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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 05:53 AM Jun 2015

Ton of ivory crushed in Times Square to highlight poaching

Source: Associated Press

Ton of ivory crushed in Times Square to highlight poaching
By KAREN MATTHEWS, Associated Press | June 19, 2015 | Updated: June 20, 2015 2:13am

NEW YORK (AP) — Over a ton of confiscated ivory tumbled off a conveyor belt into a rock crusher in Times Square on Friday in a symbolic display highlighting an illegal trade that activists say threatens the survival of African elephants.

The Wildlife Conservation Society says the global ivory trade is responsible for the slaughter of as many as 35,000 elephants a year in Africa.

"Crushing ivory in Times Square — literally at the crossroads of the world — says in the clearest of terms that the U.S. is serious about closing its illegal ivory markets and stopping the demand," said John Calvelli, the society's executive vice president for public affairs.

U.S. and state government officials, conservationists, animal-welfare advocates and tourists gathered to watch as hundreds of ivory trinkets were turned into a powder that fed into a trough, waiting to be trucked away.

The event was organized by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, New York state agencies and the Wildlife Conservation Society, which runs New York City's zoos


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/science/article/Ton-of-ivory-crushed-in-Times-Square-to-highlight-6337668.php

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Ton of ivory crushed in Times Square to highlight poaching (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2015 OP
Let's just hope that this doesn't just encourage the poachers BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #1
Really is quite a waste bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #3
Legal ivory markets provide cover for smuggling. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #5
With a little creativity, solutions could be found ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #6
Smugglers only have to fake it well enough to get past bribed officials. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #9
Market economics ? Ha ! Find me anyone who believes in ... oh, wait ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #8
I dont get why people dont just use mammoth ivory Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #2
They do, and it's mostly harvested by black marketeers ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #7
Just symbolic cosmicone Jun 2015 #4
good Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #10
Opinion blackhawk2415 Jun 2015 #11

BumRushDaShow

(129,023 posts)
1. Let's just hope that this doesn't just encourage the poachers
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:23 AM
Jun 2015

to re-double their efforts to replace what was confiscated and destroyed.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
3. Really is quite a waste
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 09:16 AM
Jun 2015

Certainly not advocating fresh harvests, but couldn't that ivory have been
conserved for historical restoration by museums?

You are correct, they may think they're hindering the ivory trade, but they
may be economically encouraging it. If they constantly confiscated the ivory
and jailed the perps and dumped it back on the market, prices would fall.

Reducing the supply raises the price, which encourages more poaching. At least
in economic theory.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
5. Legal ivory markets provide cover for smuggling.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jun 2015

It's easy to fake paperwork saying any given shipment is a legal one. The only way to eliminate the smuggling is to eliminate the legal shipments that camouflage it.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
6. With a little creativity, solutions could be found ...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

Fluorescent dye stamps, jet-injected liquid "tags" which can be chemically detected, embedded microdots, etc. Might not be 100% effective but it could put a good portion of the smugglers behind bars. Personally, I think nothing would put a dent in smuggling quite like dumping seized ivory on the market below 10% of current market price. Either go to a gov't auction and get a cheap price on tagged, traceable ivory or pay over ten times the price AND risk going to jail ... that's a carrot AND stick approach . So far, we've only tried the stick, and it hasn't worked. The closer the animals get to extinction, the higher the price of ivory, and the more poachers are willing to risk getting caught. It's too easy to see where that's going to end.

Remember, every time an elephant or rhino dies in the wild (or a zoo) from natural causes, there's a source of ivory right there. Park rangers could collect it and sell it for a pittance, completely undercutting the poaching market.

Personally, I wish someone would have to sense to do the full-blown R&D necessary to come up with very convincing fake ivory. Sell it without revealing that it's fake, and watch the market price crumble when people discover the market is full of fake ivory -- and those who only want artwork don't care so much if it's real or not.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
9. Smugglers only have to fake it well enough to get past bribed officials.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

The best way to make their lives more difficult would be to eliminate "legal" ivory as a notion. Then there's no question of whether the shipment or shop shelf is aboveboard.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
8. Market economics ? Ha ! Find me anyone who believes in ... oh, wait ...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015

funny how we'll build our domestic policies around the Holy Unrestricted Free Market, but when market economics might be used to solve a problem that only liberals care about, suddenly no one in power can remember how to use it.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
2. I dont get why people dont just use mammoth ivory
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jun 2015

Mammoth ivory is a beautiful material, and suprisingly quite abundant. If you want ivory, I say buy all the mammoth ivory you want.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
7. They do, and it's mostly harvested by black marketeers ...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jun 2015

in the process destroying irreplacable frozen mammoth carcasses and fossils -- possibly including fossil mammoth DNA -- which are lost forever to paleontology.

NatGeo aired a couple of shows about people trying to recover mammoth DNA from permafrost in Siberia. The ivory "miners" are pretty much Wild West types, who will kill to keep others away from their finds. The fossil sites are being ripped apart with high-pressure hydraulic jets and only the ivory is collected. It won't take that much longer for these sites to be exhausted.

This doesn't really strike me as much of a solution to anything.

It's worth noting that in the ancient world amber and ivory were used mostly to carve objects that nowadays are easily molded from plastics. There's no practical reason to be collecting ivory at all; the demand is driven strictly by an acquisitiveness that's purely cultural in origin. Humans need to curtail their destructive habits, not find alternative destructive behaviors.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
4. Just symbolic
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jun 2015

Most of the poaching trade supplies China which turns a blind eye towards it.

Chinese superstitions of a tiger-paw being a lucky charm, Rhino horn as aphrodisiac and sexual potency enhancer have brought the tiger and rhino populations near extinction.

The Chinese won't do a damn thing about it but what will help is an "anti-poaching tariff" of 10% on Chinese made goods exported out with the money going for protection, conservation and poacher extinction. That is when the Chinese will crack down on their population.

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