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Eugene

(61,939 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:51 AM Jun 2015

UAE sentences Emirati woman to death for killing U.S. teacher: TV

Source: Reuters

A United Arab Emirates (UAE) court sentenced an Emirati woman to death on Monday for killing an American teacher in December, al Arabiya television reported.

The woman, said by police to have become radicalized over the internet, killed a kindergarten teacher identified as Romanian-born Ibolya Ryan, a mother of 11-year-old twins, by stabbing her in a toilet at an Abu Dhabi shopping mall. Arabiya did not name the woman, but UAE media have named her as Ala'a Badr Abdullah al-Hashemi, aged 30.

(Reporting by Maha El Dahan, Editing by William Maclean)


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/29/us-emirates-usa-killing-idUSKCN0P90XV20150629



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UAE sentences Emirati woman to death for killing U.S. teacher: TV (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2015 OP
Good cosmicone Jun 2015 #1
agreed samsingh Jun 2015 #2
UAE are the radicals JonLP24 Jun 2015 #4
I am not disagreeing with you cosmicone Jun 2015 #5
Have you heard of C Street or "The Family"? Inhofe? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #6
Unfortunately, I don't have time to read your dissertations and treatises posted here cosmicone Jun 2015 #7
Work there extensively? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #8
Incredible -- Rueters is covering an execution in the Arabian Peninsula JonLP24 Jun 2015 #3

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. UAE are the radicals
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jun 2015

The effect of your support (difference than the cause of your support -- whatever it is) is clearly more radicals. More poverty more war instead of political solutions but political solutions don't sell weapons in any case the best way to achieve the result you're looking for is to take the Saudi out of Saudi Arabia.

BTW the Ottoman Empire tried that, they're still here

Ottoman–Wahhabi War

<snip>

Amir ‘Abd Allah, as head of the Wahhabi state, was sent for execution to Istanbul, while most of the political leaders were treated well. The empire was far more harsh with the religious leaders that inspired the Wahhabi movement. The execution of Sulayman ibn ‘Abd Allah and other religious notables reflects the resentment of these extremist views. Religious leaders were thought to be uncompromising in their beliefs and therefore a much bigger threat than political leaders.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War

Didn't work though Britain has A LOT to do with that. They backed them and had control of Jordan at crucial times such as the 1918 when the Wahhabis took back control of Mecca (which was taken from them several times like the above, for example).

This really isn't difficult information to find. Incredibly easy actually

United Arab Emirates

The UAE has extensive diplomatic and commercial relations with other countries. It plays a significant role in OPEC and the UN, and is one of the founding members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).

The UAE was one of only three countries to recognise the Taliban as Afghanistan's legitimate government (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were the other two countries).[79] The UAE maintained diplomatic relations with the Taliban until 11 September attacks in 2001. The UAE has long maintained close relations with Egypt and remains the biggest investor in that country from the rest of the Arab world.[80] Pakistan was the first country to formally recognize the UAE upon its formation and continues to be one of its major economic and trading partners; about 400,000 Pakistani expatriates are employed in the UAE.[81]
Minister of Foreign Affairs Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, 2013

The UAE spends more than any other country in the world to influence U.S. policy and shape domestic debate,[82] and it pays former high-level government officials who worked with it to carry out its agenda within the U.S.[82] The largest expatriate presence in the UAE is Indian.[83][84] Following British withdrawal from the UAE in 1971 and the establishment of the UAE as a state, the UAE disputed rights to a number of islands in the Persian Gulf against Iran. The UAE went so far as to bring the matter to the United Nations, but the case was dismissed.[85] The dispute has not significantly impacted relations because of the large Iranian community presence and strong economic ties.[86]

<adding this for revelancy as to she become radicalized over the internet claim>

Stoning is a legal punishment in the UAE. In May 2014, an Asian housemaid was sentenced to death by stoning in Abu Dhabi.[118][119][120] In 2006, an expatriate was sentenced to death by stoning for committing adultery.[121] Between 2009 and 2013, several people were sentenced to death by stoning.[104][122][123]

Apostasy is a crime punishable by death in the UAE.[125][126] UAE incorporates hudud crimes of Sharia into its Penal Code – apostasy being one of them.[127] Article 1 and Article 66 of UAE's Penal Code requires hudud crimes to be punished with the death penalty,[127][128] therefore apostasy is punishable by death in the UAE.

Kissing in public is illegal and can result in deportation.[129] Expats in Dubai have been deported for kissing in public.[130][131][132] In Abu Dhabi, people have been sentenced to 80 lashes for kissing in public.[133]

Homosexuality is illegal: homosexuality is a capital offense in the UAE.[134][135] In 2013, an Emirati man was on trial for being accused of a "gay handshake".[135] Article 80 of the Abu Dhabi Penal Code makes sodomy punishable with imprisonment of up to 14 years, while article 177 of the Penal Code of Dubai imposes imprisonment of up to 10 years on consensual sodomy.[136]

Amputation is a legal punishment in the UAE due to the Sharia courts.[137][138][139][140][141] Crucifixion is a legal punishment in the UAE.[142][143][144] Article 1 of the Federal Penal Code states that "provisions of the Islamic Law shall apply to the crimes of doctrinal punishment, punitive punishment and blood money."[145] The Federal Penal Code repealed only those provisions within the penal codes of individual emirates which are contradictory to the Federal Penal Code. Hence, both are enforceable simultaneously.[146]

<snip>

UAE has escaped the Arab Spring; however, more than 100 Emirati activists were jailed and tortured because they sought reforms.[57][152][153] Since 2011, the UAE government has increasingly carried out forced disappearances.[154][155][156][157][158][159] Many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been arrested and abducted by the state, the UAE government denies these people are being held (to conceal their whereabouts), placing these people outside the protection of the law.[153][155][160] According to Human Rights Watch, the reports of forced disappearance and torture in the UAE are of grave concern.[156]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates#Politics

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
5. I am not disagreeing with you
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jun 2015

The Islamic fundamentalism is fueled and supported by the Saudis, however, it takes a certain mindset to be a fundamentalist such as

1. A belief that one's way is superior
2. The non-believers have perpetually victimized the superior way and such victimization/ridicule should not be tolerated
3. Some book that is thousands of years old has all the answers
4. The believers have had enough and they have to kill the non-believers to attain heaven (in whatever form)

While all religions have people with this kind of a mindset it is far far more prevalent in the Islamic populations. The fundamentalists of all religions are so "out there" that there is no way to rehabilitate them -- death penalty is the most effective solution. Temporarily, this creates more fundamentalists but it becomes a rapidly decreasing geometric curve as more and more are eliminated.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. Have you heard of C Street or "The Family"? Inhofe?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jun 2015

I'll start with what has been in the news recently

HBO’s VICE Goes to Uganda to Witness U.S. Evangelical-Led Homophobia in Action

Friday night’s episode of VICE on HBO featured a disturbing segment on the anti-gay climate in Uganda and how it was in large part inspired by American evangelical Christians. (Remember: This is the country that once considered a bill that could apply the death penalty to homosexuals. I think Christians refer to that as “loving the sinners.”)



In the VICE episode, [Member of Parliament David] Bahati refuses to name any one of his American partners, but [U.S. Senator James] Inhofe is clearly one. Also among Bahati’s supporters and partners are Scott Lively, Pastor Rick Warren, Sharon Slater, and the World Congress of Families. And Bahati makes clear he and his country support the culture these American Christian extremists have brought to Uganda — one that teaches, falsely, that gay people are all pedophiles, homosexuality is a choice, it is evil, and children must be protected from it at all costs.



Even after the sexual affairs of several congressmen brought the Fellowship (and its D.C. residence on C Street) into the light, most Americans have still never heard of this elitist fundamentalist organization. Even those who have will have trouble getting their heads around a mostly faceless organization whose goal is to convert the world to a trickle-down Christianity, as Sharlet calls it, where God has chosen the leaders (them) and everyone else follows. With our leaders somehow prechosen, it makes it easier to forgive their transgressions (the Fellowship, for example, has no problem working with heads of state like Haiti’s Papa Doc Duvalier and those in present-day Uganda, who advocate the death penalty for homosexuals).That this heavily financed, multilayered organization has been operating for decades—and today is actively implanted within the U.S. military—makes this well-documented, probing investigation even more mind-bending. Mostly, those in the Fellowship don’t talk. Maybe now the discussion will start. HIGH-DEMAND BACKSTORY: When the affairs of Fellowship members Senator John Ensign R-Nev. and South Carolina governor Mark Sanford broke, Sharlet’s book The Family became a best-seller. His follow-up is sure to attract similar attention. --Ilene Cooper --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fundamentalist-Threat-American-Democracy/dp/B0062GLZEQ

The Fellowship, also known as The Family,[2][3][4] and the International Foundation[5] is a U.S.-based religious and political organization founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide. The stated purpose of the Fellowship is to provide a fellowship forum for decision makers to share in Bible studies, prayer meetings, worship experiences, and to experience spiritual affirmation and support.[6][7]

The organization has been described as one of the most politically well-connected ministries in the United States. The Fellowship shuns publicity and its members share a vow of secrecy.[8] The Fellowship's leader Doug Coe and others have explained the organization's desire for secrecy by citing biblical admonitions against public displays of good works, insisting they would not be able to tackle diplomatically sensitive missions if they drew public attention.[8]

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, including President Barack Obama, has participated in at least one National Prayer Breakfast during his term.[9][10][11][12]

The Fellowship's known participants include ranking United States government officials, corporate executives, heads of religious and humanitarian aid organizations, and ambassadors and high-ranking politicians from across the world.[2][13][14][15][16] Many United States Senators and Congressmen who have publicly acknowledged working with the Fellowship or are documented as having worked together to pass or influence legislation.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29

I'll say it is frustrating when people say this is the way Muslims or this is far, far more prevalent but fail to understand the Wahhabi (a movement started in the 18th century) received assistance to divide and conquer the Ottoman Empire but they gained control of Mecca & Medina (which they have bulldozed) which gives them significant political power even though the Hajj is opposed by the Wahhabi doctrine (they couldn't credibly prevent worship but they certainly made efforts to regulate it to the point of moving Muhammad's grave to an undisclosed location after desecrating his immediate family's grave when they first controlled the area). The California Oil Company (Chevron) finding oil leading to petrodollars giving the wealthy Saudi elite (that exploit the cheapest labor money can buy) have unthinkable amounts of money to "invest" because they certainly aren't using to pay labor they do but rip them off first with bait-and-switch recruiting fees. They have already had propaganda going a century go portraying themselves as to something they are not.

What Wahhabism is a far right movement like Hitler and countless other things like the right wing militias we have at home bombing an IRS building in Austin or killing officers followed by planting the "Don't Tread on Me" flag. What either or any of the religions don't use what is the book or use what they can to twist & manipulate but very selective cherry picking is forming their own doctrine and this movement has primarily been waged against Muslims. Anyone that doesn't fit into their narrowly defined parameters is risking execution but more than it is about control. What the US & every Western muliti-national under the sun has been doing is giving them more power with the arms, taking their side in disputes, lying & covering up for them. Mostly they just omit what is going on because of the profits with trafficked labor.

What this has created is situations where the people are in poverty, the wealth is in the hands of few, they are killed for opposition because no matter how many BS religious justifications are the #1 rule, the most important rule is don't criticize the Wahhabis in charge. Saudi Arabia put the man mentioned in my signline on display with a public crucifixion. Now its we are better than them but what is really going on. I think Mr. Hempher may have the answers.

So on "mindset" what is your point? Crusades? You do realize that may take awhile? But it makes no sense increase the power of the idealogy while going around executing poverty stricken Muslims duped into joining a destructive cult because of the poverty, brutal oppression, etc


Have you talked to, met, got to know Muslims in Malaysia, India, Bangladesh, the troubled countries, talk to the people, the refugees, the ones being oppressed? The vast majority the 99%? In sheer numbers Muslims did most of the work for "Operation Iraqi Freedom" but they didn't have a choice in the matter. Not all were Muslims but they clearly did all the labor jobs & they transported most of the supplies in military convoys (5 M915 A2s with a trailer with 25-30 fiberglass semis Mercedes Benz with no armor or weapon for 5,000 and some change?

A U.S. Fortress Rises in Baghdad:
Asian Workers Trafficked to Build World's Largest Embassy

Not one of the five different US embassy sites he had worked on around the world compared to the mess he describes. Armenia, Bulgaria, Angola, Cameroon and Cambodia all had their share of dictators, violence and economic disruption, but the companies building the embassies were always fair and professional, he says. The Kuwait-based company building the $592-million Baghdad project is the exception. Brutal and inhumane, he says “I’ve never seen a project more fucked up. Every US labor law was broken.”

<snip>

By March 2006, First Kuwaiti’s operation began looking even sketchier to Owens as he boarded a nondescript white jet on his way back to Baghdad following some R&R in Kuwait city. He remembers being surrounded by about 50 First Kuwaiti laborers freshly hired from the Philippines and India. Everyone was holding boarding passes to Dubai – not to Baghdad.

“I thought there was some sort of mix up and I was getting on the wrong plane,” says the 48-year-old Floridian who once worked as a fisherman with his father before moving into the construction business.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14173

Most were Muslim, Hinduism was common with many Nepalis, a variety of religions. Black-market alcohol could be purchased from one but it was like $60 for a water bottle of the worst tasting liquor but they wouldn't take a chance at the Kuwaiti border crossing because the military was waved ahead but had to wait while guards searched their vehicles. They were also the primary targets for truck hijackings and small arms fires (this one guy has bullet holes shred all the tires and an entry one inch in the floor below his foot) The bullets have no effect on the level 3 armor. They were also treated disrespectfully by many of the Americans & treated as if potential terrorists "watch the TCNs" was a detail on missions where troops went to the tents or trailers in a convoy stop except the TCNs had to stay in the truck staging area -- take water bottle showers. Didn't have bad attitudes or anything, offering tea is a very common offer which a no is followed by another offer which 2 nos is considered rude. (the bottom of shoe is like a FU think of when the journalist threw his shoes at Bush).

So right now what the impression thanks to media and so much misinformation is this perception but especially the Saudi influence of what is representative of a majority when they are a dominant minority. There are 50 Muslim majority countries. I'm not sure you're point but the US "interests" need rehabilitation but that is somehow disconnected despite the supporting the brutal human rights violators, trafficking arms at an alarming rate to the same people, while the people that live there have been treated very unjustly and unfairly since about the 17th-18th century (with the colonization underway and a whole lot of arrogance, greed, and power from nations intent on breaking up the domestic economic power.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
7. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read your dissertations and treatises posted here
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't disagree with you. There are fundamentalists in all religions but I will continue to maintain that they are far more prevalent in Islam.

As far as Uganda goes, I work there extensively and most of the people I talk to there think this war on gays is a political stunt and is quite stupid.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. Work there extensively?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jun 2015

What do you mean political stunt? So is that somehow different than what Saudi Arabia doing? A political stunt or what you're saying? What is the point in saying far more prevalent again with the war for the sake of profits (at the very least -- considering the torture aspect I'm beginning to think "war on terror" in reality is a religious persecution campaign (AKA crusades) but obviously he isn't going to say that but somehow try to tie Iraq to the War on Terror list a how bunch of countries except the one exporting (at-least 100s of billions spent) the ideology. Not to mention the hate crimes here yet the media is pushing this war on Christians very strongly. Do you really think they we trying to find out the "next attack" when they received reliable information from the lead CIA interrogator who left in 2005 but preferred to torture him giving him mental trauma and is still behind bars in Guantanamo? Either way what is this considered by you? Not the same as what is more prevalent in Islam?

Before the Saudi leaks (wondering why this spending for Wahabbi centers is being facilitated) I figured it was the profits & $$ the primary factor which I'm certain "freedom" (from Bush) is code for or rather he's talking about private business freedom rather than the people's freedoms but you have this going on in Uganda that is being financial & backed by Washington group including Inhofe who has visited Uganda 135+ times. There isn't a financial incentive to back an Army of Hate killing men & corrective raping women? Unlike the imported labor that endured over a decade of abuse & exploitation from the DoD, Ugandans were given more pay, weapon, armor, and guarded checkpoints.

Let me ask how would you achieve this goal? You do realize you expressed satisfaction over a story on a fundamentalist executing someone that was allowed to be shared with the press during 60,000+ document Saudi dump.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. Incredible -- Rueters is covering an execution in the Arabian Peninsula
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

UAE are good guys -- Not. Consider the media influence

Wikileaks: Saudi Arabia has bailed out failing Middle East media organizations in exchange for pro-Saudi coverage

BEIRUT (AP) — A financially troubled Lebanese TV network received a $2 million Saudi bailout in return for adopting a pro-Riyadh editorial policy.

A news agency in Guinea got a $2,000 gift, while small publications across the Arab world received tens of thousands of dollars in inflated subscription fees.

That's the picture that has emerged from Saudi diplomatic correspondence published by the WikiLeaks group, backing long-held suspicions the kingdom uses its oil wealth to buy influence with media and research centers across the Muslim world.

<snip>

Buying the support or silence of the media is not uncommon in the Arab world, where media institutions have long been dependent on handouts or perks from governments or wealthy patrons looking to promote their interests. However, the Saudi cables provide compelling, behind-the-scenes details of how it was done, complete with names, dates and payout amounts.

In many ways, the cables paint a picture of a Saudi Arabia taking advantage of media outlets struggling to survive to champion its policies or criticize its foes, including Iran, Lebanon's Iranian-backed Hezbollah or the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

In some cases, the cables shattered the long-held notion of a kingdom so awash in petrodollars that media outlets need only knock on the door to get a check. Instead, they showed the kingdom's leaders making sure that money yields results for the country.

For example, in 2012, the late King Abdullah approved a $2 million bailout for the Lebanese MTV network on condition it countered "media hostile to the kingdom" and invited "learned" Saudis as guests on talk shows, according to a series of cables.

The payout was whittled down from an initial request for $20 million by the station's director — and was less than half the $5 million recommended by the Saudi Foreign Ministry.

And tellingly, on a recommendation from Prince Saud al-Faisal, the kingdom's foreign minister for nearly 40 years before he stepped down in April, the money was disbursed in four installments over two years — thus allowing Saudi authorities to review every six months whether MTV was living up to its part of the deal.

http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-saudi-arabia-has-bailed-out-failing-middle-east-media-organizations-in-exchange-for-pro-saudi-coverage-2015-6

Though considering UAE they probably killed the woman and this is the person being sacrificied -- I like how the internet was the cause of it which helps support an internet ban too, especially right now.

The UAE's bizarre, political trial of 94 activists

A strange trial has opened in Abu Dhabi. For most of the past seven months, up to 70 of the 94 activists accused of plotting to overthrow the government of the United Arab Emirates have been held in secret detention.

It was only after their families threatened a sit-in that their relatives were brought to the court blindfolded, some showing obvious signs of torture, malnutrition and mistreatment. Some pleaded with their jailers to "give them the tablets". All were terrified to speak.

The evidence against them is also a mystery. The state prosecutor's file, which was only sent to the court a few days before the trial began, relies heavily on the forced confessions of two of the accused. On the first day, one of them, Ahmed Ghaith al-Suwaidi, had a dramatic change of heart. Denying the charges, he pleaded with the court to protect his family: "I know that what I am going to say may cost me my life, but I deny the charges and I ask the court to protect my life and the life of my family," he said, according to witnesses.

The accused come from all walks of Emirati life. The leader of the alleged plot, Sheikh Sultan bin Kayed al-Qassimi, is the cousin of the ruler and a member of one of the UAE's seven ruling families. There are three judges, two human rights defenders, lawyers, teachers, academics as well as students. The social spread of the group is at least consistent with the sweeping nature of the charge. The state hopes to convince the court that the members of the group were plotting to form nothing less than a parallel government.

Announcing the trial in January, the attorney general, Salem Saeed Kubaish, claimed that the group had sought to infiltrate schools, universities and ministries. Its "unannounced aims were to seize power and confront the main principles on which the ruling system is based", he said. The prosecutor claims that this secret society put its seditious purpose down on paper, but bizarrely admits that these "documents" have now been destroyed.

The trial is overtly political. At the very outset Dubai's voluble chief of police Dhahi Khalfan warned that all Gulf states faced an existential threat in the form of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood. The group from which most, but by no means all of the defendants come, al-Islah (which means reform), does not conceal its ideological sympathies with Egypt's ruling Islamist group.

Ahmed al-Nuaimi, a leader of al-Islah, whose brother Khaled is one of the 94, said: "Egypt is a republic where you can have established parties. But we are Bedouin and we agree to a ruling family leading the country. All we are saying is that it has to be done under a democratic system." Many other relatives of the accused also claim loyalty to al Nahayan, Abu Dhabi's ruling family.

To make its political demands crystal clear, al-Islah issued a second petition (the first kicked off the initial wave of arrests) on the eve of the trial. It grounded its demands in the UAE's constitution and the aims of the country's founding fathers. Those demands are not unusual in a post-Arab spring world – they want all members of the UAE's parliament, the Federal National Council, to be elected and to give that body full legislative and regulatory powers.

<snip>

The UAE, often described as one of the Gulf's most stable states, is acutely sensitive to its international image as a modern, advanced state. It acceded to the UN convention against torture in July last year, but refuses to allow the UN committee to investigate individual allegations of torture. The UAE government also made a reservation to the convention stating that "pain and suffering arising from lawful sanctions" did not, in its view, amount to torture. The trial itself was announced on the eve of a UN human rights review.

Both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International will have much to say to that review. Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director for HRW, feared the current trial would be a mockery of justice. Already the judicial process has raised serious concerns, including limiting access to lawyers and withholding key documents concerning charges and the evidence against them, she said.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/06/uae-trial-94-activists

Unfortunately people are going to fall for it.

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