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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:29 PM Nov 2015

Turkey shot down Russian warplane to protect IS oil trade: Putin

Source: AFP

Le Bourget (France) (AFP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday accused Ankara of shooting down a Russian warplane to protect supplies of oil from the Islamic State group to Turkey.

"We have every reason to think that the decision to shoot down our plane was dictated by the desire to protect the oil supply lines to Turkish territory," Putin said during a news conference on the fringes of UN climate talks near Paris.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-shot-down-russian-warplane-protect-oil-trade-185109983.html;_ylt=A0LEVvxxnFxW5EsAGABjmolQ

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Turkey shot down Russian warplane to protect IS oil trade: Putin (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 OP
Nothing would surprise me nt newfie11 Nov 2015 #1
This is rare but I tend to agree. nt 2naSalit Nov 2015 #2
I agree. 840high Nov 2015 #3
The nose on your face . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #4
No wonder the Repugs love Turkey all of a sudden. lark Nov 2015 #5
This was fairly evident from day one. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #6
Turkey forced Russian pilot to train and fly incompetently to protect Turkey's oil trade. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #7
There is no evidence the plane flew over Turkey. former9thward Nov 2015 #12
The SU-24 Fencer most certainly did violate Turkish airspace, GGJohn Nov 2015 #17
How many times does he have make the claim to validate it? bluedigger Nov 2015 #8
But Bushie looked into his soul Blandocyte Nov 2015 #9
Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #10
The fact that Russian planes had been bombing ethnic Turkmen in Syria had nothing to do with it. pampango Nov 2015 #11
Putin hasn't uttered a true sentence since he became president. Little Tich Nov 2015 #13
Turkey is buying ISIS' oil and are helping and protecting them riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #14
That article is about oil being smuggled into Turkey. Little Tich Nov 2015 #15
The oil is being sold to Turkey riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #23
It's being done by Erdogan's SON! Nihil Dec 2015 #18
Sorry, I don't do rumours. Little Tich Dec 2015 #19
So can the "official" story ... Nihil Dec 2015 #20
Gallipoli oioioi Dec 2015 #21
Nice complilation! nt Aria36 Dec 2015 #22

lark

(23,102 posts)
5. No wonder the Repugs love Turkey all of a sudden.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:45 PM
Nov 2015

Turkey is keeping Daesh alive and so prolonging war and there's nothing the Repugs love more than their war machines and war profits.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. Turkey forced Russian pilot to train and fly incompetently to protect Turkey's oil trade.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

Turkey forced Russian pilot to train and fly incompetently to protect Turkey's oil trade.

Were this the only inaccurate overflight made by Russia over Turkey in the past ten days, we could vadidly infer a mistake. At this point, it's (at best) incompetence.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
17. The SU-24 Fencer most certainly did violate Turkish airspace,
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:00 PM
Nov 2015

they were warned numerous times to change course, the Falcon only fired after the Fencer crossed the border, the AA missile pursued the bomber back across into Syria where it struck it.

AA missiles aren't known for stopping at national borders.

BTW, Russian aircraft have violated the Turkish border numerous times since they arrived in Syria and started combat ops.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
8. How many times does he have make the claim to validate it?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:51 PM
Nov 2015

"There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home". Now where are those darn ruby slippers?

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
10. Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:33 PM
Nov 2015
Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven

Ankara (AFP) - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday said he would be ready to quit office if allegations by Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin that Turkey traded oil with Islamic State (IS) jihadists were proven.

"I will say something very strong here. If such a thing is proven, the nobility of our nation would require that I would not stay in office," Erdogan was quoted by the state-run Anatolia news agency as saying on the sidelines of the UN climate talks near Paris, which Putin is also attending.

Challenging Putin, who has refused to meet the Turkish leader after the shooting down of a Russian military jet, Erdogan added: "And I tell Mr Putin 'would you stay in that office?' I say this clearly."

Putin earlier Monday accused Ankara of shooting down the Russian Su-24 warplane last week to protect supplies of oil from the Islamic State group to Turkey, charges Turkey vehemently denies.

http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says-resign-putin-oil-trade-claims-proven-222449189.html;_ylt=A0LEVj54zVxWjrEArcpjmolQ

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. The fact that Russian planes had been bombing ethnic Turkmen in Syria had nothing to do with it.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

If US planes were bombing Assad's forces and they shot one down, I doubt Obama would claim it was to protect Assad's IS oil trade.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
13. Putin hasn't uttered a true sentence since he became president.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:37 PM
Nov 2015

So, if Putin said it, it's most probably a lie. Besides, it seems extremely unlikely that Turkey would buy oil from IS.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
15. That article is about oil being smuggled into Turkey.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:38 PM
Nov 2015

It doesn't imply any complicity of the Turkish government, which is what the OP is about.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
16. The oil is being sold to Turkey
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:50 PM
Nov 2015

Im on my phone so it's difficult to post but this isn't a secret

The self-proclaimed Islamic caliphate sold oil to Kurdish traders at a major discount. From Kurdistan, the oil was resold to Turkish and Iranian traders. These profits helped Isis pay its burgeoning wages bill: $500 (£320) a month for a fighter, and about $1,200 for a military commander.


Plausible deniability because it runs through a Kurdish middleman isn't persuasive.

They shot down the Russian plane because they were bombing the smuggling routes. Turkey unilaterally extended their airspace five miles into Syria in order to protect these smuggling routes. Russia was determined to bomb them out of existence.

Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #16)

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
18. It's being done by Erdogan's SON!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:55 AM
Dec 2015

When the dictator's son is directly profiting from such "smuggling" and the
ISIS oil is being sold in Turkey, there is more than enough "complicity" to
go around.

Turkey is supporting ISIS.

They should be kicked out of NATO before they do something even more stupid
than shooting down a plane that spent mere seconds in Turkish airspace.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
20. So can the "official" story ...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:09 AM
Dec 2015

> Sorry, I don't do rumours.
> I've learnt the hard way that they might be untrue...

"Mission Accomplished"
"45 minutes"
"mobile chemical labs"
"I did not have sex with that woman"




"Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds, says US Treasury"
(Financial Times, October 23, 2014)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/6c269c4e-5ace-11e4-b449-00144feab7de,Authorised=false.html?siteedition=uk&_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F6c269c4e-5ace-11e4-b449-00144feab7de.html%3Fsiteedition%3Duk&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independentsentinel.com%2F83798ca8c21ea939c7d529adbb090298&classification=conditional_standard&iab=barrier-app#axzz3skKhMxAh


"The Obama administration is struggling to cut off the millions of dollars
in oil revenue
that has made the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria one of
the wealthiest terror groups in history, but so far has been unable to
persuade Turkey, the NATO ally where much of the oil is traded on the
black market, to crack down on an extensive sales network.
"
(New York Times, September 13, 2014)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/world/middleeast/struggling-to-starve-isis-of-oil-revenue-us-seeks-assistance-from-turkey.html?_r=0


"When US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in
eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.
The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned
to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for
oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf.
He was almost unheard of outside the upper
echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey.
From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil
from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered.
Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and
Turkish buyers were its main clients.
"
"In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared
alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the
intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct
dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now
“undeniable”.

There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,”
the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment,
but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound
policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”
(Guardian, July 26 2015)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/isis-syria-turkey-us?CMP=share_btn_tw


"A former member of ISIS has revealed the extent to which the cooperation of
the Turkish military allows the terrorist group, who now control large parts
of Iraq and Syria, to travel through Turkish territory to reinforce fighters
battling Kurdish forces."
(Newsweek, November 7 2014)
http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-and-turkey-cooperate-destroy-kurds-former-isis-member-reveals-turkish-282920


You will note that I have omitted any of the recent accusations by the Russians
or counter-accusations by the Turks. This stuff - Turkey's support & sympathy
for ISIS - has been an open secret for years.


I know: "They did not buy that oil: they merely enabled the transport of it
to market and took an appropriate commission. Therefore they are innocent
of any implications arising from all those nasty coincidences."


oioioi

(1,127 posts)
21. Gallipoli
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:40 AM
Dec 2015

How well I remember that terrible day
When our blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell that we called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs to the slaughter

Johnny Turk he was waiting. He'd primed himself well
He showered us with bullets and rained us with shell
And in ten minutes flat he'd blown us straight to Hell
Nearly Blew us right back to Australia

And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we stopped to bury the slain
We buried ours and the Turks buried theirs
Then we started all over again

- Eric Bogle

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