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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 03:34 PM Aug 2015

The Whole World Pretty Much Despises Putin and Russia, Survey Finds [Infographic]

Source: Huffington Post

Russian President Vladimir Putin isn't winning any popularity contests, at least not outside his country.

According to a Pew Research Center survey released Wednesday, both Russia and its leader are held in low regard around the world. The poll, which surveyed 45,435 respondents from 39 countries, found that a median of only 30 percent view Russia favorably, while a median of just 24 percent have faith in Putin to "do the right thing regarding world affairs."

The strongest opposition to Putin is in Spain, where 92 percent of respondents said they had no confidence in his handling of world issues. Poland, France and Ukraine are also very critical of the Russian president. In the U.S. 75 percent of respondents view Putin unfavorably.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/putin-pew-survey_55c24a3ce4b0d9b28f052607



Putin's got China, Vietnam and Ghana on his side. Maybe North Korea too, if they allowed opinion polls.
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The Whole World Pretty Much Despises Putin and Russia, Survey Finds [Infographic] (Original Post) uhnope Aug 2015 OP
MH17 SansACause Aug 2015 #1
Careful, comrade. That might make you target of polonium missile. erronis Aug 2015 #15
I think this may help define the limits on the power of Internet Trollery. TygrBright Aug 2015 #2
Ugh. That just makes me not want any more Putinesqua sauce. erronis Aug 2015 #16
Capers. Igel Aug 2015 #30
Yeah - I knew but always like to hear it repeated erronis Aug 2015 #31
Less popular in Venezuela than in the US! geek tragedy Aug 2015 #3
AMERICAN PROPAGANDA! randome Aug 2015 #4
Well, this is what happens when your "Internet Troll Army" misses a paycheck. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #5
or conversely that corporate media still has some chops yurbud Aug 2015 #87
35 countries isn't close to the whole wold FarrenH Aug 2015 #6
You mean Jordan has 6 Million right? n/t cosmicone Aug 2015 #12
Oops, yes. Thanks for the correction FarrenH Aug 2015 #13
Those 35 countries constitute 82% of the world's population and over 91% of its industrial output LanternWaste Aug 2015 #19
By contrast...... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #7
Compelling graph MBS Aug 2015 #33
I couldn't agree more. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #47
Strong support among the GOP dbackjon Aug 2015 #8
Hmmm, pluralities in Ethopia, Tanzania, Ghana, Nigeria, Vietnam, India, China, Philippines.... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #9
I wonder how the US would fare. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #10
Like, duh? Sure, isn't he that guy on Breakin Bad? erronis Aug 2015 #17
"Its image trails that of the United States in nearly every region of the world." muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #18
Ouch, that's got to sting. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #22
It's "IMAGE". Yes. elias49 Aug 2015 #40
Deep down, Obama is a much better human being than Putin. Surely you believe that? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #42
Absolutely President Obama is a better man! elias49 Aug 2015 #43
Please see my post #38 elias49 Aug 2015 #44
In terms of sheer destructiveness and scale of death, ronnie624 Aug 2015 #46
As we see, the general opinion of the world is also that the USA is better (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #51
In no way does that change the facts of history. n/t ronnie624 Aug 2015 #83
One would think Pew's never done a survey on that... LanternWaste Aug 2015 #20
That's why I asked. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #23
Oh of course you would Comrade! Of course! snooper2 Aug 2015 #39
LOL Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #48
With China and India cosmicone Aug 2015 #11
Bingo! But the very intent of these polls is as bent as a nine bob watch. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #27
Two countries should represent global opinion? Is that what you would have us believe? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #49
By sheer numbers ... yes cosmicone Aug 2015 #54
Excuse me, but that's "sheer" silliness. There's a whole big world outside the BRICS, and.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #56
The whole world outside of BRICS cosmicone Aug 2015 #72
That's some weird math you got right there. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #74
This is really interesting -thanks. MBS Aug 2015 #14
Good thing for delusional nitwits on DU tabasco Aug 2015 #21
'Cep gazillions of Russians. Shame he stops our corporations Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #28
He prefers to do that himself. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #29
See, even now you're obsessing about money. I sure hope he has Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #35
Are you being serious? NuclearDem Aug 2015 #45
considering there's a Ukraine to Spain connection PatrynXX Aug 2015 #24
The math does not work in the chart. former9thward Aug 2015 #25
Yeah, Putin is pretty awful. Bad article though. Bradical79 Aug 2015 #26
As if he even cares about this poll. roamer65 Aug 2015 #32
China and India seem to trust him daleo Aug 2015 #34
Only among the political class. The people love him. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #36
Instead of a democratically-elected, benign autocrat as the UK'S PM, Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #37
China doesn't have free access to information LeftyMom Aug 2015 #84
Here's the original Pew article MBS Aug 2015 #38
Yeah. These last two paragraphs bear pondering: elias49 Aug 2015 #41
Except nobody gives a shit who Russians trust. It's their leader the world hates. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #50
Too subtle for you? elias49 Aug 2015 #53
That's not what the poll says, but then you knew that. Russia sucks, and the world knows it. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #55
My point is over your head. And I gave you 2 tries. elias49 Aug 2015 #57
It's not a matter of being blind. It's just that I'm not predisposed to the propaganda spouted by.. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #60
I'm not a "Putin booster". elias49 Aug 2015 #63
Well alrighty then..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #67
I wonder what the 'world' would say reorg Aug 2015 #58
I don't know. Why don't you commission that poll, and we'll find out. But back to this one. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #61
LOL reorg Aug 2015 #52
Oh boy, an Internet poll! NuclearDem Aug 2015 #59
'Nationalism is a hell of a poll boost' reorg Aug 2015 #65
Except no one's disputing his domestic popularity. There's a reason for that, and we both know why. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #62
He is popular because journalists get killed? reorg Aug 2015 #64
I know. What a strange thing to say. elias49 Aug 2015 #66
What's even stranger is that the Kremlin kills actual journalists but hires Internet trolls instead. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #69
So, about this 'Russian troll army' reorg Aug 2015 #71
I would say that: "they are ineffective". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #73
Yet you and your friends are so fascinated reorg Aug 2015 #76
"Figment of my imagination"? I'm not sure you know what that phrase actually means. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #79
okay, it's a 'buzz' feed reorg Aug 2015 #81
So pointing out the obvious fact that Russia, like the West, tries to influence public opinion NuclearDem Aug 2015 #78
I know, it's weird. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #70
Media can shape public opinion? reorg Aug 2015 #75
Or in a country that's placed most of its media under state control. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #77
You seem to have a problem with the BBC reorg Aug 2015 #80
Funny, because that only seems to have happened in cases of those affiliated with al-Qaeda. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #82
I don't think it is funny at all reorg Aug 2015 #85
Yeah, Litvinenko was just a former FSB agent who defected to the West NuclearDem Aug 2015 #86
Novaya Gazeta is not closed down reorg Aug 2015 #88
Threatened with closure. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #90
Opposition to the Kremlin line is not encouraged, it can have disastrous effects on one's health. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #68
Pretty misleading headline to say the least - elias49 Aug 2015 #89

erronis

(15,274 posts)
15. Careful, comrade. That might make you target of polonium missile.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:57 PM
Aug 2015

Not that some other nations (one of which I live) are blameless for unlawful and unethical actions.

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
2. I think this may help define the limits on the power of Internet Trollery.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 03:55 PM
Aug 2015

Given how desperately the Putinista machine has been employing it for the last few years.

If so, it's actually a very welcome development.

interestedly,
Bright

erronis

(15,274 posts)
16. Ugh. That just makes me not want any more Putinesqua sauce.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:58 PM
Aug 2015

Strangely salty. Wonder what it's flavored with?

erronis

(15,274 posts)
31. Yeah - I knew but always like to hear it repeated
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 08:51 PM
Aug 2015

The little putin - salty and probably dangerous.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Less popular in Venezuela than in the US!
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 03:57 PM
Aug 2015

(US=75/21 -54%, VZ is 70/14 -56%).

Damn Western capitalist media!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. AMERICAN PROPAGANDA!
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:03 PM
Aug 2015

Things could have gone so much better for Russia. So much time wasted that could have been better spent on becoming a more valuable part of the world community.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
5. Well, this is what happens when your "Internet Troll Army" misses a paycheck.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:21 PM
Aug 2015

I gotta say that I'm surprised at the results in Latin America. I thought he was like a God.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
87. or conversely that corporate media still has some chops
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 01:31 PM
Aug 2015

Or a lot of people don't follow foreign policy unless we're on the edge of war or worse.

FarrenH

(768 posts)
6. 35 countries isn't close to the whole wold
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:24 PM
Aug 2015

I mean, Putin's an asshole, but this is not the whole world, it's selected countries in each region, some in regions where opinions vary hugely between neighbours. and I wish they'd break these things down by population. This is the second Pew survey I've seen that fails to make clear that for example China (49%) has 1.x billion people and Jordan (81%) has 6 million. You could add Jordan's disapproval to China's disapproval, divide by their added populations and you'd basically get China's disapproval ~49%. All of the European countries surveyed together are less than half China's population.

The same failure to clearly signal vastly different population sizes led Maher and Harris to make specious claims about what "most Muslims" believe in the spat with Reza Aslan based on a Pew survey. Honestly, I can't help wonder if there is some political agenda at Pew that makes them present the data in a deceptive way.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Those 35 countries constitute 82% of the world's population and over 91% of its industrial output
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 05:08 PM
Aug 2015

Those 35 countries constitute 82% of the world's population and over 91% of its industrial output.

So objectively yes, that is close to the entire world.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
33. Compelling graph
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 10:50 PM
Aug 2015

and it's a good question: not just "favorable" or "unfavorable" , but do you have confidence in this person to do the right thing in world affairs?

You can see the good that Obama has done for our country's global reputation right there in that graph.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. Hmmm, pluralities in Ethopia, Tanzania, Ghana, Nigeria, Vietnam, India, China, Philippines....
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

I'd say that's a significant portion of the global population that has confidence in Putin.

erronis

(15,274 posts)
17. Like, duh? Sure, isn't he that guy on Breakin Bad?
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 05:01 PM
Aug 2015

Try asking these opinions on Coney Island - apparently the epicenter of us knowledge.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
18. "Its image trails that of the United States in nearly every region of the world."
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 05:07 PM
Aug 2015


Favorable opinion of Russia trails that of the U.S. by a significant margin in most regions of the world. The image gap is 43 points in Europe (U.S. 69%, Russia 26%); it is 42 points in Africa (U.S. 79%, Russia 37%). Only in the Middle East are opinions of Russia and the U.S. comparable, both notably poor: just 29% favorable for the U.S. and 25% favorable for Russia.
...
In all regions of the world, Putin’s image fares quite poorly compared with public perception of U.S. President Barack Obama. Three-quarters of Europeans have confidence in Obama to do the right thing in world affairs. Only 15% have such faith in Putin. By more than two-to-one, publics in Africa, Asia and Latin America trust Obama more than Putin. Only in the Middle East is confidence in Putin even close to confidence in Obama. And that is not because support for Putin is very high (25%), but rather because support for Obama is also quite low (36%).

http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/08/05/russia-putin-held-in-low-regard-around-the-world/
 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
40. It's "IMAGE". Yes.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:28 AM
Aug 2015

We're all about image. It's the American way...

Now dig a little deeper. Scrape away the cosmetics and see what's there.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
42. Deep down, Obama is a much better human being than Putin. Surely you believe that?
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:38 AM
Aug 2015

And, given so many Russians are happy with Putin leading them, sending troops into Ukraine, presiding over the most unequal major country in the world, destroying LGBT rights ... I think Americans are, deep down, better, on the whole, than Russians are at the moment.

The poll is about 'image', by the way. Because it's about the opinion of the rest of the world on the USA and Russia.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
43. Absolutely President Obama is a better man!
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:44 AM
Aug 2015

But I don't want us going to war over it. Obama's moral superiority should be its own reward.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
46. In terms of sheer destructiveness and scale of death,
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 01:33 PM
Aug 2015

the US has been #1 for decades. There is no close second. An objective examination of the historical record, demonstrates this conclusively.

"I think Americans are, deep down, better, on the whole, than Russians are at the moment." Ugh.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. One would think Pew's never done a survey on that...
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 05:09 PM
Aug 2015

One would think Pew's never done a survey on that... (unless of course, one actually looked)

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. With China and India
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:45 PM
Aug 2015

a majority of the world's population has confidence in Russia -- except Russophobic trolls everywhere.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
27. Bingo! But the very intent of these polls is as bent as a nine bob watch.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 08:08 PM
Aug 2015

They're intended to shape opinion. And you Putin-haters fall for it every time.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
54. By sheer numbers ... yes
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 03:27 PM
Aug 2015

The OP trolled that "the whole world hates Russia" but a majority of people in the world don't.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
56. Excuse me, but that's "sheer" silliness. There's a whole big world outside the BRICS, and....
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 03:29 PM
Aug 2015

the results are in.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
72. The whole world outside of BRICS
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:40 PM
Aug 2015

except for EU and North America has a combined GDP and/or population that is less than 7% of the world. The last time I checked, 7% support doesn't win any election/opinion.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
14. This is really interesting -thanks.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:55 PM
Aug 2015

Some confirm the obvious (Poland, Ukraine) but other results are quite surprising (South America, Spain. .). For whatever it's worth, I was recently in Portugal, and, from remarks of friends, I got the sense that he's not popular there, either (no, it's not a proper survey, but their remarks seemed to jibe with the 6% favorable rating in neighboring Spain).
Even Ghana and China are hardly overwhelming in support.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
28. 'Cep gazillions of Russians. Shame he stops our corporations
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 08:13 PM
Aug 2015

plundering the Russian people, and sends them packing, howling with their tails between their legs.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
29. He prefers to do that himself.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 08:20 PM
Aug 2015

Or did you think he became one of the richest men in the world due to his savvy business practices?

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
35. See, even now you're obsessing about money. I sure hope he has
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:20 AM
Aug 2015

salted enough away for his post retirement security, but whatever amount he has, would be a drop in the ocean compared to the rapine and pillage by Western corporations, who don't even spare their own citizenry. The multinationals owe allegiance to no country in their oWn eyes.

But what is particularly laughable about you jungle-jurist, Inayn Randian types is that your last and only propaganda hope, though it amounts to little enough, is to trumpet that all left-wing leaders steal billions from their country. Evidently, the kind of dastardly behaviour none of your South American 'caudillos' and their whole class would ever have contemplated.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
45. Are you being serious?
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:28 AM
Aug 2015


First of all, he's reported to be worth anywhere from between $40 and $70 billion, which would make him the second richest person on earth. I doubt that comes from clipping coupons.

Second, Putin is not a "left wing leader." That you say so is completely laughable.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
24. considering there's a Ukraine to Spain connection
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 06:36 PM
Aug 2015

alot of people from Ukraine end up in Spain is Putin going after Spain?

former9thward

(32,012 posts)
25. The math does not work in the chart.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 07:59 PM
Aug 2015

Unless you think the population of each country is equal to every other country. Putin has a 2 to 1 favorable/unfavorable in the two biggest countries on earth -- China and India.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
26. Yeah, Putin is pretty awful. Bad article though.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 08:05 PM
Aug 2015

But this is a pretty poor and uninformative article with a clickbait headline. Not really LBN worthy imo.

Not sure the author understands what median is? That sentence about the median values made no sense. It's just the middle value and the author talks about it like it's a percentage of everyone surveyed.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
34. China and India seem to trust him
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:41 PM
Aug 2015

So does Nigeria. That's a lot of people. The poll doesn't establish anything definitive, except that there is a wide range of opinions on Putin.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
37. Instead of a democratically-elected, benign autocrat as the UK'S PM,
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:30 AM
Aug 2015

as people in the UK in the seventies often said the country needed, we got the Baroness Lady Cardboard - who so efficiently finished off the destruction of industry initiated by the Luftwaffe, in favour of an economy built around a 'casino' banking sector.
No wonder while WWII was raging, she chose not to join her young university peers in the war effort, preferring to continue her studies.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
84. China doesn't have free access to information
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 03:19 AM
Aug 2015

They censor the news, they ban troublesome words from their twitter equivalent, and they routinely intrude on people's internet browsers with reminders that their activities are being watched.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
41. Yeah. These last two paragraphs bear pondering:
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:33 AM
Aug 2015

"In the U.S., roughly one-in-five Americans (21%) have confidence in Putin’s handling of world affairs. This is about half the proportion who trusted him in 2003 (41%). Older Americans are particularly distrustful of Putin.

Meanwhile, Russian confidence in Obama is now at Bush-era lows. As recently as 2011, 41% of Russians had faith in Obama. In 2015, just 11% of Russians trust his handling of world affairs, comparable to their 8% confidence in U.S. President George W. Bush in 2003."

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
55. That's not what the poll says, but then you knew that. Russia sucks, and the world knows it.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 03:27 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Just to reiterate the point of this thread in case you missed it:




 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
57. My point is over your head. And I gave you 2 tries.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

Never mind. None so blind as those who refuse to see.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
60. It's not a matter of being blind. It's just that I'm not predisposed to the propaganda spouted by..
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:26 PM
Aug 2015

DU's Putin boosters.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
58. I wonder what the 'world' would say
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:03 PM
Aug 2015

if a poll found that a large majority of Germans think that 'Israel sucks' (and if large sectors of the Middle East and other countries would agree).

reorg

(3,317 posts)
52. LOL
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:41 PM
Aug 2015

Vladimir Putin Wins TIME 100 Reader’s Poll
April 13, 2015

Putin edged out rapper-singer CL (of the South Korean girl-group 2NE1) to claim the number one spot with 6.95% of the votes in the final tally. Pop stars Lady Gaga, Rihanna and Taylor Swift rounded out the top five with 2.6%, 1.9% and 1.8% of the votes, respectively.

The TIME 100 is an annual list of the 100 most influential people in the world, spanning politics, entertainment, business, technology, science, religion and other fields. Chosen by the editors of TIME, this year’s list will be unveiled April 16. Voting for the reader’s poll closed April 10.

Besides Putin, the only non-entertainers to crack the top 10 were the Dalai Lama (1.7%), Malala Yousafzai (1.6%) and Pope Francis. (1.5%). Barack and Michelle Obama sat just outside the top 10 with 1.4% and 1.2% of the votes, respectively.

http://time.com/3820069/time-100-readers-poll-results/


Putin has enjoyed record-high approval ratings during his standoff with the West over Ukraine, even as collapsing oil prices threaten to push his country's economy into a debilitating recession.

77% Yes
23% No

http://time.com/3747739/time-100-poll-results/



Putin scores highest ever poll rating
6/25/15
Russian president Vladimir Putin's approval rating has reached its highest point since he first set foot in the Kremlin over 15 years ago, according to independent Russian pollster the Levada Center.

http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-putins-popularity-reaches-historic-high-among-russians-329277



 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
59. Oh boy, an Internet poll!
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:20 PM
Aug 2015

Those are surely 100% reliable and not at all vulnerable to skewing.

As far as your last one, Bush was pretty damn popular for a while after 9/11 too. Nationalism is a hell of a poll boost.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
65. 'Nationalism is a hell of a poll boost'
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:56 PM
Aug 2015

Exactly right, you finally got it.

You can also boost polls in other ways, like saying the 'median' percentage of 1,357,3 billion Chinese (54%) and 6,7 million Jordanians (12%) trusting Putin is (54+12):2=33 percent of 1,364 Chinese and Jordanians combined, LOL.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
62. Except no one's disputing his domestic popularity. There's a reason for that, and we both know why.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:35 PM
Aug 2015
Russia Journalists Killed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/russia-journalists-killed/


Deviating from the Kremlin line of propaganda can be hazardous to life & limb, as these guys found out.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
69. What's even stranger is that the Kremlin kills actual journalists but hires Internet trolls instead.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:17 PM
Aug 2015
TYT/Buzzfeed: "Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere "



"Moscow is financing legions of pro-Russia Internet commenters. But how much do they matter?"

"Russia's campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin's message on the comments section of top American websites.


The really "strange" part is that they've begun to believe their own propaganda.


reorg

(3,317 posts)
71. So, about this 'Russian troll army'
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:36 PM
Aug 2015

and Russians in general, would you say that

  • they are more loyal to Russia than to (this country/to the countries they live in)?
  • they have too much control over global affairs?
  • they think they are better than other people?
  • they have too much control over public opinion/the global media?
  • they are responsible for wars?
  • People hate them because of the way they behave?

http://global100.adl.org/#country/germany/2014

reorg

(3,317 posts)
76. Yet you and your friends are so fascinated
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:02 PM
Aug 2015

by that figment of your imagination that you never fail to mention it whenever the opportunity arises.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
78. So pointing out the obvious fact that Russia, like the West, tries to influence public opinion
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:10 PM
Aug 2015

over the Internet is akin to antisemitism?



Oh dear, you guys are a laugh riot.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
70. I know, it's weird.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:28 PM
Aug 2015

It's almost like controlling what gets reported on in the media can shape popular opinion, or something.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
75. Media can shape public opinion?
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:56 PM
Aug 2015

Like, say, a report that states 'most of the world hates Russians' when in fact even their own numbers show that 'most of the world' does not, only in countries with a large percentage of corporate and/or state-sponsored media churning out demonstrably false and propagandistic crap?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
77. Or in a country that's placed most of its media under state control.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:08 PM
Aug 2015

And assassinates independent journalists as a matter of course.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't spike their dissidents' tea.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
80. You seem to have a problem with the BBC
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:03 PM
Aug 2015

and MI6 and I agree about the glass houses. Imagine countries where, say, the President, or perhaps the Foreign Secretary has the authority to decide on whether someone needs to be killed or not. I'm glad if we don't have to live under fascism in a constant state of war.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
82. Funny, because that only seems to have happened in cases of those affiliated with al-Qaeda.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:12 PM
Aug 2015

Which terrorist organizations were Litvinenko and Politovskaya involved with?

No, I don't have a problem with the BBC, because unlike RT, they actually hold themselves to standards of impartiality and accuracy.

It's quite entertaining. Putin apologists never seem to actually defend Russian actions or institutions; they simply point fingers at the West. It's almost like they know the particular Russian actions being criticized are utterly indefensible.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
85. I don't think it is funny at all
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:09 AM
Aug 2015

Here is the long list of 'extra-judicial' killings (elsewhere called murder) carried out on behalf of the American President:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

Not sure what your blather is supposed to be about. Litvinenko died / was killed in London, the case is unresolved. For the murder of Politkovskaya there have been convictions. You seem to assume that she was an American agent and therefore eliminated by the state. I have not seen any evidence for this and suggest you take it to the "creative speculation" forum.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
86. Yeah, Litvinenko was just a former FSB agent who defected to the West
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:55 AM
Aug 2015

and somehow just came down with polonium poisoning. I'm sure Russia had absolutely nothing to do with that.

I never said Politkovskaya was an American agent. She was a Russian journalist who covered Putin's corruption and crimes in Chechnya, and was killed for it. Novaya Gazeta has lost three of its journalists to assassinations, and is on the verge of being closed down.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
88. Novaya Gazeta is not closed down
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:03 PM
Aug 2015

They even have a collection of translated articles in English online, e.g. this one:

The Results of Peer Review of Investigation into Boeing-777 (flight MH17) Air Crash 17.17.2014 in the South-East of Ukraine.

(...)

The main results of the peer review:

- identified (specified) a probable type of missile, which initiation led to the destruction of MH17 aircraft in the air;

- determined the missile-to-aircraft meeting conditions at the payload initiation point;

- determined the estimate area of the missile launch.

Principal conclusions:

a) It is most likely that the impact of 9М38М1 missile with 9М314М payload, which is the main missile of Buk-M1 ADSM, caused the destruction of the aircraft.

b) The present missile-to-aircraft meeting conditions, and as a result, the fragmentation cover field could be implemented only when shooting at the localizer parameter. The missile was moving to cross the aircraft course at angles 72-75 degrees in the horizontal plane and 20-22 degrees in the vertical plane.

c) On the grounds of the missile-to-aircraft meeting conditions, there has been determined the most probable area of the missile launch (2.5x3.5 km) located southwards Zaroshchenskoe settlement.

From the Editor

This report does not put the final stop. Moreover, it creates new doubts and new questions. The main ones are: where Buk-M1 was launched from and who did that. It is not clear to understand that since there was no one front line at that time, and the map of battle operations reminded a double cake with a number of so called grey zones, where everybody could drive in and return back with no problem. We invite experts to take part in the discussion of the published report.

The Novaya Gazeta continues its investigation

http://en.novayagazeta.ru/politics/68386.html

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
68. Opposition to the Kremlin line is not encouraged, it can have disastrous effects on one's health.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:11 PM
Aug 2015

If you're getting your information from state sponsored media, it shapes your opinion of events. Real "Journalists" offer opposition to the Kremlin, but only as long as they can stay alive.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
89. Pretty misleading headline to say the least -
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 05:05 PM
Aug 2015

The 'infograph' has no colored bar to indicate the "despisers".
It's a measure of the people (who answered the poll) who do and do
not have "confidence" in Putin.
I think in fairness the post should be self-deleted. It's essentially bull shit.
How do you say "propaganda" in American english?

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