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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:10 AM Jun 2015

Supreme Court Allows Use of Execution Drug

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled on Monday against three death row inmates who had sought to bar the use of an execution drug they said risked causing excruciating pain.

The drug, the sedative midazolam, played a part in three long and apparently painful executions last year. It was used in an effort to render inmates unconscious before they were injected with other, severely painful drugs.

Four condemned inmates in Oklahoma challenged the use of the drug, saying it did not reliably render the person unconscious and so violated the Eighth Amendment’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment. Lower courts disagreed.

Oklahoma and several other states started to use midazolam in executions after manufacturers in Europe and the United States refused to sell them the barbiturates that were traditionally used to produce unconsciousness.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/us/supreme-court-execution-drug.html



Figures Alito would write this decision. Mr. 'shakes his head at the President' is a monster.

Anyway, execution and prisons are big business. The conservative majority rules for profit, again.
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Supreme Court Allows Use of Execution Drug (Original Post) onehandle Jun 2015 OP
not surprising. The courts have accepted barbarity as usual for a very long time. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #1
Just bring back firing squads. Or hire a professional beheaded from Saudi Arabia. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #2
"...hire a professional beheaded from Saudi Arabia." KansDem Jun 2015 #6
Guillotine: quick and mostly foolproof Retrograde Jun 2015 #19
Then up the dosage you lamebrains! Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #3
The conservatives are disgusting yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #7
I think we all agree that Republicans threaten the very existence of the US. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #13
It's totally sickening that a 'civilized' society still executes prisoners groundloop Jun 2015 #4
We aren't as advanced a society as we like to think we are davidn3600 Jun 2015 #5
Why is Alito in your view the only "monster"? Kevonio Jun 2015 #8
Alito wrote the decision. Who said Alito is the "only" monster? uppityperson Jun 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #18
You know anyone can reply to anyone else on a message board, right? cyberswede Jun 2015 #22
Why cant they use heroin? maveric Jun 2015 #10
maveric, I was just going to suggest that. 1 big painless shot and gone. Nevada Blue Jun 2015 #12
What is used to put down animals? 7962 Jun 2015 #11
alternatives Fluothane Jun 2015 #16
Good idea. MAkes a lot of sense. And while I know you're being serious, 7962 Jun 2015 #21
The fact that they were debating how to kill someone d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #14
We HAVE to kill these people to jomin41 Jun 2015 #15
In other news... LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #20
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Just bring back firing squads. Or hire a professional beheaded from Saudi Arabia.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

The death penalty is violence, it's killing a human being.

Lethal injection is about sanitizing the process, no icky blood to make a mess, etc.

If people want the death penalty, make it as painless as possible for the person on the wrong end of the sentence, and as uncomfortable as possible for the society enforcing it.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
6. "...hire a professional beheaded from Saudi Arabia."
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

Would an H-1B visa be required?

"...bring back firing squads."

Actually, this is doable. When Gary Gilmore was executed in Utah in 1976, there were more than enough volunteers for the firing squad--

But when Utah executed a Death Row inmate by firing squad four decades ago, citizens felt very differently about it. In 1976, when Gary Mark Gilmore was sentenced to death by firing squad, TIME reported that dozens of men were calling the Utah state prison warden asking to be one of the shooters. Gilmore, then 35, was a long-time resident of criminal-justice institutions, starting with a reformatory at age 14; in 1975, he killed a gas-station attendant and a motel clerk, apparently without motive. And, when his lawyers appealed, he tried to force them not to. His execution was to be the nation’s first after the Supreme Court lifted a decade-long moratorium on the death penalty.

Time


Utah uses five shooters.

Retrograde

(10,153 posts)
19. Guillotine: quick and mostly foolproof
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

Extremely messy, but if you're going to have the death penalty you might as well go all-out.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
3. Then up the dosage you lamebrains!
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

If you make it big enough they will go unconscious. Make it bigger and they will die a peaceful death. But, I guess they want them to suffer.

Inject 100mg of Lorazapam into the blood stream. Patient passes out immediately. Dead about a half hour later. No pain whatsoever. But I guess they want them to suffer.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
7. The conservatives are disgusting
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

They recommend doing the procedure that a late term abortion does. I hate them because they are clueless.

Response to uppityperson (Reply #9)

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
22. You know anyone can reply to anyone else on a message board, right?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jun 2015

Your question to onehandle is fallacious, which is probably why he didn't reply to you.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
11. What is used to put down animals?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jun 2015

We'd never allow our pets to suffer when they have to be put down, so why not use whatever THAT drug is ata higher dose?
How about carbon monoxide? They call it the "silent killer" because you dont know you're going to die. Why not use that?

 

Fluothane

(32 posts)
16. alternatives
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jun 2015

I think the problem is not necessarily the dose, but more related to the "practitioner" that is administering the drug. Many of these "botched" cases are a result of the drugs not being administered intravenously. Intramuscular or intradermal injections of midazolam and hydromorphone are not too painful, however IM potassium feels like FIRE. Nurses and physician are not the ones starting the intravenous lines. It is typically just some dude off the street who watched a youtube video and now he is the new director of the prison IV/PICC team. Occasionally paramedics are used, but I question how often they actually starting IV's outside of that setting.

A nitrogen gas chamber is a much more humane way to kill these people in states that feel the need to do this sort of thing. It is painless, quick and removes the question of whether or not you have a working IV. I would also bet that it would save the state money as nitrogen is obviously readily available.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. Good idea. MAkes a lot of sense. And while I know you're being serious,
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jun 2015

I busted out laughing at this line:"...typically just some dude off the street who watched a youtube video and now he is the new director of the prison IV/PICC team"
That was gold.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
17. In other news...
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jun 2015

ISIS has decided after beheading, fire, crucifixion, and drowning, that they have decided to ....not change anything either.

Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #17)

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