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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:19 PM Nov 2015

Ohio voters weigh legalizing recreational marijuana use

Source: Yahoo! News / Reuters

CLEVELAND (Reuters) - Ohio voters will decide Tuesday on whether to become the first Midwestern state to legalize the recreational use of marijuana, though a rival ballot measure could kill the law before it takes effect.

Issue 3 would add an amendment to the state constitution that legalizes both personal and medical use of marijuana for those over 21 years old.

The ballot initiative was the result of a campaign that gathered more than 300,000 valid voter signatures from around the state.

If it passes, Ohio would become the fifth, and largest, state to legalize the recreational usage of marijuana, following Alaska, Colorado, Washington and Oregon, as well as the District of Columbia.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-voters-weigh-legalizing-recreational-marijuana-191327746.html

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Ohio voters weigh legalizing recreational marijuana use (Original Post) Little Tich Nov 2015 OP
This is a tricky issue that reaches beyond the headlines . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #1
I guess MJ is not a priority in your life. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #2
There is a plan and group in place for 2016 that will not involve a monopoly. peace13 Nov 2015 #3
Then in 2016, there will be problems. If we just wait until 2017. . . . . . . Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #5
I dislke the idea of a monopoly Stryst Nov 2015 #8
You make sense. peace13 Nov 2015 #9
So cut off the lives going into for profit prisons by titaniumsalute Nov 2015 #11
Would you be willing to say the same thing Stryst Nov 2015 #13
Ohio activists have not shown they are together enough to even qualify for the ballot. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #14
That is no reason sorefeet Nov 2015 #4
Fighting against oligopoly is a worthy cause NobodyHere Nov 2015 #6
I disagree 100%. titaniumsalute Nov 2015 #10
I think monopolies are illegal sorefeet Nov 2015 #12
They were re-writing the Ohio Constitution titaniumsalute Nov 2015 #17
There are plenty of opportunities to make money off legal pot in Ohio. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #15
Hell yeah. tabasco Nov 2015 #16
Well Issue 3 failed big time titaniumsalute Nov 2015 #18
Willie Nelson has declared war on Big Pot starroute Nov 2015 #7
 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
1. This is a tricky issue that reaches beyond the headlines . .
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:30 PM
Nov 2015

As the article notes later . .

"But Issue 3 also grants exclusive rights for commercial marijuana growth and distribution to 10 facilities around the state. Those facilities are owned by investors in the legalization movement."

I cannot support this, and will vote NO tomorrow

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
3. There is a plan and group in place for 2016 that will not involve a monopoly.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:41 PM
Nov 2015

Best to wait. The casino issue went to the few. Pot should not be owned by ten folks.

Stryst

(714 posts)
8. I dislke the idea of a monopoly
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:38 PM
Nov 2015
http://norml.org/data/item/ohio-marijuana-arrests

I also dislike the nearly 20,000 life altering arrests that will occur between now and the 2016 elections. My belief is that it would better to get a foot in the door, cut off the flow of lives into the for profit prison, and open up the application process down the road.
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
9. You make sense.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:48 PM
Nov 2015

I doubt that in reality we could break the monopoly. They are already in for 15 million. Tomorrow will tell.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
11. So cut off the lives going into for profit prisons by
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:29 PM
Nov 2015

giving for-profit billionaire pot growers (all 10 growers) the proceeds from pot sales. The rich keep getting richer...lather, rinse, repeat. Screw that man. Not for me. Let's legalise pot the right way in Ohio.

Stryst

(714 posts)
13. Would you be willing to say the same thing
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

to the face of one of those 18-20 thousand people whose lives might be over? I couldn't, but my opinions don't mean anything since I don't live in Ohio.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
14. Ohio activists have not shown they are together enough to even qualify for the ballot.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:24 PM
Nov 2015

Vote "yes" now or be prepared to wait a few years.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
4. That is no reason
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015

to not vote for marijuana. The rules will change and people will be safer from arrest.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
6. Fighting against oligopoly is a worthy cause
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:50 PM
Nov 2015

It just matter where your priorities are.

I live less than a mile from the Ohio border, shame I can't cast a vote for it.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
10. I disagree 100%.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:27 PM
Nov 2015

Giving 10 growers cart blanche on all pot growth and proceeds is simply writing more checks to the millionaires and billionares out there. Fuck that. I want pot to be legal...but not this way. Oligarchy is never acceptable.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
12. I think monopolies are illegal
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:24 AM
Nov 2015

It's unconstitutional. Get the stuff legal first and take it from there. Then you can make laws allowing anyone to grow for themselves.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
17. They were re-writing the Ohio Constitution
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:13 AM
Nov 2015

So it would have been legal here in Ohio. Not so sure about Federal Courth though.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
15. There are plenty of opportunities to make money off legal pot in Ohio.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

Not just the commercial growers.

People can open stores and processing operations.

Vote "yes" on 3 or be prepared to wait for several years.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
18. Well Issue 3 failed big time
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:18 AM
Nov 2015

And it doesn't look like we'll be waiting several years. The Ohio Assembly might just try to legalize pot instead of having this Responsible Ohio BS to take the charge again in 2016.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/11/the_2016_calculus_of_marijuana.html

starroute

(12,977 posts)
7. Willie Nelson has declared war on Big Pot
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:22 PM
Nov 2015
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/10/willie-nelson-crusade-stop-big-pot.html

But now, as he enters the final phase of his life, Nelson is gearing up for a different battle. He has been a vocal advocate of marijuana legalization for more than half a century, but he has watched the last few years unfold with a combination of joy and dread. Even as the country has softened its stance toward marijuana, a legion of large corporations has gathered to dominate the legal market. Nelson figures he has at least one good fight left. In what may be his last political act, he is declaring war on Big Pot.

<snip>

In the face of all this, investors have naturally begun piling into pot. A race is on to establish the first truly national marijuana brand. The most visible contender in this contest is probably the company Privateer Holdings, which was founded by three Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, one of whom had never smoked pot in his life but who somehow managed to persuade Bob Marley’s family to license his name and image to their packaging. This spring, Privateer completed its second capital drive for a total of $82 million in start-up cash. Or maybe the rise of corporate marijuana is better illustrated by the tech millionaire Jamen Shively, who announced plans in 2013 to create a chain of pot shops modeled on Starbucks that would “mint more millionaires than Microsoft” — acknowledging at one point, “We are Big Marijuana.”

Even the most ardent advocates of legalization have been troubled by the rise of Big Pot. The legalization movement is organized largely around issues of social justice, and for activists who have spent decades railing against the disproportionate impact of the drug war on poor communities, it has been unsettling to watch legalization engender a new slate of economic disparities. Alison Holcomb, who wrote the initiative to legalize recreational marijuana in Washington State, told me that a cannabis industry dominated by large corporations would threaten the core values of the legalization movement. “It looks a lot like the concentration of capital that we have seen with Big Alcohol and Big Tobacco,” she said. “I think that’s problematic for cannabis-law reformers, because it plays into our opposition’s strongest argument.” Holcomb pointed to the initiative in Ohio this month, where a consortium of large marijuana investors has spent about $15 million to promote legalization, while opponents have spent less than $1 million and focused not on legalization itself, but on the fact that the new law would permit only ten of those large producers to operate in the state.

The arrival of corporate marijuana also raises public-health concerns. Pot smokers might prefer to imagine their plants being raised on a sunny organic farm near Boulder, but Keith Stroup, who founded the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, points out that when big companies grow things, they tend to rely on the chemical methods of industrial agriculture. “For the average little black-market grower, it’s done on such a small scale that they’re not even using pesticides,” Stroup told me. “But when you’re investing millions of dollars in a large cultivation center, you can bet they are not going to take the risk of their crop getting wiped out by mold or mildew or insects.”
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