national borders.
BTW, Russian aircraft have violated the Turkish border numerous times since they arrived in Syria and started combat ops.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)"There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home". Now where are those darn ruby slippers?
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)Doesn't that mean anything?
MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)Ankara (AFP) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday said he would be ready to quit office if allegations by Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin that Turkey traded oil with Islamic State (IS) jihadists were proven.
"I will say something very strong here. If such a thing is proven, the nobility of our nation would require that I would not stay in office," Erdogan was quoted by the state-run Anatolia news agency as saying on the sidelines of the UN climate talks near Paris, which Putin is also attending.
Challenging Putin, who has refused to meet the Turkish leader after the shooting down of a Russian military jet, Erdogan added: "And I tell Mr Putin 'would you stay in that office?' I say this clearly."
Putin earlier Monday accused Ankara of shooting down the Russian Su-24 warplane last week to protect supplies of oil from the Islamic State group to Turkey, charges Turkey vehemently denies.
http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says-resign-putin-oil-trade-claims-proven-222449189.html;_ylt=A0LEVj54zVxWjrEArcpjmolQ
pampango
(24,692 posts)If US planes were bombing Assad's forces and they shot one down, I doubt Obama would claim it was to protect Assad's IS oil trade.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)So, if Putin said it, it's most probably a lie. Besides, it seems extremely unlikely that Turkey would buy oil from IS.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Erdogan is not a good player here and is Putins mirror.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)It doesn't imply any complicity of the Turkish government, which is what the OP is about.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Im on my phone so it's difficult to post but this isn't a secret
Plausible deniability because it runs through a Kurdish middleman isn't persuasive.
They shot down the Russian plane because they were bombing the smuggling routes. Turkey unilaterally extended their airspace five miles into Syria in order to protect these smuggling routes. Russia was determined to bomb them out of existence.
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Nihil
(13,508 posts)When the dictator's son is directly profiting from such "smuggling" and the
ISIS oil is being sold in Turkey, there is more than enough "complicity" to
go around.
Turkey is supporting ISIS.
They should be kicked out of NATO before they do something even more stupid
than shooting down a plane that spent mere seconds in Turkish airspace.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I've learnt the hard way that they might be untrue...
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> Sorry, I don't do rumours.
> I've learnt the hard way that they might be untrue...
"Mission Accomplished"
"45 minutes"
"mobile chemical labs"
"I did not have sex with that woman"
"Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds, says US Treasury"
(Financial Times, October 23, 2014)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/6c269c4e-5ace-11e4-b449-00144feab7de,Authorised=false.html?siteedition=uk&_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F6c269c4e-5ace-11e4-b449-00144feab7de.html%3Fsiteedition%3Duk&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independentsentinel.com%2F83798ca8c21ea939c7d529adbb090298&classification=conditional_standard&iab=barrier-app#axzz3skKhMxAh
"The Obama administration is struggling to cut off the millions of dollars
in oil revenue that has made the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria one of
the wealthiest terror groups in history, but so far has been unable to
persuade Turkey, the NATO ally where much of the oil is traded on the
black market, to crack down on an extensive sales network."
(New York Times, September 13, 2014)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/world/middleeast/struggling-to-starve-isis-of-oil-revenue-us-seeks-assistance-from-turkey.html?_r=0
"When US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in
eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.
The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned
to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for
oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper
echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey.
From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil
from Syrias eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered.
Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues and
Turkish buyers were its main clients."
"In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared
alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the
intelligence gathered at the slain leaders compound said that direct
dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now
undeniable.
There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,
the official told the Observer. They are being analysed at the moment,
but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound
policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.
(Guardian, July 26 2015)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/isis-syria-turkey-us?CMP=share_btn_tw
"A former member of ISIS has revealed the extent to which the cooperation of
the Turkish military allows the terrorist group, who now control large parts
of Iraq and Syria, to travel through Turkish territory to reinforce fighters
battling Kurdish forces."
(Newsweek, November 7 2014)
http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-and-turkey-cooperate-destroy-kurds-former-isis-member-reveals-turkish-282920
You will note that I have omitted any of the recent accusations by the Russians
or counter-accusations by the Turks. This stuff - Turkey's support & sympathy
for ISIS - has been an open secret for years.
I know: "They did not buy that oil: they merely enabled the transport of it
to market and took an appropriate commission. Therefore they are innocent
of any implications arising from all those nasty coincidences."
How well I remember that terrible day
When our blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell that we called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs to the slaughter
Johnny Turk he was waiting. He'd primed himself well
He showered us with bullets and rained us with shell
And in ten minutes flat he'd blown us straight to Hell
Nearly Blew us right back to Australia
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we stopped to bury the slain
We buried ours and the Turks buried theirs
Then we started all over again
- Eric Bogle