Most charges against Wikileaks founder to expire
Source: Deutsche Welle
Most charges against Wikileaks founder to expire
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been living inside Ecuador's London embassy since 2012 to avoid extradition. The Australian has been wanted by Sweden on criminal charges, most of which are set to expire.
Date 12.08.2015
Swedish prosecutors are to drop three allegations of sexual offences against 44-year-old Julian Assange because of the five-year statute of limitations, a prosecution spokeswoman said Wednesday.
The Australian, who denies any wrongdoing, has long said he fears Sweden may extradite him to the United States, where he could face trial over Wikileaks' publication of huge amounts of leaked classified US military and diplomatic documents.
Under diplomatic protection
Assange - who escaped a Swedish arrest warrant by taking refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy in London in 2012 - is wanted on two allegations of sexual molestation and one of unlawful coercion, which expire by August 18 unless he is formally charged. A fourth allegation of rape is valid until 2020.
He denies the charges and says the criminal cases are politically motivated.
Read more: http://www.dw.com/en/most-charges-against-wikileaks-founder-to-expire/a-18646384
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)No one this dedicated to exposing truth, would fight LIES like this for so long if they were guilty. Good on him for beating this character assassination attempt, it cost him a lot.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)What?
If they were LIES, why hide? The Swedes would have to prove their case in open court. Thus exposing the LIES.
Instead, hiding means there is no airing of the evidence. He gets to keep the evidence secret. Rather odd for someone "dedicated to exposing truth".
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)He goes to London--a FREE MAN under Swedish law; Sweden replaces that prosecutor and THEN they seek his extradition on the same trumped up charges--charges so flimsy that the first prosecutor dropped the case. He offers to meet with the Swedish prosecutor in London. They refused to meet with him. The UK gets involved and starts to extradite him. At that point, he could be sure that he was the victim of a political persecution, and sought political asylum. Ecuador granted him asylum, but the UK has refused to honor that important diplomatic right of Ecuador, as a sovereign country, to grant asylum. They won't let Assange fly to Ecuador. Thus, Assange is a prisoner in the Ecuadoran embassy in London, surrounded by UK police. Assange has offered, once again, to meet with Swedish prosecutors, but this time with a written guarantee that he will not be extradited to the U.S. He has no fear of the Swedish charges. He is innocent of them. He is perfectly willing to be questioned--has been all along--and to go to court. What he doesn't want is to be silenced by the U.S.!
Sweden doesn't want to question him--they have repeatedly refused to do so; what they want is to get him into custody to extradite him! The whole thing stinks to high heaven! It seems very clear to me that Assange was the victim of a "honey trap"--a plot designed to get him shipped to the U.S., to be buried in some CIA dungeon. The first Swedish prosecutor didn't buy it because it was so obviously bullshit, and refused to do the bidding of the U.S. intelligence establishment.
Please, PLEASE study up on what you hear in the Corporate News. Don't you understand that this plot has been specifically designed to silence Julian Assange and to slander him in the eyes of gullible people who don't question "the news"?
Nihil
(13,508 posts)Thanks for reminding people!
hack89
(39,171 posts)His lawyer testified under oath that the prosecutor notified him several times that she wanted to interview Assange. Once told of this, Assange promptly fled to London. Where he fought extradition for two years.
Have you ever read the trial transcript?
cprise
(8,445 posts)...the guy who employed Karl Rove as his political advisor?
Is this the prosecutor who stepped in after the original one decided to drop the investigation?
We also have an accuser who worked for the CIA, and her attorney facilitated illegal renditions of people on Swedish soil to the CIA... under threats of economic sanctions from the US!
Interviewing abroad is fairly routine for Sweden's criminal justice system. But they are playing political games here, pretending the US has not convened a secret grand jury investigation (which will go public the moment Assange steps onto Swedish soil). The game-playing would not be necessary if the motivation for prosecution wasn't underhanded, but now it has run them out of time.
U.S. Tries to Build Case for Conspiracy by WikiLeaks
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/16wiki.html?_r=4&hp
WikiLeaks Accusers' Counsel Helped CIA Rendition
http://www.justice-integrity.org/faq/361-wikileaks-accusers-counsel-helped-cia-rendition
elias49
(4,259 posts)The people who are still ranting in this thread need to read them or shut the fuck up.
Assange was set up, and the next jack-ass that spits up "rape apologist" can go to hell.
See ya.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The Swedish legal system is not the same as the US legal system. The Swedes do a formal interview before they arrest someone. In the US, we arrest them and then talk to them.
If the Swedes had the US legal system, they would not just be trying to "talk" to him. They'd be trying to slap the cuffs on. But their system is different from ours.
Nope. The meeting was called off when Assange and the Ecuadorians insisted that the Swedes give up their right to arrest him. Since this interview is the formality before arresting him, that makes the interview pointless.
Because the UK, our closest ally with a nearly identical legal system, would not extradite Assange to the US if we asked.
Again, the Swedes do not use the US legal system. This "questioning" is a formality before arrest. The investigation is at the point where they would arrest Assange if Sweden used the US legal system.
Who says so? The UK's high court. Which you are claiming would never, ever, ever extradite Assange to the US.
No, the "plot" is to make people like you believe he is being persecuted instead of being a rapist.
Assange hasn't broken any US laws. The federal law about leaking classified information makes it illegal to sell the information, or to give it to a foreign country. Assange didn't sell it, and he gave it to "everyone".
That's why Ellsberg's prosecution imploded. He had not actually committed a crime. So the FBi and others flailed about trying to find something, until the judge cut them off.
But let's study up on what Assange has done. Wikileaks has been crippled by Assange's unwillingness to let anyone else run it while he's in the embassy. And Assange did not actually start Wikileaks. He was brought on to be a spokesman, and later pushed aside the people who actually started it in order to declare himself the guy behind Wikileaks.
Then there's the Russia problem. Assange claimed he had a big pile of documents from Russia that he was going to leak. But he is so dedicated to telling the truth and exposing lies that he never released the Russian documents. Probably because Russia has a history of actually killing people who do that.
Assage is a narcissist who raped at least one woman. The fact that you like some of the other things that were done in Assange's name does not erase those events.
cprise
(8,445 posts)Why isn't the accuser's lawyer in jail for conspiracy to hand people over to the US for torture?
Why is Bradley Manning in prison?
Why does the US want to charge Assange with conspiracy?
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As I understand it, Ecuador demanded that Sweden recognize Assange's asylum status and not extradite Assange. The Swedish prosecutor wouldn't agree, misinterpreting the request as a demand to grant Assange asylum in Sweden.
The disagreement was about giving primacy to Assange's ability to take refuge in Ecuador over a US demand for extradition. IOW - Sweden had to administer justice itself within its own system and borders, e.g. hold to its superficial claims and not act as a handmaiden for any 'surprises' the US government had waiting for Assange.
Between the years of high-handed refusal and sudden change of mind over visiting London, and then the ensuing diplomatic 'bum rush', I think there is more than a hint of incompetence at work there.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Because the accuser's lawyer isn't?
Again, the UK would gladly hand over Assange to us, if we asked. The UK is our closest ally. We share all sorts of intel. Including intel that was leaked via Assange. From UK intelligence agencies. Yet you are claiming the UK would never, ever extradite Assange to the US.
We have a much less friendly relationship with Sweden. No Swedish secret documents have been leaked via Assange either. Yet somehow Sweden is the key to getting Assange to the US?
Chelsea. Get her name right.
She is in prison because the UCMJ makes leaking classified information to anyone for any reason a felony. Civilians, like Assange, are not subject to the UCMJ. Civilians are only subject to the "regular" law regarding espionage, and that one has a gaping hole for Assange to stroll through.
Couldn't manage to notice the word "trying" in the headline?
The US can charge Assange with anything at any time. Go ahead and charge him with jaywalking. Nothing is stopping prosecutors from doing that.
They can even ask the UK to extradite him for it. The problem becomes proving it in court. And like Elsberg, the US will not be able to prove it in court.
No, the demand would result in promising to never extradite Assange for any crime. Because Assange's lawyers can't point to a particular law that Assange violated to be more specific.
No country is going to hand out that sort of blank check.
Great! Show me the US demand for extradition. Also, explain why we didn't demand that of the UK.
The "change of mind" is because Assange lied about being willing to be interviewed. He backed out when the Swedes refused to give up their right to arrest him after the interview.
cprise
(8,445 posts)As for, "The US can charge Assange with anything at any time..." its pretty clear that the timing isn't right until he is on the soil of a compliant government.
'Somehow' Swedish authorities had some people beat up, drugged and sent to US torture prison. Knowingly. The country also elected a PM who was a huge fan of George Bush and hired Karl Rove as a consultant. So there is an element in Sweden that aspires to imperial hubris.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The UK is the most complaint government on the planet in this situation.
It's not like the UK joined the invasion or anything, demonstrating more imperial hubris.
Oh Wait! They did!
24601
(3,963 posts)of physical gender or sexual identity.
elias49
(4,259 posts)You don't belong in this thread then.
Bye.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Oh, I'm so hurt.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)why aren't you working for the prosecution. Fact is YOU don't know !
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And you could too. All you'd have to do is actually follow the case instead of reading hyperbolic claims about sinister secret plots.
Just because someone does something you like in one part of their life does not mean they always do things you like in every part of their life. Assange has screwed over his friends in the past. It's not inconceivable he'd be more literal.
elias49
(4,259 posts)Yet you're still running your mouth.
Who gives you your marching orders? Karl Rove?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hrm....wonder why they needed to add the conditional.....oh yeah! Assange didn't actually break the law.
cprise
(8,445 posts)But he's got that "No!" thing down to a science.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]
GoldenEagle16
(40 posts)V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)He'll beat it, they'll fold on that too,
Rockyj
(538 posts)He was SET up! I am a professional in the violence against women field and I would be the first to want justice if these allegations were true. I researched the case they tried to create against him it was obvious these two women were coerced by the Swedish government (for USA) to make these rape allegations against him! One bragged about being with him and allowed him stay at her place after the said rape, and even hosted a party get together for him. Not using a condom during consensual sex is rape. YES, Assange is a typical male jerk using his celebrity status to get laid and he took advantage of these little groupies but that's it!
Wikileaks offers a place of transparency and insight of our world wide oligarchy governments that are crushing the poor, middle class through ongoing WARS while destroying Mother Earth.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Go read the actual charges on his arrest warrant.
elias49
(4,259 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Tell you what - let's call it a draw. You get to believe his innocence, I get to enjoy another 5 years of his self imprisionment.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Are you sure you picked the right word there? Are you really that kind of person?
hack89
(39,171 posts)He has avoided every opportunity to talk to the police. If he was innocent this could have been resolved five years ago.
candelista
(1,986 posts)It just seemed a little creepy to me. Probably nothing.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Perhaps it was not the best choice of words. As a practical matter Assange does not mean that much to me - you know how Internet discussions take on a life of their own.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Don't let your extremist critics get you down. The facts are on your side.
hack89
(39,171 posts)8 years of self imprisonment for a charge with a max of four years might be a good deal in their eyes. Especially if he might walk free in a trial.
navarth
(5,927 posts)where's my popcorn
elias49
(4,259 posts)Got a hide in a similar thread.
I'm broken up.
Dumbest international kerfuffle I've seen in years.
Yet some will go to ungodly lengths on this topic of Assange.
Enjoy. I'm on my way to a less venomous place.
navarth
(5,927 posts)Hope you're not gone yet?
hack89
(39,171 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)Who said Assange raped anyone? Did the court find him guilty?
I'm sick of some people on these boards...
A couple of weeks I posted about the woman some have called the "Huntress" She's the woman who posed with a giraffe she had killed. Big game hunter. I happen to abhor trophy hunting.
I called the Huntress a stupid b****. I got lambasted by a couple of strident feminists - no. let me correct that - I got lambasted by a couple of a**holes, one of which said "It's never OK to be a mysoginistic fuck."
So I'm a mysoginistic fuck because I called the Huntress a bitch?
Fuck whoever alerted. READ for UNDERSTANDING.
You know who you are.
Anyhow, I think there may be a few people - dare I say 'women' - who need to get their heads examined.
They might be surprised to find that they're imagining things that aren't there!
Sorry about ranting on your post.
But...
hack89
(39,171 posts)rape apologist or slut shaming - take your pick.
You blamed the victim.
elias49
(4,259 posts)His ex-fans can go find a new mark.
As I said: "Buttons"
Some will understand.
hack89
(39,171 posts)a lot can happen. One health emergency and it is over for him.
elias49
(4,259 posts)Sick.
hack89
(39,171 posts)The status quo is perfectly fine to me.
elias49
(4,259 posts)someone's life has been fucked over for political reasons.
Very Christian of you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)And I am enjoying our interaction. Relax and don't take it so personally. You are getting stressed for no reason.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)From one Atheist to another, you need to present some evidence or step off. You are enjoying nothing but your own obviously judgmental opinion.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Because my opponent is laying out one well documented point after another.
You another fanboi that thinks Assange is too dreamy to actually rape a woman?
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)I want to afford everyone, one of the foundations of Western Legal Justice called : Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat ;
(the burden of proof is on him who declares, not on him who denies). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
Faced with a rigged system that cherry picks who this concept applies to and who it doesn't is exactly why Assange had to seek asylum, he embarrassed the most powerful enemies in the world (CIA/MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX) with the truth on Wikileaks
and they have all the resources and power in the world to find any dirt on him they can... and you refuse to even consider the possibility this rape claim may be a 100% made up (and she might even be in on it) ? They don't want justice , they want REVENGE!
Maybe if he were a nobody this wouldn't reek so bad of a set up. How dare he have the foresight to know when he's gonna get gamed if he plays it their way.....right ? It's the same Reason Ed Snowden hasn't come home, and Chelsea Manning is in prison.
Maybe that's asking to much, so people like you just want still just want to burn the witch. So Until you are prosecutor with damning evidence you should reserve your judgement until the facts are brought to the surface to for all to see. In the mean time on behalf of the principles of modern legal justice you can shut your overzealous, reactionary face.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Fought extradition for two years and then jumped bail when he lost tells me all I need to know.
Here is a news flash - even dreamy heroes like Assange are capable of doing horrible things. Humans are complex.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)You are worth an IGNORE then for sure...
hack89
(39,171 posts)Pretty radical thought I know.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)And the turkey that alerted me was quickly hidden. Loved it. Karma's a bi...opps, there's that word again!
Hair on fire!!!!
dsc
(52,166 posts)but that said, it seems that the statute of limitations should be paused while he is actively evading being extradited.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Ecuador would not allow them to do the interview process because once it was done Assange would've been taken into custody.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If I'm ever charged with a serious crime, flee to the nearest consulate and wait out the SOL...
Bill Cosby is probably calling consulates as we speak...
hack89
(39,171 posts)are you?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)than any actual punishment he receives.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)when none of them back up with real evidence why. The system that would put him on trial is no better than a drumhead trail because he has enemies in high places that control the courts/ prosecution to do their bidding, that's why he sought asylum. It is rigged so bad against him it's ridiculous for anyone to think he's any different than Ed Snowden or Chelsea Manning. This is a character assassination built by the CIA, and the highest levels of US governance (Who are his accusers anyway ? what is their reputation ? how do we know we can trust them ?)
Too many people assuming guilty until proven innocent here in DU. He just did what was necessary to avoid being railroaded into prison by avoiding a corrupt to the core system that obviously wants him taken out at any cost, because he exposed things about them that were true and embarrassed them on a worldwide stage. All they (US intelligence) want is revenge, not justice. If you knew this kind of thing was going to happen to you wouldn't you do anything in your power to avoid being screwed like this?
BTW The Drumhead: All the Accusations agaisnt him remind me of this scene.
elias49
(4,259 posts)Pretty much like 3-year-olds.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Anti Castro, pro Clinton, hate PUTIN, love Wall Street...