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riversedge

(70,305 posts)
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:07 AM Sep 2015

Kentucky Republican, along with two libertarians, claims First Amendment right to accept bribes

Source: TPM





Travis Gettys

28 Sep 2015 at 08:11 ET



A Kentucky Republican lawmaker and two libertarian candidates are claiming a First Amendment right to accept gifts from lobbyists.

State Sen. John Schickel and a pair of Libertarian Party hopefuls filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court intended to overturn state ethics laws that limit campaign contributions to $1,000 and prohibit lawmakers from accepting gifts from lobbyists and their employers, reported the Lexington Herald-Leader.

“This infringes on the legislator’s, lobbyist’s, and employer of lobbyist’s right to freedom of association, and freedom of speech,” Schickel argues in the lawsuit.

Kentucky passed ethics laws in 1992 after an FBI investigation, named Operation BOPTROT, revealed 15 elected officials — including then-House Speaker Don Blandford — in the state had been selling their votes.

Schickel complained in his lawsuit that current ethics laws prevent him from attending “holiday parties, hosted by longstanding friends, who are lobbyists or employ lobbyists.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/kentucky-republican-along-with-two-libertarians-claims-first-amendment-right-to-accept-bribes/

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Kentucky Republican, along with two libertarians, claims First Amendment right to accept bribes (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2015 OP
IOKIYAR LittleGirl Sep 2015 #1
The codification of crime. sofa king Sep 2015 #2
Exactly. Corporations are people; money is fully protected speech. merrily Sep 2015 #8
Oh.... Stryst Sep 2015 #15
They would have us believe that fascism circumvents the Constitution; that the first Amendment DhhD Sep 2015 #3
WTF? You forgot that the Second trumps the First! DetlefK Sep 2015 #9
Corporations are people and politicians can accept bribes davidpdx Sep 2015 #4
The sun doesn't shine bright get the red out Sep 2015 #5
I call it the "Kim Davis Effect!" Cracks in authority and a glimmer of light to do RKP5637 Sep 2015 #6
If money is speech, then this logically follows. (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2015 #7
Another Logical Outcome of Citizens United Punx Sep 2015 #10
THIS is where the SCOTUS Fascist 5 has take us Ferd Berfel Sep 2015 #11
Bingo! valerief Sep 2015 #14
Thank you, Supreme Court Justices! procon Sep 2015 #12
+1. Javaman Sep 2015 #16
Yeah, AL already has something like this ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2015 #13
fantastic, let's just be completely up-front about it from here on out 0rganism Sep 2015 #17
Is this the logical conclusion to which Citizens United leads? Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #18
You know they had to go there because they're doing it. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #19
They also have a 'first amendment' right to GO TO PRISON. elleng Sep 2015 #20
Money is speech, and he was just listening. Qutzupalotl Sep 2015 #21
Great Budda on a bouncing ball packman Sep 2015 #22

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
2. The codification of crime.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:16 AM
Sep 2015

When the criminals start at the top, as with Citizens United, we shouldn't be surprised to see avalanches of corruption lower down the mountain.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. Exactly. Corporations are people; money is fully protected speech.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:48 AM
Sep 2015

Don't violate the first amendment right to speech by that munitions manufacturer.

I often post that I am non-violent. So, I will not say another thing in this post about Scalia. Use your imagination.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
3. They would have us believe that fascism circumvents the Constitution; that the first Amendment
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:21 AM
Sep 2015

is the real Constitution of the U.S.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. I call it the "Kim Davis Effect!" Cracks in authority and a glimmer of light to do
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:29 AM
Sep 2015

as one pleases. Unrelated in content, but the same as to the effect. One should do as they damn well please. It's a very dangerous precedent that's trying to be set.

Punx

(446 posts)
10. Another Logical Outcome of Citizens United
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:20 AM
Sep 2015

I'm talking to you, Alito.

Well, at least if it's out in the open, we know who's bribing whom. Of course I'm sure the lawmakers' privacy will need to be protected and we won't know.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
11. THIS is where the SCOTUS Fascist 5 has take us
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:26 AM
Sep 2015




A complete disregard for democracy and integrity. THIS is where the SCOTUS Fascist 5 has take us.


procon

(15,805 posts)
12. Thank you, Supreme Court Justices!
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 10:33 AM
Sep 2015

By ruling that that money is speech, us poor, stoopid citizens don't even need to bother with voting because we don't have any spare cash on hand to compete with the vast wealth of all those corporate funded lobbyists in bribing our elected representative so they'll take up our cause. Sure, it's probably far more efficient to just eliminate all us whiny, capricious voters and then just auction off politicians to the highest bidding lobbyists. Maybe they could make it into a reality TV show hosted by The Donald (assuming he isn't our next president... where's my dang heart pills?) and give it a catchy name like, "Bet the House", or "Oligarchy R Us"...

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
16. +1.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:13 PM
Sep 2015

I agree with what you said. while what these halfwits did was clearly illegal, the ruling by the Supremes does case a "gray area" upon it.

we are a banana republic

0rganism

(23,970 posts)
17. fantastic, let's just be completely up-front about it from here on out
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

we can stop beating around the bush, pretending to enforce campaign finance laws and political corruption standards, and just move straight on with establishing our plutocracy.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
18. Is this the logical conclusion to which Citizens United leads?
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:44 PM
Sep 2015

There is no such thing as a bribe. Mr. Schickel is merely listening to corporate free speech.

Silly me, I've been ridiculing Citizens United for claiming there is no evidence that bribes campaign contributions influence any politician's decisions. Mr. Schickel is telling us that they do, but what's wrong with that? That's the way the system is supposed to work.

And I'm a retired kamikaze pilot.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
19. You know they had to go there because they're doing it.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

That's the benefit of white privilege. Instead of accepting responsibility for the laws they are breaking, they take the offensive to show why the laws don't work for them.

Here's the thing. If you are pulling a government check, you are a public servant and must abide to the rules to ensure that everyone's rights are protected. If you can't do that, go back into the private sector.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
22. Great Budda on a bouncing ball
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 01:28 PM
Sep 2015

You gotta love em' - I wish the Founding Fathers were still around to slap them silly. In one way you just have to admire their unabashed chutzpah - A first amendment right to accept gifts from lobbyist . Why stop there? The potential is limitless - right to main, kill, rape , pillage, do unnatural experiments, spit on the sidewalk, etc. , etc.

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