Marine Forced into Retirement After Beating up US-Protected Pedophile
Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:07 PM - Edit history (3)
Source: Anti Media
Afghanistan At night we can hear them screaming, but were not allowed to do anything about it, Gregory Buckley, Sr. recalled his son telling him shortly before he was shot to death on base in southern Afghanistan in 2012.
Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. was distressed about the ongoing sexual abuse by Afghan police of boys brought back to base.
My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because its their culture
Once again, organized sexual abuse of children has returned to Afghanistan as an acceptable and even expected practice; and the problem is so pervasive it has a name bacha bazi literal translation: boy play.
{Special Forces Captain Dan } Quinn was relieved of duty and removed from Afghanistan after he beat up a U.S.-backed militia commander who kept a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave.
Read more: http://theantimedia.org/marine-forced-into-retirement-after-beating-up-us-protected-pedophile/
Wikipedia details the history of "bacha bazi" and the facts looming large that;
PBS has a 2010 Documentary filmed titled "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan"
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This story above does not detail the fact that Captain Quinn was not alone at the time of the incident. When the boy in question revealed his wounds and told his woes, it was too a Green Beret Sgt 1st Class Charles Martland and Captain Quinn who was "Team Leader" of an attachment to fight the Taliban in the Kunduz Province.
Upon confronting the accused commander Abdul Rahman... it is reported that Rahman continued laughing about how it was no big deal and then went on to beat up the boy's mother, for her kid reporting the crime.
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As one who has suffered the angst - That facts are never facts until someone of consequence reports them - (talking about moi's own case against Romney, Bain Cap and Goldman Sachs having confessions; but getting off 'Scot Free') - I'm able to see clear through the babbling, obfuscating BullChit by the Pentagon's claim that there was NO policy in place. When - in fact - this was the policy;
This is a direct quote from the New York Times article that started all the banter about these particular cases (see Sept. 20, 2015 NY Times item titled "U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies"
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[center][font size=4] Lance Corporal Buckley was killed by "Tea Boys" Abducted by Bazi Abuser Mr. Jan[/font][/center][br]
As noted by the PBS link above, everyone knew this was going on. Hence, the Pentagon has ZERO plausible deniability - that they didn't know this was going on. The policy the Pentagon claims was in place, was to have it reported to Afghan authorities; but that is BullChit too - and here's why.....
Per the NY Times article (here) Mr. Sanwar Jan was reported for his pedophile abuses. One of the U.S. military officers who reported that abuse - was Major Jason Brezler.
Bacha Bazi Abuser Sanwar Jan was arrested in 2010 and two years later put inside Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand.
Upon learning of this travesty of justice, Major Jason Brezler "dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him".
All to no avail - resulting in one of the boys with Mr. Jan, grabbing a gun, killing Lance Corporal Buckley and other Marines!
Father of Lance Corporal Buckley seeks answers, agonizing over whether his son was killed, as a result of this flawed policy. Meanwhile the Marines have initiated a process to involuntarily discharge Major Jason Brezler.
As the Pentagon fallaciously claims there was no policy of willful blindness and that no one can prove that there were any such orders official, all moi has to say on that matter, is that the Marine commanders also never had, in the manuals
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That the world,s worst evil, is good men who stand by idle by and do nothing in the face of evil.
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These good men tried to protect innocents if the future, by making a point......and many find fault with that.
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Sad state of affairs
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)you can't just take matters into your own hands and beat someone up, especially when it wasn't a reaction to save the child but was a later confrontation. You must show discipline in the military, especially as an officer. A slap on the wrist, though, should have been the most he faced. Not sure why he was forced out.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)protect pedophiles!
Do I make myself clear?
truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)they heard that this guy or that guy did something bad. The allegations of abuse should have been dealt with further up the chain of command, the abuser should have been removed from the base or turned over to Afghan authorities. The failure is of policy, and they need to correct that, it's sickening. But no, you can't just beat up locals in the military, no matter how disgusting they are to you, UNLESS you catch them in the act (not clear this happened) and have to defend someone else or yourself. To take matters into your own hands is a breakdown of discipline and order.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Hearing about something and confronting the guy, and then beating him up, is a different story. I don't fault the Marine for what he did, I can't blame him, but I also understand that he should be reprimanded somewhat, though it shouldn't be a career-ender. Edit to add: I can't stress enough that this is a failure of his senior officers, a failure of policy.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)These soldiers are hero's of the highest order and Captain Quinn was a TEAM Leader.
Leading by example that you don't turn a blind eye to pedophiles who CONFESS.
Where your angst (and the rest of U.S. should be) - is against our administrators at the top, giving such orders of protection.
It goes against EVERYTHING we're suppose to stand for.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)that pedophilia and sexual assault will not be tolerated among those who work with our troops, especially on shared facilities or American bases. Identified abusers must be removed. Letting your feelings take over, in a moment of disgust and frustration and anger, is perfectly natural and human, but a military officer can't indulge those feelings by beating up the person. That can lead to further problems down the road, first off (like retaliation/revenge), and is a poor example for enlisted personnel. Again, it shouldn't be a career ender, but it should be addressed as a minor disciplinary issue, IMO.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)This was a matter of honor and discipline was thrown out the door the moment the policy of protecting pedos was in place.
You can't argue that anyone has unclean hands (for the much lesser offense of pushing someone to the ground) when an Illegal order is in place!
This argument of yours is beyond moot - because the degree of reprehensibility goes far beyond shocking one's conscience!
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)chain of command are everything. If an officer gets adulation and no reprimand for indulging his anger and beating up a guy, no matter how odious that person is, then you can expect lower-ranking personnel to behave similarly, and then you have a discipline/behavior issue. There are better ways for the military to handle this, they shouldn't have drummed this guy out if this was his only offense. But you can't just get violent and take matters into your own hands. My opinion on that won't change.
christx30
(6,241 posts)They were ordered to ignore it, because the alliance is more important than innocent children.
"This guy is raping boys."
"We're aware. Ignore it."
"He has a kid chained to his bd."
"We're aware. Ignore it."
So what do you do then? Go to the press with crimes being committed by our military and allies? That worked out well for Chelsea Manning.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Only some of it has been made public. That said, neither officers nor enlisted personnel can confront anybody of their choosing and physically assault or kill them. People can't actually do that here, either--not even against known or suspected criminals, unless the act is occurring and must be stopped. But again, the policy should have been such that proper steps could have been taken against the perpetrators without putting our troops in such an awful position, possibly giving them the impression that they HAD to take matters into their own hands or forever suffer a guilty conscience. That's why I don't think they should throw the book at this guy.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)This whole affair needs more attention to a vulgar matter.
7962
(11,841 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)If the authorities won't help, people will always feel they have to act. But there are always alliances and things that are taken into account by the authorities, and the innocents will always suffer.
I'm 100% behind what this guy did. If I was in charge, I'd pack everything up and wish the Afghan government good luck with the Taliban.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I'm not telling you you're wrong for your feelings or for what you would do. I'm not even saying this guy is wrong, in the greater sense. Against the rules doesn't necessarily equal wrong, following the rules doesn't always equal the most moral path. But there are very good reasons why rules of conduct toward locals are in place for military personnel in war zones.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)We need an independent commission to receive complaints against the military policies.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The greater good is everything... all else are but colorful rationalizations as to why the greater good is something other than what it is.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)in place.... is the following;
Which is worse.... the mindset enlisted personnel have... upon hearing about Captain Quinn's deed?
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The fact that the bazi/ pedos are encouraged to do worse when this pedophile snitch was rewarded?
There are NO violations once an illegal (repulsively immoral) order is in place!
Or do you disagree - continuously?
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)our troops, NCO's and officers not having clear direction and training in how to deal with this. It puts them in a real bind, and probably emotional distress, to hear and see horrible things like this without a legal way to stop it.
ripcord
(5,421 posts)Telling members of the military to ignore kidnapping, slavery and child rape is blatantly illegal.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)military knows how to keep its higher ranks from being held accountable. This seems to have been more a broad policy, vague and ill-defined and made up as they went along, each situation either handled differently or ignored.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Were they ever OK? We have to codify something so obvious?
Fuck that. The Marine did the right thing regardless of chain of command.
Sure, prosecute him. Two words: Jury nullification.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)They forced the other guy out, too. Still too harsh under the circumstances. BTW, it's an Army Sgt. and Capt. we're talking about, I think.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)That would have been a hell of a trial.
A different venue (read: Penn State) and he would have been lauded (as he deserves to be now).
I hope someone hires him immediately and pays him what he's worth.
treestar
(82,383 posts)In court, under sworn statement? This guy was judge, jury, accuser and executioner (of his chosen penalty). How do we know his conclusions were fair? Not according to our system (and those are allegedly the values he is fighting to protect).
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I personally hate bullues and fight...Right Now...as big a battle as one can...against Donestic Finacial Terrorusts/Bullies...who are so powerful..fed agents. Agencies and courts assist them
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I find no fault in those that tried to PREVENT further sexual child abuse...in a War Zone...by making the point to a BULLY Abuser...that they meant business
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Real Deal...as Im one who suffered (much less than these boys over there) from childhood sexual abuse..the results would have been different.
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I would have told command...and when they said leave him alone...
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Then mii would have gladly went ti jail..even lose my life, as son as this BULLY child abuser dragged the next kid in
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Your arguments are twisted
razorman
(1,644 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Without "beating someone up"
Should the police, after stopping a crime in process, beat the perpetrator to a pulp? I think not.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)By making the point ...Emphatically....that this Pedophile....Who Laughed about his child sexual abuser...better nit do it again (especially when this pedophile is doing it also out in the countryside where he can make sure no soldiers are around).
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Are you going to sit their...with a straight face...and try to tell us that....if this guy had chained your child to a bed, sexually abused him....was confronted...CONFESSED and laughed about it
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That you would not react?
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Puhhhhllllleeeeaaaasssseee
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Then good for you.
laserhaas
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GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you were defending those 2 football players that viciously attacked a ref for alleged racial slurs, which now turns out to be a lie.
Can you say hypocrisy much?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thise two deserve permanent ban from the sport.
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That second hit was a visible criminal assault
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)He wasn't defending the hit per se, but he was defending the kids and coach and accusing the ref of racial slurs despite no evidence.
Read the posts, they're interesting.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)In taking positions contrarian.
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Sad state of being
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)What exactly are we supposed to do?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Same crap moi suffers from...in case against Romney
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Authorities "pretend" to be doing their job.
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Winking n patting Mitt on the ass... In hooe of the powerful rewarding their betrayal of the publics trust
snooper2
(30,151 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)KUDOs to these soldier, Heroes - of wonderkind.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)The heinous nature of the charge gets some people to forget the innocent until proven guilty standard.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)They are in a War Zone...with America giving its backing to this War Lord commander
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Who laughed about his sex abuse crimes as being okay...because Afghan Oligarchs get this "privileged" like dark age Brit Royals enjoyed Prima Nocte
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You are so obtuse to the facts
treestar
(82,383 posts)Cop, judge and jury and sentence-carried out.
It's a complicated mess, because it's another country and enforcing their laws on their behalf, or our laws against them, is a whole new can of worms.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)What?
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A can of pudfing!
Nitram
(22,822 posts)But we have a duty to keep that sort of behavior off our bases.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that would allow this and we should be ashamed we're turning away from it. Don't blame that marine even a little bit.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Soldiers were killed by an abused kid, who was more angry at the "heroes" standing idle by
than the pedo's who abused him!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)but then turns around and executes adult homosexual men. Am I missing something?
Maybe there is something in this rape culture of young boys that leads to such violent extremism later in life. I have known of a lot of Christian Fundy men who were sexually abused by men as children. Just wondering if that kind of powerlessness would lead to the child growing up to have a more fundamentalist, authoritarian world view as an adult.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Have a look sometime at traditional punishments in England such as drawing and quartering. Or the practice of slavery as practiced in the American south.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)THIS is going on NOW. Today. Why do you feel the need to use the magical balance fairy to try and minimize the behavior GOING ON TODAY?
Nitram
(22,822 posts)How about behavior like invading Iraq? Torture? Yes, using young boys as sexual slaves is disgusting. But no more disgusting than burning people alive in cages, letting millions of Americans suffer in poverty and breaking apart families to deport illegal aliens.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)of being outraged about more than 1 think at a time? How sad for you. And to deflect from this - boys getting repeatedly raped - by pointing out that we, along with every other country on the fucking planet, is not perfect, stinks of more outrage than you're obviously capable of.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)I was responding to your statement, "What I don't get is how this culture thinks it is acceptable to rape young boys." Not everyone in Afghanistan, certainly not a majority, thinks it is acceptable to rape boys, just as not everybody in the U.S. thinks torture is acceptable. How would your respond to a statement about the U.S., "What I don't get is how this culture thinks it acceptable to torture people to death." Your blind sense of moral superiority leads you to paint entire cultures with your rancid brush of righteous indignation.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you hide your head in shame. I didn't post that. You're confusing me with another poster. I'll take that apology any time.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Everything I wrote applies equally to your post above. when are you going to man up and admit you were way off base with your condemnation of an entire culture for the sins of a minority?
Since I'm a woman, I have no desire to man up. And I was completely ON BASE calling a culture that not only allows but seems to encourage the rape of boys disgusting. That you don't is entirely your problem. And since YOU accused ME of writing something i clearly didn't you still owe me an apology. I doubt you have the grace for that.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)The practice of Bacha bazi is confined to men in a position to abuse their authority. The vast majority of Afghans disapprove of the practice. Their stance against it was one reason for the Taliban's rapid rise to power. Please educate yourself before you go spouting off about other cultures.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)So you've polled Afghans and surely you have a link to that poll which shows the VAST MAJORITY disapprove. So many disapprove that our guys are told to ignore it. I'm sure that makes some kind of backwards sense in your mind.
So you've gone from LYING about what I posted, to saying I was completely wrong about it to well, you're right but it's only for men in power. Really, stop digging. You're looking graceless and totally foolish for all the above and I certainly don't need an education from someone who can't follow a simple fucking thread and accuses me of posting things I never posted and then refuse to apologize for it.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)This former military officer would not allow child abuse PERIOD.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)As the comment above states.... you can NOT have this type of behavior transpiring on OUR bases.
It is openly defying our Code & Rule of laws and everything decent.
Promote them and put them in charge of policy decisions task force.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and my sister too was abused.
I'm also part of the Tree Climbers and One in Five networks (POTUS stat of 1 in 5 kids are abused was argued greatly).
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But - does that make me wrong to say that our country can NOT tolerate such behavior - much less on our bases.
These marines merely pushed the guy to the ground, to make a point.
I do have to admit that My bias would have taken me to the precipice of doing far harsher methods of making the point.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)You are one of my favorites here.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)then snatched me up,,,, (I was crying knowing something was wrong - without knowing what I did)
She brought out the leather beast (a 3 inch wide belt that had Elvis Presley in Rhinestones written upon) and said I'm going to write Elvis into your ass...
When I asked her what it was that I did wrong... she said the other boy accused me of giving him a nickle to kiss me below.
I thought she meant my belly button.
The dilemma for my mother is that I never denied what I did wrong and I was denying this.
We were on the 2nd floor apt's just by Queens Blvd and there was a court (so to speak) where we could walk upon the roof of the 1st floor apartments - to each of the 4 surrounding the A/C vents for the ones below.
Mom had us sleep over at the other parties (family named Gooding) and they showed me what my mom really meant.
Every time I tried to tell people what my Christian family friends made me do - I was laughed to scorn;
but word got out at school (and into my files) and you'd hear the snicker of "there goes the punk"
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)I'm in the 1 in 3 Club of Girls.
I hope your wife is doing better, Healing vibes to her
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thanks
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Also, if our military is condoning child rape, there needs to be a congressional investigation ASAP.
0rganism
(23,958 posts)as soon as they wrap up the Benghazi thing...
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It's also kidnapping and slavery, and it's a crime against humanity afaik. Sounds like we're in violation of treaties we've signed. And I was under the impression a US officer is under obligation not to go along with such crimes.
If instead of an Afghani it was a/an (insert nationality here) Congress would be in an uproar.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Thanks for posting this one.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)that MUST be fixed
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)we shouldn't say a thing.
7962
(11,841 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)At my fighting-corruption.com websites ... I'm Whamzees
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Whamzees!
7962
(11,841 posts)since once in a while we've killed civilians.
GREAT comparison.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Irrelevance, they name is but a wee song.
Darb
(2,807 posts)I stand proud as on of the 8% who disapproved of Chimpy and that said the Afghanistan Invasion was fucking folly.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)find a passport (quickly by the way) - but the black boxes and all other else melted.
I'm one of the first to fund and see AE911Truth and Loose Change
Makes me sick how the truth is always Unpatriotic...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)They're going to be there forever
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)A story like this burns the eyes. Repellent in the extreme at every level. And the sight of some respondents marching around in circle saluting their own asses is nearly as repugnant and I will tell you why. This is not an isolated incident. This is institutionalised pederasty. This was known to the American planners of this adventure and has been figured into the standard operating procedure. This has been going on since the beginning. Before the beginning. The U.S. Military not only condones this behaviour, it gives it sanctuary. These children are staring at the American flag flying over head, in between rape episodes...and they serve our emissarys tea with their rapists. Who is lower, the rapist or the pimp? We are the pimps. This, and Abu Graib are how the locals see American democracy. Pardon my language here, but the situation calls for it: Fuck your chain of command. The only truly American act is to resist...at that moment. I salute the man who took his mission seriously and ended his career by doing the right thing.
reddread
(6,896 posts)lets remember who is truly responsible.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Kicking this thread.
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Maxinedaily
(32 posts)It is unfathomable. What have we become when we let little boys get raped in order to achieve military goals? Disgusting.
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)It appears that a decade later Halliburton and Dyncorp are no longer supplying victims to the perps, so there's that.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/010106sexslavescandal.htm
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Make those still being abused
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Feel so much better
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)That's my guess for the relative lack of rec's.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Cognitive dissonance is a plague upon humanity
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that only serves to embolden bad faith acts
Nitram
(22,822 posts)When social norms break down during prolonged warfare, anything goes.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Is
Nitram
(22,822 posts)But that it is practiced by those with power and authority to get away with it. We should ban the practice from every American facility. We should not blame an entire culture for the actions of a depraved minority. You might have been able to put that together from my previous posts if you had minimal competence in reading comprehension.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)have to face their own accountability in aiding and abetting a heinous crime
Monk06
(7,675 posts)region since Alexander the Great. It is waste of lives and treasure to try and change the place.
Walk away and let it be what it is
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)There's more to that place than meets the eyes