Prospect of shutdown grows

[brooklynite]

Source: The Hill

The prospect of a second government shutdown in two years is growing as House conservatives pledge to oppose any funding measure that includes money for Planned Parenthood.

GOP leaders face a familiar problem.

A measure that blocks funding for Planned Parenthood would almost certainly lack the votes to pass the Senate, and would be vetoed by President Obama.

But Republicans in the House don't have enough GOP votes to approve a funding measure that continues funding for Planned Parenthood, and don't want to negotiate with Democrats.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/253443-prospect-of-shutdown-grows

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I have cut off funding to candidates who supported defunding PP in the past; the same will apply this year.

[Demeter]

1. If the GOP does this, they will see a tsunami of bad consequences

that will wash them out of government for a decade, or more if we get good Democrats (not those Blue DOGS) to take their places.

The People have had enough, and they aren't shy about saying so. With Bernie as the guiding light, we might just turn this place around!

[NutmegYankee]

5. Not a chance.

They did this in 2013 and got even more power in Congress the next election.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. But 2013 wasn't the year before a Presidential election

when more of the electorate wake up and actually vote. That is why Turtle and Cheeto keep trying to downplay the thing. It may work for them before "off year" elections when their loons tend to vote and much of the rest of the electorate snoozes, but for Presidential elections (with the billions that will be spent), there's an entirely different dynamic going on.

As a case in point, when Gingrich did his shutdown strut in 1995 (which was the last time the government was shut down until the 2013 closure), he did it the winter before the 1996 Presidential election. And the rest is history as the result was that Clinton became the first Democrat since Roosevelt to serve more than one (elected) term.

When they did the shut down in 2013, there were many in the media doing the comparisons of consequences based on that previous shutdown, but without pointing out the differences between off year versus Presidential year election cycles and the voting percentages.

[bvar22]

6. I thought that would happen when they targeted ACORN,

but the Democratic Party ran away from ACORN as fast as they could.
I have never seen a Democratic Administration abandon an organization like ACORN as fast as they did,
because a threat from a twerp like Brietbart.

Our Party Leadership dropped ACORN and ran like a scared rabbit leaving a trail of yellow urine in their wake.

I don't trust our Leadership to take a real STAND for Planned Parenthood.
Our Leadership hasn't really fought for ANYTHING except the TPP and a WAR with Syria.

[n2doc]

11. And so far they (Democrats) have been issuing pretty weak sauce in defense of PP

Very few attempts to support the group. Seems similar.

[bvar22]

13. It makes me wonder,

but most of the time I KNOW.
Do you have issues with "Abandonment" ,
because that is what our Party Leadership has done for the Working/Middle Class & The Poor.

[Fred Sanders]

16. I agree 100% that is what happened with ACORN. If the PP smear is allowed to stand what hope is

there for a functioning democracy headed into 2016.

No....more...lies. And time for consequences.

[ananda]

29. That's why we need someone like Sanders!

We need Democrats who are Democrats!

[Chasstev365]

21. Ding! Ding Ding!

WE HAVE A WINNER! Sadly, you are so spot on!

[Le Taz Hot]

25. That was supposed to happen last time

and, thanks to COMPLETE INEPTNESS, the DNC let the Republicans GAIN ground and take over the Senate. But as long as DWS has her job, that's what's important.

Fuck all of these people.

[Fred Sanders]

31. Implying the ACORN non-reaction by Democrats and media was all the DNC's fault is not credible.

[PSPS]

2. And this is why the GOP will never win an election outside of a gerrymandered district.

The only people promoting the idea that the 2016 presidential race is competitive are those whose livelihood relies on it being perceived as so (i.e., media that relies on people tuning in and hearing/seeing/reading the ads they sell, media that relies on campaigns buying ad time.)

Even senate races and other statewide races can't fly with this nonsense. They can't get by anymore merely by being "against that black guy in the white house."

[bluevoter4life]

3. Fuck the GOP

I am a federal employee and this is now the second time in three years I have to face the prospect of working without a paycheck for who knows how long. Fuck the GOP.

[madville]

17. That's why I like being "non-essential"

At least I didn't have to go to work and then got paid for the days off anyway after it was over which makes no sense.

[bluevoter4life]

28. Yeah, being essential at these times BLOWS

Then they have the audacity to say "Well, I know you were forced to take a furlough day, but you can get paid for it if you take Sick or Annual leave for that day." Our union fought that fight, but ultimately lost.

[napi21]

4. I thought McNutball saidd "NO MORE SHUTDOWNS!"

I realize that all funding originates in the House, but surely the Pub election leaders have enough influence over the nuts to convince them that it's just not something you do in an election year!

[Demeter]

15. Not that anyone has noticed

The Tea Party is a law unto itself. Boehner just thinks he runs the show.

[DCBob]

23. Yes, he did but he cant control all the lunatics in his party.

But in the end I think the "sane" Republicans will prevail.

[Demeter]

26. We're doomed, then!

[bucolic_frolic]

7. Some of the elections and the outcome of this kerfuffle

depends upon how well PP defends itself and the services it provides

It really is being tarred and feathered, particularly in churches I would imagine

Yet young and old and poor depend on its services

The GOP alternative to PP is what exactly? The same as the alternative
to Obamacare?

Someone needs to remind the public what PP does for them

I doubt Obama will be in that debate unless or until he vetoes
a denuded budget

[MBS]

8. oh, joy.

The last one was a bloody waste of time and energy AND a waste of federal tax dollars. (It costs money to draw up contingency plans, and time to implement them.
Not to mention chaotic.

If they go through with this, the Dem Party should target not only those who voted to block funding for Planned Parenthood, but also any Republican (presumably, all of them) who worked to bring us to another shutdown.

How these people can portray themselves as "patriots", and how any voters can think of these bigoted, small-minded obstructionists as "patriots" is beyond my understanding.

[turbinetree]

10. If this is the case,................................

I also will and have not given any money to anyone that votes for this cr*************p .
Social Security checks will stop and other programs------------------while these right wing twits and they are right wing twits keep getting a pay check.
And every democratic Senator and Congressional Democrat person should forgo there paycheck or money and donate to Planned Parenthood-----------is there a petition that can be started?


I also think ALL 45 democratic senators should first and foremost filibuster any resolution.

Then in the house, not one and I mean not one democrat should get up and speak, they should ALL walk out, every last one of them--------------------------

United we stand----------------divided we fall



Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[n2doc]

12. I guarantee they will keep SS and medicare going

Same with military spending. It will be another "essential services" vs. "nonessential services" divide. They know the drill- don't do anything that might piss off the old fox-viewing geezers that make up their base.

And I would not be surprised to see more stunts like the "vets going to see memorials and getting turned away" crap that happened last time.

[MBS]

14. Yes, this would be the drill. n/t

[davidpdx]

20. If you start the petition I'll support it.

[turbinetree]

30. I went to change.org..........................................

and I think I started the process correctly-----------------we need a petition
This needs to expose ALL of those that either believe this edited stuff or believe in fairness.
Not one official from Planned Parenthood was called in the right wing judicial hearing and not one individual that made up this propaganda video was called not one------------to speak under OATH----------------this just shows the hypocrisy



Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Depaysement]

18. I can't recall ever giving to anyone . . .

. . . before or after they voted against funding PP. How can you be a Dem and not support PP?

[november3rd]

19. GOP Congress persons

GOP Congress persons are selfish and stupid: a deadly combination in a democracy, or any form of government, for that matter.

We really have to become messengers and light up the grass roots to get these blockheads out of there!

[DCBob]

22. I doubt they will do this again.

They got no benefit from it last time. They will prbobably take it to the edge and get lots of media coverage but then back off when it starts to get ugly.

[Le Taz Hot]

24. Great.

I'm a fed employee and one of my studies has been completely shut down due to lack of funding which means I don't work it, I don't get paid.

The LAST shut-down was for 3 weeks, no paycheck. They announced that we would be getting back pay for the time we were off. I got a check for $12.00.

And they're threatening to shut down again? We're one of those families that are BARELY keeping our head above water. Missing even one paycheck is going to be financially devastating.

Sleeping. It was great while it lasted.

[Gothmog]

27. A shutdown over PP is really stupid

Which means that it will be happening