NASA 'On The Cusp' Of Discovering If Life Exists Beyond Earth, Says Top Scientist
Source: Huffington Post
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WASHINGTON -- There's evidence of an interior ocean on Pluto. One of Jupiter's moons has a global ocean beneath its crust that could contain more than twice as much water as Earth. There are at least half a dozen of these ocean worlds in our solar system alone -- and where there's water, there may be answers about the potential for life across the universe.
That's what a panel of planetary scientists told the House Science, Space and Technology Committee Tuesday, and left everyone's minds blown.
"Are we alone? Many, many people on planet Earth want to know," said Dr. John Grunsfeld, a physicist and former astronaut who now leads NASA's Science Mission Directorate. "We are on the cusp of being able to answer that question
because of the investments we're making in space technology."
Grunsfeld joined four other panelists in urging lawmakers to keep up federal funding for space exploration. They all described exciting new developments, but one didn't need much explaining: Earlier this month, the NASA space probe New Horizons completed its historic flyby of Pluto. NASA has received only a tiny amount of data back so far -- it's going to take 16 months to get it all, as it travels across 3 billion miles of space -- but there have already been surprising discoveries.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nasa-life-beyond-earth_55b7ad53e4b0a13f9d1a4f97?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Here I fixed the headline:
NASA 'On The Cusp' Of Uncovering The Fact Life Exists Beyond Earth,
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)that we discovers some extra-terrestrial microbe that thrives on Stupid. We'd transport some of those life forms to earth and turn them loose in DC , Israel and across the whole of the Middle East. The results would be astounding!
Javaman
(62,530 posts)Cheers!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)if only it could be.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)when this is proven? I wonder.
daleo
(21,317 posts)And it proves they were right all along.
StarzGuy
(254 posts)...Creationist are science deniers so they will simply deny the fact and that NASA has made it all up (faked it) for more government funding.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)I have some pretty crazy religious family and neighbors. I have heard the Fermi paradox marched out a proof of creationism. The convoluted mental gymnastics will be hilarious.
former9thward
(32,023 posts)but mainstream Christians do not deny there may be life in other parts of the universe.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Okay?
I don't know. Many mainstream Christianists who I know still deny evolution.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)SteveG
(3,109 posts)Londo Mollari: [arguing with Garibaldi] We made a mistake, I'm sorry. Here, open my wrists. [offers Garibaldi his wrists]
Michael Garibaldi: Centauri don't have major arteries in their wrists.
Londo: Of course not! What, do you think I am stupid?
Londo: What reasonable explanation is there for the slaughter of unarmed civilians?
G'Kar: Curious. We wondered the same thing when you invaded our world. The wheel turns, does it not, Ambassador?
Londo: We should have wiped out your kind when we had the chance.
G'Kar: What happened? Run out of small children to butcher?
Adira: What if we are seen together? What will people say?
Londo: They'l say they'll say Ambassador Mollari is a most fortunate man. We Centauri live our lives for appearances, position, status, title. These are the things by which we define ourselves. But when I look beneath the mask I am forced to wear, I see only emptiness. And then I think of you, and then I say to Hell with appearances.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, onehandle.
6chars
(3,967 posts)the article didn't describe anything new - they have found water in the solar system. if life exists in that water in the solar system then further missions - some ways away - could positively answer the question. If not, it does not answer the question at all, as the possibility of life outside the solar system would remain.
i am for space, but read this testimony for what it is - an appeal for funding.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...adequate funding for the most important scientific discovery of all time?
I've been following these developments for many years, and it is really true that NASA is on the verge of discovering life elsewhere in our solar system and in the greater universe. So many things have happened--vast improvements in technology, including vastly improved telescopes; the recent discovery of about 500 planets around other suns and a total of about 2,000 candidate planets, within a relatively small portion of the Milky Way near us (most of these are accompanied by smaller planets, like our own, that we can't yet detect; at minimum, there are estimated to be a hundred billion planets in the Milky Way alone, probably many more, in multiple planet systems); the discovery of water literally everywhere, including underground oceans on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, water on our own moon, water on Mars, water throughout the asteroid belt, and in huge quantities throughout the universe; the recent discovery of extremophiles on earth (organisms that thrive in extreme hot or cold); and more, much more.
All of this is recent. All of it is revolutionizing space exploration. Life is out there. It is now a GIVEN.
But in this case--a case of monumental importance--the actual discovery is dependent on expensive technology, as well as large teams of brilliant and resourceful people. They've been making these fantastic discoveries basically on a shoestring for decades now. We have plenty of money to fund war after war after war. We have plenty of money to pay Cheney's company, Halliburton-KBR's, legal bills against our own soldiers! (I just read that here at DU!) We have plenty of money for massive subsidies and tax writeoff's for the transglobal corporations that regularly screw us over in every way they can. We have plenty of money for prisons, for militarizing the police, and for all kinds of bad shit--but we can't fund the greatest science team in the world, in pursuit of the greatest scientific discovery of all time?
How small we have become, if that is true.
6chars
(3,967 posts)that's really a policy decision. the scientists can make a case about the science, and in this case, even though it is exciting science, in think they were overstating it in saying we are on the cusp of discovery. i think it's 50-50 whether there is life elsewhere in the solar system -- even if there are multiple environments where it could persist if it takes hold. if it does, we could probably find it given a few trillion dollars. not necessarily given just a few billion dollars. with objective input about the science, our elected officials and representatives can figure out if this is worth taxing people for, and if it is more important than other uses. maybe it is. certainly more worthwhile than lining KBRs pockets.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The entire NASA budget is less than 20 billion (and falling), but they still manage to explore all the major masses in the Solar System and place the Kepler satellite in orbit.
The probability of life elsewhere in our own solar system is unknown, but certainly cheaper to determine, and that's about all anyone can say.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Our elected government generally can't find it's own butt without a map and helpers.
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)At least this was true as of 2011 and very likely still is. See this 2012 post from my blog:
http://dgarygrady.com/2012/11/26/corrected-science-vs-defense/
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)There is no reason as to why it shouldn't exist elsewhere.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...as well as throughout the Milky Way and the other billions of galaxies. The discoveries of the conditions for life--and just for life as we know it (not counting life forms that we can't yet imagine except in science fiction)--over the last few decades has really changed those odds during that time. What would be flabbergasting, at this point, is if there is no other life. That's close to impossible.
I've previously felt that there is life elsewhere, but it was more like a hunch based on the sheer numbers of stars and galaxies, as those numbers exploded upward beginning with Hubble's discovery of other galaxies--a discovery that I became conscious of as a young adult--and to the present day with the Hubble telescope itself and its truly mindboggling images of billions and billions of galaxies. How can there NOT be other life? There are just SO many galaxies, half of them spirals like our Milky Way, including trillions and trillions of suns like our own.
But it's not a hunch any more. Until life elsewhere is actually discovered, I can't say 100% certainty. Say, 99.99%. Virtually every condition that astronomers and others have posed as necessary to life-as-we-know-it has been discovered not just to be present elsewhere but to be abundant elsewhere. And I'd venture a guess that this is what drives most scientists at NASA and related institutions today: they aren't just rock hounds or stargazers; they are embarked on the greatest adventure of all time, humanity's search for other life.
And they will pursue it, adequate funding or no adequate funding, as they've proven time and again over the last half century. This is what people who say "they're just after money" don't understand. The scientists who are pursuing extraterrestrial life need money, of course, but they are not doing it for the money.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)change the world that drives them.
That's one of the unfortunate aspects of our society, money is placed on the altar and many if not most people believe everyone worships the dollar, they forget that for so many others; passion, the thrill of discovery and the thirst for knowledge is what drives them.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Yet ANOTHER underground water ocean within our solar system!
"New Horizons data hint at underground ocean"
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-horizons-hint-underground-ocean.html
Note: It's more than a "hint." With a very geologically active icy surface (activity implying heat below; flowing ice and young ice mountains on the surface), there almost has to be an ocean between the icy mantle and the rocky core. NASA scientists haven't found direct evidence yet, but the indirect evidence has gotten very strong since the New Horizons flyby a few weeks ago.
More evidence is coming in every day that life is not just present but is abundant in our solar system, in our galaxy and in the universe.
For instance, this:
"Astronomers find star with three super-Earths"
Astronomers said Thursday they had found a planetary system with three super-Earths orbiting a bright, dwarf starone of them likely a volcanic world of molten rock.
The four-planet system had been hiding out in the M-shaped, northern hemisphere constellation Cassiopeia, "just" 21 light years from Earth...
(MORE) http://phys.org/news/2015-07-astronomers-star-super-earths.html
Note: These planets may be too hot for life-as-we-know it, but large planets almost always mean smaller planets in the system that are much harder to detect. The number of detected planets now stands at about 500 and planet candidates at about 2,000--all within a relatively small section of our own galaxy near us. What this means is that, at minimum, there is one planet per star--or, at minimum, 100 billion planets--in the Milky Way alone.
And this:
"Philae probe finds evidence that comets can be cosmic labs"
Scientists say the Philae space probe has gathered data supporting the theory that comets can serve as cosmic laboratories in which some of the essential elements for life are assembled.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-07-philae-probe-evidence-comets-cosmic.html#jCp
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)The numbers keep growing!
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-exoplanets-future.html
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Not that I don't think they should get funding, but it seems like people in the sciences rarely make such sensational claims unless it's in search of more funding.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)The search for E.T. The new research suggests that Enceladus has three main ingredients needed for life to evolve: water, heat, and nutrients. Just last year, scientists mapped out 101 geysers of water vapor and ice near Enceladus's south pole.
Plumes spurting ice particles, water vapor and trace organic compounds from the surface of Saturn's moon Enceladus. Nasa/JPL/Space Science Institute
And given that the moon isn't the only one of its kind, this has intriguing implications for the possibility of life elsewhere in the Milky Way.
Enceladus may even represent a very common habitat in the galaxy: icy moons around giant gas planets, located well beyond the habitable zone of a star, but still able to maintain liquid water below their icy surface, Nicolas Altobelli, a Cassini project scientist, said in a written statement issued by the European Space Agency.
Researchers are eager to examine samples from Enceladus to determine whether life exists there, though that may take years.
"It will take more than 20 years to send a space probe to Enceladus and bring samples back to Earth," Dr. Yasuhito Sekine, an associate professor at the University of Tokyo and one of the researchers behind the new finding, told Reuters.
"So we're taking a long breath until we finally get the sample in our hands -- maybe more than 30 years -- but hopefully by the end of this century, we will reach the conclusion."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/saturn-moon-ocean-enceladus-hot-springs_n_6857150.html
Cal33
(7,018 posts)a simple unicellular life-form with chemicals?
As for life on other planets, there are some 200 billion stars in the Milky Way
galaxy alone, and there are some 100 billion galaxies in the universe. These
unimaginably huge numbers tell us that the probability of life-forms on other
planets of other stars is very, very great, indeed. It's almost a sure thing!
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)Five or ten years ago I saw reports that viruses -- basically raw DNA or RNA usually in a protein shell rather than a candy shell like M&Ms) -- have been synthesized from a nucleotide sequence data. I discussed this with a virologist at a party and we both had the same reaction, namely, oh shite.
Meanwhile, counts you see for galaxies typically refer to the observable universe, the fraction of the universe that was at some point near enough for its light to have had time to reach us since the Big Bang a little under 14 billion years ago. Or really, since the phase change that made the universe transparent, which is the source of the cosmic microwave background.
But its very likely that the universe is a lot bigger than that. A whole lot. In fact, space appears to be Euclidean (or "flat" on a cosmic scale, and the simplest geometry consistent with that is that space is infinite, and since basic Big Bang model implies that matter is approximately evenly distributed throughout all space, the number of galaxies is likewise probably infinite. (Stephen Hawking alluded to this in passing in the recent announcement of a $100 billion donation from a Russian billionaire to fund ten years of vastly expanded search for extra-terrestrial intelligence.)
I read an article in SCIENCE some years back discussing the implications of an infinite universe. Anything that can possibly exist, no matter how unlikely, almost certainly does exist somewhere.
(John Oliver asked Stephen Hawking about this in an interview, and in particular wanted to know whether this meant that on some parallel Earth he was dating Charlize Theron. Hawking told him no.)
Unfortunately, or fortunately if you think about such possibilities as the Tea Party Borg, all the observable universe, and even a good chunk of the observable universe, will forever be beyond our ability to examine except at best for observing it in the remote past. The more distant galaxies we can are receding from us faster than the speed of light and were doing so even when the light we see left them. (It's seriously hard to get one's mind around this, but it's true. I've read and even understood a tiny bit of a paper on this, and you can find a video about it on the Veritasium YouTube channel.) So barring faster-than-light communication or travel we can never emprically verify that the universe is infinite, even though the math suggests it is.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)reproduce and multiply without the aid of other cells.
Would an infinite universe imply that there was no beginning -- no" Big Bang" either?
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)If there's an obnoxious, annoying, pain-in-the-ass, family that lives on your block, you hide under the couch if they ever knock on your door.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)money and resources to kill each other off, while at the same trashing the planet, use up vanishing resources and overpopulate the place wherein many starve. What a hopeless place for the long term.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Think about it. If we head off into the stars in our present developmental state, we could be outright poison to less advanced or more peaceful alien races.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)A large space mirror heats up an asteroid, slowly melting it. Water, which was injected into the center of the body expands, blows up the melted material, creating the shape of a balloon. After cooling down, rotation is induced into the hollow body creating artificial gravity.
A team of bio-life-support system experts, urban planners, and ecologists starts to create an artificial world inside the balloon, preparing it for the first settlers. The small world is then provided with a propulsion system and launched to one of the next stars or used as a space colony.
http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/project-hyperion-the-hollow-asteroid-starship-dissemination-of-an-idea/
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)rocks don't fart.
maybe.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I believe it can occur without biological activity.