Clinton says no email apology: 'What I did was allowed'

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By CATHERINE LUCEY

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton says she does not need to apologize for using a private email account and server while at the State Department because, "what I did was allowed."

Clinton spoke to The Associated Press during a Labor Day campaign swing through Iowa.

The front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination says the lingering questions about her use of email while serving as President Barack Obama's first secretary of state have not damaged her campaign for president.

She says, "It's a distraction, certainly. But it hasn't in any way affected the plan for our campaign, the efforts we're making to organize here in Iowa and elsewhere in the country."

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/14ed951e367e408eab9a1a1a60a976e1/clinton-says-no-email-apology-what-i-did-was-allowed

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Feel free to repost in the Hillary Group because I can't.

[TwilightGardener]

1. She was allowed to hold classified material on her private server?

Mmmm, I don't think so.

[Hortensis]

14. Investigation has found NO classified material on her private server.

[Karma13612]

20. the server was wiped clean. are there any further facts regarding

attempts to get back the information using digital forensics?

just curious.

[philosslayer]

40. Like, with a cloth?

N/t

[Kelvin Mace]

44. Yeah,

That was either ill-advised snark, or contemptuous posturing.

[philosslayer]

60. Are we really taking ourselves that seriously?

I'm responding exactly how Secretary Clinton responded to a ridiculous accusation.

[pocoloco]

86. It was damn sure a smart ass remark!!

Tell us again who said it?

[TwilightGardener]

22. The FBI concluded its investigation?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. That's news to me...didn't know Hillary was cleared of all wrongdoing.

[jeff47]

34. You better let the DNI IG know, since he found otherwise. (nt)

[Bubzer]

46. That doesn't seem to be the case. At least not according to this article:

The intelligence community’s inspector general had previously identified four e-mails out of a sample of 40 that had been sent on her server and contained classified information, including two that involved top-secret information. In those cases, however, people who have reviewed the e-mails said that Clinton did not write them.

...

In several exchanges, Verveer forwarded Clinton accounts of confidential reports from Foreign Service officers giving updates from their posts. She shared long notes from the U.S. ambassador to Bangladesh describing what he learned in a private dinner with senior officials in that country amid a major embezzlement scandal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-wrote-classified-e-mails-sent-using-private-server/2015/09/01/5d456616-50bd-11e5-8c19-0b6825aa4a3a_story.html

Its worth noting that it doesn't matter who wrote the e-mails. All that matters is how the sensitive content was handled.

[Yo_Mama]

85. That's not true. The emails did contain classified material.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html?src=twr&_r=0

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821

[FarPoint]

25. Give it up...Get with the program.

Support Democratic Candidates.

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Like Joe Lieberman,

Andrew Cuomo, and Rham Emanuel?

[liberal N proud]

76. Keep repeating those lies

You will only get the ignorant to believe you. The justice department has rules no criminal activity and the classified messages were not classified at the time.

But don't let facts stop you.

[roguevalley]

95. another example of tone deaf politics. she's hopeless

[roguevalley]

96. another example of tone deaf politics. she's hopeless

Nt

[tularetom]

2. Vote for Hillary: What She Did Was Allowed!

Now she doesn't need to apologize but last week she apologized. She needs to make up her mind. About a lot of issues.

[magical thyme]

7. she apologized for the supposed confusion over her emails. not for the private, unsecure

and very hackable server, nor for the unencrypted emails, nor for the satellite data showing N. Korea data that wasn't marked "top secret," nor for turning over a wiped server to the FBI after stalling for however long.

For those minor details, she will not apologize.

[Karma13612]

21. yup, my thoughts exactly.

and not to mention, the aide who did the IT support, pleading the 5th.

that right there is not pretty.

Hillary and hubbie have done good for many people.

But, conversely, they carry so much avoidable self-inflicted controversy around them, it just makes me shake my head.

[Hortensis]

15. Bypassing the official route was not just allowed, but commonly done by many.

[cosmicone]

39. Are you saying Hillary has done wrong and has been immoral

just because she is a lawyer?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[Bubzer]

47. I think this more saying that her actions are worth scrutiny because she is a lawyer.

But then, being a politician alone warrants scrutiny.

[LiberalArkie]

51. I am sorry, you are probably correct. They have never done anything just for the sake of the money.

I am deleting the offending post.

[HappyPlace]

55. Now THAT'S a Bumper Sticker I'd proudly stick on my rear end!

But only if I could add a

[L0oniX]

58. Flip flop apologize apologized apolocalypse?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Maybe Hillary's sorry she apologized?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Ya know, if she'd said 'I screwed up, I'm sorry'... this would have been old dead news after about

3 days. Nothing keeps a story alive like denial.

[cheapdate]

10. You really think the right-wing political-media-ideological machine

would have hounded her less -- would still be hounding her less -- if she had said or done anything differently early on? I honestly do not think so. I don't think it would have made one shred of difference. They'd still be hounding her just as aggressively. They'd still be howling for her head, for investigations and hearings, they'd be howling that she was withholding; that she endangered the country; that she was untrustworthy; etc., etc. etc.

If the GOP and their intensely ideological allies have demonstrated anything over the past 8 years or more, it's that they are relentless, implacable, immune to restraint, etc.

[msongs]

13. or the left wing political idiological machine running in full hound mode lol nt

[Hortensis]

16. She didn't screw up, but I happen to have a bridge for sale if anyone is interested.

[Skwmom]

27. IMO, they'd rather stay on the email issue rather than have the focus switch to other

scandals that are looming out there. I think this gives them a much better chance of running out the clock.

[Bubzer]

48. Interesting hypothesis. Gonna have to think on that one.

[840high]

32. You are right. Americans

are very forgiving.

[leveymg]

4. The only way it would have been "allowed" would be if the President gave her an EO or PPD to do it.

There's no such record. Quite the opposite, the relevant EO says that subject matter material obtained from foreign ogovernment sources are "presumed classified information."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
December 29, 2009
Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism.

. . .

(4) the original classification authority determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism, and the original classification authority is able to identify or describe the damage.

(b) If there is significant doubt about the need to classify information, it shall not be classified. This provision does not:

(1) amplify or modify the substantive criteria or procedures for classification; or

(2) create any substantive or procedural rights subject to judicial review.

(c) Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information.

(d) The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security.

(Just musing, of course, but PPD-3 might fit)

[TipTok]

89. That's the right answer...

Whatever else went on, that one is open and shut...

[OhZone]

5. Yeah, I think it was -

And Powell used private emails sometimes. Jeb Bush used a private email sever while governor. Some Congressmen do too. It's not really uncommon.

[leveymg]

8. Those activities predated the '09 Executive Order that made these communications presumed classified

Jeb Bush isn't a federal employee, so it doesn't apply.

[antigop]

9. Parse her words carefully. She said "allowed". nt

[leveymg]

12. Allowed as opposed to permitted. Good point. But, only to a point

sharp enough to drive a stake through the heart of her campaign.

They are not all fools who gain a WH pass.

[VanillaRhapsody]

19. Good luck with that....

Doesnt seem to be working for the Republicans either....so choose your battles!

[leveymg]

61. The polls wouldn't seem to support your conclusion. It's not just GOP and

Bernie supporters who are paying attention and care about her cavalier breaches of law and national security.

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. au contraire

the polls show that the Democratic Party doesn't care about this issue....its a non starter for them...Sanders supporters and Republicans.....remember what grandma always said about lying down with dogs? (the Republicans)....wake up with fleas!

[leveymg]

75. That must be why she's crumbling in the NH & IA polls.

It's because she really defies the law of gravity. Not to mention the Espionage Act and Federal Records Act.

[VanillaRhapsody]

80. Crumbling? Among states that are Predominantly white?

And STILL has a 74% chance at the Primary and 57% chance in the General....

And Uh no...she hasn't been accused of breaking ANY laws...not the Espionage Act nor the Federal Records Act....

Even Fox News Legal Analysts know this...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-legal-analysts-hillary-clinton-didnt-break-the-law/

but how is Bernie doing on picking up the votes of PoC that he DESPERATELY NEEDS to win?
He invites Cornell West to South Carolina!!!!

[VanillaRhapsody]

83. Yet there wasno breach of law cavalier or otherwise....

[cosmicone]

42. It's a non-issue ... it only exists in the minds of HRC haters

the rest of the world realizes it is no big deal and only a right-wing creation to stop Hillary, lately latched on by Bernie supporters.

[Bubzer]

49. Don't have to hate Hillary to be concerned about it.

The rest of the world is more interested in their local affairs than what's going on in the US... this is just an issue for our country.
Security is also a concern that really engages conservatives... they can use it to drive political donations... so that makes it a valid issue as well.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. apparently you do actually.....Republicans and Sanders supporters...

are the only ones that care...

She has been judged having not done anything illegal....aka she did not send any classified material on that....

Game over.

[Bubzer]

65. Thats an interesting claim. Could you share the link supporting that?

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. Sure I can...hold on...

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913

satisfied?

[Bubzer]

67. Very interesting. A more recent article seems to refute this.

The intelligence community’s inspector general had previously identified four e-mails out of a sample of 40 that had been sent on her server and contained classified information, including two that involved top-secret information. In those cases, however, people who have reviewed the e-mails said that Clinton did not write them.

...

In several exchanges, Verveer forwarded Clinton accounts of confidential reports from Foreign Service officers giving updates from their posts. She shared long notes from the U.S. ambassador to Bangladesh describing what he learned in a private dinner with senior officials in that country amid a major embezzlement scandal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-wrote-classified-e-mails-sent-using-private-server/2015/09/01/5d456616-50bd-11e5-8c19-0b6825aa4a3a_story.html

I'm curious what your take on this would be.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. the retroactive classified emails....didn't generate FROM her...

they were sent TO her....


Thats why

Here its all broken down for you...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/20/hillary_clinton_email_scandal_explained.html

[Bubzer]

69. The article I linked to doesn't mention retroactive classified documents.

It's also more recent than the two articles you link to. Your articles make no mention of the communications I cited.
Perhaps I just missed it? Would you be willing to post the relevant passages?

[VanillaRhapsody]

70. You must have missed it....because that is exactly what happened...

the Media Matters was Aug. 12th....when it was already determined that she broke no laws....

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/scores-clinton-emails-retroactively-classified-150901033047419.html

[Bubzer]

71. It would be fantastic if you could post the relevant passage. Thanks in advance.

[VanillaRhapsody]

72. No I am not doing YOUR homework....

I just posted a site...that said it in the headline! Read...its how I know so much about it and it doesn't even hurt.

I gave you the myths and facts from Media Matters and this from the last post...

"Scores of Clinton emails retroactively classified"

Even a Fox News Legal Analyst knew this months ago...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-legal-analysts-hillary-clinton-didnt-break-the-law/

[Bubzer]

73. The article I posted is more recent than yours. Your articles might not be relevent anymore

I did read them over and couldn't find what you claimed. If you cannot post the passages, and I cannot find them, I'm left with nothing left but to go with the article I listed. Thanks anyways.

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. What do you want something from yesterday?

One of my links was a week old!

You are left with nothing but the truth right in your hands...but you just refuse to accept it....

Grandmom always said....you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink....

YOU obviously do not WANT to know...

[Bubzer]

91. I think you missread your sources. One is March 4th, 2015... the other is August 12, 2015.

Your earliest article is close to a month old. A lot can happen in a month.

I could repeat your Grandmom's quote back at you, but I'm not interested in back-and-forth banter, or the personal attacks that usually follow. I also won't presume to tell you what you do or don't think, for the very same reasons.

If you have any other sources dated earlier than August 12, 2015 (September 1st or earlier is ideal), I'd gladly look them over.

Thanks!

[OhZone]

6. No need to be sorry -

She already said it was a mistake.

And it's double standards to make her apologize while other pols don't. Just makes her look weak. In this day and age, maybe that's worse.

[cheapdate]

11. Agree.

[mfcorey1]

17. No need for an apology! Moving on. Too much time has been spent on

that damn e-mail issue. Is there anything else happening in the world? The rethugs are just using it as a means of avoiding discussion of anything substantive.

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. And what?

[Sunlei]

23. This fake issue is all republicans have on a person who has spent decades working in our Government

Imagine if she was Gov. Romney and 'got rid of' all her government computer hard drives. Like Romney actually did.

[Puzzledtraveller]

81. You serious?

Benghazi was a joke, the media knew it was a right wing hatchet job and they gave it short shrift coverage. This email thing is different and even the people, some Democrats who would normally call bull shit on a Republican witch hunt haven't done so.

[Geronimoe]

24. Bill allowed her to install it in their home?

She isn't going to clear this up with vague, one or two sentence statements. It doesn't meet FOIA.

Polling is already showing she can't bat the republican candidates. The longer she dithers, the more difficult the genral will be, if she can even win the primary.

[Skwmom]

26. When I asked a friend if they were allowed to send classified information over an unsecured system

they said no. They must be confused and not understand how to handle classified information.

[murielm99]

31. Who is this "they?"

Are they a high level cabinet member?

Your post is irrelevant.

It is amazing to me how many Bernie supporters have suddenly become lawyers who know all about classified materials and what is allowed or not allowed.

[Skwmom]

38. You do realize that there are rules for handling classified information that apply to EVERYONE

regardless of the level.

About the handling of classified material - it really doesn't seem like brain surgery. Maybe, I'm just confused about the fact that I should be confused.

[cosmicone]

43. There was nothing classified on her server contempraneously. End of story.

[Bubzer]

50. Reposting this for your benefit

The intelligence community’s inspector general had previously identified four e-mails out of a sample of 40 that had been sent on her server and contained classified information, including two that involved top-secret information. In those cases, however, people who have reviewed the e-mails said that Clinton did not write them.

...

In several exchanges, Verveer forwarded Clinton accounts of confidential reports from Foreign Service officers giving updates from their posts. She shared long notes from the U.S. ambassador to Bangladesh describing what he learned in a private dinner with senior officials in that country amid a major embezzlement scandal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-wrote-classified-e-mails-sent-using-private-server/2015/09/01/5d456616-50bd-11e5-8c19-0b6825aa4a3a_story.html

Its worth noting that it doesn't matter who wrote the e-mails. All that matters is how the sensitive content was handled.

[TipTok]

90. If she can't handle the simple stuff...

... like the basic tenets of classification within the US system...

What should we expect from anything a bit more complex?

[murielm99]

92. We should expect the same competence and intelligence

that we have been getting for decades. Yes, in spite of the crap thrown at her by the media and the haters!

A bit more complex!

[MisterP]

28. isn't that exactly what Romney said in '12?

and the "group" system is rapidly Tumblrizing everything--where facts are carefully excluded because they don't follow the line of "supporting" the candidate in their "safe space" from persecution by anyone too reality-based

[Metric System]

30. It's Howdy Gowdy Time! for certain Sanders supporters above.

[840high]

33. It might be 'bye-bye time for Hillary.

[Metric System]

35. Keep the hope alive!

[OnyxCollie]

62. Like Bush supporters, HRC supporters have no problem with avoiding oversight.

Who cares if it was done in secret; it was allowed! Nyah nyah!

[Geronimoe]

36. My son was allowed to use the family car

He took it to a party, got drunk and on the way home wrapped it around a tree.

Did he act responsibly and use good judgment? No

Did he violate the trust we placed in him? Yes

Does he owe the owners of the car an apology? Of course he does.

[Bubzer]

52. Ownership of actions is laudable... though is often a career ender in politics.

[rocktivity]

37. "It's a PARTISAN distraction -- like Benghazi -- and it wasn't illegal.

So stop aiding and abetting the Republicans with your 'lingering questions' -- or apologize yourselves!"


rocktivity

[BadGimp]

41. Good for her!

[SusanaMontana41]

53. " What I did was allowed?"

Horrible defense. Horrible.

Hillary is too smart of a lawyer for that to be an accident or oversight. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Why? What is she hiding?

[antiquie]

54. This big story from the link:

Clinton's efforts to address the email issue comes as her chief rival for the Democratic nomination, independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, exits the summer surging in still-quite-early public opinion polls and drawing massive crowds to his rallies and events.

Acknowledgment! (emphasis mine)

[nichomachus]

56. There's a huge difference between what's "allowed" and what's "right."

But most of her statements on this have been pure Clintonesque hair-splitting. It must run in the dynasty.

[L0oniX]

57. "repost in the Hillary Group" = instant block.

[fbc]

59. I agree with Hillary on this, but that doesn't mean she can beat Trump.

Making Hillary Clinton the Democratic nominee practically ensures a Donald Trump presidency. This is not just my opinion. This is what the polls say.

Making Hillary president because it's her turn may have been all well and good back when it looked like the general election would be a formality, but now establishment democrats need to cut their losses and go with the candidate who will motivate people to come out and vote for a democrat in the general election. Bernie Sanders is proving every day that he is this candidate.

[Fumesucker]

93. Establishment Democrats would rather have a Republican than Bernie Sanders I suspect

Establishment Dems know how to deal with Republicans, they are a known quantity. Sanders on the other hand is a total wild card and could ring in massive changes to the entire system, no establishment politician wants that.

[Major Hogwash]

74. She's in Iowa, again?

[Mike Nelson]

79. I find her limited...

...apology sufficient. Nothing will satisfy the Republican witch hunters, anyway.

[BaronChocula]

84. Checkers Speech

She should craft one that sticks it to the witch hunters.

[Gore1FL]

87. It's too bad she didn't play this better. n/t

[flamingdem]

88. These BS attacks against Hillary on DU remind me of a certain sitting President

So many here were vile but the tune finally changed.

Keep the accusative finger pointed at the Republicans, they are the threat, didn't we learn this?

[fbc]

94. No, the threat is the collapse of the democratic party

The democratic party has been shifting right for 30 years now. There is only so far you can push liberals, and a pro-war, pro-corporate candidate in the year 2016 is crossing that line.

[flamingdem]

97. Obama is not very different from Hillary in that respect

Consider the alternative.