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sketchy

(458 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:51 AM Aug 2015

Evidence Continues to Mount in Kansas Ballot Tampering Case -- And the State Won't Do Anything

Source: ivn.us

KANSAS — If one single axiom of the American justice system is correct, the wheels of justice turn very, very slowly.

Dr. Beth Clarkson, the statistician and engineer at Wichita State University who is challenging the state in court for a full audit of the votes in the 2014 election, updated her newsletter on August 23, yet more interesting news continues to develop as Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach finally defends his stance.

At issue is the fact that there are numerous circumstantial issues that allude to voter machine tampering, including a statistical analysis done by Dr. Clarkson that goes against most common knowledge of how elections work.

As Dr. Clarkson says, “We already have a smoking gun, now we need to do some forensic analysis to see what it all means.”

Read more: http://ivn.us/2015/08/26/evidence-continues-mount-kansas-ballot-tampering-case-state-wont-anything/



Article by David Yee at ivn.us
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Evidence Continues to Mount in Kansas Ballot Tampering Case -- And the State Won't Do Anything (Original Post) sketchy Aug 2015 OP
This has a link to Beth Clarkson's newsletter sketchy Aug 2015 #1
Can the feds step in? ebbie15644 Aug 2015 #2
And if they could, would they? ananda Aug 2015 #3
I suspect Kansas isn't the only place this is happening. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #4
Of course not. apnu Aug 2015 #6
Voter suppression and gerrymandering can actually help them cheat dragonlady Aug 2015 #8
Yes and that's my point. apnu Aug 2015 #25
They have the money, but we have the numbers. staggerleem Aug 2015 #22
Preach on! You got it! (nt) apnu Aug 2015 #24
IMO, 'someone' takes advantage of the 'names' who never vote Sunlei Aug 2015 #5
Again, kacekwl Aug 2015 #7
They'll probably cite, 'Immemorial Custom'. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #9
In the linked IVN article, a question is posed - staggerleem Aug 2015 #10
I have always believed the Republican Party underthematrix Aug 2015 #11
sounds like it could be a fed issue. or a private citizen could sue, if there's standing. nm wiggs Aug 2015 #12
CODE RED: Computerized Election Theft and The New American Century Pedalman Aug 2015 #13
Agreed! Excellent book. Stevepol Aug 2015 #16
Kris Kobach loves election fraud Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #14
You got that right...and he should be in jail. SoapBox Aug 2015 #15
If this keeps up sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #17
You are incorrect. The state is doing something. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #18
That is the title of the article which must be exactly copied per Latest Breaking News rules sketchy Aug 2015 #19
I know - it's just incorrect. So far the state is blocking attempts at investigating the crime. jtuck004 Aug 2015 #20
Fuckers Blue Owl Aug 2015 #21
We can't afford to have the electoral process look meaningless (nt) Babel_17 Aug 2015 #23
K and R greatlaurel Aug 2015 #26

apnu

(8,756 posts)
6. Of course not.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 12:39 PM
Aug 2015

Look anywhere in America and you'll see demographics are changing. Socially we're more liberal than 10, 20 years ago. Minority populations are rising and seizing more political voice and control. America, in general is more secular, and specifically less evangelical than before. Liberals, at least socially, are younger while Conservatives are older. In general, America is more accepting of inter-racial relationships, GLBT, and women holding power and authority.

(We still have a lot of work to do in those areas, but the trend for all of them is up overall)

All of these things are eroding the bedrocks of modern Republicans and Conservatives in general.

The GOP and Conservatives know this, they know it better than anybody here on DU. They know they are aging out. Their numbers are dwindling and they aren't getting any new foot soldiers.

Right now they are waging their own desperate 'Battle of the Bulge' in an attempt to swing things the other way and they're failing at that too.

So all they have left to try and stop the tied is cheating. Cheating elections. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and election rigging.

Like you I too suspect this sort of thing is happening elsewhere in Republican controlled areas.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
8. Voter suppression and gerrymandering can actually help them cheat
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:05 PM
Aug 2015

I believe Karl Rove has a rule of thumb that an election can be stolen if the margin is under 2 percent. That much unexpected difference from polling results can be explained away by last-minute news reports, adverse weather, etc. As the proportion of Democratic voters increases, they need more tactics with which to suppress those votes and stay within the desired margin.

Interestingly, I recently saw a book by right-wing talk show host Hugh Hewitt with the title "If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat: Crushing the Democrats in Every Election and Why Your Life Depends on It." A perfect example of the psychological principle called projection.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
25. Yes and that's my point.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:51 PM
Aug 2015

All they have left is cheating. They have been diminishing since 1992.

You're right about the projection too. Gods and demons, they project all the time about everything.

Who's running up all the voter fraud laws? Republicans. Who's rigging the elections? Republicans.

Take any subject, if the Republicans are crowing about it, its because they're doing it.

So messed up.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
22. They have the money, but we have the numbers.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:55 PM
Aug 2015

Unfortunately, the numbers do us NO DAMN GOOD when we DON'T SHOW UP on election day!

This goes DOUBLE when the presidency is NOT at stake. Presidential elections are, somehow, sexier than off-year and local contests, but they are really no more IMPORTANT - and maybe less so! In the 2 1/2 months that President Obama had a filibuster-proof majority (between the MN recount and Ted Kennedy's demise), he bailed out the banks and the auto industry, and got the affordable care act and HARP passed. In legislative terms, that was LIGHTNING-FAST! Once the filibuster was back in play, things slowed to the usual DC snail's pace, and since the Rethugs took the House, and later the Senate, the pace is kind of glacial.

We need to show up and VOTE, people - in EVERY primary, and EVERY election! The only circumstance is which I withhold my vote is when an election is uncontested (we get those in my area, for local offices, now and again) - if you're the only person who WANTS that job, take it with my blessing, but you certainly don't need my help to get it. And somehow, it always seems that the only guy running for that uncontested office is a Republican!

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
10. In the linked IVN article, a question is posed -
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:38 PM
Aug 2015

"At what point would an unforeseen issue become large enough that they’d break open the records?"

Assuming that "they" refers to the Brownback/Kobach cabal, I think I can answer that question.

If a Democrat had won, they'd bust 'em open so fast, heads would spin!

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
11. I have always believed the Republican Party
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:55 PM
Aug 2015

obtained control of the House and Senate through ELECTRONIC ELECTION FRAUD. We need a software program citizens can use to submit their votes to 1 international and 2 national watchdog groups to verify the real outcome of the 2016 elections.

Pedalman

(17 posts)
13. CODE RED: Computerized Election Theft and The New American Century
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:06 PM
Aug 2015

Long-time lurker here.
I'm just finishing up Jonathan Simon's book, Code Red: Computerized Election Theft and The New American Century. Short and easy to read, devastating assessment of where we sit at this point with electronic tampering of voting.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
16. Agreed! Excellent book.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:20 PM
Aug 2015

It explains clearly the issues related to exit polling, adequate audits, etc., and it also re-capitulates some of the facts related to past vote count tampering and rigging.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
15. You got that right...and he should be in jail.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:19 PM
Aug 2015

For crimes against Americans.

It's our Right to Vote...if they fuck with that Right...jail.

sketchy

(458 posts)
19. That is the title of the article which must be exactly copied per Latest Breaking News rules
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:33 PM
Aug 2015

I'm glad, though, that you feel the title is incorrect, and the state is doing something. I know people are doing something -- finally noticing this outrage in Kansas. I am very heartened by that!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
20. I know - it's just incorrect. So far the state is blocking attempts at investigating the crime.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

So they are doing something. If it were you or me, we would be in jail for obstruction.

And Kansans let them.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
26. K and R
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:09 AM
Aug 2015

The GOP has already stolen elections in Ohio. Ohio desperately needs the Feds to come in and look under all the rocks and crevices to find out what they are doing. While the GOP is in power they are stealing the public blind. Since all the media outlets in Ohio are owned by right wingers, no one is complaining so the suburban and rural white voters are oblivious to the damage as long as the GOP keeps blaming the poors and POC. Ohio is in worse shape than Wisconsin since the GOP has had control here much longer.

Ohio is allowing the strip mining of a state nature preserve this year, as just one horrid example of how the public assets are being sold off to the GOP campaign contributors. Someone in the national media would win a Pulitzer Prize if they came to Ohio and exposed the massive corruption of the GOP in Ohio and especially Kasich. That man has no qualms about robbing the public blind, but since he bad mouths public employees, especially teachers with their lounges, conservative voters keep putting him in office.

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