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George II

(67,782 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:58 AM Nov 2015

Democratic Voters Overwhelmingly Think Clinton Won Debate; Particularly Strong on National Security

Source: Public Policy Polling

A Public Policy Polling survey of Democratic primary voters nationally who watched tonight’s debate finds that it reinforced Hillary Clinton’s front runner status. Viewers overwhelmingly think she won the debate, and particularly trust her over the rest of the Democratic field when it comes to issues of national security.

Key findings from the survey include:

-67% of voters think Clinton won the debate, to 20% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. On a related note 63% of viewers said the debate gave them a more positive opinion of Clinton, compared to 41% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of Sanders, and 37% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of O’Malley.

-Clinton is by a wide margin the candidate debate watchers trust the most on national security issues. 75% say they have the most faith in Clinton on that front, compared to only 17% for Sanders, and 5% for O’Malley. National security issues were a primary focus tonight in the aftermath of yesterday’s tragedy in France, and Democratic voters by far and away trust Clinton the most on that issue.

-What’s particularly striking is how universal the sentiment that Clinton won the debate tonight is among all the different groups within the Democratic Party. 86% of African Americans, 73% of women, 70% of moderates, 69% of seniors, 67% of Hispanics, 65% of liberals, 61% of white voters, 58% of men, and 50% of younger voters all think that Clinton was the winner of tonight’s debate.

Read more: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/11/democratic-voters-overwhelmingly-think-clinton-won-debate-particularly-strong-on-national-security-i.html



No surprise here!
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Democratic Voters Overwhelmingly Think Clinton Won Debate; Particularly Strong on National Security (Original Post) George II Nov 2015 OP
k&r RandySF Nov 2015 #1
lol n.t iamthebandfanman Nov 2015 #2
Obviously they saw the same debate I did yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #3
You must have watched a different debate than I did Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #5
No. She was so well versed in foreign policy, economy, guns, and everything else yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #7
Sanders seemed like a cranky old man who was late for his nap........ George II Nov 2015 #11
preordained results for the preordained 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #12
I think Democrats (in general) are ready for Madam President--now what do we riversedge Nov 2015 #6
No. He earned president. Keep it. Many families have two doctors in the family yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #8
How about Madam Presidents consort, President Bill Clinton. What do you think? Laser102 Nov 2015 #63
"Clinton won the debate tonight is among all the different groups within the Democratic Party." riversedge Nov 2015 #4
K&R!!!!!!!! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #9
Polling was done with Correct the Record-- her SuperPAC ram2008 Nov 2015 #10
Polling was done by PPP. George II Nov 2015 #14
Read the report. jeff47 Nov 2015 #15
ON BEHALF, not sponsored by! George II Nov 2015 #17
:facepalm: jeff47 Nov 2015 #19
Yawn....Sanders came off as highly UN-Presidential. George II Nov 2015 #22
Now now George, we were talking about this poll. jeff47 Nov 2015 #25
Oh Jeff, are you tonight's designated hitter? George II Nov 2015 #27
No, I just have this terrible bias towards reality. Sorry. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #28
Was Sanders (as well as the other candidates) not one of the subjects of the poll? George II Nov 2015 #54
So decided to come back in the morning and try again? jeff47 Nov 2015 #56
Sorry, I don't "live" on DU. All you're now doing is impugning the integrity of one of the most.... George II Nov 2015 #58
Again, read your own sources. I am not saying anything that PPP does not say themselves. jeff47 Nov 2015 #69
Whatever that means. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #32
Hillary will never be elected President of these united states of America madokie Nov 2015 #67
So the head line should read: "Specially selected Democrats overwhelming think..." mpcamb Nov 2015 #71
Preordained results for the preordained, perhaps? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #18
Sponsored by Correct the Record. Paulie Nov 2015 #13
Don't hold your breath awaiting a reply arcane1 Nov 2015 #33
of course they did. haydukelives Nov 2015 #16
Most people are likely to think relayerbob Nov 2015 #20
Then there's this one. madfloridian Nov 2015 #21
Another "online poll"? How many republicans and teenagers with a smart phone voted? George II Nov 2015 #23
Well, the poll you're touting in the OP has zero teenagers with a smartphone. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #30
Under 18's don't vote. And how do you know the telephone poll pnwmom Nov 2015 #47
Because I read their report. Tricky, huh? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #57
I did, too. Where in the report does it say that their telephone calls pnwmom Nov 2015 #65
Cell phones are explicitly mentioned out when they are called. In addition, they'd provide jeff47 Nov 2015 #68
These aren't polls and being swarmed by online partcipants hardly makes it accurate relayerbob Nov 2015 #26
Just as indicative or more so than phoning only likely voters... madfloridian Nov 2015 #31
They use other factors besides whether you've voted before. They know pnwmom Nov 2015 #48
So............. Plucketeer Nov 2015 #39
Bullshit bl968 Nov 2015 #24
They're smoking Clinton SuperPAC money. jeff47 Nov 2015 #29
Nothing like having your SuperPAC ready with your own polling results... EndElectoral Nov 2015 #34
I thought they were all excellent at different moments tishaLA Nov 2015 #35
Yep. Easy call. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #36
Oh yeah! Plucketeer Nov 2015 #40
And his making a joke about 90% tax rates didn't help him much either. pnwmom Nov 2015 #49
Hillary is #1 with a dial tone. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #37
Hillary won the poll she paid for? fbc Nov 2015 #38
The reactions here are priceless, and once again prove that DU bears absolutely no resemblance.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #41
The way we all leftynyc Nov 2015 #66
I actually don't think it's Democrats who are pushing the "online polls", I think that has much.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #70
If I was in a debate and had my own superpac polling, i bet i could win too:) too funny litlbilly Nov 2015 #42
Sanders has his own hired pollster now. okasha Nov 2015 #43
Hillary Clinton is the chosen one, and of course she won. c588415 Nov 2015 #44
It was paid for by the SuperPAC that coordinates with her campaign jfern Nov 2015 #45
Do you think the Clinton posters really care about that? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #46
Hmm, not sure about that Wibly Nov 2015 #50
Public Policy Polling etherealtruth Nov 2015 #51
The "debates" are a spectator sport where everyone cheers for their team. nt NonMetro Nov 2015 #52
Call off the election --- it's another poll. tabasco Nov 2015 #53
These are strong polling numbers Gothmog Nov 2015 #55
81% over age 46. madfloridian Nov 2015 #60
And? Are you familiar with the age distribution of Democratic voters in recent national elections? George II Nov 2015 #61
All that this means is that chapdrum Nov 2015 #62
I like Bernie Sanders and plan to vote for him in the primary regardless of any polls. cheapdate Nov 2015 #64
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Obviously they saw the same debate I did
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:00 AM
Nov 2015

Some here might not have watched and are hoping their candidate did well. Hillary was far presidential by a mile at least.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
7. No. She was so well versed in foreign policy, economy, guns, and everything else
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:04 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie wants to give us things which is nice and O'Malley clearly is not ready.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Sanders seemed like a cranky old man who was late for his nap........
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:11 AM
Nov 2015

.........(I'm a cranky old man too, for the lurking alerters)

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
12. preordained results for the preordained
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:11 AM
Nov 2015

Canidate. We all knew that the results we are told will always be Hillary.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
6. I think Democrats (in general) are ready for Madam President--now what do we
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:04 AM
Nov 2015

do with Bill?? I actually liked the First Dude but then someone reminded me that it was Palin's Hubby suggestion. uga uga.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. No. He earned president. Keep it. Many families have two doctors in the family
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:06 AM
Nov 2015

And are able to figure out which one is which.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
4. "Clinton won the debate tonight is among all the different groups within the Democratic Party."
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

That's our gal. This really is impressive.


CONGRATS TO HILLARY AND HER TEAM


-What’s particularly striking is how universal the sentiment that Clinton won the debate tonight is among all the different groups within the Democratic Party. 86% of African Americans, 73% of women, 70% of moderates, 69% of seniors, 67% of Hispanics, 65% of liberals, 61% of white voters, 58% of men, and 50% of younger voters all think that Clinton was the winner of tonight’s debate.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. :facepalm:
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

Yes, they're regularly going to mention random SuperPACs who are not at all connected with a poll!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. Now now George, we were talking about this poll.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:21 AM
Nov 2015

So odd of you to change the subject if there was nothing odd about the poll.

Like not publishing the prescreening questions.
Or their likely voter model.
Or not rotating the candidate's names in the questions
Or the minor detail that it's a landline poll.
And that it was paid for by a Clinton SuperPAC.

Nope, nothing to see here. Time to move on to the optics.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. Was Sanders (as well as the other candidates) not one of the subjects of the poll?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:39 AM
Nov 2015

Where did they publish the questions? What was "their likely voter model"?

"PPP interviewed 510 Democratic primary voters nationally by telephone after the debate who had been pre-screened on Thursday and Friday as planning to watch the debate and willing to give their opinions about it afterward."

Of course they "prescreened" the people polled. Generally when a polling company conducts a poll about an event (i.e., the debate) they want to contact people who are planning to watch the debate. It would be pointless to contact people who didn't watch the debate, so they "prescreened" people to determine respondents who would be able to rationally comment on the debate.

You're belying your earlier contention that you're biased toward reality.


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
56. So decided to come back in the morning and try again?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:33 PM
Nov 2015
Where did they publish the questions?

The link to the actual report is at the end of the press release you quoted in the OP. You should consider reading your own sources sometimes.

Of course they "prescreened" the people polled.

And the point you're missing is they did not publish specifically how they prescreened them. If the questions were just "Are you going to watch the debate?" and "can we call you after it?", then what would be the harm in publishing those results? Don't you think finding out how many said "I'm not going to watch it" would have been nice to know?

You know what's also missing from the prescreeing? How they got their sample. You'll find when you bother to read the actual report that it does not include anything about getting a random sample. Which means it wasn't a random sample.

You're belying your earlier contention that you're biased toward reality.

When you don't bother reading your own sources, how do you know what reality is?

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Sorry, I don't "live" on DU. All you're now doing is impugning the integrity of one of the most....
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:03 PM
Nov 2015

.....respected pollsters around and suggesting how they should have conducted their poll?

Have it your way, that won't change the result of the poll or how most people felt. Enjoy!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
69. Again, read your own sources. I am not saying anything that PPP does not say themselves.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

But we both know you won't be doing that.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
67. Hillary will never be elected President of these united states of America
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

and that you can take to the bank

Americans are sick and tired of the same old same old and that is exactly what will be with a Billary win

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
13. Sponsored by Correct the Record.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:12 AM
Nov 2015

Using pre screened participants. No mention of the screening questions.

Surprise surprise.

PPP interviewed 510 Democratic primary voters nationally by telephone after the debate who had been pre-screened on Thursday and Friday as planning to watch the debate and willing to give their opinions about it afterward. The survey’s margin of error is +/-4.3%. This research was conducted on behalf of Correct The Record.
Phone: 888 621-6988
Web: www.publicpolicypolling.com
Email: information@publicpolicypolling.com

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
47. Under 18's don't vote. And how do you know the telephone poll
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:04 AM
Nov 2015

didn't include cell phones? Most telephone polls do these days.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
65. I did, too. Where in the report does it say that their telephone calls
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:53 PM
Nov 2015

were limited to landline calls?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
68. Cell phones are explicitly mentioned out when they are called. In addition, they'd provide
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

a percentage of cell phone versus landline.

At least, that's what's done in all of PPP's other polls.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
31. Just as indicative or more so than phoning only likely voters...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:40 AM
Nov 2015

which means they have voted before.. Many Bernie supporters have not been previous Democratic voters.

But then again he's building a support system which is not being covered by media.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
48. They use other factors besides whether you've voted before. They know
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:05 AM
Nov 2015

that young people haven't been able to vote in the past.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
39. So.............
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:17 AM
Nov 2015

IF these on-line polls are not valid and Bernie keeps coming out on top, how come folks don't flood them for your preordained "Champion"??? She's got no one who cares enough to make a showing?

I'm glad I'm with Sanders. I think you delusionals are setting yourselves up for a really ugly surprise. Hill stank tonight. Cracks were starting to show in her facade of composure. I can't WAIT for the caucuses!

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
34. Nothing like having your SuperPAC ready with your own polling results...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:47 AM
Nov 2015

Saying something is so doesn't make it so...in this case, far from it.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
35. I thought they were all excellent at different moments
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

but in terms of national security, her response about Jordan taking so many refugees and her answer about OBL's killing were pretty untouchable.

Sanders and MO'M were better on things like minimum wage and health care. IMO none of them distinguished him or herself on the question about race. Sorry.

SunSeeker

(51,694 posts)
36. Yep. Easy call.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:59 AM
Nov 2015

Good grief, they asked Sanders what crisis he survived that will help him as president. All he could come up with was having to compromise with the GOP on a veterans bill. Hillary nailed it with the Bin Laden example.

And on healthcare, I had no idea Sander's idea of single payer involved giving power to the states. Holy shit. Now for sure people will not want their taxes raised 10% to pay for that.

Hillary hit it out of the park on guns, pointing out Bernie's refusal to admit he made a mistake on manufacturer immunity.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
40. Oh yeah!
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:23 AM
Nov 2015

And think of the MILLIONS that are gonna be ecstatic about her lesser minimum wage. Yeah - she won GOBS of devotees (or is it DE-votees?) on that gem of logic. Wonder how much the folks serving food at her $33K-a-plate dinner are getting paid!

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
49. And his making a joke about 90% tax rates didn't help him much either.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:06 AM
Nov 2015

I also didn't know that his plan was to let each state handle their own healthcare. That wouldn't end well.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
41. The reactions here are priceless, and once again prove that DU bears absolutely no resemblance..
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:25 AM
Nov 2015

to the real world. It's hilarious to watch the people who were calling for "more debates" are now pissed that their candidate isn't winning them. That's gotta suck!

Go Madam President!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
66. The way we all
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:16 PM
Nov 2015

Howled with derision when the republicans discounted the polls in 2012. And here they are doing the same thing along with pushing unscientific online polls. I would think they would be embarrassed but apparently not.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
70. I actually don't think it's Democrats who are pushing the "online polls", I think that has much....
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:05 PM
Nov 2015

more to do with BS' libertarian following. Afterall, "Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke dope & get laid", but seem to be attracted to BS for some inexplicable reason.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
43. Sanders has his own hired pollster now.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:39 AM
Nov 2015

Oddly, we haven't seen any numbers he's produced. Gotta wonder why Bernie's campaign is keeping those results to themselves.

Response to George II (Original post)

Wibly

(613 posts)
50. Hmm, not sure about that
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:07 AM
Nov 2015

I thot Hilary was stronger than last time, but I wouldn't say she won. Seemed more like a draw between her and Sanders. I think O'M won some support too.
Too many talking points and platitudes.
If the GOP D is a shite slinging charade, the Dem's is a platitude parade.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
51. Public Policy Polling
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:17 AM
Nov 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Polling

Public Policy Polling (PPP) is a U.S. polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina.[1] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer.[2]
PPP is described as one of the "most accurate" polling companies[3][4] and also as a "Democratic-leaning"[5] polling company because it polls only for Democratic and progressive campaigns and organizations on a private basis.
 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
62. All that this means is that
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

the sleepwalkers will likely prevail.

HRC petulant over impugned integrity, AND favorably invoking GW Bush?

Give me a break.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
64. I like Bernie Sanders and plan to vote for him in the primary regardless of any polls.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

But I can't deny the evidence provided by established and respected public opinion research organizations like PPP. Sure, they could be off -- but not by 30 points. Hillary Clinton is very popular among the general population of Democratic voters. Here in both my local and state (Tennessee) Democratic Party organizations, Hillary is very popular.

Bernie Sanders remains a long-shot. Hillary Clinton is the clear favorite to win the nomination. I see very little reason at this point to expect that to change, or to expect that Bernie Sanders will emerge from Super Tuesday with any serious chance to upset Clinton.

My political views have never been mainstream. I'm an anarchist at heart, and a Democrat in the real world. I'll support the party's nominee whoever it is.

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