Chrissie Hynde Attacks Lewd Pop Stars Branding Them 'Sex Workers' Who Created 'Porn Culture'

[big_dog]

Source: BBC/ London Daily Mail 05:12 EST, 9 September 2015

Chrissie Hynde waded into another contentious area – the overly sexualised nature of modern pop music. In an obvious reference to scantily-clad stars such as Miley Cyrus, the former Pretenders lead singer branded them ‘sex workers’ for selling music by ‘bumping and grinding’ in their underwear. The 64-year-old also accused them of doing ‘a great deal of damage’ to women with their risque performances.
Miss Hynde launched the scathing attack during a tense interview on the BBC’s Woman’s Hour yesterday. She suggested that today’s provocatively-dressed stars are sending the wrong message about how people should view sex. Miss Hynde added: ‘I don’t think sexual assault is a gender issue as such, I think it’s very much it’s all around us now.
‘It’s provoked by this pornography culture, it’s provoked by pop stars who call themselves feminists. Maybe they’re feminists on behalf of prostitutes – but they are no feminists on behalf of music, if they are selling their music by bumping and grinding and wearing their underwear in videos.
‘That’s a kind of feminism – but, you know, you’re a sex worker is what you are. Miss Hynde, who moved to England in 1973, also said she regrets her hard partying ways and how they damaged her relationship with her parents. The singer has given up drugs, alcohol and cigarettes and now embraces a clean-living lifestyle.



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[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Welcome to old age, Chrissie.

In which we all get more conservative and complain about how young people are always sexualizing music. Would you like some 'rock and roll' with that Heaven forbid they actually show more explicitly what everyone was singing about in euphemisms.

[Nitram]

4. It is possible to be sexy without the spectacle Cyrus makes of herself.

She just looks foolish up there with her tongue and her butt sticking out.

[Blue_Adept]

12. Heaven forbid she does what she wants

She should adhere to local community standards.

[Nitram]

31. She doesn't "do what she wants."

She will do anything to get publicity. Hynde correctly identified what that makes her.

[trillion]

64. Exactly. Name one song by her. I can't. I can name a whole lot of songs released this year by other

artists.

[840high]

60. ...+1

[trillion]

63. I have yet to see cyrus come off as sexy. I realize she's overly trying through.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

2. I think she's right on.

They are selling more than their music. Then again, male rock stars run around in tight leather pants and no shirt, and nobody talks about how that may be titillating to women. I guess people are going to do what people do. Love it, leave it, or ignore it.

[coolepairc]

25. Everyone, everywhere all the time

I've noticed that men are now sexualized to about the same degree as women were when I as growing up. The type of hyper-sexuality being marketed today is exceedingly aggressive. It's another aspect of abuse culture where sexual abuse is mainstreamed and normalized to dehumanize us and promote an abusive economic system.

[Nitram]

3. She's right. Miley and Rihanna both use sex to bolster their popularity.

I don't find it shocking. I find it pathetic. And I think Hynde is right on the money on this one.

[mdbl]

5. I agree

If only they had other talents to fall back on.

[Owl]

51. I agree, she's right.

[trillion]

65. I have to agree too. If Cyrus had talent I'd know the name of at least 1 of her songs. She's a flash

in the pan like so many of the other temporary news getters.

[Nitram]

69. Actually, she does have talent. She has an exellent voice.

[laundry_queen]

72. She has quite a bit of talent actually

And she's been around for quite some time already, I'd hardly say she's a flash in the pan.

Some of her songs that I know because I have teenage children (But I have to say I like her music too and I'm 40)

See you again
Party in the USA
Start all over
Can't be tamed
We can't stop
The climb
Fly on the wall
7 things
Wrecking ball

She's had a ton that have been popular. Also, look up some of her stuff on You tube, as someone pointed out, the "Backyard sessions" are really good.

I may not really care for the way she dresses at times (and I hate that tongue thing, makes me want to puke) but hey, I'm getting older. My parents thought the same thing when I was a teen, that all the music groups I liked were 'disgusting'. LOL. Miley Cyrus is also quite the philanthropist and gay rights activist. From what I see older people vastly underestimate her talent and power. Anyhow I'd rather see Miley Cyrus on tv (with her ass hanging out and sticking out her tongue even), than see the Duggars on their show playing violin any day.

[truthisfreedom]

6. Madonna.

[Javaman]

16. Annabella of Bow Wow Wow.

Wendy O. Williams of the Plasmatics.

I could go on and on.

[Metric System]

18. Except Madonna's fanbase is women and gay men, so...

[Democat]

70. Madonna's fan base at her peak was everyone

Not just women and gay men.

[Calista241]

7. I agree with them selling more than just music,

but honestly, who gives a shit?

Personally, I don't think the rail thin, super skinny look that Miley, Swift and Rihanna strive for is all that attractive. But if they think it helps them in their public lifestyle, more power to them.

[Major Nikon]

40. All of it is on the outskirts of art to begin with

It's far more about entertainment, and if people are entertained by it, then it's entertainment. Whether or not other people like it is irrelevant.

[christx30]

43. I don't let my 7 year old daughter watch any of that

junk. It's not appropriate for children at all. She loves Heart and bands like that.
One time she looked at a magazine cover at a scantily clad model (it was Glamour, or something) and she said, "she's so beautiful." So I found a picture of that same woman wearing sweats, and no make up. One 5 minute video showing the hours of work that goes into a photo shoot like that, and she was back down to earth, not worshipping models.
Miley and Rhiannan are not good role models for children.

[Blue_Adept]

8. Heaven knows that's all I see when I listen to it on the radio

I mean, do people listen to music on the radio anymore?

or streaming?

Or are we all just watching music videos on MTV where they undulate to generate interest?

I get what she's saying but at the same point it's not like you see this everywhere. It's mostly just there if you actually look for it. It's not like Miley is wearing nothing on every cover on the supermarket rack or Rhianna either.

It's on the tabloid shows that you see this and at things like the awards shows.

Once a year you might get a provacative music video out of them.

Good to know that she thinks that they're just being feminists for prostitutes and sex workers. All her statements do is say a lot about her. But if she's one that found herself after going through the hell of drugs and is going off on this, it's just lecturing and holier than though crap.

As much as you hear about Miley's provocative nature, do we hear that she's snorting coke constantly? Or with Rhianna?

But no, show some tits and ass, shake 'em on the screen once in awhile, and you're doing it wrong.

The better way to judge is to just to actually listen to the music separate from the marketing. Separate from the artist as well in a lot of cases. And then tell me whether the music works or not.

[tabasco]

9. None of the garbage churned out by Miley Cyrus and her ilk

is even worthy of comparison to the music of The Pretenders and Chrissie Hynde. I don't give a shit if they get on stage naked - BUT THEIR MUSIC SUCKS.

[Blue_Adept]

11. I don't care for Miley's music either

But I don't care for the Pretenders of Hynde either.

both their music sucks.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

15. Hynde is a legend

Kickass songwriter, guitarist and has an awesome voice.

[tabasco]

23. There's no accounting in matters of taste

Your opinion is as valid as anyone's.

[LuvLoogie]

53. I beg to differ, for you are simply mistaken....

Listen and learn

[Blue_Adept]

54. I've heard quite a lot of it over the years

And many more songs as well, considering the heavy rotation years ago.

I don't care for them and I don't consider it good music to my tastes.

Hell, listening to the bulk of music from most of the 70's and 80's is just terrible these days across the board. I skim through regularly on the dedicated channels on XM on the off chance of hearing a tune that I like out of nostalgia, but that's just damn rare.

[LuvLoogie]

55. I like a lot of different stuff.

Hard Rock & Metal from the 70s, 80s & 90s. "New Wave." Pop from all eras. Radiohead, U2. Miley, Katy, Taylor, Gaga, Rihanna, Ke$ha. Prog Rock, Throwing Muses, Belly, Interpol, Veruca Salt.

On & on. Music to me is like food. I like it all from pizza puffs and movie nachos to European, Asian, Latin American, African...

They all have their place on my shelf, so to speak...

[TwilightGardener]

21. This is true. Chrissie Hynde has earned the right to be a little curmudgeony.

[Ford_Prefect]

10. It is certainly the look that Sony Music and other industry giants want to sell.

The more outrageous an artist the better the music sales. Same philosophy is the foundation of Rupert Murdoch's empire- nasty of any kind sells more pages than real does, creating the false impression that the extreme IS the real.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Tattooed Love Boys, by Chrissie Hynde

I went apewire 'cause I thought
Like I'd like it little tease
But I didn't mean it
But you mess with the goods doll, honey you gotta pay, yeah

A good time was guaranteed for one and all
The tattoos did target practice in the hall
While waiting for their number to get called out
I, I, I, I found out what the wait was about

I was a good time, yeah, I got pretty good
At changing tires upstairs bro
I shot my mouth off and you showed me what that hole was for

Oh, but the prestige and the glory
Another human interest story
You are that
----------------------

You. Are. That.

[yardwork]

42. I've thought about that song a lot lately.

She blames herself for being gang raped and has never gotten over it. It's sad.

[LuvLoogie]

56. I just posted the video. What a great album that is.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

14. I remember when an underage Britney first came on the scene

and her management, record label and MTV had no problem presenting her as the schoolgirl fetish video for dirty old men:

The industry loves to exploit and degrade women, and in, that case, kids.

[closeupready]

37. Being 100% honest here - "Goonies" was on last weekend, and

I had DVR'ed it, but being familiar with the sad life of one of its main stars, Corey Feldman, and his allegations about what goes on in Hollywood, I really couldn't watch more than 10 minutes before I just had to delete it.

[snooper2]

17. Sounds like someone should re-introduce her to weed

[tabasco]

24. All the weed in the world ain't gonna make me or Chrissie

like Miley Cyrus' brand of entertainment.

[bigwillq]

19. Get off her lawn.

[Metric System]

20. Sexual assault has nothing to do with "pornography culture." Sexual assault existed even in

Puritanical /Victorian /Conservative times. I must say I have lost a great deal of respect for Chryssie Hynde with her recent comments.

[coolepairc]

27. Very untrue

Pornography and abuse are intricately linked. Pornography is used in a large percentage of rapes. Pornography is used to initiate child sex workers. The average age of debut of sex service workers is 15 years old. Half of all sex service workers are children. Sex servicing disproportionately impacts those most vulnerable in society including ethnic minorities, the economically vulnerable, youth and children.

[yardwork]

41. But the suggestion that people rape because they are aroused is wrong.

Rape is an assault based on wanting to have power over another. Sadists get sexual pleasure out of hurting other people, but they aren't inspired to rape by the way people dress.

That's where Chrissy Hynde is mistaken.

[coolepairc]

44. I can't speak to that

Rape is a component of an abuse continuum. More unequal societies promote abuse and sexual abuse is but one of many types in the mix. For us all to evolve to a more peaceful, egalitarian society, we need to speak out against all types of abuse, including sexual abuse.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. lately I just give the fuck up.

[yardwork]

52. Sometimes I think that this is actually 1953 and I'm having a weird dream.

[closeupready]

22. Her larger point here is correct, but parts of her argument are false, IMO.

When a 'singer/vocal artist' Katy Perry (who is a non-artist who also can't sing) squirts faux breast milk on stage at a concert, you know a singer is known less for talent and more for stunts.

Are these celebrities harmful to women generally? I don't see how that argument works. These aren't government authorities; they aren't sex workers, either, but I think you could argue that they are undisciplined showgirls who flash their private parts in order to titillate and, more importantly, distract from their artistic shortcomings.

[Android3.14]

26. In other news, senior citizen warns people off her lawn

Whatever. God, I hope I am more tolerant at that age.

[Warren Stupidity]

45. I'm her age and she's an idiot.

Another boomer who had her freedom and wants to make sure nobody else gets theirs.

[Android3.14]

46. Ain't that the truth

I so hope I keep my open mind when I hit my 60s. At 51, things are looking pretty good, though this whole twerking thing is a little bizarre.

[90-percent]

28. Of interest to Chrissie fans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7153358

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-outspoken-chrissie-hynde/

-90% Jimmy

[BdAzzSRT]

29. Yes - I am an old fart but....

I don't think that if an artists's talent is enough to get them noticed they ever need to degrade themselves by shocking stunts.

And this applies to every act that uses 'the shock factor' to gain fame, Felt the same way about Jim Morrison, Kiss and many others ( Although Morrison may not have really been aware of what he was doing.)

[Nitram]

32. Kiss came to mind with me, too.

Not really shocking or sexy, just plain stupid-looking.

[Major Nikon]

30. Which is worse, porn or heroin?

Assuming one can associate Miley Cyrus and Rihanna with porn which is fucking nuts to begin with.

Old self-righteous drug addict rockers should just go away.

[Nitram]

33. Now who's being self-righteous?

Hynde is an artist. Cyrus, not so much. And I think she knows it. She has to push boundaries just to get noticed. I just wish she'd do it in a more interesting and sexy way.

[Major Nikon]

34. Sure, because pointing out self-righteousness is self-righteous

But judgmental finger wagging isn't

[Warren Stupidity]

48. you can't win.

pointing out bigots is bigoted pointing out self-righteous hypocrites is self-righteous. She just doesn't get this "rock and roll". What is wrong with the yutes of today?

[Jester Messiah]

39. I've never heard of anyone overdosing on porn...

Though I have an idea for a research grant now.

[trillion]

66. Ted Bundy said he did but I never bougt into that excuse.

[MrScorpio]

35. Next she'll be screaming at them to get off of her lawn...

[closeupready]

36. Or screaming at her parents that she's not pole-dancing;

she's "an artist!"

[Jester Messiah]

38. Does anyone need an extra fainting couch?

Also, if anyone's got a case of the vapors, I have some spare smelling salts.

[Dont call me Shirley]

47. Sexual abuse and rape are no laughing matter. It is being promoted by TPTB.

[LuvLoogie]

58. . Remember this one from Liz Phair (warning explicit)

She did a lot of sexy photo shoots, but was typically reserved on stage. Great album...

[btrflykng9]

59. Couldn't agree more with her.

I'm sick of seeing half dressed women behaving as though all they have to offer is the world are their body parts.

[840high]

61. ...^ that

[Skittles]

62. they are a huge reason why women are not taken seriously

I cannot stand them

[Waiting For Everyman]

67. I wondered how long it would take someone to say it.

Someone successful from inside the music industry. It's long overdue.

Thank you, Chrissie.

[LeftyMom]

68. I didn't know Kim Davis played guitar.

Seriously though, I'm not sure how many variations on this theme she's going to vomit forth and why anybody's giving her an audience for it.

[BootinUp]

71. Chrissie has always impressed me

from her music to her activism she has been a leader. Not to mention sexy and smart.