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OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:31 PM Nov 2015

Fury and fear in Ohio as IT jobs go to India

Source: Computerworld

IT workers are training their replacements

Nov 9, 2015 3:03 AM PT

The IT workers at Cengage Learning in the company's Mason, Ohio offices learned of their fates game-show style. First, they were told to gather in a large conference room. There were vague remarks from an IT executive about a "transition." Slides were shown that listed employee names, directing them to one of three rooms where they would be told specifically what was happening to them. Some employees were cold with worry.

The biggest group, those getting pink slips, were told to remain in the large conference room. Workers directed to go through what we'll call Door No. 2, were offered employment with IT offshore outsourcing firm Cognizant. That was the smallest group. And those sent through Door No. 3 remained employed in Cengage's IT department. This happened in mid-October.

"I was so furious," said one of the IT workers over what happened. It seemed "surreal," said another. There was disbelief, but little surprise. Cengage, a major producer of educational content and services, had outsourced accounting services earlier in the year. The IT workers rightly believed they were next.

The employees were warned that speaking to the news media meant loss of severance. Despite their fears, they want their story told. They want people to know what's happening to IT jobs in the heartland. They don't want the offshoring of their livelihoods to pass in silence.


Read more: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3002681/it-outsourcing/fury-and-fear-in-ohio-as-it-jobs-go-to-india.html#tk.cwsotd

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Fury and fear in Ohio as IT jobs go to India (Original Post) OhioChick Nov 2015 OP
Far too much of this happening. SheilaT Nov 2015 #1
It's like asking people to dig their own grave. Helen Borg Nov 2015 #3
I'm surprised managment would be so dense, unfeeling and heavy-handed Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #145
I would think that's what they would do, Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #20
Agree 100% Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #60
It should not be allowed. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #68
This sounds like a great idea. n/t. Scruffy1 Nov 2015 #98
It is outrageous. But that's the way it's done. AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #147
calling Gov. Kasich....oh yeah, he's in Iowa somewhere wordpix Nov 2015 #64
Unfortuantely 47of74 Nov 2015 #88
You know what we need to fix this? jeff47 Nov 2015 #2
....and if we vote for Hillary, bvar22 Nov 2015 #7
You're absolutely right OhioChick Nov 2015 #13
....! KoKo Nov 2015 #32
The new TPP text includes closing H-1B visa quotas, so it's wide open I think. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #82
and if we elect bernie we'll lose the white house saturnsring Nov 2015 #22
If you nominate Hillary, you'll get King Nut. Carson. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #27
tit for tat is so grade school saturnsring Nov 2015 #30
Making a Global Prediction based solely on your opinion without any support.. bvar22 Nov 2015 #31
Oh really? wolfie001 Nov 2015 #51
I remember monicaangela Nov 2015 #46
Too bad the Democratic Party is backing Clinton because she raises big money. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #69
That's about the size of it monicaangela Nov 2015 #75
That would be a dream. I note that Elizabeth Warren is neutral when it comes to endorsements JDPriestly Nov 2015 #144
I agree JDPriestly monicaangela Nov 2015 #154
Not to mention, a vote for even more offshoring. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #135
potus is more international you really want bernie in congress where he can focus on changing saturnsring Nov 2015 #97
Go read the TPP monicaangela Nov 2015 #113
I finally know why the MSM is backing Hillary zalinda Nov 2015 #101
I agree wholeheartedly zalinda monicaangela Nov 2015 #112
Bernie Sanders will get more votes in the General than Clinton. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #73
Gigantic Plus One! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #50
+1. That is why I cannot support her -- that issue alone. AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #148
An IT workers Union is what we need to fix this. Blue Hen Buckeye Nov 2015 #127
Not going to happen. jeff47 Nov 2015 #139
Thanks for posting. raccoon Nov 2015 #4
thanks obama and congress. and eff both of you nt msongs Nov 2015 #5
I'll second that. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #9
Likewise. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #29
You forgot the sarcasm emoticon for President Obama?? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #12
Well, there's this big treaty he's pushing to get through Congress jeff47 Nov 2015 #35
Yooj Plus One! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #48
that does not sound good, if true wordpix Nov 2015 #65
Some people can't see the forest for the corporate-owned trees Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #70
Some people just have a hard time knowing... ChromeFoundry Nov 2015 #107
potus doesnt write laws remember? saturnsring Nov 2015 #25
Verizon is going through this right now. They are hiring in India though. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #28
Not just IT though - entire offices shut down JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #80
I caught 1 estimate of 20% cut. I find it hard to believe but if they are cutting out that LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #81
He does negotiate free trade treaties though. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #36
which have to be approved by congress saturnsring Nov 2015 #124
And? jeff47 Nov 2015 #137
..and ALL this time, bvar22 Nov 2015 #123
omg you really think he enacted that all by himself saturnsring Nov 2015 #126
That is a wild jump to a rediculous conclusion. bvar22 Nov 2015 #130
congress enacted it so to me it's this congress' legacy of which obama was potus. saturnsring Nov 2015 #141
Are you really denying that Presidents do NOT have influence... bvar22 Nov 2015 #142
PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #49
Obama? mikeysnot Nov 2015 #57
You can thank Bill Clinton and NAFTA also. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #71
So Bill is forcing the poor poor CEO's to do this? mikeysnot Nov 2015 #128
Forced? No. Colluded with? Sure. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #140
I was there mikeysnot Nov 2015 #162
Ever seen a CEO, VP or Director get outsourced? CrispyQ Nov 2015 #119
I thought you quit DU, like twice in the past couple of weeks. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #129
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #6
The employees were warned that speaking to the news media meant loss of severance hobbit709 Nov 2015 #8
You are 100% correct... Moostache Nov 2015 #109
An InLaw True Blue American Nov 2015 #10
well, at least we have ONE party against H1Bs and neoliber--wait, we don't? MisterP Nov 2015 #11
Man, this doesn't seem to fit the "we don't have enough qualified workers" narrative I keep hearing Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #14
Yeah that "we don't have enough qualified workers" is a line of bullshit 47of74 Nov 2015 #87
Have you read an IT job posting? CrispyQ Nov 2015 #120
Yes I have. 47of74 Nov 2015 #121
They leave out the last part: Hydra Nov 2015 #96
+10 The big ugly omission, American workers can't be found.. 'to work for one third the pay' appalachiablue Nov 2015 #114
"Qualified" means "Able to do the work for $5 a day." Thav Nov 2015 #115
Is there a repug gov. from OH that is running for Prez? jpak Nov 2015 #15
And once again. Why do they keep voting against themselves? jwirr Nov 2015 #43
low education, low information voters + gerrymandering wordpix Nov 2015 #67
See post #44. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #47
Kasich in Iowa, or maybe NH--clueless about his own state, apparently wordpix Nov 2015 #66
Kick, for what's staring us in the face (nt) Babel_17 Nov 2015 #16
The Insurance Company I used to work for did this last year ... Myrina Nov 2015 #17
........ daleanime Nov 2015 #18
And right before the holidays! closeupready Nov 2015 #19
Cengage is such a mess of a company. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2015 #21
Better vote in some more Pukes and Baggers... SoapBox Nov 2015 #23
Any time you hear the word "transition", (as in the article) rush down to Home Depot.. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #24
unionize? saturnsring Nov 2015 #26
I was thinking that would at least give some fairness to the scenario per contract. I was looking at a layoff site Person 2713 Nov 2015 #33
Unions have strength when place matters The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #108
Here's more snips about "Cognizant" based in Teaneck, NJ --From the Article KoKo Nov 2015 #34
Feel sorry for these guys. Phlem Nov 2015 #37
+100%! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #45
I'm sorry to hear that Phlem davidpdx Nov 2015 #99
Corporatism is a cancer that must be wiped off the face of the Earth n/t gregcrawford Nov 2015 #38
+1 Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #72
I can't agree with that more. Phlem Nov 2015 #84
Remember rich people (i.e CEOs) are the job creators Victor_c3 Nov 2015 #39
according to DU's corporate whores, this is "helping poor people" Skittles Nov 2015 #40
Prime example! dpatbrown Nov 2015 #41
This has been happening for 20 years. If not outsourcing, then bringing in workers to do Fla Dem Nov 2015 #42
Rob Portman and John Kasich support the TPP. Couple of dumb ass Republicans. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #44
Hear, hear!!!! monicaangela Nov 2015 #155
Middle class decline looms over final years of Obama presidency jtuck004 Nov 2015 #52
Those will be some very poorly trained replacements and some fucked computers. DamnYankeeInHouston Nov 2015 #53
Depressing as hell. bvf Nov 2015 #54
TPP - more to come. nt TBF Nov 2015 #55
This has been a trend monicaangela Nov 2015 #56
Last Task After Layoff at Disney: Train Foreign Replacements burfman Nov 2015 #61
Thanks for the link burfman! monicaangela Nov 2015 #78
Your sig line is so appropriate! passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #58
I actually have that printed out in really fancy type and tacked to the wall of my cubicle. AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #149
There is no one to blame but ourselves for allowing this to happen. You get what you vote for. YOHABLO Nov 2015 #59
Both parties wholeheartedly support this. JoeyT Nov 2015 #103
Yeah, sure, we need a "political revolution" ymetca Nov 2015 #62
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2015 #76
Reminds me of when Saddam Hussein purged the Baath Party in the 70's Throd Nov 2015 #63
I remember where I worked we used to see the India employee numbers climb and climb valerief Nov 2015 #74
Yet another day in the outsourcing of America. One day the US needs to come to grips with RKP5637 Nov 2015 #77
yes but keep the faith, baby, we are still in the ditch of Repukedom wordpix Nov 2015 #79
... RKP5637 Nov 2015 #86
going to a big local hearing in my repuke town tonight wordpix Nov 2015 #116
I was just saying here at home this morning, anything the republicans stand for is to disadvantage RKP5637 Nov 2015 #131
get ready mtasselin Nov 2015 #83
Must Save the Rich!!!!! Vote Hillary!!!! Phlem Nov 2015 #85
disgusting republicans rockfordfile Nov 2015 #89
Welcome to capitalism! freethought Nov 2015 #90
Free trade of labor and services Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #91
precisely why Sherrod Brown should NOT be supporting Hillary! antigop Nov 2015 #92
Cengage is on the way out then... Lithos Nov 2015 #93
Maybe its time for the polictal cowards in this country......................... turbinetree Nov 2015 #94
H-1B: Bernie vs. Hillary antigop Nov 2015 #95
The outsourcing of jobs overseas and the use of H1-B visas to bring in cheaper labor davidpdx Nov 2015 #100
Would you like some fries with that? bvar22 Nov 2015 #125
Not sure what your point was. davidpdx Nov 2015 #152
Job Training for American College Graduates... bvar22 Nov 2015 #158
Yes, very true davidpdx Nov 2015 #161
But they will vote for the woman who called TPP the gold standard. onecaliberal Nov 2015 #102
and who supports an increase in the H-1B visa limits. nt antigop Nov 2015 #132
Good Luck with That ... no one sees the bottom of the barrel until they drink too deep of the foam.. NotHardly Nov 2015 #104
It started with Clinton SmittynMo Nov 2015 #105
Unfortunately this is not new jopacaco Nov 2015 #106
Not to worry... roomtomove Nov 2015 #110
H1Bs are being brought in from India to fire American workers and outsource their jobs to India whereisjustice Nov 2015 #111
Hubby's IT job went to Hyderabad in January 2015. CrispyQ Nov 2015 #117
They should be taxing the hell out of these companies kimbutgar Nov 2015 #118
Fury and fear in Ohio as IT jobs go to India The CCC Nov 2015 #122
kick nt antigop Nov 2015 #133
Unfortunately Our Absent Governor Running For President Doesn't Give A SHIT! Corey_Baker08 Nov 2015 #134
But hey, you're forgetting something: Hillary is a WOMAN. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #136
When I hear stories like this ... aggiesal Nov 2015 #138
after three decades of bipartisan neoliberalism that sounds almost--childish MisterP Nov 2015 #146
Kick Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #143
Personally, I would blame the owners of the company. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2015 #150
A job is a job The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #156
Is there any way we consumers can put financial pressure on Cengage and let them know why? Sparky 1 Nov 2015 #151
It's not good when TheFarseer Nov 2015 #153
What is the difference between H1b visas and illegal immigration? Francois9 Nov 2015 #157
I will say this about Trump: he gets this issue BUT wordpix Nov 2015 #159
Sens. Grassley, Durbin launch new H-1B fight OhioChick Nov 2015 #160
tpp will make this so much worse restorefreedom Nov 2015 #163
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Far too much of this happening.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:34 PM
Nov 2015

I wish that those who were required to train their replacements could just tell the company to shove it and walk away. It's not often a realistic alternative, alas.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
145. I'm surprised managment would be so dense, unfeeling and heavy-handed
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

I mean, laid-off employees have shot up their offices for much less than this...

I'm not saying that's what should happen here, but still...

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
20. I would think that's what they would do,
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

but their severance pay is on the line. That amounts to blackmail, train your replacement or you won't get your severance package. That's outrageous!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
68. It should not be allowed.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:52 PM
Nov 2015

Congress could pass a bill requiring companies to set aside a certain amount of money in a trust fund for severance pay when firing employees and make bribing employees to be silent about the company illegal.

That would help us discover a lot of fraud and malfeasance in the corporate world.

Those who know are silenced by severance payments. The severance payments should be automatic and should come from a trust fund set up by the company for that purpose. Same for pension funds of a company. They should be placed in trust from the get-go.


 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
88. Unfortuantely
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:03 PM
Nov 2015

I cannot stand all these dumb fuck piece of shit Republicans milling about here in Iowa with 30 pieces of silver at the ready for the idiots who vote for them.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
82. The new TPP text includes closing H-1B visa quotas, so it's wide open I think.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:12 PM
Nov 2015

Unbelievable. Even more pain for current and future US workers, and devastation for our country and economy.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
31. Making a Global Prediction based solely on your opinion without any support..
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:36 PM
Nov 2015

...and stating it as fact is what is really "grade school".

I happen to believe that is we nominate Hillary, not only will she lose the White House (badly),
but the down tickets Dems will suffer too.

wolfie001

(2,240 posts)
51. Oh really?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015

Pure bs. Sorry, but it's pretty apparent to the broad spectrum of voters that Carson is un-electable. Let the repukes throw their $ away on that sociopath.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
46. I remember
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:23 PM
Nov 2015

hearing that type of nonsense back in 2007. If we nominate Obama and not Hillary, we will lose the White House in the general. When will people learn, there isn't an opponent in the republican primary that can beat either Hillary or Bernie...so sense Bernie is the best candidate, we should fight to make sure he wins the nomination and forget about this propaganda war the MSM is waging in order to put Hillary and Bill back into office for a second time as if once wasn't enough. Too bad the MSM is backing candidates according to how much money they can make if that candidate is elected, and how much money they can make in the primary and then in the general from supporting the candidate. Wake up, this is an election, not a coronation. The time for the Clintons has passed, give Sanders a chance.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
69. Too bad the Democratic Party is backing Clinton because she raises big money.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

Remember. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Citizens United.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
75. That's about the size of it
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:38 PM
Nov 2015

JDPriestly. A vote for Citizens United, Wall Street, and many other entities that have us in this period of Austerity at the present moment. Warren would have taken the nomination in a cake walk IMHO. Too bad she decided not to run. I sure wish she would reconsider and give Bernie a boost by endorsing him and then later agreeing to become his VP...that in my opinion would be awesome.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
144. That would be a dream. I note that Elizabeth Warren is neutral when it comes to endorsements
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

but is using much the same language on a number of issues as is Bernie. There's hope.

Usually, though, a vice presidential candidate comes from a different region of the country than the presidential candidate. That was not true in George W. Bush's case. The reality was that Cheney was also from Texas. There was controversy over whether the two candidates were from different states. They are required to be by tradition if not by law. I'm not sure on that point.

Elizabeth Warren is, of course, from a different state than Bernie, and was originally from Oklahoma. She also lived in Texas.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
154. I agree JDPriestly
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

a dream we need to help to become a reality. You are absolutely correct, she hasn't endorsed any of the candidates, and that is imho good strategy on her part. It is much to early in this primary race to be able to decide which candidate one should endorse, if you have as much cred as she does with the democratic parties base. I admire her wish to stay in congress and do her best to get legislation passed that will help promote those policies that will help the middle class and poor in this nation. I admire her tenacity when it comes to calling out corporate America for their greed and obsessive need to usurp the wealth of this nation and the rest of the world. I understand what an enormous decision it would be to run on a ticket as VP, but I do believe that she could easily go from VP to President without a lot of effort, especially if a Sanders Presidency is successful, something I believe would come to fruition if the people of this country would give him an opportunity.

Btw, have you seen this:



America needs Senator Warren in the Executive Branch NOW!

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
135. Not to mention, a vote for even more offshoring.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

Once she "evolves" back on the TPP, of course--which no doubt would happen promptly after the inauguration.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
97. potus is more international you really want bernie in congress where he can focus on changing
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:10 AM
Nov 2015

national laws

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
113. Go read the TPP
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:55 AM
Nov 2015

Then tell me the Presidency is not going to be important and that we need someone working on national legislation. We need someone that is going to promote or prevent policies that are not in the best interest of the people of this country. The Executive branch is where that can happen. Bernie Sanders is the person that I feel will have the best interest of this nation at heart and will do the right thing when it comes to signing legislation into law.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
101. I finally know why the MSM is backing Hillary
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:12 AM
Nov 2015

They made a fortune from Bill's great adventure in the White House. And, now Hillary is creating the same type of drama. As SOS she wasn't heard about much, but when she started running, damn the floodgates opened with Hillary all the time. Emails and Benghazi 24/7, so much air time, and so much money.

The way Bill and Hillary operate there will 'scandal' after 'scandal', they can't seem to just come out with the truth and end the conversation. They drip the information so that instead of a one week cycle, it can go on for months. It's like a damn soap opera.

Z

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
112. I agree wholeheartedly zalinda
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

The Clinton's have learned to cash in on controversy and are doing so hand over fist, with so much controversy surrounding this family, I don't see how the electorate can possibly believe Hillary will be able to peacefully serve in the position of President. I suppose the old saying is true "How soon they forget."


“It’s all fine to say, “Time will heal everything, this too shall pass away. People will forget”—and things like that when you are not involved, but when you are there is no passage of time, people do not forget and you are in the middle of something that does not change.”
~~~~~~~~~― John Steinbeck

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
73. Bernie Sanders will get more votes in the General than Clinton.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:35 PM
Nov 2015

He will have all of the Sanders supporters and if it's enough to beat Clinton, that will be a lot, plus he will get some Republican crossover votes, plus all the Clinton supporters (so they claim). That is much more than just Clinton supporters plus some Sanders supporters.

Show me otherwise.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
148. +1. That is why I cannot support her -- that issue alone.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:27 PM
Nov 2015

My family has been hurt time and again by companies who just love this fucked-up policy.

Blue Hen Buckeye

(51 posts)
127. An IT workers Union is what we need to fix this.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:48 PM
Nov 2015

And you can do a virtual strike - shut down their systems until they negotiate.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
139. Not going to happen.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

Computer geeks lean libertarian. They're absolutely sure that they can negotiate a better deal on their own.

Until they find themselves unemployable after hitting 40.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
4. Thanks for posting.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:40 PM
Nov 2015
Said another worker about offshore outsourcing: "I think it's what's killing the American economy -- the middle class jobs are going away."


Yep.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. You forgot the sarcasm emoticon for President Obama??
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:52 PM
Nov 2015

What is the evidence this is all his fault? That is RW kind of thinking. On the do-nothing GOP Congress, different matter.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. Well, there's this big treaty he's pushing to get through Congress
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

that makes this kind of outsourcing easier....

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
107. Some people just have a hard time knowing...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:19 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:29 AM - Edit history (1)

when to put away their pom-poms and realize that their team is not as loyal to their fans as they claimed to be, when on the campaign trail.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
80. Not just IT though - entire offices shut down
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

Marketing, A/P, Bill to Cash, VPs, Attorneys, etc etc. Most jobs just are going away.

And many many jobs are going to the other "I" country -

Ireland.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
123. ..and ALL this time,
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

I thought President Obama was responsible for the Affordable Care Act.
Thanks for setting me straight.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
130. That is a wild jump to a rediculous conclusion.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:07 PM
Nov 2015

Presidents CAN and DO push their legislation through Congress.
He may get someone to sponsor the Bill, but EVERYBODY (except you) knows EXACTLY to whom that legislation belongs.

Pop Quiz:
The ACA will be whose legacy?

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
141. congress enacted it so to me it's this congress' legacy of which obama was potus.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

presidents can only propose and btw it was you that said "I thought President Obama was responsible for the Affordable Care Act"

congress is responsible for it cause they enacted it.

Presidents CAN and DO push their legislation through Congress. wow is that what has been happening these 7 years potus pushing his agenda thru. congress has been a real rubber stamp haven't they?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
142. Are you really denying that Presidents do NOT have influence...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:24 PM
Nov 2015

...over legislation ?
...especially legislation they propose themselves?

The ACA WILL forever be Obama's legacy.
Medicare will ALWAYS be LBJ's legacy
The Civil Rights Act will ALWAYS be LBJ's legacy.
Social Security will Always be FDR's legacy.

NOBODY remembers which congress passed those laws.

BTW:Your claim that I think the president has sole responsibility is simply a crude Strawman.
Go study American Political History,
and THEN come back with your nonsense.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
57. Obama?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:59 PM
Nov 2015

Been going on a lot longer than that.... I personally witnessed it in 1999 at my company.

I blame the greedy CEO's and management. They are the ones that make the call.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
128. So Bill is forcing the poor poor CEO's to do this?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

I will blame the CEO's and the executives... thank you.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
140. Forced? No. Colluded with? Sure.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:41 PM
Nov 2015

There's plenty of guilt to go around. This government has been one corporate give away after another for the past 35 years.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
162. I was there
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:55 PM
Nov 2015

in the 90's I saw it first hand. Bill was worried about getting his stupid ass impeached. He was not on the executive committees pushing outsourcing and H1 visas...


I will blame the self serving CEO and CFO's who made the decisions. They signed the order, they pushed the agenda in the companies they ran.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. The employees were warned that speaking to the news media meant loss of severance
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:46 PM
Nov 2015

Fuck that.

8 years ago when the place where my wife had worked for 32 years fired her. they had her sign a paper that said if she said anything bad about them they would sue to get the money back. I sent it to my attorney buddy and asked him "Do you see my name anywhere on there?"
He replied "No" and then we both had an evil chuckle.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
109. You are 100% correct...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:17 AM
Nov 2015

The way to strike back at these corporations and their ilk is to shine a very bright light on them, their practices and taint their "brand" to the point that they are equated to clubbing baby seals in the minds of consumers.

If these companies are allowed to continue on with "business as usual" for their brand in the market place, then shame on all of us for being complicit in the practice. Companies that do this should immediately become nonviable entities in the US market.

"Buy American" slogans are not enough...we need public shaming of these companies orders of magnitude greater than what happens now.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
10. An InLaw
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:50 PM
Nov 2015

Had to travel to China three times. Turned out he was trading his replacements. Then he lost his job.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
11. well, at least we have ONE party against H1Bs and neoliber--wait, we don't?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015

no wonder the economy and the party are tanking outside of a few select sectors living off their investments

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
14. Man, this doesn't seem to fit the "we don't have enough qualified workers" narrative I keep hearing
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

when it comes to IT offshoring or H1B immigration.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
120. Have you read an IT job posting?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:46 PM
Nov 2015

You have to know every programming language out there, be a database expert, know networking, know web design . . . the requirements are often times ridiculous. I've wondered if they do that for the purpose of saying "we don't have enough qualified workers?" ???

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
121. Yes I have.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

And yes they are often crazy to the point where you want to ask the people who wrote them if they wanted pearls with that.

Thav

(946 posts)
115. "Qualified" means "Able to do the work for $5 a day."
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:47 AM
Nov 2015

It has nothing to do with actual knowledge, schooling, or ability.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
67. low education, low information voters + gerrymandering
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:48 PM
Nov 2015

Good schools with soc. services avail. would help. You have to help the low-income, troubled, at-risk, academically disinclined, LD, ADD and non-English speaking kids when they're young and give them and their families social, education, job services, etc. as needed. So the people who vote against themselves probably never got these services when they were young and are not well educated or informed. By the time these kids are adults, they don't care about politics and don't read the news. The circumstance of their childhood and habits set then = ignorance.

Without school and community interventions for children, youth and families who need them, keep expecting more of the same.

As for the gerrymandering, districts should be carved according to what watershed you're in. Watershed Districts will stop this absurd carving and hacking at the maps by the mostly repug legislatures.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
17. The Insurance Company I used to work for did this last year ...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

.... thankfully I left them 4 years ago, but yeah they "outsourced" IT directors, project managers, developers, QA and help desk to Cognizant. Some of those folks had nearly 20 years' of experience with the company, started from front line help desk & worked their way through CEO fiascos, bankruptcy and countless reorgs.

What happened to all their seniority? Pffft. Out the window. Now they're a nameless contractor with crappy benefits like all the others.

And what they're paying Cognizant is probably pretty close to what they were paying in sal/bene's to the people as FTE's. Only difference is that Contractor expenses can be written off.

So disgusting.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
23. Better vote in some more Pukes and Baggers...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

'Cause they're so good for Americans.

Oh ya...there is that TPP which is going to do miracles for us!

Ya...

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
24. Any time you hear the word "transition", (as in the article) rush down to Home Depot..
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

...buy a 2X4 of rough timber and stick it up your ass.
I've seen this stuff so much in the past 10 years my nerves have just about had it.
This crap affects everybody.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
33. I was thinking that would at least give some fairness to the scenario per contract. I was looking at a layoff site
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:46 PM
Nov 2015

because my cousin is involved with the Verizon layoffs going on right now with a lot of older people get cut and so many said we should unionize . I am not there but I was thinking no you should have unionized (past tense) . There is strength in numbers but once only bare bones are left it is harder to do . If they had a contract the company couldn't do insane cruel things like this OP
it would have go by how a layoff procedure was signed off on by agreement of BOTH employees and employer
Might not prevent the layoff but still unions give some control to the workers and fairness among them.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
108. Unions have strength when place matters
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:08 AM
Nov 2015

If your particular job can be done by anyone anywhere, what is a union going to do to save that job? Going on strike can be influential, but if you do that, and the job can still get done half way around the world, what leverage do you have?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
34. Here's more snips about "Cognizant" based in Teaneck, NJ --From the Article
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:49 PM
Nov 2015
Cognizant, based in Teaneck, N.J., employees about 219,000 people, most of them in offshore locations.

It's not clear how many people Cognizant employs in the U.S., but in 2013, David Amsden, the form's vice president of human resources, put that number at 27,000. Overall, Cognizant employed more than 171,000 at that point. (Computerworld has asked Cognizant for an updated number.)

Cengage employees offered a job with Cognizant had little choice but to take it. If they rejected the offer, they would leave without severance, said IT workers. The severance offered is two weeks of pay per year of service.

The Web-based workers that the Cengage employees are training to take over their jobs are believed to be in India.

Cognizant applies for thousands of H-1B visas annually, and is one of the top three users of the visa, according to government data. Cengage employees reached for comment didn't know what visa, if any, the contract workers in their offices were using. But they said some of these workers spoke a foreign language in the office, along with English.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
37. Feel sorry for these guys.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

Lost my tech job around NAFTA.

Been from job to job since, with shitty pay.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
99. I'm sorry to hear that Phlem
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:04 AM
Nov 2015

I generally supported NAFTA, but I now see that it did very little good in terms of trade. I oppose the TPP with every fiber in my body. With the way fast track was passed I don't see how the TPP can be stopped. The TPP is like a freight train barreling down the tracks at 200 mph and the cars are full of American workers who are going to get fucked by this.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
72. +1
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:30 PM
Nov 2015

Don't forget the torches and pitchforks . . .
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Phlem

(6,323 posts)
84. I can't agree with that more.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:37 PM
Nov 2015

So this notion that Sanders is just as interchangeable as Hillary is completely false on it's head.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
39. Remember rich people (i.e CEOs) are the job creators
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:03 PM
Nov 2015

They obviously wish to create jobs, not maximize profits and cash in their pockets. .... Oh wait that's not what happened here.

I imagine things like this will happen until the middle class enlargens in foreign countries and then it'll be cheaper to employee people here rather than India and the like. Give it a century or two and things will work themselves back into our favor.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
41. Prime example!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:04 PM
Nov 2015

This is the perfect reason for people to work collectively and boycott all Cengage Learning products. An organized boycott. This treatment of people will continue, when companies, whose ONLY concern is to make as much money as possible for themselves, see they can do it too. Only when their bottom line is affected will there EVER be any changes in the system.

Placating Americans with football does the job.

Fla Dem

(23,677 posts)
42. This has been happening for 20 years. If not outsourcing, then bringing in workers to do
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:07 PM
Nov 2015

the work cheaper. There need to be penalties for companies that dissolve American's jobs and ship them offshore. Need to make it less profitable. That's the only rationale these companies will understand.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
52. Middle class decline looms over final years of Obama presidency
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:34 PM
Nov 2015

...
But the Fed's Survey of Consumer Finances shows how uneven the distribution of that stimulus has been. Between 2010 and 2013, as recovery took hold and stock markets soared, the average net worth of families in the top 40 percent of income earners grew. For all others average net worth shrank, declining 19 percent for the middle fifth.
...
Over the six years through 2013, the middle fifth's average annual family earnings fell to $47,243 from $53,008 while their average net worth dropped to $170,066 from $236,525.
...
Obama's changing rhetoric over time appears, increasingly, to acknowledge the magnitude of the challenge.

In 2011, he called the erosion of middle class jobs a "Sputnik moment" that should energize the country to out-produce and out-innovate the rest of the world. By last year, the tone was more tempered: "The cold, hard fact is that even in the midst of recovery, too many Americans are working more than ever just to get by – let alone get ahead. And too many still aren’t working at all," Obama said in last year's State of the Union address "Our job is to reverse these trends. It won’t happen right away."


More like "it won't happen" in your lifetime. Or your kids, which is a tragedy.

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/18/us-usa-obama-economy-idUSKBN0KR0HD20150118#xbMY1RQj0161qyCs.99

Here is an interview with the architect of those policies, Timothy "Killer" Geither, about his his book Stress Test. Within those pages he tells us why enriching bank$ter/donors is more important than providing opportunity for working families, or food for their children.

You can also listen to voters laugh at his face. Here

My hope is that we can change these policies before too many more of our neighbors in this nation are broken, or dead.
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
54. Depressing as hell.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:36 PM
Nov 2015

I worked for a couple of Ohio public school IT centers for about a decade, which typically supported between ten and thirty districts each.

About three years ago, some of them started consolidating (including mine), resulting in the predicted spate of furloughs, terminations, etc., and roughly a doubling of workload for those "lucky" enough to keep their positions.

Not sure if anything was offshored in the process, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear it. The process was about as ugly as the one described in the OP.

Fuck Kasich for whatever hand he had in that. I don't say that for myself, I say it for all the already-stressed school employees who saw their IT support infrastructure gutted before their very eyes.

Thanks for the OP, OhioChick.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
56. This has been a trend
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

for a long time now. Workers have no alternative to this, no representation in government, nobody appears to be looking out for the little guy. Many companies to move overseas but continue to get lucrative contracts paid for by the very taxes that people like these people in Ohio are paying while they still have a job that is. It is time for workers to stand up, or sit out, or whatever it takes to protect the work that many depend on for their livelihoods. We need to begin establishing more cooperatives in this nation, companies owned and operated by the employees that work in them, that way I doubt if jobs would be outsourced.

Some articles you might be interested in reading regarding corporations moving overseas:

http://www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/10-big-businesses-that-have-moved-abroad

http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-companies-hoard-cash-overseas-to-avoid-taxes-2013-8

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
149. I actually have that printed out in really fancy type and tacked to the wall of my cubicle.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

With due credit to OhioChick, of course.

That pretty much sums up how I feel about being a part of the United States workforce.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
103. Both parties wholeheartedly support this.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:42 AM
Nov 2015

Most of the time there isn't a "Don't send a bunch of jobs overseas" option on the ballot.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
76. Like I have said before.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:41 PM
Nov 2015

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
63. Reminds me of when Saddam Hussein purged the Baath Party in the 70's
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nov 2015

Gather everyone in a large conference room, start calling out names....

valerief

(53,235 posts)
74. I remember where I worked we used to see the India employee numbers climb and climb
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:35 PM
Nov 2015

in the Employee Directory as time went on, and then the China employee numbers were the ones rising once they conquered the language barrier. Of course, the U.S. employee numbers just shrank and shrank. And, of course, the U.S. employees had to train their replacements. Even the U.S. building company cafeterias shifted their menus to Indian cuisine.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
77. Yet another day in the outsourcing of America. One day the US needs to come to grips with
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:45 PM
Nov 2015

WTF it wants to be. Just a bunch of outcasts serving a few masters, or a robust country where all share in success.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
79. yes but keep the faith, baby, we are still in the ditch of Repukedom
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:02 PM
Nov 2015

---1st with BushCheney and now with repug Congress and SCOTUS.

I know it's hard but we need a positive attitude in this struggle

I am involved in various issues and it's the same all over. Big struggle of just folks vs. teahadists + 1%ers

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
116. going to a big local hearing in my repuke town tonight
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:00 PM
Nov 2015

It's Inland Wetlands, concerning a big new development on former town-owned land that was donated to a non-profit group illegally. But no matter, the repukes fixed their illegality by getting the state rep to pass illegally enacted legislation to validate the giveaway.

These repugs, they're always so honest and law-abiding Just love living in this repuke town

I will say this: on conservation matters, the repukes do work to keep their neighborhoods intact. No low income housing in THEIR neighborhoods.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
131. I was just saying here at home this morning, anything the republicans stand for is to disadvantage
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

others, mankind, the environment, species. If it will harm, severely endanger or disadvantage others republicans are on the bandwagon, especially for $$$$$'s at any cost to anything. They, are a repulsive and disgusting herd, and liars and cheats.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
83. get ready
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:16 PM
Nov 2015

Get ready because if tpp becomes law it is going to get a whole lot worse. How any person can say that tpp is the cold standard and will be great for America has been bought off or is in the process of being bought off. America will be a third world country at best.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
92. precisely why Sherrod Brown should NOT be supporting Hillary!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:24 PM
Nov 2015


I hope every single one of these workers calls Sherrod's office.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
93. Cengage is on the way out then...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:25 PM
Nov 2015

The pool of talent in India is not unlimited, and in fact is already stretched. Compound that with long communication lines, unavailability (due to time zones) and lack of business (domain) knowledge makes this a very risky investment. Many IT departments have already pulled back workers because of the quality issues with getting projects completed.

The most successful model for moving offshore is typically as a body shop where you supplement onshore with resources (such as testing, or supervised code development). Wholesale project movements will fail.

Cengage is in a business being severely disrupted at the moment and trying desperately to re-invent themselves with minimal cash-flow. This is a last gasp for this company and one which I believe will fail as they are doing nothing to really react to the change in user dynamics. They have already started moving towards lawsuits over copyrights in an attempt to delay the inevitable.

see: http://www.project-disco.org/competition/112113-the-changing-textbook-industry/



L-

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
94. Maybe its time for the polictal cowards in this country.........................
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

to pass some laws in this country to prevent this stuff some laws with some teeth in them, like ballot initiative of some sort.

These same IT firms, scream and yell that they need H-1 B worker visa's to bring IT workers into the country, while at the same time shipping jobs out of the country, great way to have it both ways.


And then to top off the insult they do the following:
Cengage.................. "The employees were warned that speaking to the news media meant loss of severance. Despite their fears, they want their story told. They want people to know what's happening to IT jobs in the heartland. They don't want the offshoring of their livelihoods to pass in silence."

Corporate threats, its always with a threat.................... really-------------good on the employees to say really, you just outsourced my job and you want me to be quiet-----------------


I really hope that Bernie Sanders shows up at your door step--------------I really do

Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



antigop

(12,778 posts)
95. H-1B: Bernie vs. Hillary
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:41 PM
Nov 2015

April, 2014:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2014/04/08/hillary-clinton-comes-to-san-francisco-talks-tech-immigration-and-whether-shell-run-for-office/

Hillary Clinton came to San Francisco Tuesday and filled the house at a marketing conference, where she was the keynote speaker. Clinton discussed topics ranging from immigration reform and Vladimir Putin’s misdeeds to incorporating social media in the State Department and instilling a willingness at the Department to take risks.
....
Asked by Marketo’s Fernandez about how she would deal with the shortage of H-1B visas, which tech companies rely in to bring in non-U.S. workers such as computer engineers, she suggested thinking longer term and working with colleges –using cash from Silicon Valley – to train people in the U.S. to fill those jobs, while in the shorter term pressing for more H-1B visas.



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bernie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=953&v=wHhrvKlZyS4

Watch the 13:30 to 15:40 timeframe.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
100. The outsourcing of jobs overseas and the use of H1-B visas to bring in cheaper labor
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:08 AM
Nov 2015

really irks me. I believe I heard somewhere that the company can hire about 4 IT workers in India for the cost of one American worker. The TPP is going to take away more IT jobs after NAFTA took away the manufacturing. The question is what jobs will be next to either outsource or bring in cheaper labor?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
158. Job Training for American College Graduates...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:19 PM
Nov 2015

...after Obama opens the flood gates to cheap foreign labor.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
102. But they will vote for the woman who called TPP the gold standard.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:16 AM
Nov 2015

That will make NAFTA look like a walk in the park.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
104. Good Luck with That ... no one sees the bottom of the barrel until they drink too deep of the foam..
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:36 AM
Nov 2015

Simply another sign unrevealed, unappreciated, under valued by the media and politicians ... not nearly enough bodies on the field to be a bother to anyone. Yet.

Hand wringing to start in 1, 2, 3 years and then the sad sad recognition that nothing much might be done but better policy making and cooperation with business interests so it does not happen again. I don't know about you, but I've seen that movie, heard those interviews, read those reviews working out that way over the last 25-50 years and it still bores the p*ss out of me as it always ends the same. "they with more and me with less"

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
105. It started with Clinton
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:43 AM
Nov 2015

and NAFTA, and has progressively become worse over time. I have been in IT all of my life, and now here I sit at home at 60, and cannot find work. It really hit me hard in 07 with the Bush years, and I have not been able to completely recover since then.

It's quite clear to me this is the direct result of 40 years of failed politics. People are sick of it, and yes, Enough is Enough!!!

I say give Bernie a shot at it.

jopacaco

(133 posts)
106. Unfortunately this is not new
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:30 AM
Nov 2015

My nephew worked for IBM and got sent to Bosnia to train his replacement. My brother worked for General Dynamics and its predecessors for over 30 years. He was about 3 months from retirement when they had a downsizing. He thought he was safe, leaving soon and having needed expertise in an important area. On the appointed day, a group of people walked into his office and waited for him to put his belongings into a box and then escorted him out the door. He wasn't even allowed to say goodbye to people he had worked with for years. He was very upset by this treatment. I will never be able to convince him that his anti-union, right wing politics contributes to this corporate behavior. We have got to stand up for the workers in this country.

roomtomove

(217 posts)
110. Not to worry...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:21 AM
Nov 2015

the TPP will probably allow unlimited foreign workers, putting the final nail in the coffin of the American middle class.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
111. H1Bs are being brought in from India to fire American workers and outsource their jobs to India
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:34 AM
Nov 2015

This is happening at incredible rates. Remember all that bullshit from the right wing democrats about "re-training" for the information age? Millions of Americans who lost their hopes for employment went to school to relearn new technology and wham! They are being tossed out on the street as soon as Wall Street can save one fucking penny.

Where is the Democratic Party leadership? Kissing Bill Gates' ass, on it's knees in front of the Clinton class trying desperately to latch on to the big Wall Street money, fucking over millions of US families in the process. All for their own gain.

This continuing trend of outsourcing every job to Asia is going to destroy us.

Unfortunately the deniers are Democrats AND Republicans. They are literally shoveling jobs to India and China, happily destroying the middle class.

If you are a US citizen in high tech - San Jose, Seattle, Portland, DC, Austin, Boston, etc - there is a good chance you are a minority worker. If not, you will be. Soon.

Wall Street loves India with its poverty, corruption, pollution, social chaos. Keep them in slums and they'll work basically for free.







CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
117. Hubby's IT job went to Hyderabad in January 2015.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

Along with 17 other decent paying IT jobs. The directors & VPs got to keep their jobs, though. Funny how that works, huh?

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
118. They should be taxing the hell out of these companies
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:33 PM
Nov 2015

We should have had a bill passed in congress penalizing these actions. Oh yeah we did but the republicans blocked it.

The CCC

(463 posts)
122. Fury and fear in Ohio as IT jobs go to India
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:15 PM
Nov 2015

Simple solution. Any company is free to leave any time they want. They just won't be able to sell anything in the US for 50 years after they do leave.

Corey_Baker08

(2,157 posts)
134. Unfortunately Our Absent Governor Running For President Doesn't Give A SHIT!
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:12 PM
Nov 2015

In tonight's debate they should ask gov Aldrich how he plans to stop America's Outsourcing Of Jobs When He Can't Even Prevent It In His Home State?

But it's Fox so doubt that'll happen

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
136. But hey, you're forgetting something: Hillary is a WOMAN.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:29 PM
Nov 2015

What are you, SEXIST??


Joking aside, it's absolutely surreal to me how you never see the Swarm in these threads about real-life economic issues. It's like the only two things that are important are vague symbolism, slandering Bernie, and clutching pearls over how mean the rest of us are. On serious, no-shit substantive issues like this........ nothing. Not ever.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
138. When I hear stories like this ...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

I always research the voting patterns of the community.
They have overwhelmingly voted republican in all presidential elections since 1996 by 70% to 30%

Here is a graph of their community makeup


And their US Congressman is Steve Chabot (R).

Odds are that 70% of the workers losing their job voted Republican if they voted at all.
And they continue to support Republicans.

What did they expect to happen?

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
150. Personally, I would blame the owners of the company.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

They are the ones doing this.

This is hideous. They deserve to go down in a big way and I hope they lose everything they have in the process.

I don't understand how any owner of a company or any board of a company would think that this is ok to do to their employees. I don't care what regulations there are on place.

Just because you can doesn't make it all right.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
156. A job is a job
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:23 AM
Nov 2015

There's no such thing as "American" jobs. The same way white men aren't as important as they used to be, Americans aren't as important as they used to be.

Human beings want more for less. That's been the case since the first stick was sharpened to allow for easier hunts. Or the first basket was weaved to hold more berries.

There was a specific time in world history where some Americans had it great. High paying, good, meaningful jobs. A certain context in which America existed at the time made that possible. Now the entire world is open. Billions of people competing against each other. Increasingly there will be machines competing with those billions of people. Then there's the rest of life on the planet that stands little chance against organized humanity.

Right and wrong, good and bad, these are stories we tell ourselves. Morality is subjective. Humans don't like limits, and we want more for less.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
153. It's not good when
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:33 AM
Nov 2015

Trump is better than one of our candidates on this issue. TRUMP is better on this issue! That should give some of you pause.

 

Francois9

(54 posts)
157. What is the difference between H1b visas and illegal immigration?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

Both have the same effect on US workers: their wages fall or they lose their jobs. But people here get excited about the consequences for tech workers, but not for kitchen workers, hotel workers, landscapers, construction workers, hospital workers and other blue collar workers who are forced out of their jobs by illegals who will work for less. This reflects the middle-class bias of posters in this thread, and elsewhere on DU.

OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
160. Sens. Grassley, Durbin launch new H-1B fight
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:55 PM
Nov 2015

Nov 10, 2015 5:57 PM PT

Two of the Senate's leading H-1B reformers, Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), say abuse of the H-1B visa "is real" and the need for reform urgent. On Tuesday they introduced a new reform bill they say will protect U.S. workers.

These senators have made repeated efforts since 2007 to try to reform the H-1B program. This time, they're getting help from co-sponsors Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), where Disney replaced U.S. workers, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). Both Brown and Blumenthal signed a letter earlier this year requesting a federal review of use of H-1B workers at Southern California Edison.

"The H-1B visa program was never meant to replace qualified American workers, but it was instead intended as a means to fill gaps in highly specialized areas of employment that cannot be filled by Americans," said Grassley, in a statement.

Grassley said the "abuse of the system is real, and media reports are validating what we have argued against for years, including the fact that Americans are training their replacements," he said.

More: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3003877/it-careers/sens-grassley-durbin-launch-new-h-1b-fight.html

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
163. tpp will make this so much worse
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:10 PM
Nov 2015

and add in some age discrimination. the young turks had this chart on tonight about the average age worker in high tech. i am sure it is similar in other fields. we are getting screwed from every direction



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