Bullish Generals' Message To Cameron: We Can Smash ISIS iN 14 Days

[big_dog]

Source: The London Express 00:07 GMT Sun, Nov 22, 2015

Army commanders have made it clear to David Cameron in the wake of the Paris terror attacks that decisive action could rid the world of the evil Islamic cult.

Military commanders are also urging greater use of British officers to train local Kurdish fighters and have a firmer hand in tactics. Last night it emerged senior generals are preparing for the possibility.

“Discussions are now under way here towards the deployment of troops,” said one UN security expert last night, adding that it would have been easier if action had been taken 15 months ago.
It is part of a raft of advice being given to David Cameron by both military and foreign office mandarins as he prepares for next week’s “full spectrum” report of British options to rid the world of the evil death cult.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621154/Islamic-State-British-generals-14-days-David-Cameron-terror

[TDale313]

1. Weren't similar optimistic cases made...

About going into Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11?

[peacebird]

5. Yes, and it was said the war would be paid for with oil profits.......

[cstanleytech]

9. Yes and the region was far more stable before the invasion but on the other hand sitting back

back and doing nothing wont make these people stop behaving like a bag of dicks, they understand one thing and only one thing and it isnt an olive branch sadly.

[William Seger]

32. And the real problem was...

... regardless of how long it took, a military solution is not a real solution against terrorists who recruit suicide attackers by claiming that the West is at war with Islam.

[brush]

44. Yep! Like the ISIS troops are going to sit there for 14 days while being wiped out

Who is in there generals ear, Rummy and Darth Cheney?

[juxtaposed]

2. the kurdish fighters have been kicking isis ass since all this b/s began.

[longship]

17. With very many woman warriors, which has got to piss off Daesh. (Sp??)

So sad for them. But I do not weep for them, only the Kurdish warriors who die to defeat this scourge of humankind.

[mpcamb]

53. But these Genreals sound VERY brave and self assured. Can we put them on the front line?

[Kingofalldems]

3. Another LBN post with a link to a right wing paper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express#Political_allegiance


It never ends.

[big_dog]

7. why dont you mind your own business

and give it a break, your tiresome antics never end. the Kurds are WORKING!! which i believe is what POTUS is trying to do from the get go

[Kingofalldems]

10. Tiresome antics you say?

How many LBN posts of yours have been taken down?

At the very least--one a week. And that's a conservative estimate.

[big_dog]

13. just give it up

go play with someone who cares. juxtaposed just nailed it "the kurdish fighters have been kicking isis ass since all this b/s began."

[Kingofalldems]

15. Won't give it up and I am not playing.

[big_dog]

16. same old tired antics, attack the your own percieved bias of source material & not the facts at hand

over and over again. not even trying win an objective debate on the matter

[Kingofalldems]

21. If you think I am harrassing you perhaps you should

complain to the admins.

[big_dog]

22. who appointed you the judge of source material?

i'm not complaining to anyone, the mods may do whatever they choose! i'm glad you are so concerned about such things though and keep on in your timeworthy pursuits! im sure you find it rewarding in some way...

[Kingofalldems]

24. I certainly will. Count on it.

[big_dog]

25. you are such a helpful and kind poster!

the world is such a better place because of it

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. There's no doubt the Express is right wing; I'd put it about the same as Fox News

but a little less reliable on its fact-checking (for instance, it talks real rubbish about the weather and global warming, Princess Diana's death, or the chances of finding a little girl who was kidnapped and/or killed in Portugal 10 years ago). Politically, it supports the UK Independence Party, which is roughly the British equivalent of the Tea Party. It is strongly anti-immigrant, and anti-EU.

But at least there is a name attached to the '14 days' claim, this time, so I'd guess he really did say it: "Col Hamish de Bretton-Gordon".

[uppityperson]

8. Yup.

Along with the "i just read it on a news site so it's gotta be lbn" thing, it never ends.

[big_dog]

20. yes and the same old tired posse chiming in to provide backup support never ends as well

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nothing like ganging up on people to make them feel right at home...

[uppityperson]

35. Aren't people who read SOP of the forums annoying?

[840high]

33. Educate yourself - read other sites besides DU.

They won't grab you through your monitor.

[liberal N proud]

4. Why do I have doubts?

Maybe it's that we will be greeted as liberators from the last time.

[GP6971]

6. Many of us have bridges for sale for the right buyer

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

38. Chris here !

Did somebody mention a bridge ?

[hay rick]

11. We should have started 15 months ago to defeat them in 14 days.

14 days or 14 centuries, whichever comes second.

[mazzarro]

43. Ding! ding! ding!

Same old "sales job" of the Iraqi invasion "cake walk" and being welcomed as "liberators" being piped up by the neo-cons/neo-liberals all over again!

[Cassiopeia]

12. It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.

Yeah, 12+ years later....

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

14. And all the ground troops could be home by Christmas

I think that's been claimed before. In a few wars.

[DFW]

18. Now what does THAT remind me of?

Oh yeah: "Maybe six days, maybe six weeks. Certainly not six months"

Certainly more than six years, Mr. Rumsfeld. Oops.

[cheapdate]

19. That's dumb. Sounds like something Trump or Carson would say.

The article quotes two retired British military leaders. Nowhere does it provide the basis for the claim in the headline. Bullshit sabre rattling from the bullshit tabloid Express.

[jtuck004]

23. “With guns you can kill terrorists, with education you can kill terrorism.” Malala Yousafzai

You can take away their territory, and in the process insure a continuing supply of terrorists for the grandkids, and their kids.

Education is needed. On both sides.

[roamer65]

26. Yeah, and what happens when they head to Riyadh?

These generals are stupid.

[big_dog]

28. the kurds just restored electricity to Sinjar...and ISIS runs from them

b/c they dont get the 72 virgins if they are killed by female commanders-- just sayin!
ISIS worst nightmare. Kurdish female fighter

[Ford_Prefect]

27. Kurdish forces are probably more effective without English Generals.

Kurds will not fight in certain areas of Iraq and Syria where they know they will not be welcomed by the local civilians. They have said so previously. It is the sectarian nature of the territory that various groups may oppose either Assad or Daesh, or both, But have no sympathy for those of another sect who live nearby. Kurds, Shiite, Sunni, and others occupy the region which Daesh have taken control of. Just because they are all oppressed by Daesh does not make them brother warriors.

There is also a much more complex political game going on which simple military force will not conclude. The MIC has a huge financial stake in continuing the various regional wars. If it were possible to erase Daesh in a 2weeks of air-strikes, drone attacks and coordinated ground assault this would have already happened. This is not Libya and the forces behind Daesh do not appear to be so publicly accessible.

One side effect of the proposed assault would be the wholesale slaughter of virtually all the civilians within the Daesh controlled areas; either by direct effect of the attack or through the use of them as human shields by Daesh troops. I'm not as ready to condemn those people to annihilation as some appear to be.

[big_dog]

29. i would have a badass female commando leading every Kurd into battle

we need to engage Daesh and use their own ideaology against them, no recruit will fight if he's not going to heaven to get what is promised to him. looks like freedom to me! http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/xzJyiwjxoHV8IDl_U_R3sw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/

[Marrah_G]

34. Vice has some awesome Docs on the Kurdish fighters including the women

They are amazing and they know they are literally fighting not only for their lives but the rape and slavery that comes before death.

The difference between the Kurds and the Iraqi army is night and day.

[big_dog]

39. this story should be on every network, newspaper and magazine

[flamingdem]

50. The Kurds need our support, not to mention

our respect. Too bad that for reasons of relations with Turkey and political considerations in Iraq that support has to be subdued. They will be the ones who save the situation.

[hollowdweller]

48. Right. A LOT of the people who live where ISIS is AGREE with them.

It's one thing to "liberate" a town from an enemy, or to aid the resistance.

However if the majority of the areas that the terrorists are agree with them, then you can't really liberate them.

Too many Sunni muslims are OK with ISIS. They agree with their barbaric practices and think it's religiously cool to cleanse the population of heretics.

I just don't see how you defeat a force that has the support of the population, really even has support of significant numbers of Sunnis in the middle east.

[jtuck004]

30. If you want to understand what an incredibly ignorant idea this is, read the link contained here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1253474

[big_dog]

31. daesh are the ignorant ones, not us

engage them on their own terms to win

[jtuck004]

40. So their terms are that most everyone dies, and what is left is a few thousand jihadists and

that brings us the Apocalypse, and game over.

What a bunch of brilliant fucks to want to play that game.

[hobbit709]

36. Channeling Vyacheslav von Plehve and William J. Fetterman

[avebury]

37. Talk about being delusional. nt

[Dr. Xavier]

41. I'm a big fan of the updated Sherlock Holmes (trust me this will be relevant)

In the original story, Dr. John Watson had been an army doctor in Afghanistan. In Sherlock, the contemporary version, Dr. John Watson, served as an army doctor in Afghanistan. This is a fictional character, first written about 140 years ago and the Brits are still in Afghanistan!!! Also, the British Military has never been able to defeat and get rid of the IRA. And this spring will be the 100 anniversary of the Dublin Uprising. So yeah, I'll take that bet but I want the over to be 14 days +.

[Turbineguy]

45. And what's more,

they'll welcome us with flowers!

[Helen Borg]

46. I'm sure Londoners are happy to hear...

It's not like Cameron will use the tube to go anywhere...

[Gumboot]

47. More of the usual garbage by warhawks.

Never a word about implementing any kind of sane foreign policy.

Bombing Eton and Sandhurst would wipe out generations of far more dangerous terrorists.

[bemildred]

49. "Home again by Christmas, by Jove!" nt

[BillZBubb]

51. Their delusion knows no bounds.

Sure, they could end ISIS as a cohesive military force, but the remnants would fight on and it wouldn't end the terrorist attacks. A lot of civilians would die who otherwise wouldn't.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

52. Chris here !

It doesn't add up Big Dog and I'll tell you how I know . Everybody knows donuts come in a box of a dozen ,that number is 12. When I place the order ,I always insist the free one comes in the package . That is called the bakers dozen and that brings the count to 13. Most people don't know that ! I don't think those generals are down with the numbers ,14 days doesn't figure out correctly.

Frankly I suspect a certain amount of obesity in their planning stages and I don't think they have 90 days to sort it all out.
I really don't think there is as much as a slim chance on that number.

Check out the full spectrum at your local donut shop and you just might see what I mean !
What I learned when I was U.S. attorney general state of New Jersey is, you really have to have those numbers down pat !