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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:36 PM Jul 2015

U.S. Homeownership Rate Falls to the Lowest Level Since the 1960s

Source: Bloomberg

by Kathleen M Howley
July 28, 2015 — 10:14 AM EDT

The share of Americans who own their homes fell to the lowest level in almost five decades, extending a multiyear decline as families struggle to regain ground lost during the financial crisis and rentals gain favor.

The U.S. homeownership rate was 63.4 percent in the second quarter, down from 63.7 percent in the previous three months, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday. It was lowest reading since 1967.



Would-be homebuyers have been held back by stringent mortgage standards and wage growth that hasn’t kept up with surging home prices. The average household income in June was 4 percent below a record high set in early 2008, even as unemployment dropped to its pre-recession rate, according to Sentier Research LLC.

“We’re still suffering the effects of the housing collapse and the financial crisis,” said Mark Vitner, senior economist with Wells Fargo Securities in Charlotte, North Carolina. “We may have another percentage point to go before we see a bottom” in the homeownership rate, he said.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-28/u-s-homeownership-rate-falls-to-lowest-since-the-1960s



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U.S. Homeownership Rate Falls to the Lowest Level Since the 1960s (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2015 OP
Big drop. 840high Jul 2015 #1
Small wonder, considering banks are sitting on over $ 2 trillion in excess reserves. forest444 Jul 2015 #2
more people are renting than before, to be sure. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #3
I haven't seen any data yet, but it would be telling Hydra Aug 2015 #27
No surprise. Ownership is a old-fashioned way. erronis Jul 2015 #4
Just ask the Plantation Owner if you can. But be respectful - else you die, jtuck004 Jul 2015 #5
Govt. charges a fee for plenty of formerly "free" services and goods here. Psephos Jul 2015 #11
ownership comes with risks and decreased mobility and flexibility the band leader Jul 2015 #14
Don't forget the lawn leftyladyfrommo Aug 2015 #24
True in some circumstances. But remember..... Adrahil Aug 2015 #38
This works if you own a stable business and won't be moving Warpy Aug 2015 #51
+1 appalachiablue Jul 2015 #15
Those darn bankers, they lent money to folks, many who couldn't pay, increasing home ownership, now Hoyt Jul 2015 #6
They lent under pressure from Feds. Psephos Jul 2015 #12
"lent under pressure from the feds..." Adrahil Aug 2015 #39
Breaks the heart! appalachiablue Jul 2015 #19
Look at the graph. What happened in 1993-4 to cause jomin41 Jul 2015 #7
H.R.238 - Community Development Banking Act of 1993 former9thward Jul 2015 #8
A good litmus test to determine who is a genuine right-winger brentspeak Aug 2015 #20
Right, any one who disagrees with you is a right winger. former9thward Aug 2015 #21
What "facts"? You have none. n/t brentspeak Aug 2015 #22
What you posted proves that, not the disagreement CreekDog Aug 2015 #52
Hi, starker friend former9thward Aug 2015 #58
starker CreekDog Aug 2015 #60
Yep. A very good indicator. salib Aug 2015 #26
Wrong MFrohike Aug 2015 #32
You are one who is willfully ignorning history. former9thward Aug 2015 #33
Cool MFrohike Aug 2015 #49
I live in the real world. former9thward Aug 2015 #57
Awesome MFrohike Aug 2015 #61
LOL former9thward Aug 2015 #62
What's that saying? MFrohike Aug 2015 #63
The only pressure exerted by the CRA was on discriminatory practices Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #34
Banks were pressured by politicians to make loans former9thward Aug 2015 #42
That's a marvelously uninformed opinion. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #43
I am from Chicago. former9thward Aug 2015 #44
And politicians doing that are not the CRA regs, Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #45
shorter former9thward: where did all the money go? poor people took it! CreekDog Aug 2015 #53
here's another doozy from former9thward: "The top 1% do not use Medicare". CreekDog Aug 2015 #54
I don't do DU blue links. former9thward Aug 2015 #59
it was a link to one of your posts, so i don't blame you CreekDog Aug 2015 #64
1994 Bill Clinton Promotes "The National Home Ownership Strategies: Partners in the American Dream" appalachiablue Jul 2015 #9
And then......... Historic NY Aug 2015 #28
Yes indeed W kept the housing bubble rolling. In 2006, Greenspan stepped down appalachiablue Aug 2015 #30
The US came out of a recession and entered a large free trade bloc Recursion Jul 2015 #13
do everything you can to keep a family home.even if it means double up in parents/grandparents home Sunlei Jul 2015 #10
Homeownership is another foundation of a strong middle class, now declining fast. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #17
Who actually wants to live like that? LeftyMom Aug 2015 #48
Kick. This is huge, reflects how abysmal our society is now and the 90s, 2000s housing boom appalachiablue Jul 2015 #16
looking at the graph melm00se Jul 2015 #18
Yes, you can do a lot with graphs TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #25
One word: McJobs. candelista Aug 2015 #23
Yep. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2015 #31
Hard to live anywhere these days. ananda Aug 2015 #40
In some areas, homes aren't the investment they used to be. Lurks Often Aug 2015 #29
Rent isn't throwing money down a hole. It's payment for a product. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #35
+1. nt candelista Aug 2015 #41
Absolutely TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #46
Us young people romanic Aug 2015 #36
Median house prices in Morgantown, WV, where I live... a la izquierda Aug 2015 #37
College towns are weird. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #47
She may not live to far from me. a la izquierda Aug 2015 #50
it always depends on where you are in California doesn't it? CreekDog Aug 2015 #55
Yeah. I have a decent sized house for the price of a parking space in the city LeftyMom Aug 2015 #56

forest444

(5,902 posts)
2. Small wonder, considering banks are sitting on over $ 2 trillion in excess reserves.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jul 2015

And what are they doing with all that money? You guessed it: they've snuck right back to the derivatives roulette table.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-derivatives-1-5-quadrillion-time-bomb/5464666

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. more people are renting than before, to be sure.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jul 2015

is there data on how many are renting by choice as opposed to renting because they can't buy (can't get mortgage, can't afford down payment) etc?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
27. I haven't seen any data yet, but it would be telling
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:10 PM
Aug 2015

I almost posted about the underutilization numbers in our economy, but I don't think most people want to believe it. There are less jobs, less income at those jobs, and things like houses are reaching bubble levels again.

Where I live though, there is a severe housing shortage- rents have increased by 50% in just 3 years.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
4. No surprise. Ownership is a old-fashioned way.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jul 2015

You want to live in a house - rent it.
You want to own a car - lease it.
You want to drive that car on a road - pay for it by your tracking device.
You want your child to have education - enroll in a private academy.
You want to drink "pure" water - insert coins.

Everything will become a fee-only service soon. This is to replace the reprehensible "socialist" form that we have now.

The private companies will show how much more efficient they are vs. the government. And do you think their profits will come back to you?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. Just ask the Plantation Owner if you can. But be respectful - else you die,
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jul 2015

The United States of Servile.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
11. Govt. charges a fee for plenty of formerly "free" services and goods here.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:25 PM
Jul 2015

Where do you live?

What I see is that govt. increasingly fails to administer its traditional providings while increasingly taking care of its own insiders. It then uses (fill in the blank - bad roads, shitty schools, unmaintained parks, militarized police, crumbling infrastructure, harebrained grants to sports teams or film companies, etc.) as crowbars to pry more money to fix the "emergencies." Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

the band leader

(139 posts)
14. ownership comes with risks and decreased mobility and flexibility
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jul 2015

renting and/or leasing is often truly a better option.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
24. Don't forget the lawn
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:54 PM
Aug 2015

I hate trying to keep up the lawn. And I need to get the gutters fixed and the roof is old.

But I like the privacy and my yard for my dogs



 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
38. True in some circumstances. But remember.....
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:57 AM
Aug 2015

Some is building wealth on that property, and it ain't the renter.

If you want to a pay a premium for "mobility" and "flexibility" then do so by all means, just relaize it comes at a cost.... a transfer of wealth from the renter to the owner.

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
51. This works if you own a stable business and won't be moving
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:39 PM
Aug 2015

The old model of buying a house in your early 30s and having it paid off by the time you have to retire just doesn't work. People don't have stable careers any more they have jobs and increasingly, those jobs require them to move around, following work.

The other model that works is buying a house in a depressed market that has rising rent. That's why I bought here, as a hedge against rising rent, one that paid off within 2 years.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Those darn bankers, they lent money to folks, many who couldn't pay, increasing home ownership, now
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jul 2015

they won't lend it, fearing another downfall. They can't win.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
12. They lent under pressure from Feds.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:31 PM
Jul 2015

And now they don't lend under pressure from Feds. In both cases, politics and not economic rationality is the driver.

Feds loan bankster unlimited money at 0.25%, they lend it to you on credit cards at 18%, and use the rest to pump more air into the stock and bond bubbles. Why fuck around with mortgages at 3.5%?

Feds and bankers belong to the same club. You and I are not members.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
39. "lent under pressure from the feds..."
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:03 AM
Aug 2015

Uh no. They lent becuase they were many ridiculous amounts of money by lending to under-qualified people, then packaging up the debt into mortgage-backed securities rated AAA despite the fact that the ratings agencies KNEW they were chock full of high risk debt. The "lenders" made a killing with all the risk displaced on the MBS's they sold. The problem for the banks came when the investment side thought the gravy train would go on forever and they bought MBS's themselves, without any scrutiny or due diligence.

jomin41

(559 posts)
7. Look at the graph. What happened in 1993-4 to cause
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jul 2015

such an abrupt (90 degrees?) and sustained shift? Honest question. What was left of Glass-Steagel was repealed in 1999 (Thanks,Bill), but maybe some other piece of de-reg?

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
8. H.R.238 - Community Development Banking Act of 1993
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jul 2015

Although some on DU would disagree this was a bad law which allowed local governments and non-profits to pressure banks into lending to people who could not afford the loans. This drove up housing prices and eventually with all the people not being able to pay back the loans the housing prices collapsed and took down a lot of people with it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/238

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
20. A good litmus test to determine who is a genuine right-winger
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:08 AM
Aug 2015

would be anyone who promulgates the bull$hit that the Community Development Banking Act (actually called the Community Reinvestment Act) had anything to do with the housing bubble and subsequent financial industry collapse.

http://www.menendez.senate.gov/news-and-events/press/fed-chairman-bernanke-confirms-to-menendez-that-community-reinvestment-act-is-not-to-blame-for-foreclosure-crisis

The "CRA helped cause the financial crisis" myth was cooked up in a smoke-filled room in 2008 by conservative think tanks who needed to concoct some bogus reason to exculpate Wall Street for its criminal behavior. They weren't too sure people exactly how many people would be dumb enough to actually believe that an obscure banking act like the CRA (which many RWers themselves had never heard of before they decided to cite it) could be blamed for the crisis, only that enough people would be dumb enough to believe to it so as to create just a smidgen of misdirection away from Wall Street and its White House and Congressional enablers.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
52. What you posted proves that, not the disagreement
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

Not only do you post from the right, but despite claiming to be a lawyer you've posted bogus things repeatedly here.

Like everyone cheats on their taxes, you wouldnt answer if that includes you.

You posted that Harry Reid lied about his excercising injury.

You even tried to slip a lie through about a poll on the word "socialism" by purposely qouting a different poll, years older than the OP LINKED TO, and you did that to try to make the OP sound like a liar by saying the OP had different numbers than the poll showed.

Surely your boast to me that you work actively on liberal causes outside DU is contradicted by your playing up right wing memes like the one in this thread.

What is the point if being here if not to try to make liberals you argue with look like misguided hypocrites?

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
32. Wrong
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:27 PM
Aug 2015

It was a combination of easy money and lax regulation. The exact same thing happened in the 20s and there was no Community Development Banking Act back then. It's the same damn thing every time we have a debt bubble inflate and pop. It's not that hard to understand if you actually bother to read the history.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
33. You are one who is willfully ignorning history.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 02:00 AM
Aug 2015

Banks were forced to give loans to people who they know could not pay it back. That is what led to the housing bauble and the collapse in housing prices.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
49. Cool
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:13 PM
Aug 2015

Please cite the text of the statute or the applicable regulation in the CFR that required them to hand out easy money. In other words, prove it.


While you're doing that, you should also look for the regulations that required them to buy stated income loans (liar's loans), lie repeatedly to their investors about the status of those loans, lean on mortgage appraisers to falsely inflate house values, and repackage the worst dregs of the loan pools into CDOs. Once you're done with that, we can discuss the issue of ARMs, a fake ratings system, and the teensy issue of MERS and how it relates to a potential chain of title issue in this country. Sound good?

You're spouting off a right-wing talking point with limited basis in reality. The fundamental problem that you have with that argument is that usually right-wingers claim that the act forced Fannie and Freddie to buy bad loans. Why do they matter? They were required to buy a set percentage of loans to further affordable housing. The problem for your argument is that their default rates were ridiculously lower than private label MBS. Private label had a 50% higher default rate than the GSEs. The GSEs had a default rate of around 6% after everything went to hell, which is definitely high, but the investment and commercial banks were over 9%. That pretty much neuters the living hell out of your argument because the private entities weren't required to do jack squat for affordable housing.

If you're going to make specious claims like this one about the Community Reinvestment Act, you should at least understand how the process worked. It didn't operate on private entities, just Fannie and Freddie. They weren't required to loan money, they were required to buy mortgages in order to securitize them for their collateralized loan obligations (issued since the 60s). Their underwriting standards clearly didn't change much over the years of the bubble because their default rate was far lower than their private counterparts. Given all of that, my guess is that you really have no clue what happened with the subprime crisis.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
57. I live in the real world.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:37 AM
Aug 2015

Something you are not acquainted with. A world that politicians pressure businesses to do things. They don't care what the law says. Move to Chicago where the real world operates. You will freak out.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
61. Awesome
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:00 AM
Aug 2015

Prove it. Show me how your quote unquote real world magically makes your right-wing talking point true. Please, lay it out and be specific. Name the banks. Name the politicians. Show me exactly how those lenders made the crisis happen by lending to poor black and Hispanic people. I patiently await your detailed response.




Man, I just have to laugh at your response. If you understood just 1/4 of what I wrote, you'd realize I was laying out a case for massive corruption. The fact you don't understand that at all tells me all about the world you inhabit.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
62. LOL
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:10 AM
Aug 2015

"massive corruption". I guess you don't know the majority of Chicago's Alderman have been sent to prison over the last 20 years. But tell me more.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
63. What's that saying?
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:20 AM
Aug 2015

Something about bullshit walks? You talk a good game, but I'm not seeing you back it up with any proof. Why is that?


Yeah, massive corruption. The subprime market was almost $2T. Chicago ain't shit next to that, chuckles.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
34. The only pressure exerted by the CRA was on discriminatory practices
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:53 AM
Aug 2015

like redlining. Nothing in the law allowed or encouraged lending to people who could not afford the loans. Rather, it encouraged investment in under-served communities

And FWIW, I spent years as a federal housing policy researcher.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
42. Banks were pressured by politicians to make loans
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 01:16 PM
Aug 2015

to "under served communities" So they made loans to people who they knew could not pay them back in order to avoid heat. If your research did not uncover this then it was bad research. That is what caused the housing bubble crisis.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
43. That's a marvelously uninformed opinion.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aug 2015

Nothing about the CRA pressured banks to make bad loans. Politicians aren't authorized by the CRA to pressure lenders, BTW. If a corrupt pol did that it wasn't because the CRA required it, which is what you implied above.

If you want to point the finger at a leading causing of the housing bubble, it's the poor underwriting standards used after mortgages were securitized.



former9thward

(32,025 posts)
44. I am from Chicago.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:42 PM
Aug 2015

So spare me the academic ivory tower nonsense. Politicians pressure business all over all of the time. And business owners are smart enough to know what happens if they don't comply.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
45. And politicians doing that are not the CRA regs,
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:20 PM
Aug 2015

a fact that keeps escaping your notice. Not to mention, your opinion on what may have happened somewhere in Chicago is not evidence.

"academic ivory tower nonsense" --- you are showing your lack of knowledge again.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
59. I don't do DU blue links.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:42 AM
Aug 2015

I learned that from from another poster who has disappeared. But thanks for trying.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
9. 1994 Bill Clinton Promotes "The National Home Ownership Strategies: Partners in the American Dream"
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

Bloomberg Business, Hot Property, "Bill Clinton's Drive to Increase Home Ownership Went Way Too Far", Posted by Peter Coy, Feb. 27, 2008.
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html

(Just don't call me Fannie)

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
28. And then.........
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:27 PM
Aug 2015

"This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country." - President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/achievement/chap7.html

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
30. Yes indeed W kept the housing bubble rolling. In 2006, Greenspan stepped down
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:58 PM
Aug 2015

early from the FED; Lehman Bros. CEO Richard Fuld cashed out $100 Mill that year; and some folks at Fraudie & Freddie 'left' that year and cashed out. Maybe they sensed something in the wind?

- Oct. 2008, Rep. Henry Waxman Grills Lehman Bros. CEO Rich. Fuld about $500 Million he made in salary, 2000-2007.

Days before becoming the largest bankruptcy in US history, Lehman steered millions to execs. while pleading for federal rescue. The stockholders rec'd. zero.



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. The US came out of a recession and entered a large free trade bloc
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

Simultaneously, the Fed decided to keep money cheap.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. do everything you can to keep a family home.even if it means double up in parents/grandparents home
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jul 2015

and working together to pay off early and fast as you can.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
48. Who actually wants to live like that?
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:45 PM
Aug 2015

I've got two sick parents. He'd rather die than depend on anyone, I think I'd kill her after a week, they despise each other and both of them worked too damn hard to wind up sharing a bathroom with their teenage grandson.

I'd rather live in the fucking woods.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
16. Kick. This is huge, reflects how abysmal our society is now and the 90s, 2000s housing boom
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:13 PM
Jul 2015

and bust, big time.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
18. looking at the graph
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jul 2015

it appears to me that we are approaching the historical norm after a significant run up (for many reasons: some good, some bad).

I predict that there will be a drop to underneath the historical average and then bounce back to the historical average of between 63% and 65%.

This, of course, will be greatly influenced by millennials and how long it will take for them to jump into the housing market.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
25. Yes, you can do a lot with graphs
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:08 PM
Aug 2015

Stretch them out, compress them, make them look as alarming or insignificant as you want. Considering how many people lost their homes or walked away from underwater mortgages, I'm surprised the numbers aren't worse.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
29. In some areas, homes aren't the investment they used to be.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:54 PM
Aug 2015

Granting that renting is throwing money down a hole without a return, it also doesn't put you in a position where you owe more then what the house is worth.

I'd rather rent then buy a house and know I won't get my money back on it if I choose to move.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
35. Rent isn't throwing money down a hole. It's payment for a product.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:58 AM
Aug 2015

Last edited Mon Aug 3, 2015, 08:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Homeownership can be either an investment with an appreciation or throwing money down a hole, and paying for it also acts as product payment too (IOW, rent or own, you're paying for a place to live which is the immediate use.)

There are rent vs. own calculators out there and sometimes renting IS the better move from a financial standpoint.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
46. Absolutely
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:26 PM
Aug 2015

As a single person, it would make sense for me to buy a condo or town home, but the only affordable ones here are very old and the resale value here isn't very good. Even a small house is really more than I need, and since my income has gone up and down over the last 10 years, I wouldn't want to commit to payments I may not be able to make in the future. Plus the standard deuction is so high now that there really would be any tax benefit. My apartment is cheap, safe and quiet.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
36. Us young people
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:11 AM
Aug 2015

aren't getting paid enough to buy a home, much less rent. Plus were not interesting in living in some house on a cul-de-sac anyway. My 600 sq foot studio apartment works just fine for me. I have a laundromat, an Aldi's, a Rite-Aid and several local businesses lined on a nearby Main Street I can walk to plus a nature trail I can jog and bike on; plus the area I live in his dense enough to not need a car all the time. I know most people my age feel the same about living in a area without depending on the car. We'd rather live in an affordable apartment than some big old house far off from our jobs anyway.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
37. Median house prices in Morgantown, WV, where I live...
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:54 AM
Aug 2015

are around $239K. You read that right. In Morgantown, West freaking Virginia. For $100K you can buy a real piece of shit that needs a ton of work...
Try being a professor on one salary making $50K with student loans. No way to afford that. And then there's the rental market, which is way overvalued for slum conditions.

Yeah, I hate where I live. But the academic market dictates it...

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
47. College towns are weird.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:31 PM
Aug 2015

The best way to keep their housing affordable is to make sure there's enough on-campus housing for students. Once off-campus rates start getting set by overgrown teenagers living two to a room the housing prices reflect overheated rents rather than the incomes of live-in tenants.

But a friend of mine lives in a one stoplight WV town way up near the PA border, and she is- no joke- seriously considering moving home to CA because houses are cheaper and the schools are better.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
50. She may not live to far from me.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:31 PM
Aug 2015

The schools are meh, the houses are dilapidated pieces of crap, and everything else is expensive. I fill up my tank in WV and then high-tail it to NJ and hope I can fill up when I get there, because it's a LOT cheaper for gas near my mom's.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
56. Yeah. I have a decent sized house for the price of a parking space in the city
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:40 AM
Aug 2015

Wages are lower here but they're not *that* much lower.

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