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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 05:56 AM Jun 2015

Police union leader: Activists 'liars' and 'race-baiters'

Source: Associated Press

Police union leader: Activists 'liars' and 'race-baiters'
By CLAIRE GALOFARO, Associated Press | June 19, 2015 | Updated: June 19, 2015 8:03pm

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — For five days after an officer shot a Sudanese refugee on a Louisville street corner, small groups held vigils, stacked flowers on the sidewalk and took to social media to rant about the police.

That quiet response to the shooting ended Thursday night, when the president of the city's police union sent an open letter calling unspecified activists "sensationalists, liars and race-baiters," prompting widespread indignation and calls for his resignation.

In the two-page missive, Dave Mutchler, the president of the River City Fraternal Order of Police and a sergeant in the Louisville Metro Police Department, railed against a weak criminal justice system, promised officers would use deadly force against criminals with weapons and issued a call to supporters of law enforcement: "Soon, we may have to ask you to rise with us against the small, but very local group of people in our city who resist everything we all strive to attain," he wrote.

The city's mayor and police chief distanced themselves from his statement. Experts questioned his intentions.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Police-union-leader-Activists-liars-and-6338618.php

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Police union leader: Activists 'liars' and 'race-baiters' (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2015 OP
The 'distance' they should keep..... daleanime Jun 2015 #1
So when a UNION President tries to protect his UNION MEMBERS he should be FIRED??? happyslug Jun 2015 #3
He should be left in place.... daleanime Jun 2015 #4
So ANYTHING in support of a union is ok? cosmicone Jun 2015 #6
So a union president is free to slander others and you call that 'protecting' his union? sinkingfeeling Jun 2015 #8
As a seargent in a municipal police force LuvLoogie Jun 2015 #9
Kop unions exists for the sole purpose SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #11
only in your fantasy world can that 'two separate hats' delusion work pasto76 Jun 2015 #13
In what sense did this idiot support his UNION MEMBERS with this twaddle? frylock Jun 2015 #17
The man is calling for taking police action against citizens for speech. NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #22
My. We have got our panties in a knot now, don't we? nt bemildred Jun 2015 #2
WTF? ibewlu606 Jun 2015 #5
That is truly disturbing. myrna minx Jun 2015 #7
fire the police sargent. "ask you to rise with us against the small, but very local group of people" Sunlei Jun 2015 #10
Cop unions are aligned against the working people geek tragedy Jun 2015 #12
+1. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #14
Wisconsin is a fine example of your post. riversedge Jun 2015 #19
Despite criticism, FOP boss won't resign following controversial letter Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #15
These idiot assholes just cannot help but be idiot assholes frylock Jun 2015 #16
can the membership of the union strip him of his position. littlewolf Jun 2015 #18
Wow! That would be something, if it were true. The police wouldn't Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #20
This guy basically should have posted the Cartman image Blue_Adept Jun 2015 #21
There are a couple of people in this thread that get it.......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2015 #23
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
3. So when a UNION President tries to protect his UNION MEMBERS he should be FIRED???
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jun 2015

We are discussing the head of the POLICE UNION NOT a City official. Yes, he is also a Sergeant in the Police Force, but it is clear he is talking as head of the POLICE UNION NOT AS A POLICE SERGEANT. Thus this is the same as the head of any other union trying to protect his membership. Protecting his fellow union membership is one of his jobs. In my opinion he should be PRAISED for his actions.

Now, we may DISAGREE with what he is saying, and in my opinion if he had been a city official he should have been fired, but he is NOT a City Official he is the Police Union President.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. So ANYTHING in support of a union is ok?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jun 2015

Even a promise of violence and suppression of anti-Union speech?

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
9. As a seargent in a municipal police force
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jun 2015

he is ALWAYS resonsible for his conduct. His position on the police force trumps his union position. It's time to flush the KKK out of their city uniform disguises and back into their hoods and cloaks.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
11. Kop unions exists for the sole purpose
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

of protecting their members from the consequences of their actions.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
13. only in your fantasy world can that 'two separate hats' delusion work
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jun 2015

he is the union president AND a police sergeant. not "OR"

one of the biggest scams in my city is that the city council is also the utilities board. So, magically, in the middle of the city council meeting, they don new invisible hats and start acting 'in the best interests of ratepayers' - not politically motivated, elected officials.


how is calling any protestor a 'race baiter' OK in either perview?

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
22. The man is calling for taking police action against citizens for speech.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

It is a misuse of authority.

"If your behavior or untruths causes harm to us or the public, we will make every attempt to have you investigated, charged and prosecuted at the local, state or federal level," Mutchler wrote in his letter. "Your idiocy and lies are what caused the destruction in Ferguson and other cities around our country and we won't be tolerating that here."


That "we" is the police force. That is a clear Unconstitutional threat to chill free speech. Fire him right fucking now!
 

ibewlu606

(160 posts)
5. WTF?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 09:05 AM
Jun 2015

As a union member and leader, I am disgusted and ashamed that Mutchler would make such an inflammatory statement. He is not fit to represent his members.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. fire the police sargent. "ask you to rise with us against the small, but very local group of people"
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jun 2015

The police WORK FOR the local community.

Any "Frat president" who makes a statement like he did isn't serving the community.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Cop unions are aligned against the working people
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

and with the privileged and wealthy.

Their primary purpose is to help their members violate people's rights with impunity.

I support every union but cop unions. They can go to hell.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. Despite criticism, FOP boss won't resign following controversial letter
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) – A local police union chief said Friday he won't resign despite calls for him to step down following a controversial letter he distributed to media.

Dave Mutchler, president of the River City Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 614, released the open letter Thursday that attacked "sensationalists" who are "blind to reason" in response to a deadly police shooting in Old Louisville.

“This letter was honest and it was blunt,” Mutchler said.

On Friday, Louisville Police Chief Steve Conrad responded to Mutchler's letter with a statement of his own:

"I have read the recent letter from Dave Mutchler, the President of River City Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 614. I have also had the opportunity to speak with President Mutchler. He wrote this letter in his role as the FOP President. As the Chief of the Louisville Metro Police Department, I have a very different role. It is my job to work with the men and women of this department to do all we can to make Louisville a safer community. My most important job is to protect and serve the citizens of Louisville, and I do not believe this serves the interest of the community. To this end, we must always treat everyone with respect and dignity. By doing so, we earn their trust, which is essential to our success in policing this great community. We have seen far too much violence over the past few months! Now is the time for all of us to work together to truly make Louisville the kind of community we all want it to be."

Mutchler said at a hastily called news conference Friday afternoon that he won't step down, adding that the words in his letter represent the thoughts of many of his union members.

"Our goal is for the criminal element to say to themselves it would be much easier for us to go somewhere else," Mutchler said. "Nowhere in this letter did I threaten anyone or did I mean for anyone to feel threatened."

Mutchler then said he wasn't expecting the letter to cause such a big reaction. Even Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer on Thursday quickly denounced it, saying it does not reflect his sentiments or those of the vast majority of Louisville's citizens.

"My goal was not to start a conversation," Mutchler said Friday. "My goal was to let the public know how we as officers feel."

http://www.wave3.com/story/29361685/fop-leader-plans-to-answer-questions-about-controversial-letter

Arrogant bastard, like too many of them.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
18. can the membership of the union strip him of his position.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jun 2015

not a union member live in a RTW state …
so I do not know the rules ….

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
20. Wow! That would be something, if it were true. The police wouldn't
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 07:42 AM
Jun 2015

have the whole field to themselves. But to some extent, until Judgment Day, the good guys will always have to be
on the back-foot in terms of seeing the WestWorld cops and judicial authorities facing retribution. Then their condemnation will be eternal.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
21. This guy basically should have posted the Cartman image
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jun 2015

about respecting his authority and that's the end of the conversation on his part.

He wasn't looking to start a conversation. He was looking to establish his authority and that they should not be questioned no matter what they do.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
23. There are a couple of people in this thread that get it..........
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jun 2015

Cop unions are not unions because of the nature of the job. Their function is to oppress anyone who stands against the current system and, as such (oppressors), they don't deserve to be classed as worker organizations.

And this letter show EXACTLY why this is true.

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