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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 01:54 PM Nov 2015

New Navy destroyer’s seaworthiness questioned

Source: Portland Press Herald

BATH — The largest destroyer built for the U.S. Navy cuts an imposing figure: massive, with an angular shape, hidden weapons and antennas, and electric-drive propulsion. But underneath the stealthy exterior resides a style of hull that fell out of favor a century ago in part because it can be unstable.

The Navy will soon learn how this modern take on the “tumblehome” hull holds up when the first-in-class Zumwalt heads out to sea in December for builder trials in the rough-and-tumble North Atlantic.

Amy Lent, of the Maine Maritime Museum, which works closely with the shipyard, said taxpayers needn’t worry because the Navy and shipbuilder Bath Iron Works have “tested the hell out of it.”

“This is an enormous investment. There’s so much at stake. They’re not slapping something together and sending it out to sea,” she said. “I think they’re pretty confident. They know what they’re doing.”

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Read more: http://www.pressherald.com/2015/11/29/new-navy-destroyers-seaworthiness-questioned/



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New Navy destroyer’s seaworthiness questioned (Original Post) jpak Nov 2015 OP
I'm sure it's already served its purpose--to make rich people richer. nt valerief Nov 2015 #1
Well, it DID employ a lot of folks at Bath Iron Works 7962 Nov 2015 #8
+$2.2 Trillion. Oh, I meant +1 TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #10
A trillion here, a trillion there, what's a trillion or two between cronies? marble falls Nov 2015 #12
Looks like a Civil War ironclad. Hoyt Nov 2015 #2
It is probably unsurvivable due to its lack of Standard Missiles and hardware jpak Nov 2015 #3
With our modern air force, long range missles, drones, etc., I don't see a lot of use for the navy, Hoyt Nov 2015 #4
Aren't their similar issues to the LCS ships too? PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #6
Yes - they are basically worthless jpak Nov 2015 #7
I heard they are basically turning future LCS into what would be frigates PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #16
...! Yep...does seem that way these days..n/t KoKo Nov 2015 #20
She is built gladium et scutum Nov 2015 #11
She's Big and the Hull may not take the North Seas.... KoKo Nov 2015 #19
I would expect gladium et scutum Nov 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #5
Veterans For Peace . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #9
Featuring the new, modern, sleek design NV Whino Nov 2015 #13
Yeah, trust 'em! lastlib Nov 2015 #14
They fail to give the Zumwalt's Captain his due. bluedigger Nov 2015 #15
Interesting...they said that about the hull of the Titanic, also. KoKo Nov 2015 #17
Well if Amy says, we've got nothing to worry about then. YOHABLO Nov 2015 #18
BIW didn't build the Titanic though Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #23
Wiki link and video Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #22

jpak

(41,758 posts)
3. It is probably unsurvivable due to its lack of Standard Missiles and hardware
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

It has Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles - but these are short range and can't really deal with modern Russian and Chinese cruise/ballistic anti-ship missiles.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. With our modern air force, long range missles, drones, etc., I don't see a lot of use for the navy,
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

except to park offshore in a show of force (if one's country is into that junk).

This one looks like a sitting duck to me. I guess if one is into wars and stuff, submarines might be useful and aircraft carriers too if you don't have air bases all over the world, which we do.

The sad fact, a lot of our best paying jobs are in the arms industry.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
16. I heard they are basically turning future LCS into what would be frigates
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:17 PM
Nov 2015

It just seems weird that they didn't do that from the start. It seems like almost every major defense project has something weird with it. I fully understand and support the development of defense projects, but it seems like everything has less to do with defense and more to do with money. :/

gladium et scutum

(808 posts)
11. She is built
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

with 80 vertical launch cells. These cells will carry RIM-66 Standard II missiles, RIM-162 Sea Sparrow missiles, BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles, and RUM-139 ASROC missiles. The exact mix of missiles may depend on mission assignment. She also carries 2 155mm guns. She is as survivable as any current Navy surface warship. That is if, the many advanced systems aboard here work as intended.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
19. She's Big and the Hull may not take the North Seas....
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:21 PM
Nov 2015

Its a definite concern....for so much taxpayer money spent on it. And, the expectations.

Response to jpak (Original post)

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
9. Veterans For Peace . .
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

is not amused.

And it is unfortunate that so many people associated with
maritime museums seem to be militarists.

Veterans For Peace pays for its navy without
soaking the tax-payers.

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
14. Yeah, trust 'em!
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015
“This is an enormous investment. There’s so much at stake. They’re not slapping something together and sending it out to sea,” she said. “I think they’re pretty confident. They know what they’re doing.”





Sure, this ship is going to serve its purpose--making a lot of MICers much wealthier!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. Interesting...they said that about the hull of the Titanic, also.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

From the article:

The Navy will soon learn how this modern take on the “tumblehome” hull holds up when the first-in-class Zumwalt heads out to sea in December for builder trials in the rough-and-tumble North Atlantic.

Amy Lent, of the Maine Maritime Museum, which works closely with the shipyard, said taxpayers needn’t worry because the Navy and shipbuilder Bath Iron Works have “tested the hell out of it.”

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
23. BIW didn't build the Titanic though
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:47 AM
Nov 2015

BIW has been building ships for the Navy for over a century now, if that counts for anything.

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