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brooklynite

(94,703 posts)
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:00 PM Sep 2015

Trump says he's not 'morally obligated' to defend Obama against claims

Source: CNN

Donald Trump on Saturday said it is not his job to correct supporters' claims about the President, defending his decision not to take issue with a man who disparaged Muslims and said President Barack Obama is not an American.

But Trump did not dispute the man's allegations made at a town hall event this week, and added that if someone criticized him to Obama, there would be "no chance" the President would come to his defense.

"Am I morally obligated to defend the president every time somebody says something bad or controversial about him? I don't think so!" he tweeted Saturday morning.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/19/politics/donald-trump-obama-twitter/index.html



This is the kind of bluster that I think is going to backfire...
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Trump says he's not 'morally obligated' to defend Obama against claims (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2015 OP
donny boy, you have a moral obligation to be truthful--but then, not being truthful is sort of your niyad Sep 2015 #1
+1 cheapdate Sep 2015 #26
So now he's saying he DID hear the question? mainer Sep 2015 #2
"I am not morally obligated to make conclusions based on facts". Not good thinking, for a President. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #3
Even McCain corrected that crazy woman in 2008 DeeDeeNY Sep 2015 #4
He barely corrected her. pangaia Sep 2015 #6
"Frightened"? Lychee2 Sep 2015 #27
They are frightened because they feel a deep emptiness inside, pangaia Sep 2015 #32
Could be. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #33
Could also be. pangaia Sep 2015 #66
That queasy feeling might always be there. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #68
Which was which? jmowreader Sep 2015 #63
Your question could be taked seriously... pangaia Sep 2015 #67
When you have no positive morals, then, no, you are not morally obligated. graegoyle Sep 2015 #5
Great statement. But it's all relative to who's doing the analysis. erronis Sep 2015 #11
No. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #34
Wrong. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #28
When a person is financially bankrupt... graegoyle Sep 2015 #50
"Expect." Lychee2 Sep 2015 #52
I never said he should not be blamed. graegoyle Sep 2015 #58
And when someone else declares themself christx30 Sep 2015 #60
I stopped reading at "themself." Lychee2 Sep 2015 #64
Confirmation Enoki33 Sep 2015 #7
Of course you're not "obligated" to tell the truth. world wide wally Sep 2015 #8
Really? Lychee2 Sep 2015 #29
From Trump world wide wally Sep 2015 #39
True, it speaks to his character more than anything. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #42
I have a neologism for Mr. Trump. 3catwoman3 Sep 2015 #51
Worth a second watch Obama puts Trump in his place JB in A2 Sep 2015 #9
I hadn't seen that segment - absolutely wonderful. I'll miss our current President! erronis Sep 2015 #15
Excellent. Bush should use this in his commercials. L. Coyote Sep 2015 #16
And, if my memory serves me correctly, Raine1967 Sep 2015 #24
Trumpet did not like being the butt of those jokes - O was right on wordpix Sep 2015 #38
That was great! treestar Sep 2015 #46
The other GOP candidates should study this, and utilize Obama's technique in the next debate.. frylock Sep 2015 #48
Part of being a credible leader is calling BS, BS perdita9 Sep 2015 #10
His supporters will eat this up of course. Their hatred of President Obama is pathological. totodeinhere Sep 2015 #12
trump wouldn't recognize a moral obligation Cirque du So-What Sep 2015 #13
OK, so we know you hate Trump. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #30
Why should a lying POS be concerned about the truth? mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #14
Big deal - not Geronimoe Sep 2015 #17
I don't think it will backfire. Teabaggers love this kind of bluster question everything Sep 2015 #18
Spoken just like a birther Republican. They'll all go their entire lives attacking their 'enemies' & Sunlei Sep 2015 #19
But he's been hobnobbing in Indonesia, the biggest Muslim majority country in the world, recently Turborama Sep 2015 #20
What Morals Wibly Sep 2015 #21
What am I; my bruddah's keepah, or sumpin'? mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #22
One needs to have morals to be morally obligated. Raine1967 Sep 2015 #23
No. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #31
And in the real world, how are they held to this obligation? world wide wally Sep 2015 #44
perhaps. Raine1967 Sep 2015 #61
I thought Trump made it clear he agrees Bradical79 Sep 2015 #25
Repukes lie as a rule wolfie001 Sep 2015 #35
Horsepucky: Trump is morally obligated to refute such claims Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #36
Denying the truth: it's what Republicans do. LuckyLib Sep 2015 #37
"This is the kind of bluster that I think is going to backfire..." passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #40
truthiness restorefreedom Sep 2015 #41
Trump is a coward Gothmog Sep 2015 #43
I don't think it will backfire. David__77 Sep 2015 #45
NEAT TRICK! cynzke Sep 2015 #47
"This is the kind of bluster that I think is going to backfire" awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #49
I agree, While trolling some Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #53
Welcome to DU alcibiades_mystery Sep 2015 #56
I'd be interested in knowing what he believes his moral obligations are. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #54
Trump turning this into some sort of equivalency is audacious, moonscape Sep 2015 #55
I think we are in the last phase of the Trump phenomenon oberliner Sep 2015 #57
I don't think this is going to hurt trump christx30 Sep 2015 #59
I hope it does too, but not so sure it will be the last straw davidpdx Sep 2015 #62
Ethically speaking, Trump has the obligation to correct and no_hypocrisy Sep 2015 #65
he doesnt even understand the job he Rose77 Sep 2015 #69

niyad

(113,527 posts)
1. donny boy, you have a moral obligation to be truthful--but then, not being truthful is sort of your
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:05 PM
Sep 2015

modus operandi, is it not?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. "I am not morally obligated to make conclusions based on facts". Not good thinking, for a President.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:09 PM
Sep 2015

Birther Trump.....Act II...The Sinking.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
6. He barely corrected her.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:19 PM
Sep 2015

And..umm... I don't think trumple's behavior relates to McCain at all.
I mean, just two people. One a mentally disturbed, frightened, empty blowhard' the other, a failed, frightened, empty shell.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. They are frightened because they feel a deep emptiness inside,
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 03:11 PM
Sep 2015

know they have wasted their lives, and fear death.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
33. Could be.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 03:17 PM
Sep 2015

Or they could be so self-deceived that they think they are big achievers, who will go to heaven because of all their good deeds in promoting free enterprise and self-reliance, whose benefits trickle down to everyone.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
67. Your question could be taked seriously...
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 08:54 AM
Sep 2015

or as sarcasm.. because they are both so disturbed.

I mean, I had a particular one in mind for each example, but....






erronis

(15,328 posts)
11. Great statement. But it's all relative to who's doing the analysis.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

By DT's perspective, everyone else is immoral since they're not sliming their way to the top like he did.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
34. No.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 03:20 PM
Sep 2015

It's not all relative. People can make moral mistakes and commit moral misdeeds regardless of whether they think they are doing the right thing or not.

graegoyle

(532 posts)
50. When a person is financially bankrupt...
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 06:00 PM
Sep 2015

(which TheRump has used to protect his wealth) you don't, necessarily, expect payment. When a person is morally bankrupt, you, similarly, don't expect payment. When a person's moral deficiencies are such as TheRump's, you should not ask for apologies; you should just mock and ridicule.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
52. "Expect."
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 06:40 PM
Sep 2015

Right, you don't anticipate good behavior from an a**hole. But that doesn't exempt him from the obligation not to be an a**hole. Otherwise, we could all just declare moral bankruptcy by admitting that we are a**holes and never get blamed for anything again!

Next time I spill wine on my host's carpet, I'll try that. I'll say, "Don't blame me! I'm an a**hole."

graegoyle

(532 posts)
58. I never said he should not be blamed.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:51 PM
Sep 2015

On the contrary: He should be mocked and ridiculed. Remorselessly and relentlessly.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
60. And when someone else declares themself
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:38 PM
Sep 2015

morally bankrupt, treat them like we treat someone that is financially bankrupt, and don't get them a bit of credit for anything at all.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
7. Confirmation
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

here in Trump's response of how reprehensible he is and how low his level of moral responsibility really is. I wonder if all his business activities would withstand a little closer scrutiny. Anyone who thinks their ego supersedes all has much to hide.

world wide wally

(21,754 posts)
8. Of course you're not "obligated" to tell the truth.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

It's a matter of character and class which you would have no clue about.
But it does prove one thing: Even $10 billion can't buy you class or character.

Do you want to know what character is? That is like the NYPD officer gave a pair of shoes to a homeless man. Something you could never dream of relating to. An example of class would be when someone gives their seat to a pregnant woman on a bus.
I am sure all of this is totally foreign to you.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
42. True, it speaks to his character more than anything.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:23 PM
Sep 2015

And like most of his supporters, his is of very low quality. They will always take the easy road, do only what is best for them and only them.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
24. And, if my memory serves me correctly,
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:19 PM
Sep 2015

This was just after or before Bin Laden had been taken care of….

frylock

(34,825 posts)
48. The other GOP candidates should study this, and utilize Obama's technique in the next debate..
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 05:11 PM
Sep 2015

that bozo does not respond well to insults.

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
10. Part of being a credible leader is calling BS, BS
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:30 PM
Sep 2015

Donald Trump lacks this very basic leadership skills.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
12. His supporters will eat this up of course. Their hatred of President Obama is pathological.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

And most of his followers probably do believe that President Obama is a Muslim. Of course the President is a Christian, but even if he were a Muslim there would be nothing wrong with that.

Cirque du So-What

(25,965 posts)
13. trump wouldn't recognize a moral obligation
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:44 PM
Sep 2015

if it jumped up and bit 'little Donnie.' Business partners & investors who lost their shirts in his harebrained schemes? Fuck'em! Wives who have grown a bit long in the tooth to qualify for 'trophy' status? Trade 'em in on a newer model! Recognize that acknowledging sexual attraction to your own daughter - without a shred of embarrassment, mind you - makes you come off as a skeevy perv? Never crossed his mind!

mnhtnbb

(31,401 posts)
14. Why should a lying POS be concerned about the truth?
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:44 PM
Sep 2015

This is just indicative of Trump's character. And the fact that he can't imagine President
Obama correcting an obvious falsehood about Trump? Well, that tells you he expects
everyone to be as amoral as he is.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
17. Big deal - not
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 12:54 PM
Sep 2015

Hillary in 2008, started this. She was asked if he is a muslin and she said as fair as I know he isn't. Soon after they attacked Michelle, Rev Wright for hating America and Obama's supposed association anti-Vietnam radicals.

Hillary's supper pac is already claiming Bernie is friendly to terrorists, Hugo Chavez, and other extreme socialists. Just a couple of weeks ago Hillary said the GOP are terrorists.

McCain defended Obama in a town hall meeting, however Sarah Palin continued to drum up the hate and racism.

question everything

(47,521 posts)
18. I don't think it will backfire. Teabaggers love this kind of bluster
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:12 PM
Sep 2015

and most of them do agree that Obama is a Muslim and a Socialist and a Kenyan and... add your pick.

Many Republicans probably thought McCain civil reply in 2008 was a sign of a wimp.

Let's remember. Republicans have mastered the art of the "in your face." Starting with yelling "you lie" at the State of the Union Address and coming to rallies with Obama carrying guns in public.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. Spoken just like a birther Republican. They'll all go their entire lives attacking their 'enemies' &
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:16 PM
Sep 2015

pretending their Republican birther scam was reality.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
20. But he's been hobnobbing in Indonesia, the biggest Muslim majority country in the world, recently
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:26 PM
Sep 2015

How's he going to explain that to his followers...?



Donald Trump's hotel group partners Indonesia's MNC to manage Bali resort

Aug 20 U.S. billionaire Donald Trump's hotel group has partnered Indonesia's MNC Group, a conglomerate controlled by tycoon Hary Tanoesoedibjo, to manage a luxury resort and residential development on the Indonesian island of Bali.

The property will be the first in Asia for New York-based Trump Hotel Collection, which launched in 2007, the companies said in a statement.

MNC Group has businesses including media, financial services and property.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/trump-indonesia-idUSL3N10V2A720150820

Wibly

(613 posts)
21. What Morals
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:33 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Sat Sep 19, 2015, 03:02 PM - Edit history (1)

What would Trump know about morals. The guy wants to do his own daughter for goodness sakes.
He's not fit to comment on what is morally right or wrong.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
23. One needs to have morals to be morally obligated.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:13 PM
Sep 2015

So, I guess he answered my next question: Does Trump have any morals at all?

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
61. perhaps.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:52 PM
Sep 2015

Trump however, is the exception.

he made it pretty clear that he does not care about morality.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
25. I thought Trump made it clear he agrees
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:37 PM
Sep 2015

Wasn't he one of the lead birthers that fueled this idiot train?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
36. Horsepucky: Trump is morally obligated to refute such claims
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 03:35 PM
Sep 2015

This isn't just something bad or controversial about President Obama. It's complete and utter nonsense.

The charge that Obama is a Muslim and a foreign agent of some kind is false, has been proved false and isn't taken seriously by any intelligent person anywhere. Assuming that Mr. Trump is an intelligent person, then he is just pandering to the lowest, most ignorant part of American society.

He owes the President and the American people an apology, but I won't hold my breath waiting for this boor to make it.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
40. "This is the kind of bluster that I think is going to backfire..."
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:07 PM
Sep 2015

Not with his base. They love this stuff. They also hate Obama.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
47. NEAT TRICK!
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 05:03 PM
Sep 2015

Shifts blame to Obama to deflect from his own FAILURE. Trump is a PRO at this. When asked a difficult question or challenged, he deflects by attacking his opponent.....hey guys, I FU and gave a stupid answer, failed miserably, but now I'll point my finger at that guy over there and make some excuse. PATHETIC, but it works with STUPID people.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
49. "This is the kind of bluster that I think is going to backfire"
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think so. Republicans eat that shit up.

Ichigo Kurosaki

(167 posts)
53. I agree, While trolling some
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 07:32 PM
Sep 2015

RW postings around the web I saw some using Harry Reid as an example of a double standard.
It was along the lines that we didn't defend Mitt when Harry accused him of not paying taxes for 10 years so why should they defend Obama.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
55. Trump turning this into some sort of equivalency is audacious,
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:04 PM
Sep 2015

just like everything else about him.

He doesn't scare me in terms of having any chance, but in terms of my country allowing this man such a microphone.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
57. I think we are in the last phase of the Trump phenomenon
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:22 PM
Sep 2015

I predict folks are done with him completely within a month.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
59. I don't think this is going to hurt trump
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:35 PM
Sep 2015

like Romney's "47% thing" hurt him.

People that are going to vote for trump aren't going to be bothered by this at all. They'll celebrate it. I've been reading it all over the other sites I frequent.

And people that are offended by this weren't going to vote for trump anyway.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
62. I hope it does too, but not so sure it will be the last straw
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 11:57 PM
Sep 2015

He's said a lot of stupid things and gotten away with it.

no_hypocrisy

(46,160 posts)
65. Ethically speaking, Trump has the obligation to correct and
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 08:27 AM
Sep 2015

replace mistakes with facts. That gives him credibility and integrity, both of which he sorely lacks.

 

Rose77

(57 posts)
69. he doesnt even understand the job he
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 08:42 PM
Sep 2015

wants us to give him!!! the highest office in the land has many legal and moral obligations that he is already saying means nothing to him other than money and power which I believe he is losing....

Feeling the Bern!! a man who stands with us ALL.
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