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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:09 PM Jul 2015

Unions Can't Force State Workers To Pay dues, Michigan Supreme Court Rules

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

The Michigan Supreme Court says state workers can’t be forced to pay labor unions for negotiating contracts and providing other services.

In a 4-3 decision Wednesday, the court said the Michigan Civil Service Commission lacks the authority to impose mandatory fees on thousands of civil servants.

It’s a big defeat for unions — especially the UAW — which have been collecting fees from state workers even if workers didn’t want full membership.

Michigan has had a right-to-work law since 2013. It says public and private employees don’t have to pay union dues or fees as a condition of employment.

Read more: http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20150729/NEWS01/150729839/unions-can-t-force-state-workers-to-pay-dues-supreme-court-rules

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Unions Can't Force State Workers To Pay dues, Michigan Supreme Court Rules (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2015 OP
Fine, Non Union workers should not enjoy Union gained benefits lobodons Jul 2015 #1
+1,027 Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #2
+1000 Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #14
So companies will fire union workers because the RTW workers will do more for less lindysalsagal Jul 2015 #18
I agree. Let the right-to-work, free loading, sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #4
Not allowed under current labor law MichMan Jul 2015 #11
Oh oh. Well, then, those folks will just have to join then. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #16
"Michigan has had a right-to-work law since 2013." awake Jul 2015 #5
Gerrymandering in Michigan is out of control. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #7
One step closer to third world living. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #6
I wonder what pay the judges get? Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #8
I don't know, but its trumped by the under-the-table payments. erronis Jul 2015 #10
Michigan is screwed for a generation.... the_sly_pig Jul 2015 #9
so they ordered lawyers to work for nothing quizzle Jul 2015 #12
how can a court tell a company they cant collect fees? quizzle Jul 2015 #13
Strike Third_stone Jul 2015 #15
I think unions will overcome this based on how the State or corporations are treating workers... Pauldg47 Jul 2015 #17
Wrong. It goes to the U.S. supremes in the fall. lindysalsagal Jul 2015 #19
I'm going to be positive.....over time we will get there..... Pauldg47 Aug 2015 #20
 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
1. Fine, Non Union workers should not enjoy Union gained benefits
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jul 2015

Negotiate on your own. Good luck with that.

Response to lobodons (Reply #1)

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
18. So companies will fire union workers because the RTW workers will do more for less
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jul 2015

Nights, weekends, no health care, no pensions, no paid sick leave.

That's what this is about: 3rd world sweatshops right here at home.

Welcome to India.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
4. I agree. Let the right-to-work, free loading,
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jul 2015

non-union piggy-backers negotiate their own contracts individually. Future contracts should demand they be excluded from benefits won by union members. It really is way past time to start counter punching. But, better late than never.

MichMan

(11,938 posts)
11. Not allowed under current labor law
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jul 2015

Unfortunately, under current labor law, non union members are not allowed to bargain for themselves even if they want to. Exclusive representation clauses mean that if there is a union, they are the only ones allowed to bargain on behalf of employees whether members or not.

On the other hand, that also means that other rival unions cannot come in and poach members either by offering lower dues or increased services.

Until it is changed by legislation, the union will continue to represent members who have opted to not pay. As far as I know, most unions have NOT been lobbying congress to make this happen.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
16. Oh oh. Well, then, those folks will just have to join then.
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jul 2015

That is, when they find out that management is FAR FROM benign and they are being screwed every which way but loose - nickel and dimed, having benefits reduced, pensions stolen or 'flattened.' Yep. That brave new 'we don't need no stinkin' unions' world! A real worker's paradise!

awake

(3,226 posts)
5. "Michigan has had a right-to-work law since 2013."
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:31 PM
Jul 2015

The court seems to have just upheld the law, the problem is not the court it is that the "Right to screw workers" law was passed in 2013

erronis

(15,303 posts)
10. I don't know, but its trumped by the under-the-table payments.
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jul 2015

Nice life, eh? A few thousand in an envelope with no taxmen looking over your shoulders.

Everyone can be bought and I think the massive amount of free-spending giga-milliionaires makes sure that everyone is bought. If not they won't survive the next round of plutocracy or an inconvenient plane crash. Evil brothers.

the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
9. Michigan is screwed for a generation....
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jul 2015

I feel bad for the people in that State. Just as bad as Wisconsin.

 

quizzle

(44 posts)
12. so they ordered lawyers to work for nothing
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jul 2015

to represent people who will not pay those lawyers for their services. how the fuck is that possible?

 

quizzle

(44 posts)
13. how can a court tell a company they cant collect fees?
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jul 2015

The Supreme Court, however, says its decision isn’t based on that law. The court says the ruling is based on the Civil Service Commission’s powers as described in the constitution. wtf is that?

Third_stone

(3 posts)
15. Strike
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jul 2015

I call for a strike. We cannot allow ourselves to keep going downhill. To call this "right to work" is ridiculous, since it adds to nobody's rights, only deprives us of the right to collective bargaining.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
17. I think unions will overcome this based on how the State or corporations are treating workers...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:38 AM
Jul 2015

...there is a revolution on the horizon.

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