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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:10 PM Aug 2015

Bernie Sanders’s ambassador to black voters hits the ground running

Source: Washington Post

By Sunday evening, Portland, Ore., fans of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) had watched their candidate be shamed off a stage by activists who claimed to represent the #BlackLivesMatter movement. There were more rumors, about more protests by people who believed Sanders did not "center black lives" in his presidential campaign. But the 28,000 progressives who'd filled the Moda Center had their nerves calmed by a 25-year-old black woman.

"My name is Symone Sanders," she said, to applause. "I am joining the campaign this week as the national press secretary." More applause. "I have some good information that says there might be a little disruption tonight. So: I wanna be very clear. This campaign is about bringing people together. If there happens to be a disruption tonight, I want everyone in this stadium to respond with a chant."

Symone Sanders led the crowd in a dry run: "We! Stand! Together!" As more Bernie Sanders (no relation) supporters talked about uniting the left, and about "a climate justice movement that works for racial and global economic justice," Symone Sanders stayed onstage. This was not her first time in a room full of people screaming for a president.


The rise of Symone Sanders is a blessing for an insurgent campaign that keeps getting interrupted by activists crying out for racial justice. Just weeks ago, after protesters disrupted Bernie Sanders's Q&A at the progressive Netroots Nation conference, some mocked the candidate by joking about his civil rights cred with the tag #BerniesSoBlack. Nobody's going to try that with Symone Sanders, who left the Campaign for Juvenile Justice for this role. People who've worked with her describe a smart, ambitious progressive who's been engaged in politics since she was a teenager growing up in Omaha. In 2006, a 16-year-old Sanders learned that Bill Clinton would be addressing a year-end fundraiser for Girls Inc., a nonprofit that trains young women to be confident and skilled. Sanders, a Girls Inc. member, told executive director Roberta Wilhelm that she needed to be the one introducing Clinton onstage.

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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/10/bernie-sanderss-ambassador-to-black-voters-hits-the-ground-running/

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Bernie Sanders’s ambassador to black voters hits the ground running (Original Post) jpak Aug 2015 OP
Trolls are going to have an increasingly difficult time pushing the "racist" meme. arcane1 Aug 2015 #1
It's already started. SoapBox Aug 2015 #7
They seem to be leaning towards "She's just a mere token, and too stupid to realize it" arcane1 Aug 2015 #10
Look downthread. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #26
It's almost as if actual black lives are secondary, and attacking a specific candidate comes first. arcane1 Aug 2015 #30
You might be surprised Supersedeas Aug 2015 #36
Her first diplomatic effort didn't meet with universal acclaim. MADem Aug 2015 #2
Here's the author on Symone Sanders wondered how long it'd be till the denigration began azurnoir Aug 2015 #5
OMG--the cluelessness in the responses to Jamil Smith is fucking epic, as the kids say. MADem Aug 2015 #8
and? He denigrated Symone Sanders don't really care about the response to that azurnoir Aug 2015 #11
He didn't denigrate her--he pointed out that the campaign was tone deaf to expect MADem Aug 2015 #13
Lol and the hits keepa comin -THANK YOU azurnoir Aug 2015 #15
The tweet is a quote from the article. It's not excuses, you're not getting it. MADem Aug 2015 #16
The problem is I do indeed "get it" and it is entirely 101% predictable azurnoir Aug 2015 #17
You really don't get it. Read the article. It is very good. kwassa Aug 2015 #18
I read the article and as I stated it was 101% predictable azurnoir Aug 2015 #19
You didn't read it. kwassa Aug 2015 #20
Lol yes I did I read it when it was posted in the AA group as a comment azurnoir Aug 2015 #22
Some clever nonsense that tk2kewl Aug 2015 #12
note to WaPo... tk2kewl Aug 2015 #3
The asshats want to frame him as weak when he was in full command snagglepuss Aug 2015 #4
Exactly. BLM was hoping for a physical confrontation or shout fest. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #27
Exactly! SoapBox Aug 2015 #6
Good luck with that, Symone! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #9
She's good! passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #14
Is she a "token"? ProgressiveEconomist Aug 2015 #21
No, not a majority. While AAs are an important part of the Democratic Party... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #28
I didn't intend to imply POC ProgressiveEconomist Aug 2015 #31
Calling them "tokens" is an insult to their intelligence. You should be ashamed of yourself. arcane1 Aug 2015 #29
Had you ever heard of Symone ProgressiveEconomist Aug 2015 #32
She's the only candidate's press secretary whose name I know. How many can you name? arcane1 Aug 2015 #33
Off the top of my head, only ProgressiveEconomist Aug 2015 #34
Of course she'll have to, she's competing against a white guy who was secretary in the 60's n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #35
She is his ambassador to all voters. fbc Aug 2015 #23
You are correct TM99 Aug 2015 #24
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #25
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. Trolls are going to have an increasingly difficult time pushing the "racist" meme.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:16 PM
Aug 2015

I wonder what "plan B" is. Though it's more like "plan Z" at this point.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. It's already started.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:00 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie, his campaign, his supporters nor Symone...

Will be able to say or do anything correct...period.

This has become some kind of a scheme and scam...and is using those killed a tools, for whatever their agenda is....they want, what they want (whatever the hell that is) and that is all they know...screw anyone and everyone else in the entire WORLD!

And that...is disgusting and disgraceful.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. They seem to be leaning towards "She's just a mere token, and too stupid to realize it"
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:07 PM
Aug 2015

But I don't see that getting very far

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Look downthread.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:45 PM
Aug 2015

Plan B is to proclaim that he's just using blacks as 'tokens', and giving lip service to their needs, and doesn't actually care about anything beyond winning their votes.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. It's almost as if actual black lives are secondary, and attacking a specific candidate comes first.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:24 PM
Aug 2015

No, that can't be it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Her first diplomatic effort didn't meet with universal acclaim.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:26 PM
Aug 2015

The writer is not just "some guy," he's a newly hired senior editor hired to restore the cred of the reeling TNR; he is black, he's well versed on black and women's issues (he is a fan of the "rising tide lifts all boats" school of activism) and he recently used to work as a producer at MSNBC for Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris-Perry, FWIW:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem


#BlackLivesMatter Protesters Are Not the Problem
One year after Michael Brown's death, both liberals and conservatives are still getting it wrong[/b

....Sanders, given to touting his record of working for civil rights and uttering names like Sandra Bland since the Netroots incident, experienced a second interruption during a planned event in Seattle on Saturday. Two women and one man claiming affiliation with #BlackLivesMatter disrupted the event before the Vermont senator could speak. Some Sanders backers in the crowd booed when they were told that one of the women, Marissa Johnson, would get her say before the candidate. “Bernie, you were confronted at Netroots at by black women," Johnson said before adding, "you have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like O’Malley did."

Having already responded to the crowd’s boos by telling them that they proved how “racist” the reputably liberal Seattle is, Johnson also called for a four-and-one-half minute-long moment of silence for Brown. Instead, more shouting from the crowd followed, including, per reports, shouts of “arrest her.” Sanders, rather than letting the protesters have their say and responding, left the stage. The event concluded without him speaking. A chorus of his supporters took to social media to question Johnson’s tactics—as if that’s what mattered most—and to tell anyone who dared question why Sanders didn’t have a set of racial-justice proposals that they somehow already existed. They were wrong.

A page entitled “Racial Justice” only appeared on his site early Sunday morning, containing a long list of proposals. A campaign representative reached out to me to say that those proposals, in the works for the three weeks since Netroots, were derived from a speech that’s been on the site since July 25. Given the pressure being put on them and the urgency they showed in creating the platform, it’s odd that the campaign put it online, essentially, under the cover of darkness.

The policies on Sanders’s racial justice page, while surely more welcome than none at all, are undeniably blurrier than those O’Malley put forth, and need considerably more specificity and clarity. There’s a lot of the typically forcefully liberal language Sanders likes to employ in order to inspire, but it seems even more fanciful than the O’Malley plan. But those ideas are certainly signs that he is hearing #BlackLivesMatter’s message. The problem isn’t so much him as it is his supporters, cursing protesters and later, on social media, touting their guy’s record whenever they are challenged on his (heretofore) lack of a platform regarding structural racism. They continue to misunderstand the primary goals of the #BlackLivesMatter protest actions, as have been clearly stated: Firm policy proposals, not rhetoric. Black voters have moved past "hope and change.” And hiring Symone Sanders, a black woman, as his press secretary—as the Sanders campaign announced hours after the protest—can't be expected to mollify the movement. #BlackLivesMatter wants policies for black people, not black people for his policies.....Forget the White House for a moment; Sanders acolytes insist upon nominating their candidate first as an ally for black people. They act insulted that they are not trusted to recommend their candidate as the top advocate for black liberation in the presidential race. Yet, they and the campaign spend time devising tone-deaf chants ("We Stand Together&quot to drown out any future protesters, as Ms. Sanders announced during a Sunday night event in Portland. I'm not against criticizing activist tactics, but the idea that #BlackLivesMatter protesters are hurting their cause by challenging candidates, even those considered allies, is based in the notion that the burden of making change is on them. It isn't. Too many Sanders supporters appear to be caught up in their feelings when a protester rubs them the wrong way. They ask, why are the protesters so rude, or annoying, or targeting the “wrong guy”?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. Here's the author on Symone Sanders wondered how long it'd be till the denigration began
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:47 PM
Aug 2015

Jamil Smith ?@JamilSmith Aug 8
I thought #BlackLivesMatter wants @BernieSanders to have policies for black people, not black people for his policies. He got it backwards.
58 retweets 97 favorites
Reply Retweet 58 Favorite 97

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/630244567741284352

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. and? He denigrated Symone Sanders don't really care about the response to that
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:30 PM
Aug 2015

of course though when looking to distract I guess any port will do

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. He didn't denigrate her--he pointed out that the campaign was tone deaf to expect
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:55 PM
Aug 2015

that first, black faces (or, more to the point, a single black face coming over from Ralph Nader's camp) would substitute for policies benefitting black people, and second, that it was a DUMB idea for her to stand up there and tell 25K people that if any of those black people DARE to stand up and protest, everyone in that massively caucasian audience has to get up on their feet and SCREAM at them!

You do realize his tweets had to do with his TNR article--they aren't stand-alone. That was a QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE--you should read it. It's good. The four paragraphs above do not do it justice.

It's a non-starter to trash this guy--he has a great resume. Worked as an MSNBC producer for Maddow and M. Harris-Perry, is senior editor now at TNR working to rebrand that franchise, is skilled in topics re: race and gender--he didn't just fall out the bus door from the country.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. Lol and the hits keepa comin -THANK YOU
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:57 PM
Aug 2015

excuses excuses excuses - he denigrated a Black woman because she works for Sanders-it was nothing else but predictable

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. The tweet is a quote from the article. It's not excuses, you're not getting it.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:04 PM
Aug 2015
Since you missed it the first time....


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem

The policies on Sanders’s racial justice page, while surely more welcome than none at all, are undeniably blurrier than those O’Malley put forth, and need considerably more specificity and clarity. There’s a lot of the typically forcefully liberal language Sanders likes to employ in order to inspire, but it seems even more fanciful than the O’Malley plan. But those ideas are certainly signs that he is hearing #BlackLivesMatter’s message. The problem isn’t so much him as it is his supporters, cursing protesters and later, on social media, touting their guy’s record whenever they are challenged on his (heretofore) lack of a platform regarding structural racism. They continue to misunderstand the primary goals of the #BlackLivesMatter protest actions, as have been clearly stated: Firm policy proposals, not rhetoric. Black voters have moved past "hope and change.” And hiring Symone Sanders, a black woman, as his press secretary—as the Sanders campaign announced hours after the protest—can't be expected to mollify the movement. #BlackLivesMatter wants policies for black people, not black people for his policies.



azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. Lol yes I did I read it when it was posted in the AA group as a comment
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:49 PM
Aug 2015

I thought it particularly 'rich' when he attempted to equate Bernie Sanders supporters with Ben Carson's

now lets hear from Ms Sanders

"A year ago today, Officer Darren Wilson shot and killed Michael Brown and left his body lying in the street for four and a half hours," she said in Portland. "Following Michael Brown’s death, protesters and activists took to the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, and they stayed in the streets for 365 days, galvanizing young people to do the same. A year ago today, young people in America today were galvanized to say that these killings must end."

She read the names of black people killed in encounters with police officers -- then came then turn. "It is important that we say Black Lives Matter, but it is also important that we have people in political offices who will turn those words into action," she said. Racial justice meant not just sitting at the same table as power, but "owning the establishment," as Martin Luther King had said. Quotes that could set off protesters when Bernie Sanders used them were pure applause lines when coming out of the mouth of Symone Sanders.

"When you look into your hearts, deep into your hearts, you know which candidate for president will shut down the private prison industry, mandatory minimums, the death penalty," said Symone Sanders. "You know which candidate will have alternatives to incarceration for nonviolent offenders, and which candidate will really use his justice department to protect black lives.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
4. The asshats want to frame him as weak when he was in full command
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:45 PM
Aug 2015

by doing exactly the opposite of what BML expected him to do by their provocation which was to have him filmed and photographed having an angry meltdown. His deadpan reaction gave them nothing to to use against him.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. Exactly. BLM was hoping for a physical confrontation or shout fest.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie denied them their goal. Smart move.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
6. Exactly!
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:55 PM
Aug 2015

First thing I spotted!

And...so what's the story with the trouble makers...yes or no, are they officially with Black Lives Matter?!?!

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
21. Is she a "token"?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 07:44 PM
Aug 2015

I agree with most all Bernie's positions on issues, and regard BLM disruptions of Democratic Party events with great suspicion. But IMO Bernie and Bernie's supporters are revealing a fundamental campaign weakness with their reactive high elevation of this unknown woman.

People of color are the MAJORITY of Democratic voters on whom Democratic victory next year depends. Mitt Romney took even the youth vote among Caucasians.

Bernie comes from a place where POC are sparse. To actually get to the Oval Office, he must shed the image of a Vermont white counterculture protest candidate. Unless he has in mind Bush-like pointing to tokens (Condi) whenever race issues crop up.

Where are Bernie's high-profile meetings with well-known politicians and organizations who represent POC? Appointing a few unknown "tokens" ís no substitute for that kind of difficult coalition-building, and IMO ís likely to get in its way.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
31. I didn't intend to imply POC
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:32 PM
Aug 2015

are a majority of the Democratic Party. You are correct to point out that the majority of DP voters in 2012 were white non-Hispanic. But WNH Democrats were only 39 percent of the WNH vote. Mitt Romney won that vote by 19 percentage points. No Democrat has won that vote since LBJ.

In contrast, President Obama took 93 percent of the AS vote and more than 70 percent of Hispanics and Asians.

Clearly Democratic victory next year depends crucially on engaging and exciting POC, not excluding, scapegoating, or tokenizing them for a white counterculture.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
29. Calling them "tokens" is an insult to their intelligence. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

Keep moving those goal posts, you're still losing!

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
32. Had you ever heard of Symone
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 06:42 PM
Aug 2015

Sanders before last week? How many voters does she bring along to her namesake?

If you are hiring a token POC to make your virtually all-white organization feel less embarrassed, then just about any POC will do.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
34. Off the top of my head, only
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:38 PM
Aug 2015

one--Bill Moyers who IIRC was LBJ's. It may turn out that SS contributes as much to progressive politics as Bill Moyers, but she'll have to convince me.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
23. She is his ambassador to all voters.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:02 PM
Aug 2015

As I understand it, she is his National Press Secretary. She isn't his national press secretary for black people.

I think that headline is kind of demeaning to reduce her position like that.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
24. You are correct
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:35 AM
Aug 2015

and the MSM will continue to post bullshit headlines like this to stir the shit. With them on one side and asshats like the author of the hit-piece referenced above on the other, it is hard not to see all of this as just the political machine and Kabuki theater in action as usual!

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