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laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:29 PM Sep 2015

Marine Forced into Retirement After Beating up US-Protected Pedophile

Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:07 PM - Edit history (3)

Source: Anti Media

Afghanistan — “At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” Gregory Buckley, Sr. recalled his son telling him shortly before he was shot to death on base in southern Afghanistan in 2012.

Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. was distressed about the ongoing sexual abuse by Afghan police of boys brought back to base.

“My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture”

Once again, organized sexual abuse of children has returned to Afghanistan as an acceptable and even expected practice; and the problem is so pervasive it has a name — bacha bazi — literal translation: “boy play.”

{Special Forces Captain Dan } Quinn was relieved of duty and removed from Afghanistan after he beat up a U.S.-backed militia commander who kept a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave.



Read more: http://theantimedia.org/marine-forced-into-retirement-after-beating-up-us-protected-pedophile/



Wikipedia details the history of "bacha bazi" and the facts looming large that;


During the Taliban's rule (1994-2001), bacha bazi carried the death penalty.[11][12] The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, being "against both sharia law and the civil code",[13] but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have been reportedly complicit in related crimes.[14][15]



PBS has a 2010 Documentary filmed titled "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan"
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[center][font size=5] Inhumanity - Pedo Laughs About Child Abuse [/font][/center]

This story above does not detail the fact that Captain Quinn was not alone at the time of the incident. When the boy in question revealed his wounds and told his woes, it was too a Green Beret Sgt 1st Class Charles Martland and Captain Quinn who was "Team Leader" of an attachment to fight the Taliban in the Kunduz Province.

Upon confronting the accused commander Abdul Rahman... it is reported that Rahman continued laughing about how it was no big deal and then went on to beat up the boy's mother, for her kid reporting the crime.
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As one who has suffered the angst - That facts are never facts until someone of consequence reports them - (talking about moi's own case against Romney, Bain Cap and Goldman Sachs having confessions; but getting off 'Scot Free') - I'm able to see clear through the babbling, obfuscating BullChit by the Pentagon's claim that there was NO policy in place. When - in fact - this was the policy;

“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” ------- “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”


This is a direct quote from the New York Times article that started all the banter about these particular cases (see Sept. 20, 2015 NY Times item titled "U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies"
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[center][font size=4] Lance Corporal Buckley was killed by "Tea Boys" Abducted by Bazi Abuser Mr. Jan[/font][/center][br]

As noted by the PBS link above, everyone knew this was going on. Hence, the Pentagon has ZERO plausible deniability - that they didn't know this was going on. The policy the Pentagon claims was in place, was to have it reported to Afghan authorities; but that is BullChit too - and here's why.....

Per the NY Times article (here) Mr. Sanwar Jan was reported for his pedophile abuses. One of the U.S. military officers who reported that abuse - was Major Jason Brezler.

Bacha Bazi Abuser Sanwar Jan was arrested in 2010 and two years later put inside Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand.

Upon learning of this travesty of justice, Major Jason Brezler "dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him".

All to no avail - resulting in one of the boys with Mr. Jan, grabbing a gun, killing Lance Corporal Buckley and other Marines!

Father of Lance Corporal Buckley seeks answers, agonizing over whether his son was killed, as a result of this flawed policy. Meanwhile the Marines have initiated a process to involuntarily discharge Major Jason Brezler.

As the Pentagon fallaciously claims there was no policy of willful blindness and that no one can prove that there were any such orders official, all moi has to say on that matter, is that the Marine commanders also never had, in the manuals

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a Code Red!
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It is written by many esteemed


That the world,s worst evil, is good men who stand by idle by and do nothing in the face of evil.
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These good men tried to protect innocents if the future, by making a point......and many find fault with that.
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Sad state of affairs
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Marine Forced into Retirement After Beating up US-Protected Pedophile (Original Post) laserhaas Sep 2015 OP
While I understand the officers' feelings and don't mind what they did (at all), TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #1
Um.... (I'm trying to restrain myself here) ... There is NO discipline in the military - when orders laserhaas Sep 2015 #2
Sounds right to me. truthisfreedom Sep 2015 #3
No. I have no idea why you're "restraining" yourself. Officers can't beat up people because TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #4
If he'd caught the predator in the act, would you allow the marine to intervene? Orrex Sep 2015 #5
Absolutely. As far as I'm concerned you have a duty to do so. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #6
The pedophile C O N F E S S E D - and then laughed about it, as if it were no big deal. laserhaas Sep 2015 #9
The policy needs to be changed and communicated through the chain of command TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #13
I can bet my bottom dollar that the enlisted personnel were the very LAST to find fault with them. laserhaas Sep 2015 #15
Order and discipline are everything. Following the rules and going up the TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #17
It was run up the chain of command. christx30 Sep 2015 #21
I actually don't think we have all the details on this particular case. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #23
Captain Quinn retired... it is Sgt 1st Class Green Beret Martland that is fighting forced retirement laserhaas Sep 2015 #26
Its time to see how far up the chain this BS came from nt 7962 Sep 2015 #36
But that's the time, christx30 Sep 2015 #28
That's fine. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #29
Correct.... Whistle blowers get the shaft laserhaas Sep 2015 #25
The greater good is everything... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #43
An example (As you put it about the retaliate/ revenge) of how all is moot once a queer protocol is laserhaas Sep 2015 #16
Yeh, thaht'll work. As well as relying on the chain of command with situations withuin US military. HERVEPA Sep 2015 #52
Well, that's what needs to happen. This is a matter of policy, and also of TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #53
The order was illegal ripcord Sep 2015 #71
I don't think you'll find a direct order from a superior, in any of these cases--the TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #74
"Pedophilia and sexual assault will not be tolerated" SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #56
AMEN laserhaas Sep 2015 #59
I don't think they're prosecuting him. Just forcing him out. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #61
They forced him out? What a shame. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #63
Confess according to what? treestar Sep 2015 #83
Your value sysem is whacked laserhaas Sep 2015 #85
Absolutely right. By protecting these savages, our leadership is endorsing their behavior. razorman Oct 2015 #103
One can intervene... philosslayer Sep 2015 #81
They WERE trying to intervene...ina War Zone laserhaas Sep 2015 #86
If vigilante justice is your thing.. philosslayer Sep 2015 #91
Dont try to put words in my mouth laserhaas Sep 2015 #92
And yet, in another threat that you started, GGJohn Sep 2015 #95
WTF...who could defend such a vicious assault laserhaas Sep 2015 #98
Here's the link to the thread. GGJohn Sep 2015 #99
The party serms to be one who delights laserhaas Sep 2015 #100
+10 840high Sep 2015 #35
Thanks laserhaas Sep 2015 #45
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #58
If the practice has been going on with a wink and a nod from legal authorities Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #106
Exactly laserhaas Oct 2015 #107
Anybody in any capacity who takes it upon themselves to kick a pedo's ass gets props from me snooper2 Sep 2015 #42
Definition of a real hero.... is those who do the right thing - when the world is upside wrong laserhaas Sep 2015 #48
Right there with you. eom SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #64
by what process is it decided who is or is not one? treestar Sep 2015 #84
Insane Inane: that Standard is an American court std laserhaas Sep 2015 #89
Agreed. Don't want him thinking he has that authority when returns treestar Sep 2015 #82
And a pedophile.laughing about his evil deeds is laserhaas Sep 2015 #87
I understand the need to keep good relations with militia commanders who support our military. Nitram Sep 2015 #7
Disgusting culture leftynyc Sep 2015 #8
Amen.... This type of protocol instills civil unrest in the ranks laserhaas Sep 2015 #10
What I don't get is how this culture thinks it is acceptable to rape young boys smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #60
The practices of many traditional cultures strike us enlightened folks as disgusting. Nitram Sep 2015 #62
Spare me the history lesson leftynyc Sep 2015 #66
No, I won't spare you the history lesson. Get off your high horse and lose the moral outrage. Nitram Sep 2015 #67
Are you incapable leftynyc Sep 2015 #69
Don't be dense. Nitram Sep 2015 #70
LOL - and here is where leftynyc Sep 2015 #72
My reply applies equally to your characterization of Afghanistan as a "disgusting culture." Nitram Sep 2015 #73
Yawn leftynyc Sep 2015 #75
I have nothing to apologize for. You do, for lying about Afghans and their culture. Nitram Sep 2015 #76
Spare me the apologist bullsht leftynyc Sep 2015 #77
As you so aptly put it, "Yawn." Nitram Sep 2015 #90
Should have gotten a promotion tabasco Sep 2015 #11
Correct. laserhaas Sep 2015 #12
I have to confess that I'm bias (of sorts) having been sexually abused when I was 10 laserhaas Sep 2015 #14
I'm sorry to hear you were a victim of sexual abuse. closeupready Sep 2015 #18
It was a strange state of affairs.... my mother talked to another woman on the corner, in Queens laserhaas Sep 2015 #24
Healing vibes to you laserhaas... Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #30
You meant to say -- my sister... laserhaas Sep 2015 #46
I did meant to say your sister. Thanks for correcting me :-) Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #65
They should have just reassigned him stateside FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #19
"congressional investigation ASAP" - i'm sure they'll get right on it 0rganism Sep 2015 #20
K&R Babel_17 Sep 2015 #22
unless it was a Duggar or fellow Repug laserhaas Sep 2015 #27
Count on me to K&R any other threads about this I see Babel_17 Sep 2015 #32
This stuff is serious dynamics laserhaas Sep 2015 #49
This story is horrendous! Shame Shame Shame on the military brass, shame shame shame on you!!! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #31
sick Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #33
using drones to blow up wedding parties full of women and kids is fine, however. carry on nt msongs Sep 2015 #34
No, it's all wonderful, so whathehell Sep 2015 #37
Your name is appropriate for that comment, I'd say!! 7962 Sep 2015 #39
People here seem to find my name appropriate for all.sorts of things, lol. whathehell Sep 2015 #41
At times, moi wishes I had picked a moniker, instead of name laserhaas Sep 2015 #50
I like that.. whathehell Sep 2015 #55
So we have our first DUer who sees nothing wrong with Afghan pedophiles 7962 Sep 2015 #38
Irrelevance, they name is but a wee song. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #44
Great idea to invade and occupy that shithole wasn't it? Darb Sep 2015 #40
Concur... being called unpatriotic at the time and daring to ask questions of how they can laserhaas Sep 2015 #47
WTF is our military still doing in that godforsaken hell-hole anyway? arcane1 Sep 2015 #51
A crucial point Lost in the personal outrage Fairgo Sep 2015 #54
just another tool in the toolbox at abu ghraib reddread Sep 2015 #57
Will anyone in Congress, or the media, ask him to tell us what happened? Babel_17 Sep 2015 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #78
Reading this story is surreal. Maxinedaily Sep 2015 #79
If it's any consolation... MelungeonWoman Sep 2015 #80
Im sure that the policy players changing laserhaas Sep 2015 #88
The story is so bad, I figure folks are hoping it's not for real Babel_17 Sep 2015 #93
Its been documented as going on fir hundreds of years laserhaas Sep 2015 #94
That is true, haas, but it has become a great deal worse and more common. Nitram Sep 2015 #96
And your point ram nit laserhaas Sep 2015 #97
My point from the beginning has been that most Afghans abhor the practice. Nitram Sep 2015 #102
They do these horrors so openly any more....sick bastards all who looked the other way will AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #101
Why does anyone bother to try and turn Afgahnistan into a functioning society. It has been a tribal Monk06 Oct 2015 #104
Cant say I disagree laserhaas Oct 2015 #105

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. While I understand the officers' feelings and don't mind what they did (at all),
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

you can't just take matters into your own hands and beat someone up, especially when it wasn't a reaction to save the child but was a later confrontation. You must show discipline in the military, especially as an officer. A slap on the wrist, though, should have been the most he faced. Not sure why he was forced out.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
2. Um.... (I'm trying to restrain myself here) ... There is NO discipline in the military - when orders
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

protect pedophiles!

Do I make myself clear?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
4. No. I have no idea why you're "restraining" yourself. Officers can't beat up people because
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

they heard that this guy or that guy did something bad. The allegations of abuse should have been dealt with further up the chain of command, the abuser should have been removed from the base or turned over to Afghan authorities. The failure is of policy, and they need to correct that, it's sickening. But no, you can't just beat up locals in the military, no matter how disgusting they are to you, UNLESS you catch them in the act (not clear this happened) and have to defend someone else or yourself. To take matters into your own hands is a breakdown of discipline and order.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
6. Absolutely. As far as I'm concerned you have a duty to do so.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

Hearing about something and confronting the guy, and then beating him up, is a different story. I don't fault the Marine for what he did, I can't blame him, but I also understand that he should be reprimanded somewhat, though it shouldn't be a career-ender. Edit to add: I can't stress enough that this is a failure of his senior officers, a failure of policy.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
9. The pedophile C O N F E S S E D - and then laughed about it, as if it were no big deal.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:56 PM
Sep 2015

These soldiers are hero's of the highest order and Captain Quinn was a TEAM Leader.

Leading by example that you don't turn a blind eye to pedophiles who CONFESS.

Where your angst (and the rest of U.S. should be) - is against our administrators at the top, giving such orders of protection.

It goes against EVERYTHING we're suppose to stand for.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
13. The policy needs to be changed and communicated through the chain of command
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:04 PM
Sep 2015

that pedophilia and sexual assault will not be tolerated among those who work with our troops, especially on shared facilities or American bases. Identified abusers must be removed. Letting your feelings take over, in a moment of disgust and frustration and anger, is perfectly natural and human, but a military officer can't indulge those feelings by beating up the person. That can lead to further problems down the road, first off (like retaliation/revenge), and is a poor example for enlisted personnel. Again, it shouldn't be a career ender, but it should be addressed as a minor disciplinary issue, IMO.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
15. I can bet my bottom dollar that the enlisted personnel were the very LAST to find fault with them.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:09 PM
Sep 2015

This was a matter of honor and discipline was thrown out the door the moment the policy of protecting pedos was in place.

You can't argue that anyone has unclean hands (for the much lesser offense of pushing someone to the ground) when an Illegal order is in place!

This argument of yours is beyond moot - because the degree of reprehensibility goes far beyond shocking one's conscience!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
17. Order and discipline are everything. Following the rules and going up the
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:17 PM
Sep 2015

chain of command are everything. If an officer gets adulation and no reprimand for indulging his anger and beating up a guy, no matter how odious that person is, then you can expect lower-ranking personnel to behave similarly, and then you have a discipline/behavior issue. There are better ways for the military to handle this, they shouldn't have drummed this guy out if this was his only offense. But you can't just get violent and take matters into your own hands. My opinion on that won't change.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
21. It was run up the chain of command.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:38 PM
Sep 2015

They were ordered to ignore it, because the alliance is more important than innocent children.

"This guy is raping boys."
"We're aware. Ignore it."
"He has a kid chained to his bd."
"We're aware. Ignore it."

So what do you do then? Go to the press with crimes being committed by our military and allies? That worked out well for Chelsea Manning.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
23. I actually don't think we have all the details on this particular case.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:46 PM
Sep 2015

Only some of it has been made public. That said, neither officers nor enlisted personnel can confront anybody of their choosing and physically assault or kill them. People can't actually do that here, either--not even against known or suspected criminals, unless the act is occurring and must be stopped. But again, the policy should have been such that proper steps could have been taken against the perpetrators without putting our troops in such an awful position, possibly giving them the impression that they HAD to take matters into their own hands or forever suffer a guilty conscience. That's why I don't think they should throw the book at this guy.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
26. Captain Quinn retired... it is Sgt 1st Class Green Beret Martland that is fighting forced retirement
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:04 PM
Sep 2015

This whole affair needs more attention to a vulgar matter.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
28. But that's the time,
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:14 PM
Sep 2015

If the authorities won't help, people will always feel they have to act. But there are always alliances and things that are taken into account by the authorities, and the innocents will always suffer.

I'm 100% behind what this guy did. If I was in charge, I'd pack everything up and wish the Afghan government good luck with the Taliban.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
29. That's fine.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:31 PM
Sep 2015

I'm not telling you you're wrong for your feelings or for what you would do. I'm not even saying this guy is wrong, in the greater sense. Against the rules doesn't necessarily equal wrong, following the rules doesn't always equal the most moral path. But there are very good reasons why rules of conduct toward locals are in place for military personnel in war zones.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
25. Correct.... Whistle blowers get the shaft
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

We need an independent commission to receive complaints against the military policies.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
43. The greater good is everything...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:06 PM
Sep 2015

The greater good is everything... all else are but colorful rationalizations as to why the greater good is something other than what it is.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
16. An example (As you put it about the retaliate/ revenge) of how all is moot once a queer protocol is
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:13 PM
Sep 2015

in place.... is the following;

Which is worse.... the mindset enlisted personnel have... upon hearing about Captain Quinn's deed?

OR

The fact that the bazi/ pedos are encouraged to do worse when this pedophile snitch was rewarded?

There are NO violations once an illegal (repulsively immoral) order is in place!

Or do you disagree - continuously?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
53. Well, that's what needs to happen. This is a matter of policy, and also of
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:29 PM
Sep 2015

our troops, NCO's and officers not having clear direction and training in how to deal with this. It puts them in a real bind, and probably emotional distress, to hear and see horrible things like this without a legal way to stop it.

ripcord

(5,421 posts)
71. The order was illegal
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Sep 2015

Telling members of the military to ignore kidnapping, slavery and child rape is blatantly illegal.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
74. I don't think you'll find a direct order from a superior, in any of these cases--the
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:17 PM
Sep 2015

military knows how to keep its higher ranks from being held accountable. This seems to have been more a broad policy, vague and ill-defined and made up as they went along, each situation either handled differently or ignored.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
56. "Pedophilia and sexual assault will not be tolerated"
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 04:49 AM
Sep 2015

Were they ever OK? We have to codify something so obvious?

Fuck that. The Marine did the right thing regardless of chain of command.

Sure, prosecute him. Two words: Jury nullification.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
61. I don't think they're prosecuting him. Just forcing him out.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:29 AM
Sep 2015

They forced the other guy out, too. Still too harsh under the circumstances. BTW, it's an Army Sgt. and Capt. we're talking about, I think.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
63. They forced him out? What a shame.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 04:13 PM
Sep 2015

That would have been a hell of a trial.

A different venue (read: Penn State) and he would have been lauded (as he deserves to be now).

I hope someone hires him immediately and pays him what he's worth.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
83. Confess according to what?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:32 PM
Sep 2015

In court, under sworn statement? This guy was judge, jury, accuser and executioner (of his chosen penalty). How do we know his conclusions were fair? Not according to our system (and those are allegedly the values he is fighting to protect).

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
85. Your value sysem is whacked
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:23 PM
Sep 2015

I personally hate bullues and fight...Right Now...as big a battle as one can...against Donestic Finacial Terrorusts/Bullies...who are so powerful..fed agents. Agencies and courts assist them
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I find no fault in those that tried to PREVENT further sexual child abuse...in a War Zone...by making the point to a BULLY Abuser...that they meant business
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Real Deal...as Im one who suffered (much less than these boys over there) from childhood sexual abuse..the results would have been different.
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I would have told command...and when they said leave him alone...
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Then mii would have gladly went ti jail..even lose my life, as son as this BULLY child abuser dragged the next kid in
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Your arguments are twisted

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
81. One can intervene...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:07 PM
Sep 2015

Without "beating someone up"

Should the police, after stopping a crime in process, beat the perpetrator to a pulp? I think not.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
86. They WERE trying to intervene...ina War Zone
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:29 PM
Sep 2015

By making the point ...Emphatically....that this Pedophile....Who Laughed about his child sexual abuser...better nit do it again (especially when this pedophile is doing it also out in the countryside where he can make sure no soldiers are around).
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Are you going to sit their...with a straight face...and try to tell us that....if this guy had chained your child to a bed, sexually abused him....was confronted...CONFESSED and laughed about it
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That you would not react?
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Puhhhhllllleeeeaaaasssseee

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
95. And yet, in another threat that you started,
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:00 AM
Sep 2015

you were defending those 2 football players that viciously attacked a ref for alleged racial slurs, which now turns out to be a lie.

Can you say hypocrisy much?

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
98. WTF...who could defend such a vicious assault
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 04:13 PM
Sep 2015

Thise two deserve permanent ban from the sport.
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That second hit was a visible criminal assault

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
99. Here's the link to the thread.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 07:23 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027196729

He wasn't defending the hit per se, but he was defending the kids and coach and accusing the ref of racial slurs despite no evidence.
Read the posts, they're interesting.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
106. If the practice has been going on with a wink and a nod from legal authorities
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

What exactly are we supposed to do?

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
107. Exactly
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:44 PM
Oct 2015

Same crap moi suffers from...in case against Romney
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Authorities "pretend" to be doing their job.
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Winking n patting Mitt on the ass... In hooe of the powerful rewarding their betrayal of the publics trust

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
48. Definition of a real hero.... is those who do the right thing - when the world is upside wrong
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:56 PM
Sep 2015

KUDOs to these soldier, Heroes - of wonderkind.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
84. by what process is it decided who is or is not one?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

The heinous nature of the charge gets some people to forget the innocent until proven guilty standard.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
89. Insane Inane: that Standard is an American court std
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:38 PM
Sep 2015

They are in a War Zone...with America giving its backing to this War Lord commander
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Who laughed about his sex abuse crimes as being okay...because Afghan Oligarchs get this "privileged" like dark age Brit Royals enjoyed Prima Nocte
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You are so obtuse to the facts

treestar

(82,383 posts)
82. Agreed. Don't want him thinking he has that authority when returns
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:30 PM
Sep 2015

Cop, judge and jury and sentence-carried out.

It's a complicated mess, because it's another country and enforcing their laws on their behalf, or our laws against them, is a whole new can of worms.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
7. I understand the need to keep good relations with militia commanders who support our military.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

But we have a duty to keep that sort of behavior off our bases.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. Disgusting culture
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

that would allow this and we should be ashamed we're turning away from it. Don't blame that marine even a little bit.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
10. Amen.... This type of protocol instills civil unrest in the ranks
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:57 PM
Sep 2015

Soldiers were killed by an abused kid, who was more angry at the "heroes" standing idle by

than the pedo's who abused him!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
60. What I don't get is how this culture thinks it is acceptable to rape young boys
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 05:35 AM
Sep 2015

but then turns around and executes adult homosexual men. Am I missing something?

Maybe there is something in this rape culture of young boys that leads to such violent extremism later in life. I have known of a lot of Christian Fundy men who were sexually abused by men as children. Just wondering if that kind of powerlessness would lead to the child growing up to have a more fundamentalist, authoritarian world view as an adult.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
62. The practices of many traditional cultures strike us enlightened folks as disgusting.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Sep 2015

Have a look sometime at traditional punishments in England such as drawing and quartering. Or the practice of slavery as practiced in the American south.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
66. Spare me the history lesson
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:00 AM
Sep 2015

THIS is going on NOW. Today. Why do you feel the need to use the magical balance fairy to try and minimize the behavior GOING ON TODAY?

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
67. No, I won't spare you the history lesson. Get off your high horse and lose the moral outrage.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:17 AM
Sep 2015

How about behavior like invading Iraq? Torture? Yes, using young boys as sexual slaves is disgusting. But no more disgusting than burning people alive in cages, letting millions of Americans suffer in poverty and breaking apart families to deport illegal aliens.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
69. Are you incapable
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:48 AM
Sep 2015

of being outraged about more than 1 think at a time? How sad for you. And to deflect from this - boys getting repeatedly raped - by pointing out that we, along with every other country on the fucking planet, is not perfect, stinks of more outrage than you're obviously capable of.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
70. Don't be dense.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

I was responding to your statement, "What I don't get is how this culture thinks it is acceptable to rape young boys." Not everyone in Afghanistan, certainly not a majority, thinks it is acceptable to rape boys, just as not everybody in the U.S. thinks torture is acceptable. How would your respond to a statement about the U.S., "What I don't get is how this culture thinks it acceptable to torture people to death." Your blind sense of moral superiority leads you to paint entire cultures with your rancid brush of righteous indignation.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
72. LOL - and here is where
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:09 PM
Sep 2015

you hide your head in shame. I didn't post that. You're confusing me with another poster. I'll take that apology any time.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
73. My reply applies equally to your characterization of Afghanistan as a "disgusting culture."
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:15 PM
Sep 2015

Everything I wrote applies equally to your post above. when are you going to man up and admit you were way off base with your condemnation of an entire culture for the sins of a minority?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
75. Yawn
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:20 PM
Sep 2015

Since I'm a woman, I have no desire to man up. And I was completely ON BASE calling a culture that not only allows but seems to encourage the rape of boys disgusting. That you don't is entirely your problem. And since YOU accused ME of writing something i clearly didn't you still owe me an apology. I doubt you have the grace for that.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
76. I have nothing to apologize for. You do, for lying about Afghans and their culture.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

The practice of Bacha bazi is confined to men in a position to abuse their authority. The vast majority of Afghans disapprove of the practice. Their stance against it was one reason for the Taliban's rapid rise to power. Please educate yourself before you go spouting off about other cultures.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
77. Spare me the apologist bullsht
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:32 PM
Sep 2015

So you've polled Afghans and surely you have a link to that poll which shows the VAST MAJORITY disapprove. So many disapprove that our guys are told to ignore it. I'm sure that makes some kind of backwards sense in your mind.

So you've gone from LYING about what I posted, to saying I was completely wrong about it to well, you're right but it's only for men in power. Really, stop digging. You're looking graceless and totally foolish for all the above and I certainly don't need an education from someone who can't follow a simple fucking thread and accuses me of posting things I never posted and then refuse to apologize for it.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
12. Correct.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:01 PM
Sep 2015

As the comment above states.... you can NOT have this type of behavior transpiring on OUR bases.

It is openly defying our Code & Rule of laws and everything decent.

Promote them and put them in charge of policy decisions task force.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
14. I have to confess that I'm bias (of sorts) having been sexually abused when I was 10
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:05 PM
Sep 2015

and my sister too was abused.

I'm also part of the Tree Climbers and One in Five networks (POTUS stat of 1 in 5 kids are abused was argued greatly).

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But - does that make me wrong to say that our country can NOT tolerate such behavior - much less on our bases.

These marines merely pushed the guy to the ground, to make a point.

I do have to admit that My bias would have taken me to the precipice of doing far harsher methods of making the point.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
24. It was a strange state of affairs.... my mother talked to another woman on the corner, in Queens
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:00 PM
Sep 2015

then snatched me up,,,, (I was crying knowing something was wrong - without knowing what I did)

She brought out the leather beast (a 3 inch wide belt that had Elvis Presley in Rhinestones written upon) and said I'm going to write Elvis into your ass...

When I asked her what it was that I did wrong... she said the other boy accused me of giving him a nickle to kiss me below.

I thought she meant my belly button.

The dilemma for my mother is that I never denied what I did wrong and I was denying this.

We were on the 2nd floor apt's just by Queens Blvd and there was a court (so to speak) where we could walk upon the roof of the 1st floor apartments - to each of the 4 surrounding the A/C vents for the ones below.

Mom had us sleep over at the other parties (family named Gooding) and they showed me what my mom really meant.

Every time I tried to tell people what my Christian family friends made me do - I was laughed to scorn;
but word got out at school (and into my files) and you'd hear the snicker of "there goes the punk"

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
30. Healing vibes to you laserhaas...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:45 PM
Sep 2015


I'm in the 1 in 3 Club of Girls.

I hope your wife is doing better, Healing vibes to her

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
19. They should have just reassigned him stateside
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:29 PM
Sep 2015

Also, if our military is condoning child rape, there needs to be a congressional investigation ASAP.

0rganism

(23,958 posts)
20. "congressional investigation ASAP" - i'm sure they'll get right on it
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:38 PM
Sep 2015

as soon as they wrap up the Benghazi thing...

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
22. K&R
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:44 PM
Sep 2015

It's also kidnapping and slavery, and it's a crime against humanity afaik. Sounds like we're in violation of treaties we've signed. And I was under the impression a US officer is under obligation not to go along with such crimes.

If instead of an Afghani it was a/an (insert nationality here) Congress would be in an uproar.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
50. At times, moi wishes I had picked a moniker, instead of name
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:58 PM
Sep 2015

At my fighting-corruption.com websites ... I'm Whamzees

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
38. So we have our first DUer who sees nothing wrong with Afghan pedophiles
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:33 PM
Sep 2015

since once in a while we've killed civilians.
GREAT comparison.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
40. Great idea to invade and occupy that shithole wasn't it?
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:36 PM
Sep 2015

I stand proud as on of the 8% who disapproved of Chimpy and that said the Afghanistan Invasion was fucking folly.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
47. Concur... being called unpatriotic at the time and daring to ask questions of how they can
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:47 PM
Sep 2015

find a passport (quickly by the way) - but the black boxes and all other else melted.

I'm one of the first to fund and see AE911Truth and Loose Change

Makes me sick how the truth is always Unpatriotic...

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. WTF is our military still doing in that godforsaken hell-hole anyway?
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:12 PM
Sep 2015

They're going to be there forever

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
54. A crucial point Lost in the personal outrage
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:05 PM
Sep 2015

A story like this burns the eyes. Repellent in the extreme at every level. And the sight of some respondents marching around in circle saluting their own asses is nearly as repugnant and I will tell you why. This is not an isolated incident. This is institutionalised pederasty. This was known to the American planners of this adventure and has been figured into the standard operating procedure. This has been going on since the beginning. Before the beginning. The U.S. Military not only condones this behaviour, it gives it sanctuary. These children are staring at the American flag flying over head, in between rape episodes...and they serve our emissarys tea with their rapists. Who is lower, the rapist or the pimp? We are the pimps. This, and Abu Graib are how the locals see American democracy. Pardon my language here, but the situation calls for it: Fuck your chain of command. The only truly American act is to resist...at that moment. I salute the man who took his mission seriously and ended his career by doing the right thing.

Response to laserhaas (Original post)

 

Maxinedaily

(32 posts)
79. Reading this story is surreal.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:17 AM
Sep 2015

It is unfathomable. What have we become when we let little boys get raped in order to achieve military goals? Disgusting.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
93. The story is so bad, I figure folks are hoping it's not for real
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:32 PM
Sep 2015

That's my guess for the relative lack of rec's.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
94. Its been documented as going on fir hundreds of years
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:00 PM
Sep 2015

Cognitive dissonance is a plague upon humanity
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that only serves to embolden bad faith acts

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
96. That is true, haas, but it has become a great deal worse and more common.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015

When social norms break down during prolonged warfare, anything goes.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
102. My point from the beginning has been that most Afghans abhor the practice.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 08:48 AM
Sep 2015

But that it is practiced by those with power and authority to get away with it. We should ban the practice from every American facility. We should not blame an entire culture for the actions of a depraved minority. You might have been able to put that together from my previous posts if you had minimal competence in reading comprehension.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
101. They do these horrors so openly any more....sick bastards all who looked the other way will
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:19 PM
Sep 2015

have to face their own accountability in aiding and abetting a heinous crime

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
104. Why does anyone bother to try and turn Afgahnistan into a functioning society. It has been a tribal
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:32 PM
Oct 2015

region since Alexander the Great. It is waste of lives and treasure to try and change the place.

Walk away and let it be what it is

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