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Judi Lynn

(160,584 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:58 PM Aug 2015

Ferguson protester faces four years' jail over charges of kicking SUV

Source: Guardian

Ferguson protester faces four years' jail over charges of kicking SUV

Brittany Ferrell accused by St Louis police of causing $5,000 damage to car as driver forced her way through demonstrators at Michael Brown anniversary

Jon Swaine in New York
@jonswaine
Wednesday 12 August 2015 21.09 EDT

A protest leader in Ferguson, Missouri, could face up to four years in prison after being charged with a felony for allegedly kicking a vehicle as it ploughed through a line of peaceful demonstrators who were blocking a highway.

Brittany Ferrell was accused of causing damage worth more than $5,000 to the SUV as its driver forced her way through the group, which had gathered on Interstate 70 near Ferguson during events to mark the anniversary of the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old, by a police officer.

Ferrell, 26, was charged with first-degree property damage, which is a class D felony in Missouri. She was also charged with trespassing and disturbing the peace, according to Bob McCulloch, the prosecuting attorney for St Louis county, who oversaw the grand jury inquiry into Brown’s death. Ferrell was released on a $10,000 bond on Wednesday.

Ferrell’s wife, Alexis Templeton, was charged with misdemeanour assault for allegedly punching the driver through her vehicle’s window, and misdemeanour charges similar to Ferrell’s for alleged trespass and disturbing the peace. Templeton, 21, has also been released.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/13/ferguson-protester-faces-four-years-jail-over-charges-of-attacking-suv-and-driver



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Ferguson protester faces four years' jail over charges of kicking SUV (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2015 OP
I dont think there is much doubt to her guilt cstanleytech Aug 2015 #1
$5,000 worth of damage? With her foot? elias49 Aug 2015 #2
Believe it or not, it doesn't take much to damage a car now a days yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #3
Its possible Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #28
That was my thought as well CanonRay Aug 2015 #35
5 years is the maxim for a class D felony. She faces a maximum of 4. She probably won't see any. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #4
people tend to serve a fraction of the maximum, on non violent lower felonies HFRN Aug 2015 #78
It will probably be plead down to something lower Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #79
Is that part of the tough on crime sentencing laws? This is utterly rediculous. jwirr Aug 2015 #5
Dont kick a damn car on the highway. 7962 Aug 2015 #6
Agree. 840high Aug 2015 #8
Punching a motorist won't endear one to the general public either. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #17
It does have a combination effect....does the public have a right to ignore your protest? Supersedeas Aug 2015 #20
Of course the public has the right to ignore protests. christx30 Aug 2015 #24
I would say the threat of violence was more on the part of the driver leveymg Aug 2015 #52
Sounds like cars are pretty important to you. GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #18
Not destroying others property is a good idea Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #29
I'd pretend to support cars too when anything else would advertise my biases... LanternWaste Aug 2015 #21
you can't be too careful Supersedeas Aug 2015 #89
Darren Wilson commits murder and skates free. And now this. Ridiculous. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #7
You made a respectable point, GoneFishin. Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #10
The Holder Justice dept says he didnt. 7962 Aug 2015 #12
No, the DOJ said they could not prove the murder was racial based or a hate crime. Not even close GoneFishin Aug 2015 #16
did you even read the report? hill2016 Aug 2015 #25
in summary hill2016 Aug 2015 #27
None of which will stop the same misinformation from being repeated forever. nt 7962 Aug 2015 #41
Keep digging. "do not constitute prosecutable violations ... federal criminal civil rights statute." GoneFishin Aug 2015 #42
I see you ignored the parts hill2016 Aug 2015 #44
I see you ignored the fact that he got out of his car and shot an unarmed civilian 8 times. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #45
who tried hill2016 Aug 2015 #46
Your dramatic lack of accuracy is, if nothing else, rather consistent. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #22
he is hill2016 Aug 2015 #26
there is alot of that going round Supersedeas Aug 2015 #91
The sins of Darren Wilson justify all sorts of violence Supersedeas Aug 2015 #92
First, the car was said to be plowing through a crowd davidpdx Aug 2015 #9
The facts should have more to do with this. Thank you! n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #11
And insurance rates rise when you make a claim TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #14
Over a decade ago I had someone rear end me that had no insurance davidpdx Aug 2015 #15
I would hope restitution ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #19
I would rather see her pay Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #30
The car was not "plowing through" the crowd. See post #13 for video. 7962 Aug 2015 #40
This is an important consideration--did the car endanger the protesters Supersedeas Aug 2015 #93
Standing in the middle of a highway you say... Camel_Camel Aug 2015 #110
Here's the actual video of the incident 7962 Aug 2015 #13
wow hill2016 Aug 2015 #23
If you pushed through a line of police that way, they would shoot you dead. Reckless Endangerment leveymg Aug 2015 #54
The difference is that police would christx30 Aug 2015 #55
It makes no difference. Unless the driver had fear for life, it's assault with a motor vehicle. leveymg Aug 2015 #57
The driver isn't being charged. christx30 Aug 2015 #66
Oh how the roles would be reversed if that driver was giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #67
I'm not saying they should be run over. christx30 Aug 2015 #70
Oooh those scary black people meme again... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #71
There was an angry mob Devil Child Aug 2015 #86
Wow, 34 posts since 2008 & you remember your giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #87
I am amazing thank you. Devil Child Aug 2015 #90
I'll remember that the next time I am held captive jberryhill Aug 2015 #94
False equivalency. Blocking a roadway isn't kidnapping for ransom. n/t leveymg Aug 2015 #99
False imprisonment doesn't require a ransom demand jberryhill Aug 2015 #103
It isn't false imprisonment if you can back out. leveymg Aug 2015 #106
Traffic was backed up for over a mile jberryhill Aug 2015 #114
In a crowd of angry protesters, would such fear be unreasonable? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #96
Only one of the drivers freaked out and moved forward through the line of protestors. leveymg Aug 2015 #100
If they stay in a line, no poblem. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #102
Your children are at a daycare which closes in a half hour jberryhill Aug 2015 #108
Oh, as I said, I'd be pissed. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #111
while the car was moving? Hope all claim not guility and let a jury decide. Sunlei Aug 2015 #31
why were you standing on the highway Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #32
You can't run people over just because they're on the road. Sunlei Aug 2015 #34
She didnt run over anyone, she just gently shoved them out of the way. 7962 Aug 2015 #39
'gently shoved them out of the way' - so the rule that pedestrians have the right of way Rex Aug 2015 #60
Since the police arrested everybody, they realize that pedestrians are not allowed on the road. Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #68
They dont have the right of way on an interstate. 7962 Aug 2015 #81
You are another one who thinks they know the law and doesn't Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #84
Shhhh....don't break up their pretend outrage! Rex Aug 2015 #64
We're not saying that people have the right christx30 Aug 2015 #105
Anybody who watched that video and can't think for themselves Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #73
Or violating my constitutional right to move about freely! 7962 Aug 2015 #82
Free country? Rex Aug 2015 #59
Lolol, everyone on this thread saying the driver is right giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #33
Welcome to America, The Bizarro World Sunlei Aug 2015 #36
Guess, we should be thankful the driver wasn't armed or giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #38
yeah that driver could have killed somebody d_r Aug 2015 #37
I know some 5 year olds that have been taught not to play in the road. Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #43
i know some 15 year olds d_r Aug 2015 #48
Did you watch the video Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #49
I did watch the video d_r Aug 2015 #50
Because when you are driving along and minding your own business Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #51
Wrong all the car had to do was back up and take another route. Rex Aug 2015 #63
Reverse on the interstate? Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #65
Back up on the interstate?!?! Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #72
If a Tea Party protest held you up for christx30 Aug 2015 #83
no I wouldn't d_r Aug 2015 #85
I'd try to push past. christx30 Aug 2015 #88
The driver was legal and fine Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #47
In Amerikkka this is justified... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #53
It is illegal to hit someone with your car on purpose, but nice try. Rex Aug 2015 #62
Please cite all the relevant MO statutes to back your position up Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #74
Not when surrounded by an angry mob, it isn't. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #97
That or they are just concern trolling rather poorly. Rex Aug 2015 #61
It's hard to grasp. Democrats don't think like that, as intelligent, awakened people. Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #112
So I would assume all the bikers who went road rage on that SUV in new York are all facing same? dembotoz Aug 2015 #56
One of the bikers was paralyzed for life. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #69
OTOH; former CoP shoots wife while she is asleep and gets 12 months probation. Rex Aug 2015 #58
What was the max for the original charge jberryhill Aug 2015 #104
Try not to damage property Blandocyte Aug 2015 #75
What kind of country is this where people can't even protest without getting valerief Aug 2015 #76
The kind that insists on peaceful protest. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #98
people should also be free to drive the highway without having their car damaged. Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #101
What kind of country is it where people can surround a vehicle and start banging on it..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #109
If a driver was ploughing through peaceful demonstrators..... Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #77
I call bullshit. No way that tiny lady caused 5,000 in damage to a car with her foot onecaliberal Aug 2015 #80
She didn't have to jberryhill Aug 2015 #95
There are several reasons racist right-wingers would go berserk about this lady. Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #113
FIVE YEARS? Did the SUV die or something? n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #107

cstanleytech

(26,303 posts)
1. I dont think there is much doubt to her guilt
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:08 PM
Aug 2015

but sending her to jail is not justice, instead she should be sentenced to doing community service say 8 hours per week for the next 5 years.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
2. $5,000 worth of damage? With her foot?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:12 PM
Aug 2015

You have to be kidding me!

She looks really dangerous!
just in case...

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Believe it or not, it doesn't take much to damage a car now a days
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:22 PM
Aug 2015

They are cheaply made and can dent easily. And on top of that if you dent a part of the car that includes one large part of the vehicle, there's you 5 grand. I believe it easily. Even if it is a small dent it can cost a lot to fix.

Gore1FL

(21,134 posts)
4. 5 years is the maxim for a class D felony. She faces a maximum of 4. She probably won't see any.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:25 PM
Aug 2015

The article makes it sound like we are at the sentencing phase of a trial that hasn't happened yet.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/missouri-felony-class.htm

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
78. people tend to serve a fraction of the maximum, on non violent lower felonies
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:45 PM
Aug 2015

maximum 4 years often translates to something like 20-30 days

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
79. It will probably be plead down to something lower
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:48 PM
Aug 2015

I hope so for her future- nobody hires nurses with felony convictions on their record.

Of course, this now will forever follow her when any prospective employer googles her name...

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
6. Dont kick a damn car on the highway.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:32 PM
Aug 2015

You'll get ZERO more supporters for your cause. They ought to charge the others blocking the road as accessories

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
20. It does have a combination effect....does the public have a right to ignore your protest?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:54 PM
Aug 2015

Without the threat of violence?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
24. Of course the public has the right to ignore protests.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

Not everyone is interested. And if you shove their face into it, you could turn someone that might be sympathetic toward your cause totally away from it.

Besides, walking on the interstate is stupid, as is blocking traffic. They are lucky to still be alive, when you're walking in an area with no stop lights, and cars going 60+ MPH. They are lucky no one slammed into the car that got kicked. I would have supported manslaughter charges if anyone had died because of their stupidity.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
52. I would say the threat of violence was more on the part of the driver
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:34 PM
Aug 2015

who rolled her SUV through a group of pedestrians, no matter they were trespassing on the road.

Driver should have been charged with Reckless Endangerment, if there was a real danger of injury to persons in the roadway.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
29. Not destroying others property is a good idea
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:47 PM
Aug 2015

And lets wait for sentancing and a trial. The odds she gets jail time are small. Give her a 10k fine and be done with it

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. I'd pretend to support cars too when anything else would advertise my biases...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:59 PM
Aug 2015

I'd pretend to support cars too when anything else would advertise my biases far too obviously for DU...

Judi Lynn

(160,584 posts)
10. You made a respectable point, GoneFishin.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:29 AM
Aug 2015

Depends upon who has committed an either completely understandable act, or an unholy crime, doesn't it?

Unbelievable!

Fortunately, Democrats aren't so unbalanced.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. The Holder Justice dept says he didnt.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:19 AM
Aug 2015

No to mention the whole hands up dont shoot never happened. This was the wrong event to make a big deal.
Eric Garner should be the poster boy for the bad cop issue. We see him, as it happens, being strangled to death for NO reason. The man in SC shot in the back running away, unarmed. The man in Utah shot for not turning around. The student in Alabama. Athens ga. Its a long list.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
16. No, the DOJ said they could not prove the murder was racial based or a hate crime. Not even close
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:10 AM
Aug 2015

to the same thing. Darren Wilson murdered an unarmed civilian who he was paid to protect and serve. Being a cop in a district where the DA is racist and refuses to prosecute cops' violence against minorities is not even fucking close to being innocent.

 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
25. did you even read the report?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:34 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

Page 78, legal analysis.


The evidence discussed above does not meet the standards for presentation of an
indictment set forth in the USAM and in the governing federal law. The evidence is insufficient
to establish probable cause or to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242
and would not be likely to survive a defense motion for acquittal at trial pursuant to Federal Rule
of Criminal Procedure 29(a). This is true for all six to eight shots that struck Brown. Witness
accounts suggesting that Brown was standing still with his hands raised in an unambiguous
signal of surrender when Wilson shot Brown are inconsistent with the physical evidence, are
otherwise not credible because of internal inconsistencies, or are not credible because of
inconsistencies with other credible evidence. In contrast, Wilson’s account of Brown’s actions,
if true, would establish that the shootings were not objectively unreasonable under the relevant
Constitutional standards governing an officer’s use of deadly force. Multiple credible witnesses
corroborate virtually every material aspect of Wilson’s account and are consistent with the
physical evidence. Even if the evidence established that Wilson’s actions were unreasonable, the
government would also have to prove that Wilson acted willfully, i.e. that he acted with a
specific intent to violate the law. As discussed above, Wilson’s stated intent for shooting Brown
was in response to a perceived deadly threat. The only possible basis for prosecuting Wilson
under Section 242 would therefore be if the government could prove that his account is not true –
i.e., that Brown never punched and grabbed Wilson at the SUV, never struggled with Wilson
over the gun, and thereafter clearly surrendered in a way that no reasonable officer could have
failed to perceive. Not only do eyewitnesses and physical evidence corroborate Wilson’s
account, but there is no credible evidence to disprove Wilson’s perception that Brown posed a
threat to Wilson as Brown advanced toward him. Accordingly, seeking his indictment is not
permitted by Department of Justice policy or the governing law.





For all of the reasons stated, Wilson’s conduct in shooting Brown as he advanced on
Wilson, and until he fell to the ground, was not objectively unreasonable and thus not a violation
of 18 U.S.C. § 242.



Because Wilson did not act with the requisite criminal intent, it cannot be proven beyond
reasonable doubt to a jury that he violated 18 U.S.C.§ 242 when he fired his weapon at Brown.



For the reasons set forth above, this matter lacks prosecutive merit and should be closed.
 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
27. in summary
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:38 PM
Aug 2015

the evidence is too weak to even constitute probable cause for an indictment LET ALONE surviving a motion to dismiss by the defense LET ALONE actually proving beyond reasonable doubt to a jury.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
42. Keep digging. "do not constitute prosecutable violations ... federal criminal civil rights statute."
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:05 PM
Aug 2015
 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
44. I see you ignored the parts
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:46 PM
Aug 2015

where they say the shooting was reasonable under the circumstances and the witnesses who claimed his hands were up were not credible.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Your dramatic lack of accuracy is, if nothing else, rather consistent.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:00 PM
Aug 2015

Your dramatic lack of accuracy is, if nothing else, rather consistent.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
9. First, the car was said to be plowing through a crowd
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:33 AM
Aug 2015

Granted they were on an interstate, but drivers still have a responsibility to not hit pedestrians. The damage to the car is not that big of a deal. There is something called insurance. The other person punching someone, that is assault.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
14. And insurance rates rise when you make a claim
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:39 AM
Aug 2015

And most people have something called a deductible.

I have a nice scratch on my car that was never fixed because it wasn't worth making a claim (with the potential rise in rates) and paying the deductible.

I would be very upset to read that this young woman went to prison over this, especially if she doesn't have a criminal record (which I assume she doesn't). But she needs to take responsibility for what she did.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
15. Over a decade ago I had someone rear end me that had no insurance
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:27 AM
Aug 2015

We were on a local highway and I was stopped at a light. Pulled over into the parking lot to get his information and he took off. Fortunately someone in another vehicle saw the whole thing happen and went after him and got his plate number and came back and gave it to me. The person was a saint because my deductible went down from $500 to $300, plus they caught the guy. Turns out it wasn't even his car (I think it belonged to a family member, but I can't remember). My insurance company went after him for the rest of the cost. It was still bad, but

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
40. The car was not "plowing through" the crowd. See post #13 for video.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
Aug 2015

The woman moves slowly until the people blocking her are out of the way. I can easily see where a woman could feel threatened by a crowd surrounding her car. I would've done the same thing. Dont try to block an active highway

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
13. Here's the actual video of the incident
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:26 AM
Aug 2015

Although this clip starts after the kicking, you can see the dented door as the driver pulls away.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
54. If you pushed through a line of police that way, they would shoot you dead. Reckless Endangerment
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:37 PM
Aug 2015

unless the crowd was attacking the vehicle before it moved forward - in which case, I would try to back up.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
55. The difference is that police would
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:53 PM
Aug 2015

have the right and a reason to obstruct traffic. Those protestors do not. If my car was stopped by a bunch of angry people that were attacking it, id be terrified and want to get the hell out of there.
I hope the judge throws the book at these people, and protestors use other tactics to get their point across.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
57. It makes no difference. Unless the driver had fear for life, it's assault with a motor vehicle.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:35 PM
Aug 2015

It doesn't matter who's in the roadway or why they're there. You can't endanger them by driving through a crowd that way, unless, as I said, one has reason to fear for one's own life or limb, and there is no alternative to driving forward into a line of people.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
66. The driver isn't being charged.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:15 PM
Aug 2015

The only people being charged are the protestors.
One faces 3 years in prison for it. And I hope she gets every second of that time.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
67. Oh how the roles would be reversed if that driver was
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:33 PM
Aug 2015

a minority & those were just some good old wholesome Americans standing on that road exercising their constitutional rights.

People can get run over protesting on a highway, because the driver felt inconvenienced? The whole point of the protest is to inconvenience people that will otherwise ignore a dire situation because it doesn't effect them.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
70. I'm not saying they should be run over.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:02 PM
Aug 2015

But they need to be smarter about walking onto a highway where cars are going 60+ MPH, and shouldn't be surprised if people in cars are afraid of angry people with signs screaming at them and wanting to leave the area.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
71. Oooh those scary black people meme again...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:06 PM
Aug 2015

Clutch your purse & lock the door honey, there's an angry mob out front.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
86. There was an angry mob
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:10 PM
Aug 2015

Watch the video, there is an angry mob surrounding her car. No wonder she wasn't charged.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
87. Wow, 34 posts since 2008 & you remember your
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:17 PM
Aug 2015

password that's amazing. So what brings you out tonight, was it the keywords ”angry mob”?

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
90. I am amazing thank you.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:29 PM
Aug 2015

I'm here every night. Since 2008. Don't post much as you can tell.

The charges towards the protestor are stupid, about as stupid as protesting on a freeway.

A crowd of angry people start surrounding a car screaming and panic will probably kick in. No need to call the driver racist or scared of black people but whatever continue on.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
103. False imprisonment doesn't require a ransom demand
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:42 PM
Aug 2015

Who said anything about demanding ransom?

She wasn't let go for ransom. She was let go for a punch in the head.
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
96. In a crowd of angry protesters, would such fear be unreasonable?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:32 AM
Aug 2015

In the scenario shown in the video in Post #13, I'd have been in fear for my life, without a doubt.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
100. Only one of the drivers freaked out and moved forward through the line of protestors.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:36 PM
Aug 2015

AFAIK, this was the only vehicle damaged. Driver should have been charged, too.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
102. If they stay in a line, no poblem.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:02 PM
Aug 2015

If I were driving in this situation and the protesters stayed in a line, just blocking the road, I'd just sit there, too. I'd be pissed off, I'm sure...but I'd just sit there. I wouldn't try to drive past them unless they started surrounding my car. Then I'm getting the hell out of there, no hesitation, no apologies.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
111. Oh, as I said, I'd be pissed.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 01:04 AM
Aug 2015

And having to call the daycare and let them know I'll be late because some people with a very real beef have no fucking clue how to advance their cause ain't gonna improve my mood. But if I don't feel threatened, I'm not going to risk escalating things.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. while the car was moving? Hope all claim not guility and let a jury decide.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:52 PM
Aug 2015

wish I lived in that county, I always go to jury duty.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
39. She didnt run over anyone, she just gently shoved them out of the way.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

Dont block an active highway.
There are other clips of folks who werent so easy on the gas pedal. Which is probably the way I wouldve handled it. Move or BE moved.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
60. 'gently shoved them out of the way' - so the rule that pedestrians have the right of way
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:42 PM
Aug 2015

doesn't mean anything to you? Glad you are not a judge or cop, I would cringe if you were.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
68. Since the police arrested everybody, they realize that pedestrians are not allowed on the road.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:50 PM
Aug 2015
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
81. They dont have the right of way on an interstate.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:30 PM
Aug 2015

Show me THAT law. "Pedestrians have the right of way on any road at any time during any action".
Ha
I wouldve liked to have seen the whole 1st row slowly move forward. They would have all moved out of the way. Unless they were totally stupid, which I doubt. Then everyone would have gotten home on time

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
84. You are another one who thinks they know the law and doesn't
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:58 PM
Aug 2015

You are spouting off in ignorance pretending its knowledge. You should do a little research before making bullshit claims.

Here is the actual Missouri law on the matter:

300.390. When Pedestrian Shall Yield
(1) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or
within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon
the roadway.
(2) Any pedestrian crossing a roadway at a point where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead
pedestrian crossing has been provided shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the
roadway. (3) The foregoing rules in this section have no application under the conditions stated
in section 300.395 when pedestrians are prohibited from crossing at certain designated places


I even put it in italics so maybe you can grasp it. No, the pedestrians didn't legally have right of way.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
64. Shhhh....don't break up their pretend outrage!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:49 PM
Aug 2015

I swear some of the outlandish things posters will post, just to yank a few chains. To be correct, they are saying a person has the right to run over people with their car.

Normally that kind of obvious bullshit would get a person laughed off a forum, not this one. Concern trolling is all the rage on DU doncha know?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
105. We're not saying that people have the right
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:31 PM
Aug 2015

to run someone over.
We're saying that no one has the right to stand in the road and impede traffic just to make a political point by inconviencing people. It's a bad idea politcally (you're going to piss off people that might support you, but you're making them late for things), and it's a bad idea for safety (someone could crash into the vehicle they aren't expecting to be stopped).
And if they make me late for work, I'm going to call the cops and try to have you ticketed or jailed. I don't factor in "A bunch of idiots decided to stand in the road" as part of my commute.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
73. Anybody who watched that video and can't think for themselves
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:27 PM
Aug 2015

Understands that nobody was "run over"

You also can't illegally go on a controlled access highway, stand in traffic and prevent people for going about their travels.

In fact, because the motorists were intentionally restrained from leaving one could argue that what the protesters did actually could be considered 3rd degree kidnapping under MO law based on what I looked up.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
33. Lolol, everyone on this thread saying the driver is right
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:03 PM
Aug 2015

is obviously oblivious to pedestrian laws. WTG, lets just run protesters over now that makes total sense.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
38. Guess, we should be thankful the driver wasn't armed or
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:27 PM
Aug 2015

this thread would be about how they were fearing for their lives so they opened fire & it was just self defense.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
37. yeah that driver could have killed somebody
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

they think they are so important and have to get somewhere so bad that they drive through where they could hurt or kill somebody instead of waiting for 20 minutes out of memory of a dead young man. People suck.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
43. I know some 5 year olds that have been taught not to play in the road.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:19 PM
Aug 2015

Too bad these people didnt learn that lesson.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
48. i know some 15 year olds
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

that have been taught not to drive through people in the road, too bad this person didn't learn that lesson. They could have killed somebody.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
49. Did you watch the video
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

Driver went very slow until the odors were out of the path, then sped up to escape.

And in MO a pedestrian not in a cross walk must yield to traffic, so the motorist was legal.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
50. I did watch the video
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:21 PM
Aug 2015

it looks to me like they are driving through a crowd of protesters that were blocking the road.

I really don't know why anyone would do that instead of just waiting 20 minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised about right wingers complaining about it, but it seems crazy to me to drive through a line of people protesting.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
51. Because when you are driving along and minding your own business
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Aug 2015

And a bunch of people who you don't know, whose intentions you don't know, illegally attempt to block you in you are smart to not just sit back.

You of the hindsight of knowing who it was and the assumption they were peaceful. That motorist was caught up in it on a whim- and based on the kicking and punching the protestors were less than peaceful.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
63. Wrong all the car had to do was back up and take another route.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:47 PM
Aug 2015

It is illegal to hit someone with your car. Reversing the car solves the problem. Not even close to nice try.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
72. Back up on the interstate?!?!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:17 PM
Aug 2015

Really? That's your solution?

That idea aside from being downright idiotic is unsafe, illegal, and with traffic backe up behind you impossible.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
83. If a Tea Party protest held you up for
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:50 PM
Aug 2015

20 minutes, you'd be pissed and you'd try to get past them. No one has the right to hold you up and prevent you from going about your day for a political protest, no matter the cause they support.
If the protestors didn't want to get pushed out of the way of the SUV, they should have stayed on the sidewalk.
The protestors were 100% in the wrong here.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
85. no I wouldn't
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:59 PM
Aug 2015

I wouldn't drive through people. I'm sorry, there's no way I would do that. I don't care if it was the kkk. It is amazing to me that people think that is OK.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
88. I'd try to push past.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:29 PM
Aug 2015

Failing that, I'd call the police and have the people impeding traffic arrested and fined.

You have the right to speak. You don't have the right to impede other people from living their lives. Stay on the side walk and let people go about their day.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
47. The driver was legal and fine
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

The car obviously inched foward slowly until the protesters got out of the way, and only then sped up- as most people would if they are suddenly surrounded by a mob on the street.

FWIW, look up MO statute 300.390- (1) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right of way to vehicles upon the roadway.

I'm some states blocking a persons ability to leave a place in their vehicle is chargeable as kidnapping in some circumstances- holding motorists up could constitute that. I've seen it done where a spouse prevented someone from leaving in a car where that was the only reasonable option to exit the area.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
53. In Amerikkka this is justified...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:34 PM
Aug 2015

Other civilized countries think it's batshit insane. But then again other civilized countries also sympathize with the Black Lives Matter movement as well.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
74. Please cite all the relevant MO statutes to back your position up
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:33 PM
Aug 2015

First, start with the legality of pedestrians on a controlled access highway.

Next, tell us who has right of way when a pedestrian and motorist meet and the pedestrian is not in a crosswalk, and who must yield in that circumstance.

Next, what crimes could be in play when a group of people restrain one or more people and prevent than from lawfully traveling or leaving the scene with the legally available means they have?

Finally, if a mob of people illegally on e highway is restraining a persons ability to travel or leave the location, and that person responds by slowly inching the vehicle forward at a speed that will not harm anyone until the people restraining them part and let them pass- what law exactly was broken. Cite tha statute number please.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
97. Not when surrounded by an angry mob, it isn't.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:35 AM
Aug 2015

In such a case, it's a lot more likely to be found, in court, to be justifiable use of force.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
61. That or they are just concern trolling rather poorly.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:43 PM
Aug 2015

I would go with the second one, since it is illegal to hit someone with your car on purpose. THEY know that, but stirring up the shit is easier and it might yank a few chains.

Judi Lynn

(160,584 posts)
112. It's hard to grasp. Democrats don't think like that, as intelligent, awakened people.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 03:23 AM
Aug 2015

DU does get infested with stowaways, unfortunately, posing as Democrats. They are unable to avoid giving themselves away every time.

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
69. One of the bikers was paralyzed for life.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:02 PM
Aug 2015

They paid dearly. The driver was attacked with a knife but was not charged with any crime.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. OTOH; former CoP shoots wife while she is asleep and gets 12 months probation.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:38 PM
Aug 2015

This country has a Police State of Denial problem.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
104. What was the max for the original charge
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:45 PM
Aug 2015

The maximum penalty for an initial charge, and what people plead to or are eventually sentenced to, are two different things.

Would you be interested in a financial proposition on the subject of whether the accused in this instance actually is imprisoned when all is said and done?

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
75. Try not to damage property
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:35 PM
Aug 2015

And please don't block public roads. The law-abiding among us will appreciate your restraint.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
76. What kind of country is this where people can't even protest without getting
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:39 PM
Aug 2015

run over/arrested/shot at/pepper sprayed/beaten up? Oh, yeah, Land of the Free. We're number fuckin' one.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
98. The kind that insists on peaceful protest.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:38 AM
Aug 2015

An angry mob surrounding vehicles and pounding on/kicking them sure as hell isn't "peaceful." In that driver's place, I'd have been in fear for my life.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
109. What kind of country is it where people can surround a vehicle and start banging on it.....
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:48 PM
Aug 2015

....and people think the driver has no right to be concerned about what might happen to them next?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
77. If a driver was ploughing through peaceful demonstrators.....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:40 PM
Aug 2015

surely the driver of the vehicle should be charged heavily?

onecaliberal

(32,875 posts)
80. I call bullshit. No way that tiny lady caused 5,000 in damage to a car with her foot
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:53 PM
Aug 2015

When bankers who ripped off trillions walk free.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
95. She didn't have to
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:23 AM
Aug 2015

If you are part of a group which, say, steals $10,000, then it's not like the amount gets divvied up between the members of the group.

In other words, if all of them did $5000 damage to the car, and her contribution was $500, that's not what matters.

I wonder where the driver was trying to go.

Judi Lynn

(160,584 posts)
113. There are several reasons racist right-wingers would go berserk about this lady.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 03:26 AM
Aug 2015

It's truly deeply sad.

People do reveal themselves when their upbringings overwhelm their good judgement.

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