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BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. There's a shock. NOT!
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jul 2015

Goodell is one screwed up person. Beat a woman, 2 games! Or maybe 4. Kinda, coulda, maybe knew about underinflated footballs, 4 games! That's justice.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
2. They suspended Hardy for 10 games before they chickened out and reduced it to 4.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jul 2015

I'm pleasantly surprised they didn't chicken out and reduce Big Fat Cheater Tom Brady's 4 game suspension.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
3. CUE THE VONAGE THEME!
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jul 2015

I say, let Brady go to court and insist that a private employer has no right to punish him for refusing to cooperate in an internal investigation!

It's a no-win situation for anybody, but you still need to do the right thing: when you have to choose between bad and worse, ALWAYS CHOOSE BAD.


rocktivity

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
4. its more about the open defiance from Brady and the Pats during the investigation
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:51 PM
Jul 2015

The whole organization did everything they could to make the investigation harder. This is as much a message about that. The NFL wants to show the teams who is the boss.

gelsdorf

(240 posts)
6. I have seen reports on other sites
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jul 2015

that he destroyed the cell phone in question. If that's the case, that is tampering with evidence. I would avoid court if I were he.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
11. The case itself isn't going to have anything to do with the court case.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jul 2015

The NFL concluded it's "more likely than not" that Brady was guilty, So that wouldn't stand up in court either. The fact that he's not legally required to turn over his cellphone at all wouldn't help the NFL's case either.

The court system or an arbitrator doesn't really give two shits about the specifics of the case, what they'll have to rule on is the process and Goodell's authority to do what he did within the framework of the NFL players association contract, which is why the suite is being brought by the NFLPA. Goodell doesn't have a great record of winning those in recent years.

Since this was going to the courts anyway (short of Goodell saying he'd just forget the whole thing, which he couldn't do), I didn't see any reason why Goodell would reverse a suspension that he was instrumental in creating in the first place.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
13. "More likely than not"
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jul 2015

is the standard that courts use to determine civil liability (not criminal). If I sue you, all I have to prove is that you more likely than not committed a tort.

Civil liability has also been described as 50% plus a feather.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
14. The NFL concluded that it was more likely than not that Brady had knowledge of it,
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

not even that he directed it or did it himself. I'm not sure that someone not working for the NFL would even agree on that much. Based on the Wells report, I'm not 100% sure the NFL even proved that ANYONE actually deflated the balls at all. In any case, this will all be irrelevant to the arbitrator or judge, who will be looking at the process, not the case details.

My guess is that the NFLPA files an injunction and gets it, which allows Brady to play until the case is heard, and that drags out until the next offseason, where Brady serves 2 games at the start of the 2016 season. Which I suspect is what Goodell is hoping for. He looks like the tough guy and doesn't piss off the other 31 owners, he doesn't have to keep one of his stars off the field, and the court system does his dirty work of reducing the sentence for him so he doesn't have to answer questions like "why does the guy who beats his wife only get as many games as the guy who more likely than not knew that football were being deflated by about 1psi?"

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
10. That would've pissed off the fan base and severely damage the credibility of the Superbowl
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jul 2015

Even more than the Pats victory.

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