Protesters clash over Confederate flag at Phoenix Walmart
Source: Associated Press
Protesters clash over Confederate flag at Phoenix Walmart
| July 6, 2015 | Updated: July 6, 2015 2:51pm
PHOENIX (AP) — Things got noisy outside a west Phoenix Walmart after the company's decision to remove Confederate flag merchandise attracted scores of protesters and counter-protesters.
The Arizona Republic reports (http://bit.ly/1JQp3vC ) that Jon Ritzheimer organized the Sunday afternoon protest of Walmart's decision. Ritzheimer is a former Marine who staged a contentious rally outside a Phoenix mosque in May.
His group of self-proclaimed "patriots," some of them armed, waved the rebel flag alongside the American one while chanting "U-S-A."
Counter-protesters clashed with Ritzheimer's group. They called the flag racist and lauded Walmart's decision to remove it from shelves.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Protesters-clash-over-Confederate-flag-at-Phoenix-6368848.php
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Which is to say, non sense at all 
Figures. He's loving the attention 
Such an ass. 
southern heritage :p
as far as I can tell, the people that did 'succeed' if you want to call what they did a legally binding succession ... none of their grievances with the united states had to do with slavery ... they had felt neglected for a long time by the federal government.
I know there were 'battles' and skirmishes in the territories and in Texas.. but did those troops actually come from the state they were fighting in ?
id kinda doubt it .. given they were being attacked by native Americans (apache) regularly 
btw, heres a picture of the 'separated' area :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Arizona#/media/File:Wpdms_arizona_new_mexico_territories_1863_idx.png
also, didn't know this myself but... turns out the union troops sent to fight in the territories mostly came from California volunteers 
U.S.
Seems like it might be fun to get a swastika on a flag, maybe an ISIS flag, big, big signs that say FUCK THE USA!
and join them - say" I thought this was for people who fought against this country".
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Probably ought to make sure there are tv cameras around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_the_Confederate_flag
During the first half of the 20th century, the Confederate flag enjoyed renewed popularity. During World War II some U.S. military units with Southern nicknames, or made up largely of Southerners, made the flag their unofficial emblem. The USS Columbia flew a Confederate Navy Ensign as a battle flag throughout combat in the South Pacific in World War II. This was done in honor of Columbia, the ship's namesake and the capital city of South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. Some soldiers carried Confederate flags into battle. After the Battle of Okinawa a Confederate flag was raised over Shuri Castle by a Marine from the self-styled "Rebel Company" (Company A of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines). It was visible for miles and was taken down after three days on the orders of General Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (son of Confederate general Simon Buckner, Sr.), who stated that it was inappropriate as "Americans from all over are involved in this battle". It was replaced with the regulation, 48-star flag of the United States.[4] By the end of World War II, the use of the Confederate flag in the military was rare.[5]
While some extremist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations have embraced the Confederate flag in the past, the KKK has also adopted the U.S. flag and Christian crosses as symbols. However, many Southerners do not consider the flag an expression of racism or indicator of membership in extremist groups. They regard the Confederate flag as a symbol of state sovereignty and an honorable tribute to the men who fought and died to protect their homeland from invasion by the federalist North.
Asked whether an exception might be made for a Marine recruit who could provide a full explanation on the meaning of his tattoo as an expression of Southern pride, the recruiter explained, “At this point in time, no. If it can be construed by anyone as being racially biased, then right now it’s a flat-out denial.”
He acknowledged that the tattoo is quite popular in the South and that recruitment has been impacted by the ban on Confederate-flag tattoos, but he explained that the policy has been set by Headquarters Marine Corps.
Headquarters Marine Corps has not responded to WND’s requests for clarification of the policy.
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“I informed the young sergeant that my family had defended the state of Tennessee (also his home state) against a sadistic invasion under that flag and to call our sacred flag of honor a ‘hate symbol’ was an insult to all southerners, but especially to those southerners who had risked or even given their lives in service to the Marine Corps. Southerners had served at Belleau Woods, at Tarawa and Iwo Jima, at Inchon and the Chosin Reservoir, and at Khe Sanh and Hue City, but now we are no longer wanted in the politically correct, don’t-offend-any-minorities military?”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2010/05/149729/#66XZVXVjfMBSPlIv.99
The less than one percent would love to keep the people operating from a mindset of fear/hatred to maintain a divisive advantage over reason and faith, divide, distract and conquers is their modus operandi whether they're based in the North or South.
The flag isn't the danger, it's the sword.
who are the arms and eyes and ears for them. La Boetie pointed that out in 1550 that the tyrant only has the wealth we gave them, and only two arms, legs, eyes - without all that assistance they could not do what they do.
He said that someone coming from a foreign land and hearing this would not believe that the people would thus consent and make possible their own servitude.
And here we are today.
Boetie said the solution is to stop giving it to them and they will fall of their own weight. We almost broke free for a few Progressive years early in the last century, but then began sliding backwards again.
Part of that is getting too comfortable with things that can't be mis-interpreted. Like the flag of racists, thugs, and murderers wanting to remember their good times.
I see no reason to grant them that comfort.
and colored by the prism in which you view that object, which in turn translates to your opinion of the content of their character and motivation for doing so, that's the point.
You referred to Nazi Germany and equated it to the Confederacy, you stated that Germans don't go around flying the Nazi Flag to honor the sacrifice of their war dead, as it's illegal per your own post, they have no choice, why then make such a statement unless you're advocating scrapping the 1st Amendment? Otherwise it's irrelevant to the discussion, apples and beach balls.
Many Nazi soldiers "sacrificed" themselves as well. According to Der Spiegel, 3 million German soldiers lost their lives during WWII on the Easter Front alone.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-tracing-its-war-dead-from-world-war-ii-a-832063.html
That doesn't mean Germans go around flying the Nazi flag to "honor" the "sacrifice" of the war dead. In fact, it is illegal to fly a Nazi flag in Germany.
http://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2010/02/despite-banning-nazi-symbols-germanys-constitution-and-legal-tradition-complicat
Who cares that some Southerners at the time thought the North had started the war? At the time of WWII, some Nazi soldiers thought Jews were sub-human. Ignorance is no excuse in either case.
The whole Civil War was tragic. People died. But the Civil War was 150+ years ago now. No one is "mourning' any "war dead" anymore because there is no one alive today who was alive in 1865. The fact is: The South lost. Wars have consequences. One of the consequences of the Civil War is that the SOUTH LOST. Get over it and put the flag away.
Regarding Point 1 of your U.S. Flag Vietnam analogy.
The Confederate Battle Flag or Southern Cross; the one most often flown today was the flag flown by the Confederate Soldiers and Navy, and it was their flag, the Confederate Government never adopted it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
Designed by William Porcher Miles, the chairman of the Flag and Seal committee, a now-popular variant of the Confederate flag was rejected as the national flag in 1861. It was instead adopted as a battle flag by the Army of Northern Virginia under General Robert E. Lee.[31] Despite never having historically represented the CSA as a country nor officially recognized as one of the national flags, it is commonly referred to as "the Confederate Flag" and has become a widely recognized symbol of the American south.[32] It is also known as the rebel flag, Dixie flag, and Southern cross and is often incorrectly referred to as the "Stars and Bars".[33] (The actual "Stars and Bars" is the first national flag, which used an entirely different design.) The self-declared Confederate exclave of Town Line, New York, lacking a genuine Confederate flag, flew a version of this flag prior to its 1946 vote to ceremonially rejoin the Union.
Regarding point 2 of your Vietnam Flag analogy
The United States is one nation, North, South, East and West, we're family. We remain a national family due in large part to the (faith) power of the 1st Amendment, the vast majority of people flying or supporting the Confederate Flag know this and they fly it for many reasons, some are racists, of this there is no doubt but the same can be said for flyers of the Stars and Stripes as anyone can see just up thread, however most flyers or supporters do so to honor the horrific sacrifice from the Civil War, they're lovers of history, or just identifying themselves with a region of the nation from which they're proud to live in, whether you agree with them or not.
Of course my question to you wasn't about the U.S. Flag it was about the Vietnam Memorial.
