VP Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren Hold Private Meeting, Sources Say

[LiberalElite]

Source: ABC news

Joe Biden met privately with Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren in Washington, D.C., today, in what appears to be a strong indication of how seriously the vice president is mulling a 2016 bid, two sources familiar with the meeting told ABC News

Biden “traveled last minute” to Washington today for the private political meeting with Warren, the sources said.

The vice president has been largely out from the public eye in recent weeks, as he contemplates launching a 2016 bid that would pit him against current Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, who is still under fire for her use of a private email server as secretary of state.

Warren is considered one of the most vital endorsements of the 2016 election for the Democrats because of her strong support among liberals, but she hasn’t yet publicly announced her support for any candidate.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vp-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-hold-private-meeting/story?id=33252583

[Pharaoh]

1. any mention of Bernie in the article?

He is kinda in 2nd place, I would hope they would mention him.

[LiberalElite]

2. Nope. nt

[Pharaoh]

4. I'm shocked I tell you

Shocked!!

[LiberalElite]

6. Yeah so am I -

at least they're consistent.

[leveymg]

3. Running together?

Now that might be a winning ticket.

[LiberalElite]

5. that was my first thought nt

[underthematrix]

9. DEfinitely a winning combo

Biden gets the Obama Coalition and Warren brings along everyone else. i love it!

[pnwmom]

7. Biden voted for the IWR and has a significantly more conservative record than HRC

Also, he behaved badly when Anita Hill testified in the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

But he'd probably be just right for some Hillary-haters.

[LiberalElite]

8. That's politics nt

[leveymg]

14. He's not tainted. HRC can't overcome that.

Time to look elsewhere. This looks promising.

[pnwmom]

21. He's been tainted ever since he helped the Rethugs attack Hill. n/t

[leveymg]

26. I don't remember it that way. Your loyalty is admirable, but

it may be clouding your judgement.

[pnwmom]

38. You don't have to rely on your memory.

There are transcripts out there, and a recent documentary.

Biden chaired the Committee, but allowed the Rethugs to ride roughshod over Anita Hill.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/jamie-stiehm/2014/04/16/anita-tells-of-joe-bidens-forgotten-role-in-confirming-clarence-thomas

[leveymg]

40. It will take more than one Oped to convince people of that

I'm sure there's another side to that backstory.

[pnwmom]

43. It all played out in public, so it's not backstory. We all saw what he did

to help the Rethugs attack her.

[leveymg]

44. I watched it from across the street. Can't agree.

There is another backstory to the one you're reading into this in an attempt, it seems, to smear Biden at this late stage in the game. Hasn't there been enough smear jobs against HRC's Democratic opposing candidates?

Give the brush a break.

[pnwmom]

46. So what is the backstory that justifies him taking Thomas's side and shooting her down? n/t

[DURHAM D]

37. "Helped"? No. He orchestrated it.

I will never vote for him for President.

[underthematrix]

17. No he didn't. He did what needed to be done. That's

when I discovered and fell in love with o Biden. Back in the day, what I as an African American had trouble with is using a black woman to turn a highly visible black man into a black stereotype. I recall the racist cartoons. We in the AA community were wondering why a sister would allow herself to be used in that way. I watched all the hearings and commentary many of us were pissed at her. You have to realize we didn't have many highly visible AAs in public service. No most of us thought he did the things he was accused of but to make a black man a public spectable in that way was horrible. So yeah to me VP Biden did the right thing.

Today we have turned Bill Cosby into a spectacle, a rapist. But Donald Trump is also a rapist. His ex-wife, Ivana gave sworn testimony that he beat and rape her. Anyone calling TRump a rapist?

[pnwmom]

23. I respect your opinion as a black person but many others,

including a black female friend of mine, believe that there were plenty of other African Americans who could have been put on the court. We didn't need to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

[underthematrix]

25. You are so right. and yes he was the bottom of the barrel but

it was about context. It was a very different time.

[pnwmom]

31. I remember the time because I was a young woman at the time

experiencing sexual harassment at work.

And back in those days, there was almost no legal protection from that. It had happened to practically ever woman I knew.

The confirmation of Justice Thomas signaled all the wrong things to the women in my generation, and many of us have not forgotten who helped him and who didn't.

[underthematrix]

33. i was a young woman too

I worked in the research section of a large university medical center. one day, a married colleague asked me if he could come over and screw me. I said sure, if you'll let my boyfriend go to your house and screw your wife. He never said another thing like that to me and we got along great. Back in the day you had to handle your shit yourself. Now we have laws to take care that and I'm glad.

i think Thomas is going to resign in either 2016 or 2017. i think his stnk is catching up with him.

[JDPriestly]

24. Are you happy with Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court?

Do you think that his presence there is good for African-Americans?

[underthematrix]

29. please. I hated Clarence Thomas and

thought he was a nasty filthy pervert. I mean NASTY! While Thomas claimed he didn't want to be considered on the basis of race, he made a claim of racism in his final argument to the committee. I thought and still think Thomas is disgusting piece of shit.

[DURHAM D]

41. What?

Every female academic and attorney in this country (including all the AA women) knew that Thomas was a serial sexual harasser from the time he was head of the EEOC. Biden is the one who decided not to use the other witnesses who would confirm that Clarence had a serious problem. You support Clarence over Anita? I really can't believe that.

Also, Thomas was completely void of judicial experience and utterly unqualified for the job. He was not high profile until Bush nominated him. There were several others more qualified than Clarence.

jftr - Anita was my neighbor and a friend. Testifying was a really really difficult decision for her because of thinking like yours.

[lark]

61. So you think Anita Hill shouldn't have spoken up?

I'm white, but am female and applaud her bravery. Thomas is a rw hack, and didn't deserve to be on the SCOTUS. Do you seriously feel better about the SCOTUS having him there just because he's a black male? He's not fit to sit in the same seat as T. Marshall, now that man was a lion of a justice. It's not all about race, and in this case it certainly wasn't, despite what some black men have said.

[ericson00]

10. "two sources familiar with the meeting" um hm

always with the unknown sources. The media is just stirring the pot. But if he does enter and take away Hillary's nomination, I am going to have a tough time coming out to vote in November 2016. It is Hillary's turn, get over it media. Also, if Hillary hadn't delivered her 18 million primary voters (me included) to Obama in 2008, McCain would've won.

[LiberalElite]

12. There is no such thing as a "turn" for anyone. Get over it nt

[ericson00]

15. its called merit. The Clintons made the Democratic party the electoral college juggernaut

it is today, created the blue wall, as NJ, CT, MD, DE, PA, VT (!), NH, NM, ME, MI, IL, and CA all voted GOP at least 4 times in the 6 elections prior to the Clintons, but have all voted 6 for 6 Dem since the Clintons (except NH and NM at 5 for 6). Those are 161 electoral votes right there. Without D's having those states, Romney and McCain would've been elected. Time to show some respect and reward those who reward us.

[LiberalElite]

16. Respect to those who reward us?

They ruined the Democratic Party. If you want to be a subservient serf to the DNC masters y ou go right ahead. I have nothing but regret for my votes for Bubba who felt my pain by fucking me and others like me over.

[ericson00]

18. ok then, in your view, what would have "saved" the party?

In 1992 (or 1988 for that matter), who or what would've ended the endless wave of GOP landslide elections? Also, don't give me I'd rather have had a Dem-congress and a GOP prez than the reverse because even the Dem-Congress went along with Republican presidents like Reagan. Paul Tsongas? He was for NAFTA too.

[demwing]

36. Do you have any proof to credit the Clintons?

or were you just expressing your opinion?

Correlation does not imply causation...

[ericson00]

39. ummm look at the electoral maps

you can find them easily. If this were a graph, the election was the independent variable, the candidate's electoral votes was the dependent variable. Clintons are the treatment effect. This isn't a scatter plot here. This a line chart, if you were to make it one.

Get over it; the Clintons are the greatest thing to happen to our party, and possibly America, in the last 40 years. Before the Clintons, Dem candidates were against welfare reform and seen as weak-on-crime, and for all the problems with our criminal justice policies, the 60s, 70s, and 80s did have some crime waves which saw popular demand to fight. Since and including the Clintons, they either were for welfare reform, or not repealing it. Welfare is no longer a national issue, and Dems are no longer tarred as "soft on crime" to scare away suburban voters. We're also not seen as the budget deficit party, and the GOP no longer has much of an edge on deficit/debt, if any edge at all.

Of course, we coulda nominated Dukakis again in '92. Wonder how that woulda worked out, long or short term...

Bill Clinton did for our party in 1992 what Nixon did for his in 1968. Bill Clinton got upscale suburbanites to vote against their economic interests in the name of opposing far-right social policies (Buchanan, Robertson, and Quayle were very prominent in ruining the GOP for '92 and clearly less powerful political afterwards than they were from 1968-1988). Bill added many states that previously went for the other party to the D column perpetually. In 1968, Nixon got working class whites to vote against their economic interests in the name of opposing the civil rights policies. He turned the South GOP perpetually, which had gone for the other party most of the time before (Goldwater only won a few southern states just as Dukakis only won a few northern state). Both ushered in popular vote winning records of 5 out of 6 including and after their elections. Neither Clinton or Nixon were hard left or right, but their political success consisted of pragmatism regarding the other side in order to convince the country that they could be trusted as Prez. I've yet to hear a Republican say Nixon ruined the GOP...

[underthematrix]

19. Look HRC is not my first choice but I would vote for her.

I can't stand Bernie's supporters but I would vote for him if he were the nominee. WE have to have the best possible chance of winning the WH, House, Senate and Govships and state houses. this is not about it being HRC's turn.

[still_one]

51. The NY Times started this garbage from two reporters who were from "politico", and before

that, Maggie Haberman, one of the reporters worked for the city's top tabloids, the New York Post and Daily News. The other so-called journalist behind this report also came from politico, Jonathan Martin, who came up through National Journal's The Hotline and the National Review, a conservative political journal.

Politico itself was founded by Frederick J. Ryan Jr., chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Foundation, and president and CEO of The Politico.
"So the President and CEO of The Politico, Frederick Ryan, is also the Board Chairman for the Reagan Library. And that makes sense, because Ryan is a long-time, hard-core Reaganite."

http://www.salon.com/2007/05/04/politico_funding/

The NY Times isn't worth the paper it is printed on anymore, and they have been going down hill ever since the Judith Miller fiasco, and from all appearances, the reporters they have been recruiting from have interesting republican connections.

The only verification I will believe is if Joe Biden himself comes out and says it. They started this crap about Gore a couple of weeks ago also. They are worthless. It is sad what the Times has become from where it had been, but I will NOT believe in the validity of this garbage until Biden himself comes out and says it.

[Le Taz Hot]

11. He's consulting with her

on populist issues. That's pretty much it.

[PoliticAverse]

32. I think you may very well be right about that. n/t

[PSPS]

13. "still under fire for her use of a private email server"

The vice president has been largely out from the public eye in recent weeks, as he contemplates launching a 2016 bid that would pit him against current Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, who is still under fire for her use of a private email server as secretary of state.

Um, I hate to break it to you, Politico, but outside of the frenzied corporate/state media, of which you're one of the GOP's more reliable members, and the non-stop RW Wurlitzer, nobody cares a whit about "a private email server," even though its mention reliably draws whoops and cheers at a Trump rally.

[JDPriestly]

20. It's hard for me to believe that 53% of registered Democrats want Biden to run.

This is about TPP. The administration is desperate to find a candidate who will back the TPP and who can win.

It's a corporate coup, and Democrats want to get the credit for it. Disgusting.

Biden is a nice guy, but not presidential material. His moral compass is not strong like Bernie's.

[SoapBox]

22. But she isn't meeting with Bernie?

If she's not with him then she's not really a Progressive.

She best step carefully.

And I wonder if there were any DNC representatives present...this "meeting" was way more than just sitting down for coffee...this is something big.

[JDPriestly]

27. The corporations are really scared of Bernie. That's what this tells me.

Bernie is such a dynamic force. Biden comes off as rather weak and fun but not a fighter.

At this point, I will continue to back Bernie.

[SoapBox]

30. I am sold on Bernie.

Agree that Bernie has got to be ruffling some feathers behind closed doors.

We are REALLY going to see who is for "us" vs. "them".

p.s...they are talking this now on NBC news.

[JDPriestly]

47. They are desperate.

They have done far too little for the economy over the past eight years, the Main Stream economy, that is.

And now, Bernie comes along and says no to the TPP and talks about insuring everyone and educating all who qualify without loading them up with debt, and suddenly they realize that the people are angry about the status quo.

Maybe I am wrong on this one, but I cannot see Biden appealing at this time.

He did not do well in 2008, and now he would have to run on this economy which is turning down once again from what we can tell. I don't think he will get very far. O'Malley would have a better chance than Biden.

Maybe unions would go for Biden, but he would have to distance himself from Obama's failure to do much for unions or working people.

[lark]

62. WTF?

Did you watch Biden debate any? He was as strong as they come. He's always been known for being a fighter. Just because he was VP, doesn't mean he can't lead and won't fight. We wouldn't be having legal marriage for same sex couples today if it weren't for Biden. Timid Obama wouldn't tell the truth until Biden pushed him hard. He's a warrior.

[JDPriestly]

63. It's a matter of opinion. I thought Biden was a rather weak debater.

He is a nice guy, but doesn't have a lot of energy. That was my impression.

Also, he will have to answer for all the problems that we have today even if they aren't his fault entirely.

And there is the rub. Every time I leave my house, I seem to meet another person who is nearly at the end financially. These are people who have worked hard and are losing jobs. Several of the people are in their 50s, even late 50s and early 60s, not yet eligible for Social Security. I don't think the Obama economy is something Biden can run on. Nor is the mess in Syria and Iraq with ISIS. And even in Afghanistan, we still have a lot of problems.

Then there is the problem that is coming to light with the international stock exchanges and worse yet, the Fed's inability to raise interest rates even to a point that it encourages saving. (Have you checked your big bank's interest rates on deposits recently? They are so low that it points to some kind of problem with the money supply and the business activity on Main Street.)

Bernie's crowds are a small measure of the discontent and the struggle going on in the country right now. If that isn't enough to discourage Biden from running, then he needs to think about the results of the 2014 election. Dismal.

Out here, people like Obama as a person, but don't like the state of the country.

Bodes badly for Biden.

[Sunlei]

60. Warren and Sanders are co=workers, I bet they see each other every day they're on 'the job'

[roamer65]

28. If Biden runs, I will support him.

Hopefully he picks Warren as a running mate.

[ericson00]

34. I think if you look at Nate Silver's latest tweet,

he says it best

[Mike Nelson]

35. Biden should be offering public support for Hillary...

...looking bad for him

[WheelWalker]

42. I'm with Biden if he runs. No hesitancy.

[still_one]

50. I guess you have no problem with his IWR vote or his MBNA connections?

[WheelWalker]

53. That's right. I try to live in the present...

Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling.

Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.

"Come on, girl" said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.

Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzan, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"

"I left the girl there," said Tanzan. "Are you still carrying her?"

[still_one]

45. It is the bullshit media trying to stir up nothing. In fact they accomplish two things by this

garbage:

1. They are saying Hillary's campaign is falling apart
2. They are saying Bernie's campaign cannot win

Both assumption are wrong.

IMO, the fact that they did not even mention Bernie tells me this is a speculative fantasy of the MSM hoping to piss over both Hillary and Bernie campaigns, and divide the Democrats, they hope to take the focus off of the republican implosion.

They played the same game with Elizabeth Warren by trying to parse words that she was running, even though she made it clear she was not running in 2016 for President, and of course the implication is that Biden would choose Warren as his VP candidate, but guess what, when she said she was not running for president in 2016, that implied VP also.

Just a point of fact, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden are not that much different on the issues, and incidentally, they both voted for the IWR, and Biden's relationship with MBNA leaves a lot of questions.

I am not saying Joe should or should not run, I am saying this is very loose speculation by the MSM, is to demoralize Hillary supporters, and to tell Bernie supporters that the Democratic party doesn't want him. Both aimed at misrepresentation. One, Bernie has warned a significant amount of Grass roots support. Where that will lead, no one knows for sure. Hillary, also has a lot of established support within the Democratic party.

The only way Biden would even run is if Hillary stepped out of the race, and she isn't going to do that

[lamp_shade]

56. This ^ ^ ^

[BlueStateLib]

48. Wouldn't a Joe Biden run put Bernie in 3rd place?

[still_one]

49. Why would Biden run unless Hillary dropped out? I am very skeptical of this story

[closeupready]

52. Warren's expertise is bankruptcy law; Biden sponsored 2005 BAPCPA

in the Senate which effectively made harder the lives of working Americans in financial distress.

So, I'd be REAL surprised to see Liz Warren endorsing Biden for anything, to be honest - and I'm saying that as someone who likes Biden despite that sponsorship.

[pnwmom]

54. Or maybe he's trying to talk her into running.

Stranger things have happened.

[mikehiggins]

55. Something appeared on the Internet (which means it has to be true) to the effect that Dr. Biden

says the VP has definitely decided not to run. I just noted it in passing and Dr. Biden didn't call me to confirm it but I hope she is correct. Joe is a great guy but what does he stand for? Lots of Beltway talk but to me I like him because he travelled back and forth to Delaware for years to take care of his kids. Can't knock his decency but I doubt he has the organisation or money to run a real campaign, especially against HRC. Surely he knows that better than we do.

[bonniebgood]

57. Joe Biden 's ship has passed. I could never vote for Joe Biden, If you

cant forgive Hillary for her Iraq vote, Joe Voted for it.
If you can't forgive Hillary for her support for her complicity on the 1994 Crime bill
Joe Biden wrote the DAMN BILL that gave BILLIONS OF taxpayer money to create private prisons to cause the overcrowding and LONG sentences of black and brown bodies in those prisons. then take away education grants, and on and on.
100.000 criminals police on the street. BILLIONS more to State policing programs;
read the stink for your self.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act#Community_Oriented_Policing_Services

[djean111]

58. I will not stop supporting Bernie.

The Warren as VP thing is a loser.
A VP is mostly ornamental. As a woman, if I was interested in voting for someone based on gender (no, not interested) then I would already be supporting Hillary. And Warren would be wasted.
Biden is just another corporate Dem who happens to be personally likable, that's all.
And, in addition, I won't be voting for anyone who is for the TPP et al.
Oh, and those young people who support Bernie? They are excited by Bernie's ideas. They know damned right well that Hillary and Biden are same old same old. They are only interested in the election because of what Bernie stands for. They cannot be "delivered" to Hillary or Biden. I think the internet has now really changed the face of American politics. The younger people just look things up. They don't even see those million dollar campaign ads, they don't even read the shiny mailers. They see the "team player" thing as ridiculous. They see where that team has been leading them - more and more corporatism, with a little borrowed Progressive lip service hastily thrown over the top.

[glinda]

64. I part ways with you on Warren VP =looser thought.

First of all she brings a female of high intelligence and integrity to the office next to the President. It would allow her to gain more experience in certain matters also.
She is a strong person and would bring that to the table.
I think the whole Pres and VP thing all the way around for each candidate is a bit tricky at this point.

[Gregorian]

59. The corporate masters must be worried.

It just feels like someone is trying to dilute this primary in order to crowd out and overshadow Bernie Sanders. I wouldn't doubt it, as any change to our economy that benefits the little people is perceived as a loss.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

65. I knew it!

Hillary put them up to this. Biden will announce and say his VP is Elizabeth Warren to try to pull Bernie supporters away. Well, it won't work Hillary!