Universal Health Care to Appear on Colorado Ballot in 2016
Source: Associated Press
Supporters of universal health care have gathered enough signatures to put on next year's ballot a plan to make Colorado the first state to opt out of the federal health law and replace it with taxpayer-funded coverage for all.
Proponents submitted 158,831 qualified signatures, about 60,000 more than required to put the measure on the ballot, Secretary of State Wayne Williams said Monday. The question would make Colorado the first state to opt out of the federal Affordable Care Act and replace it with universal health care.
Vermont lawmakers passed universal health care in 2011. But three years later, the state abandoned the plan as too expensive.
The ColoradoCareYES campaign says employers would have to pay a new tax about 7 percent of a worker's wages into the health co-op, on top of deductions for Social Security and Medicare. Employees would have a payroll tax of about 3 percent. Both employers and workers then would not have to pay premiums to a private health insurer.
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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS DENVER Nov 9, 2015, 7:35 PM ET
jeff47
(26,549 posts)msongs
(67,413 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Revenue from cannabis sales this year are predicted to be $125 million. A combined 10% payroll levy on Colorado wages yields $12 billion, which is what it would take to pay for health care for Colorado's 5 million people. And even that is optimistic, since that assumes we can provide treatments at half the cost per person that the current system is.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)10% of a person's pay (remember, many people earn only minimum wage or just a little higher) is cheaper than the cost of relatively inexpensive private health insurance.
For employers who already pay for their employees' health insurance, it may be cheaper to pay 10% of payroll or wages rather than to buy private health insurance for employees.
We shall see.
European insurance is single payer and is cheaper than ours although it includes dental and eye care among other things.
Where we lived, the locals went to spas on their single payer health insurance. The insurance was still cheaper than it is here.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I just personally doubt that a 10% levy will be enough, barring a huge change in the provider structure.
European insurance is single payer
Rarely. Really, just the UK and Austria. The rest of the countries have multi-payer systems.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I may be using the term rather loosely. I lived in four European countries because my husband taught there.
The countries we lived in with the exception of the UK an maybe France had each a handful or at least a couple of insurance, non-profit health insurance companies. You had some choice, but the single payer aspect referred to the fact (in my mind) that our insurance premiums were taken out of our paychecks and used for the insurance. Everyone had insurance. Everyone. There was, as far as I understood, no for-profit insurance. The government regulated the insurance providers so that everyone got excellent and full-coverage services for their money. I think that if you paid extra you could have things like a private room.
When my first baby was born, I shared a ward with 11 other new mothers. It was great. All the babies. The joy. For me as a new mother in a country alone, it was great to learn from the more experienced mothers. They kept me in the hospital 2 weeks because I had complications. That would almost never be possible here. It's have your baby and get out as quickly as possible. That can be great if you have a normal birth, but if you don't, it can be tough. Depends on your age probably. I was a bit older than most new mothers.
Anyway, I loved the European system but single-payer did not mean just one insurance company. (Except maybe in the UK and I'm not sure about France.) it meant that the payments went through the government and were taken out of our paychecks. It also meant that the payments were pooled so that everyone got insurance. No one was left out.
My brother-in-law once had heart problems in the airplane on a trip to Scotland. When he landed, he was placed in a hospital at no cost to him. Amazing. We do not treat our foreign guests that well at all. Single payer is kind of a misleading term in my opinion. Maybe universal healthcare is better. The ACA is certainly an improvement over the chaos prior to it. But it does not cover everyone, and we still have for-profit insurance companies hiking up healthcare costs beyond what most Americans can afford.
I have the impression that the administrative costs with the European single payer systems are lower than the administrative costs with our for-profit system.
I doubt that a single provider system would work well in the US. The needs of urban and rural populations when it comes to healthcare are very different.
Here we have Kaiser insurance which is the closest approximation to the European systems that I know of here. We like it very much. The doctors are not overly involved in trying to work through the paperwork and administrative details. Single payer makes it much easier for doctors in that respect. That in itself saves a lot of money.
I have no idea how our doctors, our sole practitioners, deal with the maze of different insurance company requirements, limitations, paperwork, etc. It must be a nightmare.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Actual zero-cost-at-delivery is very, very rare.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and voting in their own best interests.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)That suits me fine- the "Gods" can watch as their temples decay and we move on without them.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)We need at least one state on board. Go Colorado!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I lived there for 15 years and it's always seemed like a majority red state to me. Maybe it's changed a lot since I left.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)With occasional swings to left or right. It's been somewhat to the left, in general, for quite a few years.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I've been gone almost 20 years.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Colorado, imo, has been super reflective of the country as a whole, demographically speaking. Liberal Boulder and Denver, super conservative Colorado Springs, Latino Pueblo.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)Employees and employers will pay a payroll tax. Of course, it's a flat tax, like SS and Medicare, and it's capped too, so contributions from the rich are capped... is that just all American bullshit or what? Capital gains are taxed at 10%, so that's good.
Despite my issues with this, I want it to pass. We desperately need a state to do this, and I'm happy for mine to be the first, as with ending pot prohibition. Also, it might get the rabid right wingers to leave the state. I thought the pot would do it, but they're still here.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)That gets you $12 billion, which for the 5 million Coloradans gets you about $2400 per person in health care spending. Nationally we're currently spending about $5200 per person, or significantly more than twice that. That's going to be hard to make work.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)As is being found out with Obamacare. If there are no efforts to control costs, none of these ideas will work.
moose65
(3,167 posts)Would that amount also cover people on Medicaid and Medicare? I don't know how that would work. If people are already on another Federal plan, would they have to be covered under Colorado's plan? Maybe this plan is for the non-Medicaid, non-Medicare crowd.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Assuming Medicare and Medicaid aren't affected that becomes a much more realistic number.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'm glad they got it on the ballot and hope they have success passing it. While a piecemeal solution is not the best one, it could eventually push Congress to make universal coverage available to all states. It certainly will be a tough fight.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)forthemiddle
(1,381 posts)Won't you still need a private plan if you travel out of state.
Also I work out of my home for a company based in Ohio, would they also pay this tax.
I will be interested to see the logistics of it all. I also don't see 10% covering it unless costs are reigned in.
lostnfound
(16,180 posts)Just payroll?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Vermont proved that this is not an easy thing to implement.