Danish teen kills mother after watching videos of Islamic State murders
Source: The Australian
A Danish mother was stabbed to death by her teenage daughter and her daughter’s Iraqi boyfriend after the pair repeatedly watched videos of brutal Islamic State murders.
Lisa Borch was 15 when she carried out the murder with her 28-year-old boyfriend, Mohammed Bakhtiar Abdullah, because they were angry at her mother’s attempts to end their relationship.
Videos of Isis beheadings were found to have been watched numerous times on Abdullah’s laptop in the days leading up to the stabbing, along with internet searches for “what happens after parents have died”.
The court in Hjorring, a town on the northern tip of the Jutland, heard that both defendants used the computer. Borch had keys to Abdullah’s apartment and shared the laptop. “This was a murder committed against a defenceless victim, who was asleep in her home,” said Karina Skou, the prosecutor.
Read more: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/danish-teen-kills-mother-after-watching-videos-of-islamic-state-murders/story-fnb64oi6-1227530765957
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DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)The pedophile 28yrold boyfriend convinced his 15yrold victim to murder her mother who wanted to end the relationship between her 15yrold daughter and the 28yrold pedophile.
ISIS had fuckall to do with it.
GermanSmoker
(91 posts)The age of consent in Denmark is 15.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)The law doesn't make her sexually mature.
That's a US point of view, not a european one.
DRoseDARs
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Xithras
(16,191 posts)Age of consent laws have nothing to do with physical maturity. They aren't even about mental maturity, because most 15 year olds are more than capable of providing consent. Age of consent laws are designed to prevent abuse of young people by legally removing their ability to consent until they've reached the age of majority. The best analogy I can think of is an 15 year old without a drivers license. They may know how to drive, and may be perfectly capable of driving safely and responsibly, but society has decided to withhold legal permission to drive for their own protection. We want them to have more time to practice before striking out on their own. It's not that a 15 year old is incapable of consenting, but that they're not legally allowed to do so.
Age of consent laws were an early victory of the womens liberation movement, and were designed to end the age-old practice of families marrying their daughters off at 14 or 15 years old. Early suffragists realized that women could never be social and workforce equals if they weren't educated and allowed to grow into their own "selves" before marriage, and that most women ceased their education once they were married and started having children. When a young woman passes from her family home directly to her marital home at only 14 or 15 years old, her ability to develop her own sense of "self", and to complete her growth into an independent adult, is stymied. By implementing age of consent laws, young women were given more time to complete their educations, to develop independent opinions about the world, and to become better citizens. This, incidentally, is also why the age of consent tends to be higher and have fewer exceptions in liberal states like California and New York, and lower in more conservative states. Historically, the age of consent was seen as a progressive political issue.
Age of consent laws vary because different nations found different ways to deal with that problem. In the religious United States, the solution was simply to ban sex before 16-17 years of age (banning things we don't like has ALWAYS been a favored solution in the U.S.). In Europe, the problem was addressed primarily by raising the requirements for marriage and by mandating schooling through the age of majority (they made it harder to marry young women, and said that even if they did get married, they still had to stay in school). They're different solutions to the same problem, and one solution isn't necessarily better than the other.
And, for what it's worth, medical science defines pedophilia as an attraction to people who haven't yet completed puberty. In most girls, puberty is medically complete by age 14. Men who pursue 14 year old girls are certainly predators, but they're not technically pedophiles.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)means that a woman's eggs are as old as she is.
When a 16-year-old gives birth, the chances of having a (mentally/physically) defective
child are something like 1 per 4000 births. Giving birth at age 45, the ratio has
degenerated to 2 defective children per 100 births. They possibly took this into
consideration in making their laws in some European countries.
Oddly enough, most countries in Europe don't allow young people to drive until
age 18.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The laws were established long before science became involved in the debate.
The differences in how the United States and Europe handled the issue largely came down to differences in the way Americans and Europeans perceive minors and their civil rights. Americans have always tended to view their children as their parents property until they reach adulthood, and minors have historically only been afforded the civil rights that their parents choose to grant them (though there's been some progress on that front over the past 50 years). Europe has a long history of viewing children as individuals in their own right, and have historically (in the modern era) generally afforded children the same civil and individual rights as adults. Europeans also have a long history of being far less prudish about sex than Americans over the past couple hundred years.
When the women's equality movements began pushing for an end to youth marriage in the late 1800's, the two parts of the planet faced the same fundamental question. What is the appropriate role of the state when a sexually and mentally mature teenager wants to engage in sex, but youth pregnancy and marriage is detrimental to society as a whole? The American solution was to strip teens of the right to determine how to use their own bodies (after all, sex is just for making babies after you're married anyway.) By removing the right to give consent, all sex with underage partners legally becomes rape. This was seen as a win-win by campaigners at the time, as it both protected young women AND promoted chastity.
The European solution was to stay out of their personal decisions on who to have sex with, and instead impose laws that made marriage more difficult and which promoted the education and development of young women into equal members of society. Germany, for example, established a minimum age of sexual consent at 14 (based on the average age when sexual maturity occurs) but raised the minimum age for marriage to 18 (16 with parental or court consent). They also extended the compulsory education laws so that teens couldn't opt-out of school simply because they were married or had kids. Same problem, different solution.
Both solutions worked. Youth marriage rates in America and in Europe plunged after the laws were changed, and the changes did indeed lead to a huge improvement in the number of young women completing school. Whether one solution is "better" than the other is really just a matter of opinion and perspective.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The headline is not misleading - it is entirely accurate.
Whereas nothing you've written in your response is.
From Time Magazine:
A Danish Teen Has Been Jailed for Killing Her Mother in an ISIS-Inspired Attack
Lisa Borch, 15, planned to join ISIS in Syria with her Iraqi boyfriend after the killing
A Danish teenage girl has been sentenced to nine years in jail for murdering her mother in what appears to be an ISIS-inspired killing.
The Independent reports that just minutes before the fatal assault occurred in October of last year, 15-year-old Lisa Borch had spent hours watching ISIS videos of the decapitations of the two British hostages, David Haines and Alan Henning.
A Danish court heard that the teen planned to join ISIS in Syria with her Iraqi boyfriend, Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla, 29. His fingerprints were also found at the scene of the crime and he has been sentenced to 13 years.
http://time.com/4035870/danish-teen-isis-mother-murder-lisa-borch/
samsingh
(17,599 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)are working triple time today. If they can't blame the west, they're not interested.
OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)Codeine
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What kind of a 28-year-old wants a kid that age, legality notwithstanding?snooper2
(30,151 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I think that was probably one motivation anyway.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Kotya
(235 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)Let them have at it.
Sunlei
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Brickbat
(19,339 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Danish law says so. It's different in Europe. She was probably working on her 401k at the time and planning her retirement.
JI7
(89,252 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)They are available online.
The videos were definitely the issue here.
They are what led her to her "boyfriend" in the first place.
geek tragedy
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rollin74
(1,976 posts)ridiculously lenient sentences instead
Borch (15 yr old girl) got 9 years
and Abdulla (29 yr old) got 13 years
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can see the girl, perhaps, due to her age. Although I even think she got off too easy. However he is an adult and he is only getting 13 years for what is essentially a hate crime?
