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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:45 PM Aug 2015

Hillary Clinton swears: I turned over all my required e-mails

Source: Washington Post

By Rosalind S. Helderman August 10 at 3:30 PM

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton, facing questions over her use of a private e-mail system while secretary of state, signed a statement over the weekend declaring “under penalty of perjury” that she has turned over to the government all of the e-mails that were federal records.

The statement, submitted Monday by the State Department to a federal court, matches what she and her campaign have been saying for months about her exclusive use of a private e-mail account and server to conduct public business.

But it comes as Republicans have charged that Clinton might have withheld some correspondence that should have been part of the public record.

Clinton’s e-mail practices have also drawn scrutiny in recent days from the FBI, which is examining the security of the setup in the wake of a finding by government officials that classified material was sent through the system. Officials have said Clinton is not a target.

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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-swears-i-turned-over-all-my-required-e-mails/2015/08/10/36084f6a-3f8c-11e5-bfe3-ff1d8549bfd2_story.html?

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Hillary Clinton swears: I turned over all my required e-mails (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2015 OP
I hope this is true that Clinton turned over her emails. The more this story is out, NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #1
It would not matter either way. salib Aug 2015 #3
Of all people ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #5
The problem is she asked for this, didn't she know the Republicans would question this? A Simple Game Aug 2015 #6
" " " " n/t MBS Aug 2015 #9
Of course she knew the Republicans would question it. candelista Aug 2015 #13
Good point and probably true. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #17
She did not ask for anything of the sort. salib Aug 2015 #20
Think what you want but I will say you don't give your enemies ammunition. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #21
She made the vast right conspiracy remark to Lauer about something that was 100% true, merrily Aug 2015 #22
Joe Scarborough said several times this morning "the emails", the GOP is still hoping something will Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #2
Something already has turned up, and you know it. candelista Aug 2015 #14
The complete story has not been revealed. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #16
And may never be. merrily Aug 2015 #23
. Purveyor Aug 2015 #4
Ms. Helderman of the Washington Post seems not to know how to headline a sworn deposition. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #7
uh, Fred - editors write the headlines, not reporters. Divernan Aug 2015 #10
Kind of, uh, missing the point? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #11
Sometimes, it's layout merrily Aug 2015 #24
This statement is CYA legalese, plain and simple. Divernan Aug 2015 #8
Because Sanders can not stand on his own, is what you are saying? So attack others..got it! Sad. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #12
You're the only 1 to mention Sanders on this thread. Divernan Aug 2015 #18
When in doubt, attack Sanders and/or his supporters. merrily Aug 2015 #30
LOL! Sanders is doing fine and he has not once attacked Hillary. merrily Aug 2015 #25
Confused.....word. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #26
Implying I'm the one who is confused doesn't refute a single allegation about Hillary, either. merrily Aug 2015 #29
You nailed it ShrimpPoboy Aug 2015 #15
Thanks and welcome to DU Divernan Aug 2015 #19
Welcome to DU. And now, I want someone to bring me a shrimp po boy. merrily Aug 2015 #27
OK - What Was Not Turned Over - Time To Come Clean HRC cantbeserious Aug 2015 #28
 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
1. I hope this is true that Clinton turned over her emails. The more this story is out,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:57 PM
Aug 2015

the more people view her as "secretive, corporatist, etc". She needs to re-focus her campaign on the important issues, such as health care, jobs, education, national security, etc.

salib

(2,116 posts)
3. It would not matter either way.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:06 PM
Aug 2015

This is perpetual attack, and will NEVER stop. They will protest her presidential library with Benghazi chants.

Do not feed the trolls.

ShrimpPoboy

(301 posts)
5. Of all people
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:53 PM
Aug 2015

You would think Clinton supporters would learn not to count their chickens too early...

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
6. The problem is she asked for this, didn't she know the Republicans would question this?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 09:12 PM
Aug 2015

Did she forget about the vast right wing conspiracy already? They question everything she does, why should anyone think this would be an exception?

She should have put her arrogance aside and let the government sort the emails not her staff. She could then claim there were no conflicts or withheld emails.

But a really wise person would have used the government system in the first place.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
13. Of course she knew the Republicans would question it.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:15 AM
Aug 2015

That just shows how important it was to her to get rid of the emails. The emails must have contained things that the Republicans would question even more.

salib

(2,116 posts)
20. She did not ask for anything of the sort.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:38 PM
Aug 2015

They are going after her no matter what, and for anything. If it sticks, they go after her again. If it wears off, they move on.

Nothing more.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
21. Think what you want but I will say you don't give your enemies ammunition.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:53 PM
Aug 2015

She was being egotistical or stupid, I see no other choices.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
22. She made the vast right conspiracy remark to Lauer about something that was 100% true,
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:00 AM
Aug 2015

namely that her husband had messed around with Lewinsky.

When Lauer asked her about the Lewinsky stuff, she replied that her husband had woken her up and said, "You'll never guess what they're saying now." Lauer asked who "they" was and her reply to Lauer cited the vast right wing conspiracy.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Joe Scarborough said several times this morning "the emails", the GOP is still hoping something will
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:04 PM
Aug 2015

Turn up but the GOP still does not have anyone who can step up to run against Hillary. The GOP waste more money running after hot air. Maybe the GOP should change their platform in order to get more votes. They are Ra.ping up the war on immigrated and women, it is not helping to secure votes.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
14. Something already has turned up, and you know it.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:18 AM
Aug 2015

Four out of a randomly selected forty emails that she turned over were classified. Those are ones that she turned over, after getting rid of almost half of the rest.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Ms. Helderman of the Washington Post seems not to know how to headline a sworn deposition.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:09 PM
Aug 2015

"Clinton Sworn Depostion: All Emails Disclosed".....just does not have the required dose of gratuitous mockery that the headline editors wanted.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
8. This statement is CYA legalese, plain and simple.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:07 AM
Aug 2015

The slick and slippery language of this statement gives her multiple escape routes should any damning emails come to light, having been buried like needles in the haystack of the 55,000 page document dump released by her lawyer, or supplied by other parties to those emails (sent to/sent from/cc'd). I have little doubt that such emails have been collected by the GOP, awaiting release should she win the Dem. primary.

(Full disclosure - I'm an attorney who spent decades parsing the exact meanings of language in legal documents, and teaching Legal Writing to law students.)

"While I do not know what information may be responsive for purposes of this lawsuit, I have directed that all my emails on clintonmail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done."

If one will merely click on the article's link to Ms. Clinton's declaration, one will observe that Ms. Clinton does not declare that "she has turned over to the government all of the e-mails
that were federal records," as Ms. Heldermann suggests, but instead merely asserts that Ms. Clinton has directed that those e-mails be produced and that she believes that they have been -- of course, only after equivocating that she's not sure which e-mails are considered "responsive."

Disclaimer 1: she does not know what information may be responsive

Disclaimer 2: she directed others to do it - By stating that "she directed", she covers her ass if damaging/"missing" emails later come to light - well it wasn't her fault if an employee failed to follow her directive, you see.

Disclaimer 3: "in my custody" does not specify an exact time, i.e, she does not state EVER in my custody, or "in my custody" on a date certain, implying that some USED to be in her custody, but may have been deleted before her most recent email purge

Disclaimer 4: "information and belief". A standard qualifier used to protect clients from perjury charges.
information and belief
n. a phrase often used in legal pleadings (complaints and answers in a lawsuit), declarations under penalty of perjury, and affidavits under oath, in which the person making the statement or allegation qualifies it. In effect, he/she says: "I am only stating what I have been told, and I believe it." This makes clear about which statements he/she does not have sure-fire, personal knowledge (perhaps it is just hearsay or surmise), and protects the maker of the statement from claims of outright falsehood or perjury. The typical phraseology is: "Plaintiff is informed and believes, and upon such information and belief alleges that defendant diverted the funds to his own use." (See: declaration, affidavit, complaint, answer, perjury)


Ah, the great Clintonian tradition of "it depends on what the meaning of "is" is, lives on. HRC, going down in the history books as The Great Equivocator

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
18. You're the only 1 to mention Sanders on this thread.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:13 AM
Aug 2015

And really, your comment is hysterically funny, since Bernie has just "stood on his own" and spoken extemporaneously in front of some 100,000 people on the West Coast this weekend.

Absent Sanders or any others running in the Dem. primary, HRC is so, so vulnerable to GOP attacks. Not just because of the personal email server and her actions thereon, but her actions as SOS vis-a-vis Clinton Foundation donations from foreign governments, etc. And filing this statement with federal court is evidence that she herself expects more problematic emails to surface, so is trying to insulate herself from responsibility for unilaterally and arbitrarily deleting them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
25. LOL! Sanders is doing fine and he has not once attacked Hillary.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
Aug 2015

You're confusing what happens on DU with reality.

Speaking of what happens on DU, though, attempting to smeari Sanders falsely does not refute a single allegation as to Hillary.

ShrimpPoboy

(301 posts)
15. You nailed it
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:34 AM
Aug 2015

I was going to follow up with a reference to "is" but you beat me to it.

I know a lot of folks here don't think any of this matters but the Clintons have a real trust problem. It's a major reason I can't bring myself to support her in the primaries. And stories like these only emphasize that problem.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
19. Thanks and welcome to DU
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:15 AM
Aug 2015

Hope you have an industrial strength seat belt and keep it fastened, because it's going to be a very rough ride here until the primary is decided. I was going to say, until HRC loses enough state presidential primaries to know she has no chance at the nomination, and therefore graciously drops out. But last time around, she hung in after it was hopeless - purely as a spoiler for Obama's campaign.

And as you see in this thread, although there was not a single reference to or mention of Bernie Sanders, one of Hillary's supporters, unable to mount any defense of HRC, makes some off the wall reference to Bernie "not being able to stand on his own." That's what passes for "debate" w/ HRC supporters.

So thank you for your comment.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. Welcome to DU. And now, I want someone to bring me a shrimp po boy.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:09 AM
Aug 2015

Damn my food cravings to hell anyway!

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