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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:38 PM Jul 2015

Russia Suspends Black Player For Flipping Off Fans Making Monkey Chants

Source: Deadspin

One of Russia’s many problems is racism. And not just the quiet, personal racism you find everywhere in Europe; also the kind of blatant, in-your-face sort that ... you also find most everywhere in Europe. Take, for instance, the upheld suspension of Ghanaian-born midfielder Emmanuel Frimpong, who was punished for showing his middle finger and cussing at fans who were loudly making monkey noises aimed at him.

Earlier in the week, Frimpong posted the following video on Twitter, showing what had provoked him in the midst of a Russian Premier League game against Spartak Moscow:

For his behavior, the Russian soccer authorities (the RFU) punished him with a two-match suspension. Frimpong was fine with that result, admitting that no matter how much derision he took on the pitch, he should not have responded the way he did. (This in itself is asking way more self-control of an athlete than is reasonable, but whatever.)

What he wasn’t okay with was the investigation into the fans’ behavior. While deciding on Frimpong’s punishment, the RFU concluded that there wasn’t any evidence of racist behavior against the midfielder.

Read more: http://screamer.deadspin.com/russia-suspends-black-player-for-flipping-off-fans-maki-1719841037

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longship

(40,416 posts)
5. I like how they handle it in Australia.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:06 AM
Jul 2015

Adam Goodes, star of the Sydney Swans football club, calls out a fan in the stand for a racist slur. Goodes is a native Aussie and is one the greats in Aussie football.

Here's the video. See what happens.



Hint: the racist is escorted out of the stadium. Near the end of the short video.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. Visited Moscow and St Petersburg 4 years ago. They are the "whitest" major cities
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:22 AM
Jul 2015

I have ever seen. Certainly different from an American city but also from any large city in Europe.

Saw an interesting newspaper article in an English-language newspaper in Moscow that expressed concern for "Caucasian" immigration to Russia. I thought that was a welcome change from the conservatives' concern here for the immigration of minorities, until I read the article. The concern was for immigrants from the Caucus mountain region, e.g. Chechnya, who are largely Muslims.

Traditionally, Russian racism included antisemitism, as well as hostility towards various ethnicities of Caucasus and Central Asia.

In Russia, the word "Caucasian" is a collective term referring to anyone descended from the native ethnic groups of the Caucasus. In Russian slang, Caucasian peoples are called black, despite the fact that almost all of them are white-skinned, this name calling comes from their darker features (hair and eyes). Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the rise of the Muslim population in Russia and the Second Chechen War, many Russian radical nationalists have associated Islam and Muslims with terrorism and domestic crimes.

After it was announced that Russia will host 2018 FIFA World Cup, a head of UEFA FARE Monitoring Centre, Dr Rafał Pankowski accused the Russian Football Union of downplaying racist chants in stadiums, saying: “Nazi slogans are common in many Russian stadiums. Matches are often interrupted with racist chants aimed at black players.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia#Peoples_of_the_Caucasus

Igel

(35,337 posts)
9. "Caucasian" is also the collective term in English for peoples from the Caucasus.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

In fact, an old view that all the Indo-Europeans started in the Caucasus helped give the name "Caucasian" to whites. Pushkin wrote a story called Kavkazskii plennik, which is usually translated something like "Captive of the Caucasus" instead of "Caucasian Captive" to avoid confusion.

Of course, fairly quickly the word spread to other language families, so that all Semitic speakers were also Caucasians.

Ethiopians and Somalis are Semitic speakers ("Semite" at one time also had the meaning "Semitic speaker&quot , so that Ethiopians and Somalis were considered Caucasians, as well.

The word's otherwise shifted in meaning. Nobody seriously believes that all Caucasians originated in the Caucasus; nor that Ethiopians and Somalis were phenotypically of Caucasian racial stock, even though they still are Semitic speaking. Caucasians actually speak, well, mostly Caucasian languages, with some of the most complex consonant systems around (but often simplified vowel systems). The S. Ossetians are Caucasians but nonetheless Aryans in the older linguistic sense. They were SW Indo-European speakers, their language fairly closely related to Iranian languages; of course, "Iran" is ethymologically the same word as "Aryan". The Ossetians were the Sarmatians, perhaps Scythians, of yore.

As for Russian, chernyi means "black," but in a lot of cases it still just means "dark". I think of it as "swarthy" and if you're well tanned you're "dark". It's like Shulamith in the Song of Solomon, she worked in the fields so she wasn't fair. It's found not just in "black-and-white" tv but also in "back staircase" and "dirty work" and can mean "shifty"--and has for centuries. An old fashioned word for "asshole" (the actual opening) was "black hole", which was how some Russian astrophysicists took to referring to point singularities with gravitational fields strong enough to prevent light from escaping, and we anglophones picked up the word. I find that amusing. Even more amusing is the fact that the slang term picked up at conferences, made into an official astronomy term in English, was then the official Russian astronomy term. I find that even more amusing.

Other color terms have also changed their meanings over the years. English had no good word for "orange"--it apparently wasn't important to distinguish between orange and red until the 1600s. "Brown," IIRC, started off meaning "bright" and then moved to meaning "dark" before settling on the color we call brown now centuries ago. There's a whole typology of color systems--if you only have 4 color words, what are they going to be? If you have 5, how do you chop up the spectrum? Brown is not a common color; nor is orange.

A good example from Russian is "Red Square," which has nothing at all to do with "red". Krasivyi is the word for "pretty" or "beautiful." Notice that root, kras-. It shows up in words like krasit' "to paint, to color" and its derivatives. "Krasnyi" is the current word for "red"; but until the 1600s it just mean "pretty", as well. A house, an object could be krasnyi and completely not red.

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blackspade

(10,056 posts)
11. "there wasn’t any evidence of racist behavior "
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015

Other than the monkey noises....right.

Keep it classy Russian fans......

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. well.....
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jul 2015

is it any surprise that a black person is "punished" because he responded to whites who were racially profiling him? In this case they were trying to say he was a monkey, something the KKK did here a week or so ago at one of their confederate flag rallies.I watched the video, go find it if you want proof. Same, same mentality. Racist white americans, racist white europeans, in this case racist white russians.

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