Fury and fear in Ohio as IT jobs go to India
Source: Computerworld
IT workers are training their replacements
Nov 9, 2015 3:03 AM PT
The IT workers at Cengage Learning in the company's Mason, Ohio offices learned of their fates game-show style. First, they were told to gather in a large conference room. There were vague remarks from an IT executive about a "transition." Slides were shown that listed employee names, directing them to one of three rooms where they would be told specifically what was happening to them. Some employees were cold with worry.
The biggest group, those getting pink slips, were told to remain in the large conference room. Workers directed to go through what we'll call Door No. 2, were offered employment with IT offshore outsourcing firm Cognizant. That was the smallest group. And those sent through Door No. 3 remained employed in Cengage's IT department. This happened in mid-October.
"I was so furious," said one of the IT workers over what happened. It seemed "surreal," said another. There was disbelief, but little surprise. Cengage, a major producer of educational content and services, had outsourced accounting services earlier in the year. The IT workers rightly believed they were next.
The employees were warned that speaking to the news media meant loss of severance. Despite their fears, they want their story told. They want people to know what's happening to IT jobs in the heartland. They don't want the offshoring of their livelihoods to pass in silence.
Read more: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3002681/it-outsourcing/fury-and-fear-in-ohio-as-it-jobs-go-to-india.html#tk.cwsotd
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I wish that those who were required to train their replacements could just tell the company to shove it and walk away. It's not often a realistic alternative, alas.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)It feels so unfair.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I mean, laid-off employees have shot up their offices for much less than this...
I'm not saying that's what should happen here, but still...
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)but their severance pay is on the line. That amounts to blackmail, train your replacement or you won't get your severance package. That's outrageous!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Congress could pass a bill requiring companies to set aside a certain amount of money in a trust fund for severance pay when firing employees and make bribing employees to be silent about the company illegal.
That would help us discover a lot of fraud and malfeasance in the corporate world.
Those who know are silenced by severance payments. The severance payments should be automatic and should come from a trust fund set up by the company for that purpose. Same for pension funds of a company. They should be placed in trust from the get-go.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)This is SOP.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)I cannot stand all these dumb fuck piece of shit Republicans milling about here in Iowa with 30 pieces of silver at the ready for the idiots who vote for them.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)More offshoring and H1B visas!
(Aka: Kick)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)that is exactly what we will get.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)http://www.computerworld.com/article/2909983/it-outsourcing/heres-where-clinton-and-rubio-stand-on-the-h-1b-visa-issue.html
From 2014:
"Clinton also backed increasing the number of H-1B visas issued by the United States."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/08/hillary-clinton-on-2016-im-thinking-about-it/
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)Unbelievable. Even more pain for current and future US workers, and devastation for our country and economy.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and stating it as fact is what is really "grade school".
I happen to believe that is we nominate Hillary, not only will she lose the White House (badly),
but the down tickets Dems will suffer too.
wolfie001
(2,240 posts)Pure bs. Sorry, but it's pretty apparent to the broad spectrum of voters that Carson is un-electable. Let the repukes throw their $ away on that sociopath.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)hearing that type of nonsense back in 2007. If we nominate Obama and not Hillary, we will lose the White House in the general. When will people learn, there isn't an opponent in the republican primary that can beat either Hillary or Bernie...so sense Bernie is the best candidate, we should fight to make sure he wins the nomination and forget about this propaganda war the MSM is waging in order to put Hillary and Bill back into office for a second time as if once wasn't enough. Too bad the MSM is backing candidates according to how much money they can make if that candidate is elected, and how much money they can make in the primary and then in the general from supporting the candidate. Wake up, this is an election, not a coronation. The time for the Clintons has passed, give Sanders a chance.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Remember. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Citizens United.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)JDPriestly. A vote for Citizens United, Wall Street, and many other entities that have us in this period of Austerity at the present moment. Warren would have taken the nomination in a cake walk IMHO. Too bad she decided not to run. I sure wish she would reconsider and give Bernie a boost by endorsing him and then later agreeing to become his VP...that in my opinion would be awesome.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)but is using much the same language on a number of issues as is Bernie. There's hope.
Usually, though, a vice presidential candidate comes from a different region of the country than the presidential candidate. That was not true in George W. Bush's case. The reality was that Cheney was also from Texas. There was controversy over whether the two candidates were from different states. They are required to be by tradition if not by law. I'm not sure on that point.
Elizabeth Warren is, of course, from a different state than Bernie, and was originally from Oklahoma. She also lived in Texas.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)a dream we need to help to become a reality. You are absolutely correct, she hasn't endorsed any of the candidates, and that is imho good strategy on her part. It is much to early in this primary race to be able to decide which candidate one should endorse, if you have as much cred as she does with the democratic parties base. I admire her wish to stay in congress and do her best to get legislation passed that will help promote those policies that will help the middle class and poor in this nation. I admire her tenacity when it comes to calling out corporate America for their greed and obsessive need to usurp the wealth of this nation and the rest of the world. I understand what an enormous decision it would be to run on a ticket as VP, but I do believe that she could easily go from VP to President without a lot of effort, especially if a Sanders Presidency is successful, something I believe would come to fruition if the people of this country would give him an opportunity.
Btw, have you seen this:
America needs Senator Warren in the Executive Branch NOW!
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Once she "evolves" back on the TPP, of course--which no doubt would happen promptly after the inauguration.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)national laws
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Then tell me the Presidency is not going to be important and that we need someone working on national legislation. We need someone that is going to promote or prevent policies that are not in the best interest of the people of this country. The Executive branch is where that can happen. Bernie Sanders is the person that I feel will have the best interest of this nation at heart and will do the right thing when it comes to signing legislation into law.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)They made a fortune from Bill's great adventure in the White House. And, now Hillary is creating the same type of drama. As SOS she wasn't heard about much, but when she started running, damn the floodgates opened with Hillary all the time. Emails and Benghazi 24/7, so much air time, and so much money.
The way Bill and Hillary operate there will 'scandal' after 'scandal', they can't seem to just come out with the truth and end the conversation. They drip the information so that instead of a one week cycle, it can go on for months. It's like a damn soap opera.
Z
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)The Clinton's have learned to cash in on controversy and are doing so hand over fist, with so much controversy surrounding this family, I don't see how the electorate can possibly believe Hillary will be able to peacefully serve in the position of President. I suppose the old saying is true "How soon they forget."
Its all fine to say, Time will heal everything, this too shall pass away. People will forgetand things like that when you are not involved, but when you are there is no passage of time, people do not forget and you are in the middle of something that does not change.
~~~~~~~~~― John Steinbeck
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)He will have all of the Sanders supporters and if it's enough to beat Clinton, that will be a lot, plus he will get some Republican crossover votes, plus all the Clinton supporters (so they claim). That is much more than just Clinton supporters plus some Sanders supporters.
Show me otherwise.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)My family has been hurt time and again by companies who just love this fucked-up policy.
Blue Hen Buckeye
(51 posts)And you can do a virtual strike - shut down their systems until they negotiate.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Computer geeks lean libertarian. They're absolutely sure that they can negotiate a better deal on their own.
Until they find themselves unemployable after hitting 40.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)Yep.
msongs
(67,412 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)What is the evidence this is all his fault? That is RW kind of thinking. On the do-nothing GOP Congress, different matter.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)that makes this kind of outsourcing easier....
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)ChromeFoundry
(3,270 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:29 AM - Edit history (1)
when to put away their pom-poms and realize that their team is not as loyal to their fans as they claimed to be, when on the campaign trail.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Marketing, A/P, Bill to Cash, VPs, Attorneys, etc etc. Most jobs just are going away.
And many many jobs are going to the other "I" country -
Ireland.
LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)many regions.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The claim was he had no effect. Not that he has to get a rubber stamp from Congress.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I thought President Obama was responsible for the Affordable Care Act.
Thanks for setting me straight.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Presidents CAN and DO push their legislation through Congress.
He may get someone to sponsor the Bill, but EVERYBODY (except you) knows EXACTLY to whom that legislation belongs.
Pop Quiz:
The ACA will be whose legacy?
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)presidents can only propose and btw it was you that said "I thought President Obama was responsible for the Affordable Care Act"
congress is responsible for it cause they enacted it.
Presidents CAN and DO push their legislation through Congress. wow is that what has been happening these 7 years potus pushing his agenda thru. congress has been a real rubber stamp haven't they?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...over legislation ?
...especially legislation they propose themselves?
The ACA WILL forever be Obama's legacy.
Medicare will ALWAYS be LBJ's legacy
The Civil Rights Act will ALWAYS be LBJ's legacy.
Social Security will Always be FDR's legacy.
NOBODY remembers which congress passed those laws.
BTW:Your claim that I think the president has sole responsibility is simply a crude Strawman.
Go study American Political History,
and THEN come back with your nonsense.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Been going on a lot longer than that.... I personally witnessed it in 1999 at my company.
I blame the greedy CEO's and management. They are the ones that make the call.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)It's just one corporate give away after another.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I will blame the CEO's and the executives... thank you.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)There's plenty of guilt to go around. This government has been one corporate give away after another for the past 35 years.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)in the 90's I saw it first hand. Bill was worried about getting his stupid ass impeached. He was not on the executive committees pushing outsourcing and H1 visas...
I will blame the self serving CEO and CFO's who made the decisions. They signed the order, they pushed the agenda in the companies they ran.
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)Yeah, me neither.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Fuck that.
8 years ago when the place where my wife had worked for 32 years fired her. they had her sign a paper that said if she said anything bad about them they would sue to get the money back. I sent it to my attorney buddy and asked him "Do you see my name anywhere on there?"
He replied "No" and then we both had an evil chuckle.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The way to strike back at these corporations and their ilk is to shine a very bright light on them, their practices and taint their "brand" to the point that they are equated to clubbing baby seals in the minds of consumers.
If these companies are allowed to continue on with "business as usual" for their brand in the market place, then shame on all of us for being complicit in the practice. Companies that do this should immediately become nonviable entities in the US market.
"Buy American" slogans are not enough...we need public shaming of these companies orders of magnitude greater than what happens now.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Had to travel to China three times. Turned out he was trading his replacements. Then he lost his job.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)no wonder the economy and the party are tanking outside of a few select sectors living off their investments
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)when it comes to IT offshoring or H1B immigration.
47of74
(18,470 posts)CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)You have to know every programming language out there, be a database expert, know networking, know web design . . . the requirements are often times ridiculous. I've wondered if they do that for the purpose of saying "we don't have enough qualified workers?" ???
47of74
(18,470 posts)And yes they are often crazy to the point where you want to ask the people who wrote them if they wanted pearls with that.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)"...that are willing to work for 1/3 the price."
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)Thav
(946 posts)It has nothing to do with actual knowledge, schooling, or ability.
jpak
(41,758 posts)If so, where is he?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Good schools with soc. services avail. would help. You have to help the low-income, troubled, at-risk, academically disinclined, LD, ADD and non-English speaking kids when they're young and give them and their families social, education, job services, etc. as needed. So the people who vote against themselves probably never got these services when they were young and are not well educated or informed. By the time these kids are adults, they don't care about politics and don't read the news. The circumstance of their childhood and habits set then = ignorance.
Without school and community interventions for children, youth and families who need them, keep expecting more of the same.
As for the gerrymandering, districts should be carved according to what watershed you're in. Watershed Districts will stop this absurd carving and hacking at the maps by the mostly repug legislatures.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts).... thankfully I left them 4 years ago, but yeah they "outsourced" IT directors, project managers, developers, QA and help desk to Cognizant. Some of those folks had nearly 20 years' of experience with the company, started from front line help desk & worked their way through CEO fiascos, bankruptcy and countless reorgs.
What happened to all their seniority? Pffft. Out the window. Now they're a nameless contractor with crappy benefits like all the others.
And what they're paying Cognizant is probably pretty close to what they were paying in sal/bene's to the people as FTE's. Only difference is that Contractor expenses can be written off.
So disgusting.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)How thoughtful.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,838 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)'Cause they're so good for Americans.
Oh ya...there is that TPP which is going to do miracles for us!
Ya...
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...buy a 2X4 of rough timber and stick it up your ass.
I've seen this stuff so much in the past 10 years my nerves have just about had it.
This crap affects everybody.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)because my cousin is involved with the Verizon layoffs going on right now with a lot of older people get cut and so many said we should unionize . I am not there but I was thinking no you should have unionized (past tense) . There is strength in numbers but once only bare bones are left it is harder to do . If they had a contract the company couldn't do insane cruel things like this OP
it would have go by how a layoff procedure was signed off on by agreement of BOTH employees and employer
Might not prevent the layoff but still unions give some control to the workers and fairness among them.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)If your particular job can be done by anyone anywhere, what is a union going to do to save that job? Going on strike can be influential, but if you do that, and the job can still get done half way around the world, what leverage do you have?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It's not clear how many people Cognizant employs in the U.S., but in 2013, David Amsden, the form's vice president of human resources, put that number at 27,000. Overall, Cognizant employed more than 171,000 at that point. (Computerworld has asked Cognizant for an updated number.)
Cengage employees offered a job with Cognizant had little choice but to take it. If they rejected the offer, they would leave without severance, said IT workers. The severance offered is two weeks of pay per year of service.
The Web-based workers that the Cengage employees are training to take over their jobs are believed to be in India.
Cognizant applies for thousands of H-1B visas annually, and is one of the top three users of the visa, according to government data. Cengage employees reached for comment didn't know what visa, if any, the contract workers in their offices were using. But they said some of these workers spoke a foreign language in the office, along with English.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Lost my tech job around NAFTA.
Been from job to job since, with shitty pay.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I generally supported NAFTA, but I now see that it did very little good in terms of trade. I oppose the TPP with every fiber in my body. With the way fast track was passed I don't see how the TPP can be stopped. The TPP is like a freight train barreling down the tracks at 200 mph and the cars are full of American workers who are going to get fucked by this.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Don't forget the torches and pitchforks . . .
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Phlem
(6,323 posts)So this notion that Sanders is just as interchangeable as Hillary is completely false on it's head.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)They obviously wish to create jobs, not maximize profits and cash in their pockets. .... Oh wait that's not what happened here.
I imagine things like this will happen until the middle class enlargens in foreign countries and then it'll be cheaper to employee people here rather than India and the like. Give it a century or two and things will work themselves back into our favor.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)fucking disgusting
dpatbrown
(368 posts)This is the perfect reason for people to work collectively and boycott all Cengage Learning products. An organized boycott. This treatment of people will continue, when companies, whose ONLY concern is to make as much money as possible for themselves, see they can do it too. Only when their bottom line is affected will there EVER be any changes in the system.
Placating Americans with football does the job.
Fla Dem
(23,677 posts)the work cheaper. There need to be penalties for companies that dissolve American's jobs and ship them offshore. Need to make it less profitable. That's the only rationale these companies will understand.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)...
But the Fed's Survey of Consumer Finances shows how uneven the distribution of that stimulus has been. Between 2010 and 2013, as recovery took hold and stock markets soared, the average net worth of families in the top 40 percent of income earners grew. For all others average net worth shrank, declining 19 percent for the middle fifth.
...
Over the six years through 2013, the middle fifth's average annual family earnings fell to $47,243 from $53,008 while their average net worth dropped to $170,066 from $236,525.
...
Obama's changing rhetoric over time appears, increasingly, to acknowledge the magnitude of the challenge.
In 2011, he called the erosion of middle class jobs a "Sputnik moment" that should energize the country to out-produce and out-innovate the rest of the world. By last year, the tone was more tempered: "The cold, hard fact is that even in the midst of recovery, too many Americans are working more than ever just to get by let alone get ahead. And too many still arent working at all," Obama said in last year's State of the Union address "Our job is to reverse these trends. It wont happen right away."
More like "it won't happen" in your lifetime. Or your kids, which is a tragedy.
Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/18/us-usa-obama-economy-idUSKBN0KR0HD20150118#xbMY1RQj0161qyCs.99
Here is an interview with the architect of those policies, Timothy "Killer" Geither, about his his book Stress Test. Within those pages he tells us why enriching bank$ter/donors is more important than providing opportunity for working families, or food for their children.
You can also listen to voters laugh at his face. Here
My hope is that we can change these policies before too many more of our neighbors in this nation are broken, or dead.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)I worked for a couple of Ohio public school IT centers for about a decade, which typically supported between ten and thirty districts each.
About three years ago, some of them started consolidating (including mine), resulting in the predicted spate of furloughs, terminations, etc., and roughly a doubling of workload for those "lucky" enough to keep their positions.
Not sure if anything was offshored in the process, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear it. The process was about as ugly as the one described in the OP.
Fuck Kasich for whatever hand he had in that. I don't say that for myself, I say it for all the already-stressed school employees who saw their IT support infrastructure gutted before their very eyes.
Thanks for the OP, OhioChick.
TBF
(32,062 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)for a long time now. Workers have no alternative to this, no representation in government, nobody appears to be looking out for the little guy. Many companies to move overseas but continue to get lucrative contracts paid for by the very taxes that people like these people in Ohio are paying while they still have a job that is. It is time for workers to stand up, or sit out, or whatever it takes to protect the work that many depend on for their livelihoods. We need to begin establishing more cooperatives in this nation, companies owned and operated by the employees that work in them, that way I doubt if jobs would be outsourced.
Some articles you might be interested in reading regarding corporations moving overseas:
http://www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/10-big-businesses-that-have-moved-abroad
http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-companies-hoard-cash-overseas-to-avoid-taxes-2013-8
burfman
(264 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)With due credit to OhioChick, of course.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about being a part of the United States workforce.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Most of the time there isn't a "Don't send a bunch of jobs overseas" option on the ballot.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)Methinks Bernie is WAY understating what is needed...
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
Then Bernie will win.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Gather everyone in a large conference room, start calling out names....
valerief
(53,235 posts)in the Employee Directory as time went on, and then the China employee numbers were the ones rising once they conquered the language barrier. Of course, the U.S. employee numbers just shrank and shrank. And, of course, the U.S. employees had to train their replacements. Even the U.S. building company cafeterias shifted their menus to Indian cuisine.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)WTF it wants to be. Just a bunch of outcasts serving a few masters, or a robust country where all share in success.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)---1st with BushCheney and now with repug Congress and SCOTUS.
I know it's hard but we need a positive attitude in this struggle
I am involved in various issues and it's the same all over. Big struggle of just folks vs. teahadists + 1%ers
wordpix
(18,652 posts)It's Inland Wetlands, concerning a big new development on former town-owned land that was donated to a non-profit group illegally. But no matter, the repukes fixed their illegality by getting the state rep to pass illegally enacted legislation to validate the giveaway.
These repugs, they're always so honest and law-abiding Just love living in this repuke town
I will say this: on conservation matters, the repukes do work to keep their neighborhoods intact. No low income housing in THEIR neighborhoods.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)others, mankind, the environment, species. If it will harm, severely endanger or disadvantage others republicans are on the bandwagon, especially for $$$$$'s at any cost to anything. They, are a repulsive and disgusting herd, and liars and cheats.
mtasselin
(666 posts)Get ready because if tpp becomes law it is going to get a whole lot worse. How any person can say that tpp is the cold standard and will be great for America has been bought off or is in the process of being bought off. America will be a third world country at best.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)The republican Governor.
freethought
(2,457 posts)Where no profit margin will ever be large enough!
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Yay! Open borders! The robots are coming next.
antigop
(12,778 posts)I hope every single one of these workers calls Sherrod's office.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)The pool of talent in India is not unlimited, and in fact is already stretched. Compound that with long communication lines, unavailability (due to time zones) and lack of business (domain) knowledge makes this a very risky investment. Many IT departments have already pulled back workers because of the quality issues with getting projects completed.
The most successful model for moving offshore is typically as a body shop where you supplement onshore with resources (such as testing, or supervised code development). Wholesale project movements will fail.
Cengage is in a business being severely disrupted at the moment and trying desperately to re-invent themselves with minimal cash-flow. This is a last gasp for this company and one which I believe will fail as they are doing nothing to really react to the change in user dynamics. They have already started moving towards lawsuits over copyrights in an attempt to delay the inevitable.
see: http://www.project-disco.org/competition/112113-the-changing-textbook-industry/
L-
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)to pass some laws in this country to prevent this stuff some laws with some teeth in them, like ballot initiative of some sort.
These same IT firms, scream and yell that they need H-1 B worker visa's to bring IT workers into the country, while at the same time shipping jobs out of the country, great way to have it both ways.
And then to top off the insult they do the following:
Cengage.................. "The employees were warned that speaking to the news media meant loss of severance. Despite their fears, they want their story told. They want people to know what's happening to IT jobs in the heartland. They don't want the offshoring of their livelihoods to pass in silence."
Corporate threats, its always with a threat.................... really-------------good on the employees to say really, you just outsourced my job and you want me to be quiet-----------------
I really hope that Bernie Sanders shows up at your door step--------------I really do
Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
antigop
(12,778 posts)....
Asked by Marketos Fernandez about how she would deal with the shortage of H-1B visas, which tech companies rely in to bring in non-U.S. workers such as computer engineers, she suggested thinking longer term and working with colleges using cash from Silicon Valley to train people in the U.S. to fill those jobs, while in the shorter term pressing for more H-1B visas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bernie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=953&v=wHhrvKlZyS4
Watch the 13:30 to 15:40 timeframe.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)really irks me. I believe I heard somewhere that the company can hire about 4 IT workers in India for the cost of one American worker. The TPP is going to take away more IT jobs after NAFTA took away the manufacturing. The question is what jobs will be next to either outsource or bring in cheaper labor?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Maybe that one went right over my head.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...after Obama opens the flood gates to cheap foreign labor.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)That will make NAFTA look like a walk in the park.
antigop
(12,778 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Simply another sign unrevealed, unappreciated, under valued by the media and politicians ... not nearly enough bodies on the field to be a bother to anyone. Yet.
Hand wringing to start in 1, 2, 3 years and then the sad sad recognition that nothing much might be done but better policy making and cooperation with business interests so it does not happen again. I don't know about you, but I've seen that movie, heard those interviews, read those reviews working out that way over the last 25-50 years and it still bores the p*ss out of me as it always ends the same. "they with more and me with less"
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)and NAFTA, and has progressively become worse over time. I have been in IT all of my life, and now here I sit at home at 60, and cannot find work. It really hit me hard in 07 with the Bush years, and I have not been able to completely recover since then.
It's quite clear to me this is the direct result of 40 years of failed politics. People are sick of it, and yes, Enough is Enough!!!
I say give Bernie a shot at it.
jopacaco
(133 posts)My nephew worked for IBM and got sent to Bosnia to train his replacement. My brother worked for General Dynamics and its predecessors for over 30 years. He was about 3 months from retirement when they had a downsizing. He thought he was safe, leaving soon and having needed expertise in an important area. On the appointed day, a group of people walked into his office and waited for him to put his belongings into a box and then escorted him out the door. He wasn't even allowed to say goodbye to people he had worked with for years. He was very upset by this treatment. I will never be able to convince him that his anti-union, right wing politics contributes to this corporate behavior. We have got to stand up for the workers in this country.
roomtomove
(217 posts)the TPP will probably allow unlimited foreign workers, putting the final nail in the coffin of the American middle class.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)This is happening at incredible rates. Remember all that bullshit from the right wing democrats about "re-training" for the information age? Millions of Americans who lost their hopes for employment went to school to relearn new technology and wham! They are being tossed out on the street as soon as Wall Street can save one fucking penny.
Where is the Democratic Party leadership? Kissing Bill Gates' ass, on it's knees in front of the Clinton class trying desperately to latch on to the big Wall Street money, fucking over millions of US families in the process. All for their own gain.
This continuing trend of outsourcing every job to Asia is going to destroy us.
Unfortunately the deniers are Democrats AND Republicans. They are literally shoveling jobs to India and China, happily destroying the middle class.
If you are a US citizen in high tech - San Jose, Seattle, Portland, DC, Austin, Boston, etc - there is a good chance you are a minority worker. If not, you will be. Soon.
Wall Street loves India with its poverty, corruption, pollution, social chaos. Keep them in slums and they'll work basically for free.
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)Along with 17 other decent paying IT jobs. The directors & VPs got to keep their jobs, though. Funny how that works, huh?
kimbutgar
(21,155 posts)We should have had a bill passed in congress penalizing these actions. Oh yeah we did but the republicans blocked it.
The CCC
(463 posts)Simple solution. Any company is free to leave any time they want. They just won't be able to sell anything in the US for 50 years after they do leave.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)In tonight's debate they should ask gov Aldrich how he plans to stop America's Outsourcing Of Jobs When He Can't Even Prevent It In His Home State?
But it's Fox so doubt that'll happen
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)What are you, SEXIST??
Joking aside, it's absolutely surreal to me how you never see the Swarm in these threads about real-life economic issues. It's like the only two things that are important are vague symbolism, slandering Bernie, and clutching pearls over how mean the rest of us are. On serious, no-shit substantive issues like this........ nothing. Not ever.
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)I always research the voting patterns of the community.
They have overwhelmingly voted republican in all presidential elections since 1996 by 70% to 30%
Here is a graph of their community makeup
And their US Congressman is Steve Chabot (R).
Odds are that 70% of the workers losing their job voted Republican if they voted at all.
And they continue to support Republicans.
What did they expect to happen?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)They are the ones doing this.
This is hideous. They deserve to go down in a big way and I hope they lose everything they have in the process.
I don't understand how any owner of a company or any board of a company would think that this is ok to do to their employees. I don't care what regulations there are on place.
Just because you can doesn't make it all right.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)There's no such thing as "American" jobs. The same way white men aren't as important as they used to be, Americans aren't as important as they used to be.
Human beings want more for less. That's been the case since the first stick was sharpened to allow for easier hunts. Or the first basket was weaved to hold more berries.
There was a specific time in world history where some Americans had it great. High paying, good, meaningful jobs. A certain context in which America existed at the time made that possible. Now the entire world is open. Billions of people competing against each other. Increasingly there will be machines competing with those billions of people. Then there's the rest of life on the planet that stands little chance against organized humanity.
Right and wrong, good and bad, these are stories we tell ourselves. Morality is subjective. Humans don't like limits, and we want more for less.
Sparky 1
(400 posts)TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Trump is better than one of our candidates on this issue. TRUMP is better on this issue! That should give some of you pause.
Francois9
(54 posts)Both have the same effect on US workers: their wages fall or they lose their jobs. But people here get excited about the consequences for tech workers, but not for kitchen workers, hotel workers, landscapers, construction workers, hospital workers and other blue collar workers who are forced out of their jobs by illegals who will work for less. This reflects the middle-class bias of posters in this thread, and elsewhere on DU.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)what he'll do about it is another story
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Nov 10, 2015 5:57 PM PT
Two of the Senate's leading H-1B reformers, Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), say abuse of the H-1B visa "is real" and the need for reform urgent. On Tuesday they introduced a new reform bill they say will protect U.S. workers.
These senators have made repeated efforts since 2007 to try to reform the H-1B program. This time, they're getting help from co-sponsors Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), where Disney replaced U.S. workers, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). Both Brown and Blumenthal signed a letter earlier this year requesting a federal review of use of H-1B workers at Southern California Edison.
"The H-1B visa program was never meant to replace qualified American workers, but it was instead intended as a means to fill gaps in highly specialized areas of employment that cannot be filled by Americans," said Grassley, in a statement.
Grassley said the "abuse of the system is real, and media reports are validating what we have argued against for years, including the fact that Americans are training their replacements," he said.
More: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3003877/it-careers/sens-grassley-durbin-launch-new-h-1b-fight.html
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and add in some age discrimination. the young turks had this chart on tonight about the average age worker in high tech. i am sure it is similar in other fields. we are getting screwed from every direction