Activists seek ID of Minneapolis officer after man shot

[azurnoir]

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Source: yahoo/ap

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Community members and activists demanded Monday that Minneapolis police identify an officer who shot a black man suspected in an assault and release video of the incident.

Witnesses to the shooting just after midnight Sunday said the man was handcuffed when he was shot, sparking protests and an overnight encampment outside a police precinct on the city's north side.

Police did not immediately release the name of the man, but family members identified him as Jamar Clark, 24, and said he was on life support. Police said their preliminary investigation showed the man was not handcuffed at the time of the shooting, but the state's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension was investigating.

"None of our children deserve to be shot and killed, and then talked about like they are animals," Bettie Smith, whose son Quincy Smith died in a 2008 confrontation with police, said at a news conference outside the north Minneapolis precinct.

"Unless the community steps up to help us out, it will continue. Each and every one of us out here would be held accountable if we murdered someone," she added.



Black Lives Matter encampment digs in, issues demands in wake of police shooting


The activists have alleged that 24-year-old Jamar Clark, who is black, was unarmed and handcuffed when he was shot early Sunday on the street in the 1600 block of Plymouth Avenue N. during a struggle with police.

Police Chief Janeé Harteau has said her department’s “preliminary” finding is that Clark was not cuffed by officers who were responding to a report that Clark was assaulting his girlfriend. The state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is leading the shooting investigation.

The last word from police was that Clark was being treated at Hennepin County Medical Center. They have yet to disclose his condition. Nekima Levy-Pounds, president of the Minneapolis NAACP, countered that Clark had been “shot and killed” by police.

Clark’s relatives gathered Sunday at HCMC, where a physician told them that their loved one was brain dead. Clark was shot “in the head, execution style,” a family member said.

http://www.startribune.com/black-lives-matter-wants-video-of-man-s-shooting-by-minneapolis-police-released/350570871/


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I have seen the MPLS police beat and turn dogs on handcuffed suspects on more than 1 occasion

1600 Plymouth Ave North is in the heart of the Black community in Mpls

[virgogal]

1. I have seen many police who did NOT turn dogs on suspects. What's your point?

[Hulk]

2. The point is should it happen at all?

I've seen police who act respectfully and wisely. Does that mean we should ignore those that commit criminal acts against those they are sworn to protect?

I'm trying hard, as are many disheartened Americans, to support our brave and honorable police department staff; but the more videos I see and verified stories I hear of brutal injustice by a few criminal elements in the departments strain my belief in the system.

Shooting handcuffed suspects, or turning dogs loose on them when it isn't necessary is wrong and criminal in many circumstances, and those guilty shouldn't continue on the force and many should face criminal charges to discourage it in the future. That's the point.

[seaotter]

3. So, beating a handcuffed suspect is OK with you because not every officer does it??

How many suspects being beaten while handcuffed is the norm?m How many must be beaten until it matters? If this happened, that cop needs to go down as well as any cop who saw it happen. No quarter for criminal cops.

And, What , again, was YOUR point?

[MisterP]

12. well, then they're functioning adults

[Tempest]

4. The details are extremely disturbing

Witnesses from both sides of the street, who were kept apart by police and had not spoken with each other all reported the same thing.

Clark was handcuffed, laying on his back on the ground and was not resisting when the cop came up to him trying to shield himself and Clark from the crowd and then fired into Clark's face without provocation.

There's security camera video of what happened but the police are refusing to release it.

[Leontius]

5. This entire incident could have been avoided if Mr. Clark did not start beating a woman.

[Tempest]

6. Cum Hoc ergo Propter Hoc

Good job.

You found a little used fallacy argument to trot out.

[Leontius]

7. Are you dimissing his beating a woman as a factor?

That is what the cops were responding to so if he doesn't beat this woman the cops don't respond to the call and the shooting never happens.

[Tempest]

8. As a factor of his getting shot, absolutely

You would to if you weren't engaging in fallacy thinking.

But feel free to continue with your fallacy argument.

[tazkcmo]

10. What????

I didn't realize domestic violence was punishable by death, on the spot, without a trial. Hmm. Go figure.

[tkmorris]

28. Oh man, I LOVE this argument

"Hey, if the man hadn't been speeding I wouldn't have pulled him over and blown him away on the side of the interstate."

The reason police responded is IRRELEVANT. Repeat that to yourself as many times as is required. IRRELEVANT. The police should not shoot people unless it is absolutely, beyond any doubt, necessary. For me this would mean only to prevent an immediate and grave danger to human life. I would suggest you make sure your bodycam is on too as you WILL be required to defend this action if you choose it.

[tazkcmo]

9. Or if

Mr. Clark's parents didn't have sex and if his mother didn't get pregnant or if she had an a bortion instead of giving birth or if they hadn't moved to that city.

[Leontius]

11. If you guys are ok with him beating a woman that's on you.

[graegoyle]

13. And if you're okay with cops murdering handcuffed people, that's all on you.

[Leontius]

15. Never said it was okay

But I do know that if you don't beat a woman the cops won't be called on you for beating a woman and this would never have happened.

[Recursion]

24. True. Instead, they'll be called on you for stealing a cigarello, or playing in a park, or standing

outside of a WalMart, and you'll still be shot dead.

[Tempest]

14. Argumentum ex Silentio

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Another little used fallacy argument.

Keep it up and you'll hit a trifecta.

[Leontius]

17. Go ahead speak without fear

Quote some more Latin if you need to but please do explain how this would have happened without Clarks' initial act of violence.

[Recursion]

25. Oh, that's easy

Eric Garner was selling individual cigarettes, and was choked to death.

Tamir Rice was playing in a park, and was shot to death.

John Crawford was standing in front of a Walmart with a toy gun he had bought for his nephew, and was shot to death.

Sureshbhai Patel was walking back to his son's house and was beaten so badly that he will probably never walk again. The "concerned" neighbor who called the police later apologized -- when she found out he was Indian rather than black.

[tazkcmo]

16. lol

I'm just against the death penalty, on the spot, with no trial as a punishment this officer dealt out. We have a process with which to deal with women beaters but this ain't it.

Now, you can take your stupid "ok with with him beating a woman" shit and stuff it in your pipe.

[Leontius]

18. Would this incident have occured without Clarks' initial act of violence against a woman?

I'm against the death penalty period.

[tazkcmo]

19. This "incident" (I call it a killing)

should not have happened period. Good night.

[Leontius]

20. We agree it should not have happened.

And would not have happened without Clarks' initial act of violence.

[brush]

27. Stop already! You're sounding foolish with these posts.

If he did or didn't engage in domestic violence, the police have no right to shoot him in the head.

Are you reasoning impaired?

Cops are not the judge, jury and executioner on the spot.

[cleanhippie]

33. "Are you reasoning impaired? "

I think you may be on to something.

[LanternWaste]

29. I'd pretend others believe it's ok too if all I had to support my own premise were logical fallacies

I'd pretend others believe it's ok too if all I had to support my own premise were logical fallacies...

[Lordquinton]

21. Tell that go Tamara Rice, or Trayvon Martin

Your argument does not belong here.

[Leontius]

22. Did they beat a woman?

[Lordquinton]

23. No, yet they suffered the same fate.

Why do you continue to peddle this terrible line?

[sabrina 1]

26. And we no longer need to go through the judicial process, but straight to the DP

when someone is ACCUSED, note that word, unless you were a witness to the 'beating' of course, our judicial process goes like this: 'Innocent until proven guilty'. Well it does for SOME people.

So, the police are now the judge and jury and executioner for SOME members of our society??

I kind of like our judicial process. Because sometimes people are FALSELY accused of crimes and at least if we go through the process of determining guilt or innocence if it IS an innocent person, they will not be convicted.

Unfortunately in this case, we'll never know will we? Like so many others where the cops went eliminated the entire judicial process and went straight to the DP, which I doubt would have been the sentence EVEN IF the accusation was true!

RIP to yet another American Citizen, my second condolence message today, killed by America's Civilian Police.

[Lordquinton]

30. Someone has gone silent

Perhaps defending executions without trial made him rethink his position.

[sabrina 1]

31. That would be a good thing.

[Lordquinton]

32. Been almost 24 hours and no response

Did you reconsider your position?

[cleanhippie]

34. He has never once reconsidered his position. He has run away, again.

Such a brave act.