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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:53 AM Nov 2015

Beijing vows justice after Islamic State executes Chinese captive

Source: Reuters

China vowed on Thursday to "bring to justice" those responsible for executing one of its citizens after Islamic State said it had killed a Chinese captive, the first and so far only known Chinese hostage held by the group.

Islamic State said it had killed a Norwegian and a Chinese captive, showing what appeared to be pictures of the dead men under a banner reading "Executed" in the latest edition of its English language magazine.

It did not give any details in the online Dabiq magazine, published on Wednesday, about how, when or where the men were killed.

In a brief statement, China's Foreign Ministry confirmed the man's identify for the first time, naming him as Fan Jinghui, saying he had been "cruelly murdered". It said in September one of its citizens appeared to be in Islamic State captivity.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-egypt-crash-captives-china-idUSKCN0T805Y20151119#d0LObyTjYALiMsvq.97

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Beijing vows justice after Islamic State executes Chinese captive (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 OP
Boots on the ground, not bombing campaigns Maynar Nov 2015 #1
People, not "boots", please. Don't dehumanize them. uppityperson Nov 2015 #3
Even President Obama uses the term "boots on the ground." totodeinhere Nov 2015 #6
I see a huge difference between referring to someone as a person or a boot. uppityperson Nov 2015 #8
Are they going to throw thousand of boots out of a C-5? Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #23
President Obama uses the term "boots on the ground" and yes it is dehumanizing. Old Union Guy Nov 2015 #15
True treestar Nov 2015 #19
And After We Ask Nicely Ducksworthy Nov 2015 #25
I doubt China will invade Syria and Iraq. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #28
Are you going to volunteer to be one pair of those boots? christx30 Nov 2015 #29
At this rate MrBig Nov 2015 #2
Winter spring summer or fall... jberryhill Nov 2015 #4
A well fed dictator. How special. Hulk Nov 2015 #5
I doubt Whopper Junior there is even aware of anything outside his own borders Scootaloo Nov 2015 #14
"Whopper Junior" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #21
Oh I know jberryhill Nov 2015 #22
So, Ben Carson is prescient? StrayKat Nov 2015 #7
First thing I thought too! treestar Nov 2015 #20
Great... Bradical79 Nov 2015 #27
. Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2015 #9
boots on the ground DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #10
From what I read Maynar Nov 2015 #11
Well China hasn't had much skin in the game davidpdx Nov 2015 #12
Is it worrisome to anybody else PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #13
Nope. China won't add any military contribution to the war against Daesh. DetlefK Nov 2015 #16
This could get interesting. Quantess Nov 2015 #17
well, we know that china has some very talented hackers. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #18
Isis must be trying to all become Martyrs Marrah_G Nov 2015 #24
Ben Carson was right! Renew Deal Nov 2015 #26

Maynar

(769 posts)
1. Boots on the ground, not bombing campaigns
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:01 AM
Nov 2015

will be what wins this.

And China has an awful lot of boots.

Might behoove TPTB to get with that.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
6. Even President Obama uses the term "boots on the ground."
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:26 AM
Nov 2015

It's just a phrase. It has nothing to do with dehumanizing anybody.

"Again, I repeat: We’re not considering any open-ended commitment. We’re not considering any boots-on-the-ground approach."

-Obama at a press conference at the White House with Baltic leaders on Aug. 30, 2013.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/08/30/president-obama-meets-baltic-leaders

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
8. I see a huge difference between referring to someone as a person or a boot.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:37 AM
Nov 2015

Boots are articles of clothing. Military men and women are people.

I don't care if Obama called them boots. They are men and women.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
23. Are they going to throw thousand of boots out of a C-5?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:56 AM
Nov 2015

They'd have a lot of boots on the ground then. No, I think the "boots on the ground" phrase assumes human beings would have their feet in those boots. With that understanding, and since the Military says it ALL the time, I wouldn't take it as dehumanizing. JMO.

 

Old Union Guy

(738 posts)
15. President Obama uses the term "boots on the ground" and yes it is dehumanizing.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:07 AM
Nov 2015

... even if the president says it.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
28. I doubt China will invade Syria and Iraq.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

Russians who would allow them to use their airfields in a bombing campaign. They have no military agreements with China. They do have a long range bomber with a 5,500 mile range, but they would still need to have agreements in the event of emergency landings and other disasters.

I saw a report that a Chinese Aircraft Carrier docked at Tartus in Syria, but one aircraft carrier is not gong to do more than support Russian aircraft, and certainly would not have a force large enough to deliver "justice."

christx30

(6,241 posts)
29. Are you going to volunteer to be one pair of those boots?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:45 PM
Nov 2015

Would you want your children to volunteer?
Each boot you talk about is a human life that can be ended or hopelessly crippled by fighting over there.
I wouldn't go. I wouldn't want my children to go. Let them over there handle it. Someone needs to light a fire under the UN's ass.

MrBig

(640 posts)
2. At this rate
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:11 AM
Nov 2015

Temporary world peace will be achieved simply by the unification against the Islamic State. Seriously...who doesn't hate this group at this point?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Winter spring summer or fall...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:20 AM
Nov 2015

...all you've got to do is call,
And I'll be there,
Yes I will.

You've got a friend...

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
5. A well fed dictator. How special.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:23 AM
Nov 2015

So sad for all the North Koreans that suffer under this bat-shit crazy lunatic.

StrayKat

(570 posts)
7. So, Ben Carson is prescient?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:31 AM
Nov 2015

Maybe Carson's comments about China being in Syria weren't wrong, just premature.

^sarcasm

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. First thing I thought too!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:20 AM
Nov 2015

Now loony Ben will get credit that Jesus told him about this ahead of time!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
10. boots on the ground
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:26 AM
Nov 2015

actually that is what IS wants because if there are boots on the ground, then there can be more casualties, which make more martyrs. However, if they want to walk in, by all means, be our guest.

Maynar

(769 posts)
11. From what I read
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:41 AM
Nov 2015

bombing the populace allows ISIS to say, "look the infidels are killing innocent Muslims." Thus ginning up anti-Western sentiment.

But in a ground war they would have little chance of success against regular soldiers since they are well versed in terrorism but not so experienced against conventionally trained troops.

I don't know how true this is, but it sounds plausible.

There was an opinion piece on the radio today that referenced this very phenom, and mentioned the source as a Guardian column.

If it weren't so late, I might be able to remember the author's name, thus allowing the Google.

Sorry I haven't got that.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
12. Well China hasn't had much skin in the game
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:55 AM
Nov 2015

(no pun intended), so now they may need to be willing to put in resources to help stop the bloody conflict and restore order in the region.

13. Is it worrisome to anybody else
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:55 AM
Nov 2015

how ISIS, or whatever we're calling them today, seems to be courting war.

It's very difficult to fight a war when the enemy is so poorly defined. Religious zealots aren't defined by border. To be willing to die for your cause... that's dedication. I'd call it World War III, but they're so unorganized and they can't fight on a large scale. They are certainly doing their best to antagonize anybody they can though.

What makes me sad is how unavoidable it all is. It's the bully pushing you and pushing you until you fight back, but on a MUCH worse scale obviously.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
16. Nope. China won't add any military contribution to the war against Daesh.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:14 AM
Nov 2015

1. It's not their style.

2. Military action against Daesh would mean coordination with other nations. It would mean exchanges of information, meeting other people. Ideas seeping into chinese society. Uncensorable news infiltrating chinese society. And in the worst-case scenario it would mean that the chinese population gets ideas about freedom.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. well, we know that china has some very talented hackers.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015

if they are willing to conduct cyber attacks and get involved in that way, their participation could be invaluable, esp since the u.s. seems more interested in military engagement than cyberwar.

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