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brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:24 PM Aug 2015

James Holmes sentenced to life in prison in the Aurora theater shooting

Source: Denver Post

CENTENNIAL — James Holmes will spend the rest of his life in a prison cell instead of dying in an execution chamber, jurors in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial decided Friday.

After deliberating for less than seven hours over two days, the jury of nine women and three men failed to unanimously agree that death is the appropriate punishment. The disagreement means Judge Carlos Samour Jr. will sentence Holmes to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the murders of 12 people at the Century Aurora 16 theater three years ago.

The last time a Colorado jury returned a death sentence was more than six years ago.

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting-trial/ci_28601756/aurora-theater-shooting-jurors-begin-watching-gory-video

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James Holmes sentenced to life in prison in the Aurora theater shooting (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2015 OP
Good. Thank you for the news. dangerous dan Aug 2015 #1
Not Pueblo. El Supremo Aug 2015 #9
I have a bit of an insider information dangerous dan Aug 2015 #11
Hopefully you're right. El Supremo Aug 2015 #13
That looks right from what we heard TBF Aug 2015 #36
I'd like to thank the jurors for their service The Second Stone Aug 2015 #2
That is good news, and I'm sure his parents are relieved beyond words. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2015 #3
While I support the DP... MicaelS Aug 2015 #4
Surprising tammywammy Aug 2015 #5
It'll be interesting to see how the families of the shooting victims respond (n/t) derby378 Aug 2015 #6
The same parents that lost their lawsuit against Bushmaster dangerous dan Aug 2015 #8
One grandfather is saying it was a jury plant. El Supremo Aug 2015 #14
I expected it. He is clearly acutely mentally ill. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #15
He is mentally ill. One look tells you that. gvstn Aug 2015 #35
Works for me Doctor_J Aug 2015 #7
the jury made the right decision. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #10
death penelty would have been getting off too easy HFRN Aug 2015 #12
Richard Speck adapted to it quite well exboyfil Aug 2015 #19
Usually it takes 20 years to zap the bastard, Lucky Luciano Aug 2015 #24
Thank Goodness! n/t Coventina Aug 2015 #16
Relieved and surprised curlyred Aug 2015 #17
No, most mass murderers are sane and know exactly what they are doing. RBInMaine Aug 2015 #22
Who did James Holmes plan on punishing? postatomic Aug 2015 #26
Your lack of paragraphs makes this hard to read but... El Supremo Aug 2015 #28
I am opposed to Life Without Parole as well as the death Penalty maxsolomon Aug 2015 #18
Well, he was with it enough to plan meticulously for this including booby trapping his apt. RBInMaine Aug 2015 #21
No, most know just what they are doing and shouldn't see the light of day ever again. RBInMaine Aug 2015 #23
Most Schizophrenics know what they are doing? maxsolomon Aug 2015 #40
Since he wasn't killed at the scene, christx30 Aug 2015 #38
I'd say put him in a hospital, like Hinkley or Chapman maxsolomon Aug 2015 #39
He should be in prison as long christx30 Aug 2015 #41
The quality of mercy is not strained maxsolomon Aug 2015 #42
Supermax? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2015 #20
That's the Feds. El Supremo Aug 2015 #27
The Defense had this offer on the table postatomic Aug 2015 #25
I heard it reported completely differently on local RW radio underpants Aug 2015 #29
Are they still blaming it on Hillary? Hoppy Aug 2015 #30
Benghazi! dbackjon Aug 2015 #46
That ended up being the best verdict that could be given davidpdx Aug 2015 #31
Very sad that prisons are now our de facto Mental Institutions maxsolomon Aug 2015 #43
I agree that rehabilitation should be the goal in most cases for most of those convicted of a crime davidpdx Aug 2015 #44
Good. No to the death penalty. Yes to rock-hard punishment. Aristus Aug 2015 #32
He should be in a hospital. The whole thing is a farce. alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #33
I'm glad this nut won't be casting a shadow over a death penalty repeal in Colorado Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2015 #34
sometimes a jury makes a decision I'm satisified with. Sunlei Aug 2015 #37
He's one sick fuck. . . BigDemVoter Aug 2015 #45

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
9. Not Pueblo.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:41 PM
Aug 2015

That's the state hospital were he would go if found not guilty by reason of insanity.

Moe likely Cañon City, Florence or Sterling.

TBF

(32,090 posts)
36. That looks right from what we heard
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:02 AM
Aug 2015

in the press. I only favor the death penalty in very extreme cases (Timothy McVeigh type). This looks like the right setting for Holmes.

 

dangerous dan

(15 posts)
8. The same parents that lost their lawsuit against Bushmaster
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:37 PM
Aug 2015

tweeted (and I'm paraphrasing) that "they were disappointed at the prosecutor. The defense attorney made a plea offer of LWP, and the DA turned it down"

The Arapahoe County DA was doing it for political ambition - fortunately the Republican can't get any ambition going.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
15. I expected it. He is clearly acutely mentally ill.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:22 PM
Aug 2015

He didn't fit the legal definition of innocence due to insanity, but executing this man would be an aberration of justice.

The jury did the right thing. Juries often do.

I hope they will be able to recover from what must have been a harrowing experience.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
35. He is mentally ill. One look tells you that.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:35 AM
Aug 2015

The jury did the right thing. I hope he gets the medical help he clearly needs. Killing him would not have been the right thing to do.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
12. death penelty would have been getting off too easy
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:55 PM
Aug 2015

stick in the needle - sleepy time

instead, he will spend perhaps the next 60 years waking up to the same old same old

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
24. Usually it takes 20 years to zap the bastard,
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:52 PM
Aug 2015

So they do a lot of hard time __and then__ they get the needle.

curlyred

(1,879 posts)
17. Relieved and surprised
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:26 PM
Aug 2015

With a bloodthirsty prosecutor and a frenzied Denver media, I am surprised. But relieved: anyone committing a mass murder of strangers like this is obviously insane. As a society we should not kill those who are less than whole.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
22. No, most mass murderers are sane and know exactly what they are doing.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:34 PM
Aug 2015

Most mass murderers do the mass murder (crimes like this guy "going postal&quot because of a combination of loss, frustration, and isolation. They are not "crazy". Some, though, do have larger mental health issues. But most know just what they are doing and know it is wrong, immoral, horrible, and illegal. They do it because they are out to "punish". This guy's behavior was entirely pre-planned. Very meticulous planning, including the careful booby trapping of his apartment. No one entirely out of reality plans like that. Not saying he doesn't have mental health problems, but he should never see the light of day again. The man PLANNED to walk into a movie theater, dressed and well armed for this, and senselessly murdered many innocent people. Again, is was THOROUGHLY PLANNED. He was frustrated, angry, isolated, a loner, and wanted to "punish" society, which is the motive of many of these kinds of murderers. And then think of Lee Harvey Oswald and his type of crime. Yes, he had some mental health issues. But he meticulously planned his crime because he wanted to "punish" America. Think of OJ Simpson. He did his murders because he was obsessed with his ex wife, wanted to control her, and wanted to "punish" her for "humiliating" him. He was ANGRY. With most serial killers, they are very planned in how they operate, meticulous, know just what they are doing, and they do it because they ENJOY it. Often it is connected to a wild desire for power, control, and sexual domination, all intertwined. They love the hunt. Ted Bundy murdered somewhere around 30 women. Was he crazy? He most likely had certain disturbances, but he knew just what he was doing and enjoyed it. And when they fried him, GOOD.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
28. Your lack of paragraphs makes this hard to read but...
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:17 PM
Aug 2015

from what I can understand you are totally wrong.

Where have you read that he wanted to "punish" anyone. He himself said that he wanted to increase his "self worth". A totally non-understandable reason coming from a delusional person.

maxsolomon

(33,398 posts)
18. I am opposed to Life Without Parole as well as the death Penalty
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:33 PM
Aug 2015

He's Schizophrenic. What does L w/o P accomplish in his case, other than vengeance?

Does it deter other Schizophrenics from acquiring semi-automatic weapons and committing similar atrocities? They are DELUSIONAL; punishment won't enter into their mental calculus.

I'd rather he'd been killed at the scene.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
21. Well, he was with it enough to plan meticulously for this including booby trapping his apt.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:23 PM
Aug 2015

It took tremendous aforethought and planning. Not to say he isn't nuts, but he's a smart and well-planned nut.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
23. No, most know just what they are doing and shouldn't see the light of day ever again.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
Aug 2015

Tell it to the victims and their families.

maxsolomon

(33,398 posts)
40. Most Schizophrenics know what they are doing?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

Are they making rational decisions? I had always thought they were delusional and mentally ill.

I'll be glad to tell the victims and their families that the mentally ill don't deserve life in prison without possibility of parole. Give them the possibility of parole in 40, 50 years.

Even that asshole Brevik only got 21 years (albeit with the ability to extend his incarceration as long as deemed necessary).

christx30

(6,241 posts)
38. Since he wasn't killed at the scene,
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:45 AM
Aug 2015

what would you suggest? Let him go? Put him in a hospital?
He's too crazy to really do anything with. There is nothing worthwhile there at that.

Just put him somewhere where he can't hurt anyone. Keep him there until he dies. Don't give him any access to outside communication. Don't let him inspire anyone. When he does die, put a 20 second bit on the late news. Don't show him as a strong young man, just as what 10 or 20 years in a supermax can do to you.

maxsolomon

(33,398 posts)
39. I'd say put him in a hospital, like Hinkley or Chapman
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:05 PM
Aug 2015

don't let him out for decades. maybe when he's 80.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
41. He should be in prison as long
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:49 PM
Aug 2015

as victims remain dead. His insanity didn't help his victims. It shouldn't help him.

maxsolomon

(33,398 posts)
42. The quality of mercy is not strained
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:16 PM
Aug 2015

It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
‘T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy seasons justice.

What you want is Vengeance. That should not be the goal of Justice.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
25. The Defense had this offer on the table
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:04 PM
Aug 2015

Before the Trials began. The DA refused. The Defense said he'd plead guilty for Life in Prison. Could have saved the County a ton of money and the jurors a ton of emotional testimony had the ego of the DA had not been in play here.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
31. That ended up being the best verdict that could be given
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:19 PM
Aug 2015

I'm opposed to the DP and glad he got life without parole. Hopefully he gets some help in prison.

maxsolomon

(33,398 posts)
43. Very sad that prisons are now our de facto Mental Institutions
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:32 PM
Aug 2015

Their mission is rehabilitation and punishment, not treatment.

He would get "help" in a mental institution, like Chapman and Hinkley do.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
44. I agree that rehabilitation should be the goal in most cases for most of those convicted of a crime
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

Given the severity of Holmes crimes he should never be released from prison. That doesn't preclude him from getting some help.

Holmes had the chance to plead insanity and failed. Chapman attempted to and changed his mind at the last minute. Hinckley was able to prove insanity. The three situations were different.

Aristus

(66,452 posts)
32. Good. No to the death penalty. Yes to rock-hard punishment.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:50 PM
Aug 2015

I don't believe this guy is insane. Except in the over-arching sense that anyone who murders another human being is insane.

What I mean is: I refuse to believe that he isn't responsible for his actions. As has been pointed out above, he planned this very meticulously. The complicated booby-traps he set in his apartment are a sharp declaration that he knew what he was about to do was wrong.

Several people have said they hope he gets mental health help in prison, and I can understand that hope. I just don't know what good it would do. He's never getting out. He will never heal into the kind of person society needs him to be.

He wasted his life. And he was selfish enough to waste twelve others first.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
34. I'm glad this nut won't be casting a shadow over a death penalty repeal in Colorado
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 12:16 AM
Aug 2015

I'm surprised but pleased by the outcome.

BigDemVoter

(4,156 posts)
45. He's one sick fuck. . .
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:24 PM
Aug 2015

And life in a hospital for the criminally insane would have been more appropriate.

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