Death penalty supporters say they have enough signatures to put issue before voters
Source: Omaha World Herald
By Paul Hammel
LINCOLN Supporters of the death penalty may have gathered enough signatures to suspend the repeal of capital punishment in Nebraska.
Officials with Nebraskans for the Death Penalty, at a press conference Wednesday afternoon, said the group will turn in 166,692 signatures in its effort to force a vote on the death penalty during the 2016 general election.
If more than about 114,000 of those signatures are validated, it would put the repeal of the death penalty passed by the State Legislature this spring on hold until voters decide the issue.
The pro-death penalty group formed in June, just after the vote by the Legislature, and sent paid and volunteer circulators across the state in an attempt to qualify the issue for the ballot.
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Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)I wonder how many Christians are for the death penalty??
How many think abortion is wrong
How many support war
0rganism
(23,970 posts)e.g.
Have you allowed all the women to live? he (Moses) asked them. 16 ... 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:15-18)
perhaps the death penalty Christians are Old Testament fanatics
happyslug
(14,779 posts)I have done Custody and Visitation Work for over 25 years and I have done emancipation of minors during the same time period (and Protection from Abuse). From that practice I have seen there is a clear difference between teenage boys and girls when it comes to their relationship with their parents.
Boys tend to embrace the basic beliefs and outlook of their parents. In my opinion, more what they Mother believe then their fathers. At the same time when a Woman leaves the family she was raised in, she tends to embrace the basic beliefs and outlook of her husband (or other man in her life). Thus boys tend to adopt the outlook of their fathers via their mothers.
Women tend to embrace the outlook of their husbands. Thus you see almost no difference between married men and the women they are married to when it comes to voting, most women will vote the same as their husbands (Women who are separated from their husbands OR never developed a relationship with a man, tend to vote more to the left then married women). While there is a clear difference between married and unmarried women when it comes to voting, not such difference exists between married men and unmarried men when it comes to voting patterns.
In my experience, the above is because women when they turn 14 to 16 want to leave the family they grew up in and on a subconscious basis wants to move in with a man. I also see a lot of teenage women in conflict not only with themselves but their parents, for such teenage women KNOW it is better for them to finish High School, but on a subconscious basis they want to move in with a man. Notice such teenager women KNOW they should NOT move in with a man, AND they know it would be best to finish High School, but that subconscious instinct does come into play and leads to internal conflict within the Teenage woman AND an external conflict between her and her parents.
Teenage boys, also want to develop a relationship with a woman, but a woman their Mother will approve of for the instinct in males is to move that woman in to the same house as their mother. This is a huge difference between the sexes and Moses understood it.
I recently read a study of men and women in rural Turkey. The men almost all stayed in the Village they were raised in, but about 1/3 of the women move to other villages when it comes time to marry. That is something I have seen over and over again, men prefer to stay with the group they grew up in, it is women who will go elsewhere to find a mate. This same observation was noted in the Former East Germany after reunification of Germany. The men tended to stay in East Germany even if it meant not being able to find work, it was their sisters who moved to West Germany to find work and husbands. Women are much more willing to move from the group they were born and raised in, then are men.
Now as to your quote from Numbers. In that situation Moses had ordered his men to kill anyone among them who had embraced the pagan gods of Moab. Now, today this sounds in religion, but at that time period, the gods one worshiped determined who you looked for leadership i.e. you were NOT defined by your Nationality or Tribe but by the gods you worshiped. Thus worshiping a pagan god, would be the same as swearing allegiance to a foreign country today. You must understand that concept, this act by Moses was NOT an attack on heretics but traitors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_of_Peor
Once you understand that we are discussing something more like modern treason then heresy, then you understand why Moses ordered the men killed who had embraced that pagan gods of Moab. Once you understand that sons tend to follow and want to revenge their fathers, you see why they had to die (in the eyes of Moses). As to the women who had "known men" such women would have embraced the outlook of their man, and thus would raise their sons to revenge their man's death (or if no son, do it themselves). Thus such women, women who had embraced a man, had to die (again in the eyes of Moses). On the other hand, women who has NOT known a man, would embrace the outlook of whatever man they sooner or later moved in with, thus they could be spared for they were no threat to ruling elite of Moses and the rest of the leaders of the Ancient Israelis. There was NO need to kill the unmarried women for they would embrace the outlook of their husband when it came time to wed and thus not a threat to the Tribes of Israel.
No wonder why the ancient Israelis followed Moses, he understood people and what was needed to form the ancient tribes of Israel into a nation. That is very difficult given their tribal nature and why Moses was held in high honor by the Ancient Israelis and the Christian Church.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 27, 2015, 12:15 AM - Edit history (1)
Under ancient Jewish law those two crimes were seen as the same. Now, when King James I had the bible translated into English it was after the effort to blow him and his Parliament up in the Gunpowder Plot. Thus it appears that the translator wanted to make clear that effort shown in the Gunpowder Plot was a serious sin, thus they adopted the term "Kill" instead of "Murder or Manslaughter"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
Just a comment on why the word "Kill" is used instead of "Murder" which would be a better translation even in 1605. The King James bible is considered a great piece of English literature, but has a problem with some of its translations. Given that James I was a flaming Homosexual, how that subject is handle in the King James Bible comes into play (The translators were careful when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah to emphasis what was being demand was Rape not consensual sex when the men of the town demanded that Lot send out the Angels and it was that effort to attack the angels was the crime of those two cities not Homosexuality per se).
The attack on homosexuality in Leviticus was harder to work around, but since Leviticus had always been viewed as something restricted to Jerusalem itself and NOT people outside of that city, the translators could do an accurate translation for almost no one read Leviticus (But did read the stories of Lot, Abraham, Moses and David).
Just a comment on translations, one has to watch WHO is doing the translation AND what prejudice they are under, including pressure from politicians (in the case of the King James bible, King James I).
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)have a nice day
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)They should join IS, they'd be so much happier there.