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riversedge

(70,239 posts)
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:21 PM Nov 2015

A group of middle-aged whites in the U.S. is dying at a startling rate

Source: washingtonpost




By Lenny Bernstein and Joel Achenbach November 2 at 5:41 PM

A large segment of white middle-aged Americans has suffered a startling rise in its death rate since 1999, according to a review of statistics published Monday that shows a sharp reversal in decades of progress toward longer lives.

The mortality rate for white men and women ages 45-54 with less than a college education increased markedly between 1999 and 2013, most likely because of problems with legal and illegal drugs, alcohol and suicide, the researchers concluded. Before then, death rates for that group dropped steadily, and at a faster pace.

An increase in the mortality rate for any large demographic group in an advanced nation has been virtually unheard of in recent decades, with the exception of Russian men after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The rising death rate was accompanied by an increase in the rate of illness, the authors wrote in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.



“Drugs and alcohol, and suicide .?.?. are clearly the proximate cause,” said Angus Deaton, the 2015 Nobel laureate in economics, who co-authored the paper with his wife, Anne Case. Both are economics professors at Princeton University.

“Half a million people are dead who should not be dead,” he added. “About 40 times the Ebola stats. You’re getting up there with HIV-AIDS.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-group-of-middle-aged-american-whites-is-dying-at-a-startling-rate/2015/11/02/47a63098-8172-11e5-8ba6-cec48b74b2a7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_whitedeaths-319pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory




Whow, I did not know about this. Horrible for this to be happening.



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A group of middle-aged whites in the U.S. is dying at a startling rate (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2015 OP
my brother was one of them Skittles Nov 2015 #1
so sorry for you and your family. I hope you find some peace riversedge Nov 2015 #3
I am so sorry. 840high Nov 2015 #12
..... restorefreedom Nov 2015 #30
We all likely know someone deeply affected Babel_17 Nov 2015 #48
... Skittles Nov 2015 #60
The 1 percent are literally murdering the rest. leveymg Nov 2015 #63
I'm 58 Mendocino Nov 2015 #2
I turned 58 last month. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #9
Keeping in shape Mendocino Nov 2015 #40
Same here: I was at my 40th this summer gopiscrap Nov 2015 #17
One out of five Mendocino Nov 2015 #41
bad eating habits, too, not to mention food grown with deadly agrotoxins wordpix Nov 2015 #4
...that don't affect other races? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #8
Income inequality kills. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #5
Bingo. forest444 Nov 2015 #7
Absolutely. Call them the Shocked Generation. byronius Nov 2015 #21
I am 45 mysef Munificence Nov 2015 #28
Bush did permanent, irreparable damage to this nation. byronius Nov 2015 #37
what you relay is sad but true questionseverything Nov 2015 #54
Look at the years. Loosing jobs, home and family LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #6
Diet doesn't help either houston16revival Nov 2015 #10
It's healthcare and Stress and Medications lovuian Nov 2015 #11
There are numerous studies linking conservative policies and rising mortality rates. Snarkoleptic Nov 2015 #13
Very informative post. I'm currently reading ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #32
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #33
That is fascinating TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #39
This meme sums it up for me - it's more a top/bottom thing and the left/right is oft a distraction. Snarkoleptic Nov 2015 #44
I think a lot of them died of "Anger" ThoughtCriminal Nov 2015 #14
Agree marions ghost Nov 2015 #59
There's not much difference between the Soviet collapse and the Nay Nov 2015 #15
I daresay healthcare is one big area of difference Kennah Nov 2015 #20
Oh, this is very true. Our collapse has not yet been completed, though, so Nay Nov 2015 #29
This happened in Russia in the decade after the USSR broke up. hedda_foil Nov 2015 #16
Just what the Oligarchs want.......... Capt.Rocky300 Nov 2015 #18
live just long enough Lazy Daisy Nov 2015 #19
Yep, they pay into the system and die CountAllVotes Nov 2015 #23
This puts the "war" Depaysement Nov 2015 #22
And they keep trying to say that we are not a nation in decline. bemildred Nov 2015 #24
"poisoning" showed the biggest increase GreatGazoo Nov 2015 #25
it said "drug and alchohol poisoning." eom rogerashton Nov 2015 #53
Income inequality kills... think Nov 2015 #26
Stress... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #27
so the "most advanced" country on earth restorefreedom Nov 2015 #31
But we need to be safe from terrorists! n2doc Nov 2015 #36
yup. all about priorities restorefreedom Nov 2015 #38
45 to 65 are dangerous years for the working class, of any color daleo Nov 2015 #34
The generation was sold a bill of goods. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #35
Why? What was the bill of goods? flamingdem Nov 2015 #42
alcohol abuse, it is very addictive and people do get physicially sick if they try to quit cold. Sunlei Nov 2015 #43
Alcohol abuse is a symptom... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #62
a very sad k and r niyad Nov 2015 #45
Job Loss, Long-Term Financial Stress, Depression, Opioids, Alcohol And All The Anxiety You Can Eat hatrack Nov 2015 #46
+1,000,000,000,000... nt Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #55
yep marions ghost Nov 2015 #61
Poverty, anxiety, and despair, are still advancing Babel_17 Nov 2015 #47
List of Endangered Pensions (I thought of giving it a thread) Babel_17 Nov 2015 #49
Since the year 2000, the US has lost 60,000 factories that have gone overseas. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #50
Another reason a college education should be free. merrily Nov 2015 #51
Yes, and we also need trade schools and infrastructure work Babel_17 Nov 2015 #56
Piss poor healthcare combined with no hope for retirement Warpy Nov 2015 #52
+1000! n/t LiberalEsto Nov 2015 #58
Stress, depression, and anger are toxic. haele Nov 2015 #57
Maybe they decided "hope" was just a marketing scheme. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2015 #64
Good Union (with pension), Work out like a beast & being the best dad I can be GOLGO 13 Nov 2015 #65

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
63. The 1 percent are literally murdering the rest.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:03 PM
Nov 2015

It's literally a fact of life and will lead to a well deserved response.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
2. I'm 58
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:28 PM
Nov 2015

I recently attended my 40th class reunion. We have had 20 out of 243 die, just about one out of twelve. That seemed high to me. Cancer and accidents mostly.

Martin Eden

(12,869 posts)
9. I turned 58 last month.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:01 PM
Nov 2015

College degree, so maybe I'm safe. Two of my close friends died of drugs/alcohol decades ago, but I was able to make it through that phase of my life.

I'm not in great physical condition, but remain very active. Most of my vacation time is spent hiking/backpacking and competing in senior slowpitch softball tournaments. I also play 3 nights a week locally in the summer & fall. Some of the guys in my 40+ league compete in 65+ tourneys, and they're still pretty good. Two of my weeknight leagues are all ages; competing against young guys, I still play the outfield.

I consider myself very fortunate.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
40. Keeping in shape
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:34 AM
Nov 2015

Like you I hike and backpack. I also bicycle and canoe. In the winter I xc-ski and work out on a NordicTrack.

I have a old friend also 58, who drinks too much and smokes. He has high BP, overweight, COPD, reduced liver function. He recently had a non-cancerous mass removed from his throat. Doctors tell him to quit both the drinking and smoking or he likely won't live five more years. He doesn't care, sad.

Great that you can still play ball. If I tried that I'd forever be getting sprains and muscle pulls. My old body just doesn't stretch like it use to, so I stick to slow and rhythmic.

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
41. One out of five
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:39 AM
Nov 2015

Wow, I thought my class was bad. Big school, my former wife went to one like that. They just had grades 10-12 in their building and totaled a bit under 3000. She is 54.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
5. Income inequality kills.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:37 PM
Nov 2015

I have known this for a while now. I have recently learned that childhood abuse can lower life expectancy as well even among those who do not grow up to use drugs and/or become diabetic. The cancer rate is higher for adults who were abused as children even if they do everything they can to be healthier. But, even so it's good to try to stay healthy even if the stats are daunting.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
7. Bingo.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:52 PM
Nov 2015

While it's true that people of any given age group may die of a variety of causes, many of them unavoidable, what's really creating that big gap in outcomes between U.S. middle-age males and their other first-world counterparts after around 2000, is the sheer unaffordability of health care in this country.

I furthermore suspect mortality data in the U.S. would be at or near third-world levels were it not for Medicare, since most deaths in fact occur from age 65 onward. And now, of course, they're trying to take that away too. Amazing.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
21. Absolutely. Call them the Shocked Generation.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:07 AM
Nov 2015

Destabilized and culled, lost and dissolved.

Very few people expected it. Lost pride, damaged families, and a great deal of right-wing political misdirection and silence. It all has a terrible cost.

Munificence

(493 posts)
28. I am 45 mysef
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:58 AM
Nov 2015

and the most shocking thing I see is the number of men in my age group that used to work the "trades" are desperate and unemployed.

I live in a rural firm blue collar area, my two closest neighbors (both the parents of these men) were able to live a firm blue collar lifestyle....but not their sons.

One neighbor gave their son an acre and paid for his small home to be built. Other neighbor has two grown male adults in their 30's living with them. All 3 of these men used to be gainfully employed in the trades making maybe $40K-$50K in incomes when they were younger, now at the going rate of $10-$15 an hour by competing with low wage cash immigrant workers they choose not to work for "cigarette and beer money".

The economy has been stagnant for 10 years now and it is not coming back for middle class folks. Most middle aged men that I know used to have a sense of pride, now they really don't give a shit.

It's all boiling up behind the scenes and has been painted over and manipulated by our government to make it appear to be good (stock market, unemployment, etc) but these men are getting to the point of really not giving a fuck about anything. They have nothing to live for and to me they are a going to be a dangerous group when they finally say "enough is enough".

A lot of them to my surprise voted for President Obama both go-rounds as they really believed in the "shovel ready" jobs which would put the trades back to work. They are not stupid and see that all the money went to the top 1% and are pretty pissed off, can't say that I disagree with them.

They can go be a carpenter, lay tile, do HVAC, etc for around $12-$15 an hour, and you are running all over town have to have all your own tools and van/truck, etc to get that rate and make no mistakes about it, they are good at what they do, they are tradesmen and there are 1000's of them out of work as they can not compete with low wage immigrant labor that is paid in cash. Can't say I blame them.


byronius

(7,395 posts)
37. Bush did permanent, irreparable damage to this nation.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:28 AM
Nov 2015

And every American that voted Republican is responsible.

questionseverything

(9,655 posts)
54. what you relay is sad but true
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:13 PM
Nov 2015

i see the same thing in central illinois and honestly we are probably better off than most places

LiberalArkie

(15,716 posts)
6. Look at the years. Loosing jobs, home and family
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:47 PM
Nov 2015

Go on http://dailyjobcuts.com take a look, Verizon is cutting big time as I type https://www.thelayoff.com/verizon-communications

Men with 20-30 years at a job, canned so the execs can get a 20mil bones.. Verizon cuts 8,000 jobs in the USA and adds 6,000 in India .

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
11. It's healthcare and Stress and Medications
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:16 PM
Nov 2015

Let's face it the American way of Life is very stressful

we are prescribed massive amounts of medications and the healthcare system is built on making the population sicker

The other countries above have Healthcare for all and no one goes bankrupt from hospital bills

We've been through many wars and 911 .....plus new technology ...cell phones and cell phone towers maybe causing health issues as well as other technologies...

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
13. There are numerous studies linking conservative policies and rising mortality rates.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:22 PM
Nov 2015

This seems unsurprising as such policies tend to favor profit above all else.

http://jech.bmj.com/content/56/10/723.full

Mortality and political climate: how suicide rates have risen during periods of Conservative government, 1901–2000

Do conservative governments make people want to die?

The paper by Page and colleagues adds to a growing literature that considers the effect of the political environment (whether from the point of view of which political regime holds power or considering in more detail the proportion of population voting for particular parties) and mortality.1,2 In this case the specific cause of death in question is suicide, and the paper thus adds to a long tradition of research in sociology and epidemiology on factors beyond the individual that influence societal rates of suicide.3–5

The findings by Page et al suggest a dose-response or perhaps “true” effect such that during the 20th century the presence of Conservative governments at both State and Federal level in Australia were associated with higher suicide rates. Crucially, the effect is strongest when both levels of government are Conservative, with adjusted relative risks of suicide of 1.17 for men and 1.40 for women compared with years of administration by both State and Federal Labor governments.


and
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/04/study-thirty-five-years-conservative-policies-contributed-violence-baltimore.html
....according to a recent report on America’s overall health by the National Research Council (NRC) and the Institute of Medicine (IM); “On nearly all indicators of mortality, survival and life expectancy, the United States ranks at or near the bottom among high-income countries.” This is particularly astonishing because America was once the world leader before conservative policies began destroying America.

The report reveals that it is just not that America is near the bottom of industrialized nations in nearly every category, but how “stunningly fast the United States has lost ground” when it was a world leader just thirty-five years ago. Americans old enough to remember will realize that what changed was Ronald Reagan and Republicans convincing Americans that government was their mortal enemy and that cutting it down to size to give the richest Americans the nation’s wealth was the godly path to prosperity. As the NRC and IM report reveal, this nation’s decline began thirty five years ago when Republicans declared war on the federal government and imposed their trickle down scam on America.

--snip--
According to a New York Times article reporting on America’s decline, it is conservative policies “over the last four decades that are responsible for the unique failure of government to stop the stagnation of the middle class, increasing poverty, and the precipitous decline in our collective health.” It is not, as some conservative economists are wont to claim, globalization and technological advances that damaged American society, wreaked havoc on the middle class, halted investment in infrastructure and education; it was conservative ideology eliminating government and everything it entails in providing support for Americans.


and more
http://themonkeycage.org/2012/01/politics-is-a-matter-of-life-and-death-times-23000/
Republican administrations are “risk factors for lethal violence,” and that the only reason they have not produced “disastrously high epidemic levels” of suicides and homicides is that Democrats have repeatedly undone their damage.

....over the 108 years covered by his analysis (1900-2007), the age-adjusted suicide rate increased by an average of 9.7 per million over each Republican four-year term but decreased by an average of 11.1 per million over each Democratic term. The age-adjusted homicide rate increased by an average of 3.6 per million over each Republican term but decreased by an average of 4.2 per million over each Democratic term.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
32. Very informative post. I'm currently reading ...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:03 AM
Nov 2015

Perlstein's Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon & the Rise of Reagan . Watergate happened when I was in junior high school and much of what happened went right over my head, so it's both new and familiar to me. The background material on Reagan is both fascinating and appalling. How people could be conned by this man is hard to understand -- there were always signs that he was just making up fairly tales as he went, going back to his high school days, if not further.

I always regarded Reagan in office as America's crack cocaine -- he made us feel big and powerful while actually gravely weakening our society from within. The country has never recovered from that abuse, and the opportunities that were lost will never be made up for the generation that survived Reagan.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,192 posts)
39. That is fascinating
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:32 AM
Nov 2015

You have to have hope. I think the wars, the income stagnation, the lack of healthcare, the hatemongering, all those things are death by a thousand cuts for hope. It's not surprising that white males with only high school educations are feeling a loss of status. Their fathers and grandfathers probably made good livings with blue collar jobs. Throw in a divorce or two, alienation from children and you have a recipe for depression and substance abuse.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
14. I think a lot of them died of "Anger"
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:24 PM
Nov 2015

Our culture manufactures outrage and hate at things both real on very toxic level.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
15. There's not much difference between the Soviet collapse and the
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:25 PM
Nov 2015

US economic collapse, it's just that we refuse to see it as a collapse and blame it on the individual worker. That hits white men the hardest, and their wives hard, too. Drugs, alcohol, guns, and anger -- a deadly combination.

Kennah

(14,273 posts)
20. I daresay healthcare is one big area of difference
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:07 AM
Nov 2015

Soviet era universal healthcare wasn't on par with say The Netherlands, but in the post Soviet Union world it has deteriorated.

In the US, if you can pay, then you can afford to be sick. If not, then sucks to be you. With my fat, bloated healthcare plan via my AFSCME Union job, wife and I pick and choose doctor visits we can afford to see and when. Even though our plan is arguably the most expensive and generous, it is still cheaper to buy some meds from Canada.

Universal healthcare, even poor universal healthcare, provides a cushion to a plummeting economy. On the night the ACA was upheld by SCOTUS, Lawrence O'Donnell said that the ACA would take the number of uninsured from 50 million down to about 25 million. I don't think the number of uninsured in America is quite yet there.

Under a US collapse, I suspect the effects would be much more dire than under the Soviet Union collapse.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
29. Oh, this is very true. Our collapse has not yet been completed, though, so
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nov 2015

stay tuned for more bad news. USSR healthcare did indeed cushion their landing, as did the custom of nationalized housing. Even if you lost your job, you still had an apartment. You couldn't be thrown out. Here in the US, not so. Lose your job, lose your housing. No wonder people are killing themselves.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
16. This happened in Russia in the decade after the USSR broke up.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:39 AM
Nov 2015

People lost all sense of stability and predictability in their lives. The middle-aged men were most affected. Lots of alcoholism and early deaths.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
18. Just what the Oligarchs want..........
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:05 AM
Nov 2015

As Scrooge said, "To decrease the surplus population".

Disgusting, sad and unfair.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
19. live just long enough
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:18 AM
Nov 2015

to give your working life making the 1% rich, then die off when it comes time to get a little back

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
23. Yep, they pay into the system and die
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:49 AM
Nov 2015

That is what happened to my brother. Dead & gone at 43 years of age due to cancer and no, he did not use drugs or alcohol.

Sad as all hell and everything he worked for since age 19 is gone.

Its almost like this is baked into the system to be rid of upcoming retirees before they have a chance to retire and collect what is due to them IMO.



Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
22. This puts the "war"
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:31 AM
Nov 2015

in the term class war.

Now men of all ages and races can participate in the capitalist death spiral.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
24. And they keep trying to say that we are not a nation in decline.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:01 AM
Nov 2015

We have the demographics of a nation in decline, we have the buffoons in politics of a nation in decline, we have the corruption of politics of a nation in decline, we have the failed overseas adventures of a nation in decline, we have the failing infrastructure of a nation in decline, and we have the oligarchic rule of a nation in decline. Our education and health care systems suck. I can go on.

And we used to be the best (except for the racism).

But it was all said in 2003 or so by Emmanuel Todd in "After the Empire".

http://www.amazon.com/After-Empire-Breakdown-Perspectives-Criticism/dp/B00EBFVSOC

And all these goober "conservatives" have brought about themselves the early decline of "America" they sought to fend off and deny.

"Mission Accomplished".

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
25. "poisoning" showed the biggest increase
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

followed by suicide. They don't break out what constitutes poisoning but I'm going to assume they don't mean someone intentionally poisoned these people so that leaves a kind of self-induced poisoning. They mention "legal drugs" and a link between being prescribed legal pain meds and the first use of heroin.

I have seen neighbors who were prescribed various medications that cannot be consumed with alcohol. Their doctors prescribe these meds even though they know, or should know, that these people are active alcoholics. So I'm wondering if those kinds of interaction get lumped under poisoning (?)

There is no effective treatment IMHO for alcoholism. AA is unscientific, faith-based, unproven and pervasive. AA seems to have eclipsed other programs which may be more effective (how could they be worse?) and this is a condition which affects millions of Americans. Alcohol is poison. I would be curious to see if the stats are any different for post-marijuana legalization Colorado. Specifically, is there less death from drug interactions and alcohol when you have more use of MJ and less alcohol?


 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
27. Stress...
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:12 AM
Nov 2015

they got to "enjoy" some of the food on the table kind of stress that Women and Minorities experience ALL the time.....

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. so the "most advanced" country on earth
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

is ahead in yet another awful metric in human health. and people don't get the link to health care access and single payer with better health for all......






n2doc

(47,953 posts)
36. But we need to be safe from terrorists!
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:24 AM
Nov 2015

That's why we need trillion dollar f-35 programs and 70 billion dollar wealth bomber programs and 45 million dollar natural gas filling stations in Afghanistan. Freedom!

daleo

(21,317 posts)
34. 45 to 65 are dangerous years for the working class, of any color
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:20 AM
Nov 2015

The body begins to wear out, but pensions are still very far off. The capitalist system tends to shut people out, at that point. The psychological effects can be quite dire as well. U.S. workers are more vulnerable than most, given the scanty social welfare network.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
35. The generation was sold a bill of goods.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:23 AM
Nov 2015

I'm lucky. I made it.

But a lot of my peers are committing suicide. Fast by hanging or in a car in the garage, or slow through booze.

Life is not fun for many. Everything is our problem.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
42. Why? What was the bill of goods?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:07 PM
Nov 2015

It seems like the ones coming up now have it worse but in some ways they support each other more than we did. They have access to information too.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
43. alcohol abuse, it is very addictive and people do get physicially sick if they try to quit cold.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

IMO, alcohol also causes problems in baby development, especially the first trimester.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
46. Job Loss, Long-Term Financial Stress, Depression, Opioids, Alcohol And All The Anxiety You Can Eat
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:44 PM
Nov 2015

That's 'Murka!

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
47. Poverty, anxiety, and despair, are still advancing
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 01:55 PM
Nov 2015

Where once we thought we had a sense of how to roll it back in all the communities neglected by society and our economy, we instead see this condition deepen its roots, and spread.

It just wears people out and it wears them down. Year after year of things not looking up, but looking more gloomy.

Our society over the last hundred years or so has had a shift in its values as to what we value. Genteel poverty has completely fallen out of fashion. I give a lot of credit to the youngest generations, they're rediscovering the true value of being alive.

But for us older, and much older, types it's a heavy weight to bear when most of the measures you're used to applying to yourself don't have anything good to say. And that's just the top layer of the onion, the basic psychological one. There's your raw emotions and then there's the practical matters of being in poverty. That can be a daily grind of bad options and sub-standard diet, health care, heating, and the appearance you can present to the world.

It's a grinding down of our economy; we've been ignoring the implications, and ignoring some of the ways of dealing with it.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
49. List of Endangered Pensions (I thought of giving it a thread)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:35 PM
Nov 2015

(Anyone knowledgeable on this topic who can flesh it out, please think about starting a thread on it.)

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html

Click on some of the "Critical" ones. It doesn't take much intuition to figure out how grim this is. And these are funds of Unions that used to be bedrock institutions. I read several of the reports, some use different language. A few are in crash and burn territory and strongly suggesting existing pensioners are looking at facing cuts. Others are making earning credits harder, and/or making other cuts. Bear in mind, afaik none of these pensions have any COLA, so inflation has already had its way with them. Mine doesn't, and it's defined payment was last set something like twenty years ago and hasn't been increased since. (though we did start an annuity fund that gradually saw some increases)

As you might have guessed, yeah, I have some concern about my pension, though it's only "Endangered". I'm pretty sure we turned the corner, and I'm grateful I was able to make it to qualifying for one. Tough times for our industry, and we're doing more with less.

So many guys a mess, bad backs and joints, fatty livers, bypasses, bits of cancer, high blood pressure, pre-diabetic or diabetic, and all the stress. I went to an OSHA meeting where the instructor said "Everybody who's an "XYZ" worker raise your hand." He then pointed at each of us and said "You're dead, you're dead, you're dead, (etc.)" till he had pointed at each of us. I don't want to name my field but I think he was just unofficially telling us the truth because he felt obligated. Three guys I worked next to died of lymphatic cancer. One died of a heart attack on the job. One got buried alive and died.

Stress is a killer.

P.S. My sympathies to members of the Central States Pension Fund. All of us in a Multiemployer Pension Fund now live with the awareness that, though retired, our pensions can be cut.

http://www.pensionrights.org/issues/legislation/summary-pension-cutback-provisions-omnibus-spending-law

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
50. Since the year 2000, the US has lost 60,000 factories that have gone overseas.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

NAFTA, the North American Trade Agreement went into effect on Jan. 1, 1994. The trade agreement was passed by the Congress in Nov. 1993 and on Dec. 8 President Bill Clinton signed it saying 'NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement.'

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
56. Yes, and we also need trade schools and infrastructure work
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

Jump start the economy and create more good jobs. We can't all be white collar or techies. Unions have built the training facilities, now create the opportunity for jobs.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
52. Piss poor healthcare combined with no hope for retirement
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015

Depression goes untreated and there is a list of physical problems that coexist with depression.

This shouldn't be a mystery to anyone. This country is sick. It has become a hell for working people and white males have seen their income fall fastest of all.

haele

(12,659 posts)
57. Stress, depression, and anger are toxic.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

And people who don't have a college education, working dead end jobs, with little money have few outlets to purge themselves of internal toxins. Especially when the only option to wind down and experience just the joy of living that their community gives them is perhaps a few moments of real prayer when they're attending their temples for Fox News Conservatives who call themselves Christians. There is very little available to help them that doesn't need to be bought, and is out of their reach.

Constantly told to be afraid of "the other", afraid for their jobs, afraid for the bootstraps they are told they supposedly have - if they stay in line and believe hard enough - God will bless them with what they need. Who cares about that musty old golden rule - that's for liberals and weak-minded freaks. Gotta be hard and protect what's yours for the bank or hedge fund that owns you and your job.

Once these people start falling, it's a quick downwards slide. The organizations that are sucking the life out of them will just toss them aside as useless and weak - and tell everyone that it's a person's own fault for failure. Not the system that has control over their communities working against them to deny them any humanity or worth other than the money they can make for someone higher up the food chain.

Haele

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
65. Good Union (with pension), Work out like a beast & being the best dad I can be
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:14 AM
Nov 2015

Avoid garbage food, drink rarely & never cared for drugs. I have good hobbies (play guitar, Judo, falconry, archery & thinking about taking blacksmithing lessons)

My couch is mostly for guests.

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