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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 03:39 PM Jul 2015

Clinton to call for lifting embargo with Cuba

Source: Associated Press


By LISA LERER


Jul. 29, 2015 2:01 PM EDT




WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign says she will call for lifting the embargo with Cuba in a Florida address on Friday.

In the speech, Clinton will side with President Barack Obama, who normalized relations with the island nation in December, and deride her Republican presidential opponents for pushing what her campaign calls the "failed policies of the past."

Clinton has previously advocated lifting the embargo, writing in her book "Hard Choices" that she recommended the president take another look at the trade prohibition........................

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c3ab273af57d4ba6ae3d8cc3fb7e210c/clinton-call-lifting-embargo-cuba



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Clinton to call for lifting embargo with Cuba (Original Post) riversedge Jul 2015 OP
It's really amazing Fearless Jul 2015 #1
What is amazing is that when someone says something positive or good thing, there is always someone still_one Jul 2015 #3
Well if she would take the lead on something that would be nice Fearless Jul 2015 #4
My question wasn't one of support or not, but if someone announces something progressive, that is a still_one Jul 2015 #6
The point is that she is only following others not leading Fearless Jul 2015 #7
ok, I got your point still_one Jul 2015 #9
Good post. Andrej28 Jul 2015 #16
Almost as amazing as the witless 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc' fallacies LanternWaste Jul 2015 #12
Big words must me I'm wrong. Fearless Jul 2015 #17
Oooh, that's edgy. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #2
I'm certain Sanders and O'Malley would do the same. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #11
Good. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #8
It is past time to lift this embargo Gothmog Jul 2015 #10
How is this Late Breaking News? n/t djean111 Jul 2015 #13
She said something. bluedigger Jul 2015 #15
It's... Late, Breaking News Fearless Jul 2015 #18
What is it they say down at Ft. Benning's infantry school? bluedigger Jul 2015 #14
So who's leading? katmille Jul 2015 #19

still_one

(92,217 posts)
3. What is amazing is that when someone says something positive or good thing, there is always someone
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jul 2015

who has to throw a cynical retort.

FYI, Hillary came out on this when Obama first came out July 1, and encouraged the president to reconsider and eliminate the embargo against Cuba last year

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
4. Well if she would take the lead on something that would be nice
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe then she'd get some support. No one wants to vote for the second banana though. And that's all she paints herself as.

Obama took the lead. She followed.

On LGBT rights... EVERYONE took the lead, she followed.

On NAFTA, well everyone's taken the lead and she's still dithering...

On healthcare Obama took the lead... Her plan didn't guarantee everyone coverage.

On Citizens United... well yeah... still waiting on that one... but Sanders takes the lead.

She does what's politically popular to get herself elected. She isn't real. She's phoney.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
6. My question wasn't one of support or not, but if someone announces something progressive, that is a
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jul 2015

good thing.

Incidentally, in her book she called for the lifting of the embargo:

"Near the end of my tenure I recommended to President Obama that he take another look at our embargo. It wasn’t achieving its goals and it was holding back our broader agenda across Latin America. After twenty years of observing and dealing with the U.S.-Cuba relationship, I thought we should shift the onus onto the Castros to explain why they remained undemocratic and abusive."

http://time.com/3637669/hillary-clinton-alan-gross-cuba-hard-choices/

While you may not agree with her reasoning, she has been moving in that direction.

As to your other issues, President Obama ignored those issues in his first term. I personally believe it was strategic, in order to get the ACA through, and that is why everything seems to be happening in his second term.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
7. The point is that she is only following others not leading
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jul 2015

We need a leader for a president, not a follower.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. Almost as amazing as the witless 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc' fallacies
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jul 2015

Almost as amazing as the witless 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc' fallacies so many of the under-educated and dogmatic predicate their conclusions on.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
17. Big words must me I'm wrong.
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:09 PM
Jul 2015

Except you spelled it wrong...

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.



Incidentally it's not a logical fallacy. All evidence points to her accepting points of view only after they become popular. This is another of those situations.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

katmille

(213 posts)
19. So who's leading?
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jul 2015

I'm wondering why Bernie is running as a Democrat, since he is a socialist, and a registered independent. Seems to me he just wants to ride the Democratic coat tails. Some Independent.😑

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