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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:41 PM Nov 2015

U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria

Source: New York Times

ISTANBUL — Intensifying pressure on the Islamic State, United States warplanes for the first time attacked hundreds of trucks on Monday that the extremist group has been using to smuggle the crude oil it has been producing in Syria, American officials said.

According to an initial assessment, 116 trucks were destroyed in the attack, which took place near Deir al-Zour, an area in eastern Syria that is controlled by the Islamic State.

The airstrikes were carried out by four A-10 attack planes and two AC-130 gunships based in Turkey.

Plans for the strike were developed well before the terrorist attacks in and around Paris on Friday, officials familiar with the operation said, part of a broader operation to disrupt the ability of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, to generate revenue to support its military operations and govern its territory.

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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/middleeast/us-strikes-syria-oil.html?_r=0



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U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria (Original Post) jpak Nov 2015 OP
ISIS sent out invitations & I see the response has been misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #1
They dropped leaflets to make sure the drivers weren't attacked jpak Nov 2015 #2
Better this than commit a hundred thousand troops to the fight. We may not be destroying them..... George II Nov 2015 #3
Warthogs. tabasco Nov 2015 #4
+1. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #10
A-10 "WARTHOG" misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #18
"United States warplanes for the first time attacked hundreds of trucks..." uawchild Nov 2015 #5
As the article says "because of concerns about causing civilian casualties". uppityperson Nov 2015 #13
Ok, thank you. uawchild Nov 2015 #20
Indeed! Complain when something is done carefully because another time it wasn't. uppityperson Nov 2015 #21
Was my apology not clear enough? uawchild Nov 2015 #22
I read it as sarcasm. My apologies if it wasn't meant so. uppityperson Nov 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Nov 2015 #24
What country did they smuggle the crude oil to? must also need lots of refined fuel for vehicles. Sunlei Nov 2015 #6
And the US will be looking into how and with whom ISIS will try to get new trucks from. DhhD Nov 2015 #7
Finally. I've been waiting for this strategy forever. DetlefK Nov 2015 #8
+ 10000 This ^ misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #16
I like the prompt, measured response. Very presidential compared to the clowns in the car. BUT... Doctor_J Nov 2015 #9
Oil. Francois9 Nov 2015 #11
I can't understand why this is the first time independentpiney Nov 2015 #12
As the article says "because of concerns about causing civilian casualties". uppityperson Nov 2015 #14
Yes, I read that independentpiney Nov 2015 #15
I find it ironic to read this, then on the threads of other bombings the strong opinion that uppityperson Nov 2015 #17
Agree. 1000+. We pick our poisons, in this case ISIS needs to go. misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #19
I knew that until the U.S. brought in the A10's , they werent' serious ladjf Nov 2015 #25
Aptly named. Turbineguy Nov 2015 #26

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
1. ISIS sent out invitations & I see the response has been
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:49 PM
Nov 2015

..overwhelming.
About time.
This one's gonna hurt

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Better this than commit a hundred thousand troops to the fight. We may not be destroying them.....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

....as fast but no Americans are losing their lives.

Even after ISIS is destroyed in Syria and Iraq, I'm afraid we'll still see things like the attacks in Paris for a long time.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
18. A-10 "WARTHOG"
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:50 PM
Nov 2015
http://m.military.com/equipment/a-10-thunderbolt-ii

A-10 "WARTHOG"
Why it is so effective.

Affectionately called the “Warthog” for its aggressive look and often painted with teeth on the nose cone, the A-10 Thunderbolt II is the U.S. Air Force’s primary low-altitude close air support aircraft. The A-10 is perhaps best known for its fearsome GAU-8 Avenger 30mm gatling gun mounted on the nose. The GAU-8 is designed to fire armor-piercing depleted uranium and high explosive incendiary rounds.

The A-10 Thunderbolt II has excellent maneuverability at low air speeds and altitude, and is a highly accurate and survivable weapons-delivery platform. The aircraft can loiter near battle areas for extended periods of time and operate in low ceiling and visibility conditions. The wide combat radius and short takeoff and landing capability permit operations in and out of locations near front lines. Using night vision goggles, A-10 pilots can conduct their missions during darkness.

Thunderbolt IIs have Night Vision Imaging Systems, or NVIS, goggle compatible single-seat cockpits forward of their wings and a large bubble canopy which provides pilots all-around vision. The pilots are protected by titanium armor that also protects parts of the flight control system.
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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
5. "United States warplanes for the first time attacked hundreds of trucks..."
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

"United States warplanes for the first time attacked hundreds of trucks on Monday that the extremist group has been using to smuggle the crude oil it has been producing in Syria, American officials said."

For the FIRST time? wtf?

So, until Paris, we really didn't think it worthwhile to disrupt ISIS's sale of oil that it uses to finance it's terrorist state? I mean, isn't bombing/strafing hundreds of oil trucks like one of the first things you would think we would do if we were really serious about crippling ISIS... oh wait...

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
20. Ok, thank you.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:30 PM
Nov 2015

Strafing ISIS oil trucks around the general population should be done carefully, I am sure it was done carefully now.

Thank you for reminding me that civilian casualties should be a concern when the US exercises military power, especially after the lack of concern exhibited when we strafed the Doctors Without Borders hospital. Thanks again for making me think for a moment about the regular people caught up in this war. My dislike for ISIS and suspicions about US policy got the better of me there.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
22. Was my apology not clear enough?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:35 PM
Nov 2015

Again, thank you for pointing out that civilian casualties ARE something the US should strive to avoid, as they tried to do so in this case.

But, in all honesty, wasn't there opportunities to act in a similar fashion before now? Do we care less about civilian casualties _now_ after the Paris attacks? Is that the justification for change of policy in our willingness to target these oil tankers now? It appears so from a distance.

Response to uppityperson (Reply #23)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
6. What country did they smuggle the crude oil to? must also need lots of refined fuel for vehicles.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
7. And the US will be looking into how and with whom ISIS will try to get new trucks from.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

Will Saudi Arabia provided the funding or the trucks since Levant Oil theft will be stopped?

A few weeks ago, Americans were asking where ISIS was getting hundreds of new pick-ups from, to carry their ground forces in.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. Finally. I've been waiting for this strategy forever.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

Send in AC-130 gunships and blow up everything that looks like a car, a truck, a gas-station, a gas-tank...

ISIS is essentially a cavalry-army: cars and machine-guns.
And the iraqi territory of the IS is basically just two thin lines of towns and villages. Strategically it's a really bad situation. Only the fast and flexible army of ISIS is keeping this territory together.

No gas and no cars and ISIS will be picked clean by the Kurds and the Iraqis.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
16. + 10000 This ^
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

Cut off a very big source of their money supply.
Ever try to drive a car with no gas?
Seriously, this is huge way to stop the movement & purchase power.

Guess we'll find out who steps in to assist ISIS.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. I like the prompt, measured response. Very presidential compared to the clowns in the car. BUT...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:15 PM
Nov 2015

I still don't see the endgame here. How will we know when it's over?

 

Francois9

(54 posts)
11. Oil.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:22 PM
Nov 2015

That is what it is all about. For France, too. The Baathists nationalized Compagnie Française des Pétroles a long time ago, and French capitalists have never gotten over it. Hence France's willingness to help the US in Syria. The Brits never had any oil holdings there, so they don't give a damn, and refused to help.

independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
12. I can't understand why this is the first time
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:40 PM
Nov 2015

Seems to me they should have been a priority target as soon as air assets were committed.

independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
15. Yes, I read that
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:15 PM
Nov 2015

but thought it sounded like a bullshit excuse. I'd be equally or more concerned about civilian casualties targeting c&c facilities and camps in or adjacent to cities and villages, than a 1000 tanker convoy on a desert highway. I think more likely it's because it would have created problems for whoever is on the purchasing end.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
17. I find it ironic to read this, then on the threads of other bombings the strong opinion that
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

they should not bomb anywhere because of the potential for civilian casualties. Not by you but others, I mean.

I am glad to not have to make the decisions, and so glad we have the Pres we have right now.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
19. Agree. 1000+. We pick our poisons, in this case ISIS needs to go.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015

Thank you Pres Obama.
I certainly respect his decision as well as the difficulty of his position.
Thats why he's Pres & I am gladly not.

Great OP jpak, btw

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