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brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:38 PM Jun 2015

Democrats in the U.S. Shift to the Left

Source: Gallup

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Democratic candidates for the 2016 presidential nomination face a significantly more left-leaning party base than their predecessors did over the last 15 years. Forty-seven percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents now identify as both socially liberal and economically moderate or liberal. This is compared with 39% in these categories in 2008, when there was last an open seat for their party's nomination, and 30% in 2001.



This combined group of Democrats consists of 25% who are pure liberals -- identifying as liberal on both social and economic issues -- and 22% who are social liberals but moderate on the economy. At the other end of the ideological spectrum, a scant 7% of Democrats are socially and economically conservative. Most of the rest of Democrats have more mixed ideological leanings, with 18% moderate on both social and economic issues, and 12% socially moderate or liberal but economically conservative.



These data are from Gallup's annual Values and Beliefs poll, which since 2001 has included questions asking Americans to rate themselves as conservative, moderate or liberal on social and economic issues. The trends for the entire country show a shift toward more liberal self-identification, and that trend is even more pronounced among Democrats on social issues. More than half of Democrats (53%) describe themselves as socially liberal at this point, up from 35% in 2001. On the economic front, Democrats remain most likely to say they are moderate, but among the rest who don't call themselves moderate, economically liberal has become a more frequent self-label than economically conservative.

Read more: http://www.gallup.com/poll/183686/democrats-shift-left.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles



...and a good chunk of them like Hillary Clinton.
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Democrats in the U.S. Shift to the Left (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2015 OP
The candidates have to shift to the left just to get to the middle . geretogo Jun 2015 #1
You said it swilton Jun 2015 #39
Amen, the truth since this country has moved so far right in the last 30 years. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #55
I hope its true. It'll be good news for Bernie Sanders. You know, a leftist. marble falls Jun 2015 #2
There's that 47% again... KansDem Jun 2015 #3
The Bern Unit will take over after the first debate or 2. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #4
I think your problem is convincing people that Hillary Clinton isn't liberal... brooklynite Jun 2015 #5
Your actual "real-word Democratic standards" may differ from others frylock Jun 2015 #10
My "real-word Democratic standards" are based on the voting patterns of real world Democrats brooklynite Jun 2015 #11
Things have changed a bit since Hillary Clinton got as many votes as Barack Obama.. frylock Jun 2015 #14
You can't go by Hillary vs Obama because there wasn't a liberal running in that campaign. NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #41
to be fair to obummer redruddyred Jun 2015 #70
How about this post from 2008 from DKos? Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #20
Will people vote for a candidate financed by those that took this country into a deep recession? L0oniX Jun 2015 #23
The "financing" table everyone loves to show around here? brooklynite Jun 2015 #24
* L0oniX Jun 2015 #25
Good response! brooklynite Jun 2015 #32
For many of us after 2008, Hillary represents the death of any hope to unchain the 1% from our gov. L0oniX Jun 2015 #35
"For many of us..." brooklynite Jun 2015 #38
To me HRC seems Socially Moderate / Liberal, economically conservative - 12% in the poll on point Jun 2015 #45
Sorry... SoapBox Jun 2015 #6
I seem to recall she did fairly well against Barack Obama... brooklynite Jun 2015 #7
Well...at least Bernie has been consistent in his views SoapBox Jun 2015 #9
I can't wait for the compare and contrast awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #12
And lost. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #36
They won't be debates. she'll recite the same non-answer speeches as now Doctor_J Jun 2015 #18
That's the thing that annoys me most about politicians in interviews and debates... Beartracks Jun 2015 #50
Fortunately she can't sit on the fence during a debate. L0oniX Jun 2015 #26
Will he be ranting and raving as usual? leftofcool Jun 2015 #30
Really? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #37
The American people are fucking angry, he would do well to be mad. Fearless Jun 2015 #44
Repubics have used their media ownership The Wizard Jun 2015 #8
I've watched my party head right and leave me. Perhaps I can see them turning around a bit NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #13
Well I've always been a left leaning libertarian PatrynXX Jun 2015 #16
Fox doesn't HAVE an FCC license... brooklynite Jun 2015 #22
Really? It's on digital over the FCC controlled air waves here. L0oniX Jun 2015 #28
Are you talking about FOX NEWS CHANNEL, or a Fox affiliated local channel? brooklynite Jun 2015 #33
" I've watched my party head right and leave me." I think it wasn't the party mpcamb Jun 2015 #19
more like shift back to the left PatrynXX Jun 2015 #15
And yet the reaganite leads the polls by a wide margin Doctor_J Jun 2015 #17
Elizabeth Warren? brooklynite Jun 2015 #21
I haven't yet seen the poll that has senator Warren leading, but that would be terrific Doctor_J Jun 2015 #31
"Supply side means cutting taxes and hoping the "supply" of revenue primes the economy.... brooklynite Jun 2015 #34
Reaganette ...long lost cousin of Marie. L0oniX Jun 2015 #29
There is a severe disconnect between what people want Maedhros Jun 2015 #40
some people, it has to happen to THEM before they get it / care Skittles Jun 2015 #27
Opinion blackhawk2415 Jun 2015 #42
And a good chunk of them will vote for the Democratic nominee Fearless Jun 2015 #43
You're right... brooklynite Jun 2015 #47
I hope all Liberals vote, even for someone they consider not liberal enough... Beartracks Jun 2015 #49
Why would they vote for Hillary if she loses the primary again? Fearless Jun 2015 #52
Where did you get that idea? brooklynite Jun 2015 #53
Where did you get the idea that she won it? Fearless Jun 2015 #56
How about the following? brooklynite Jun 2015 #57
She hasn't won. She has never proven to be a viable candidate. Full stop. Fearless Jun 2015 #58
Based on your opinion... brooklynite Jun 2015 #59
That she has never won is a clear as day fact. Fearless Jun 2015 #61
For tactical reasons...which, as a smart politician, she learned from... brooklynite Jun 2015 #62
Sanders is AHEAD of Obama in Iowa and New Hampshire Fearless Jun 2015 #64
the business friendly (owned) wing of the party had a chance yurbud Jun 2015 #46
We should work on getting rid of K Street YOHABLO Jun 2015 #60
even better. yurbud Jun 2015 #63
What happened in 2010? Beartracks Jun 2015 #48
Lots of talking points here, brooklynite, not a lot of backup, if Bernie was doing Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #51
Gallup? Red1 Jun 2015 #54
Finally. mahina Jun 2015 #65
So 53% of Dems and Dem sympathizers don't consider themselves liberals. Beauregard Jun 2015 #66
If you are socially and economically conservative, shouldn't you be a Republican? oberliner Jun 2015 #67
Blue dog democrats. Beauregard Jun 2015 #68
And Hillary's job will be to move that percentage back to the right LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #69

appalachiablue

(41,147 posts)
55. Amen, the truth since this country has moved so far right in the last 30 years.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015

Enough is enough!

K & R!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
4. The Bern Unit will take over after the first debate or 2.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

More liberal is better for both, but much better for Bernie, if people start to understand the reality of our situation.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
5. I think your problem is convincing people that Hillary Clinton isn't liberal...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

By DU standards perhaps not. By real-word Democratic standards definitely yes.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
11. My "real-word Democratic standards" are based on the voting patterns of real world Democrats
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

Last time round, Hillary Clinton got as many votes as Barack Obama, so either a good chunk of liberals like her as well, or there are far fewer liberals in the Party than you'd like. Either way, that's a problem for Benrie.

Add to which, polling has shown that Hillary's leads over Bernie don't drop when you look at self identified liberals:

Take a new Iowa poll conducted by Quinnipiac University. In it, Clinton stands at 60 percent in a hypothetical caucus vote, with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) running second at 15 percent. Clinton's standing among the base of the party? She gets 61 percent among those who consider themselves "very" liberal and 66 percent among the "somewhat" liberal. Her poorest performing ideological group is "moderate/conservative" Democrats, where she wins only 58 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/05/07/no-hillary-clintons-does-not-have-a-liberal-problem/

frylock

(34,825 posts)
14. Things have changed a bit since Hillary Clinton got as many votes as Barack Obama..
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jun 2015

that was 2008, before we were royally skull fucked by the very people that are bankrolling Clinton's campaign. People are righteously pissed off, and are they done with the status quo. So while you're hobnobbing with like-minded individuals at wine socials and $2700 per head conversations, social media is blowing up for Sanders.

I'd also like to remind you that despite getting as many votes as Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton still LOST.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
41. You can't go by Hillary vs Obama because there wasn't a liberal running in that campaign.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jun 2015

Obama "campaigned" as a liberal to the left of Hillary, convinced enough that he was sincere...and he won. Of course AFTER the election he was all like "liberal what?", but you get the picture.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
23. Will people vote for a candidate financed by those that took this country into a deep recession?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe in Bizarro land.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
24. The "financing" table everyone loves to show around here?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015

...was from her Senate campaign, before she ran in 2008. Didn't stop people voting for her then.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
32. Good response!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

Now all you need to do is explain to 18+ million Democrats who don't hang out on political blogs who that is and why they should care.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
35. For many of us after 2008, Hillary represents the death of any hope to unchain the 1% from our gov.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

That is worth fighting.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
38. "For many of us..."
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

Unless you've got hard evidence, I'm guessing that's not the same as the "many of them" who vote in the non-blogosphere world.

on point

(2,506 posts)
45. To me HRC seems Socially Moderate / Liberal, economically conservative - 12% in the poll
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

The need is not for people to convince others that HRC is not liberal, but for her to convince people that she is through policy positions and repudiation of her right of center economic positions.

I'll grant that she is slightly liberal on social issues, but slow to move. Does she now support ending the drug war, especially for Marijuana? Does she support prosecuting the Bush War crimes for torture and the invasion of Iraq? I don't think so.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
6. Sorry...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie is going to eat her lunch in the debates.

She will be in front of millions...if she sings, dances, give wishy-washy answers or just will not give a straight yes/no answer...it will show clear as day.

Bernie will have clear, concise, honest and authentic answers to all questions...she can't do that.

No more Corprotists.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
9. Well...at least Bernie has been consistent in his views
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jun 2015

and we won't need him to explain why he was for "it," before he was against "it". I hope she will have her stances straight by debate time.

He won't just do well...he'll do great.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
12. I can't wait for the compare and contrast
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jun 2015

between the dem debates and the rep debates. It will be night and day. I may watch the rep debates just for the entertainment value. So far we have three decent candidates- they have about 30 clowns.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
18. They won't be debates. she'll recite the same non-answer speeches as now
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jun 2015

Do you think we'll know, after the debates, if she approves or disapproves of TPP? If she approves of Medicare cuts? If she will consider raising the ss cap?

Of course not. She'll be protected by the moderators.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
50. That's the thing that annoys me most about politicians in interviews and debates...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jun 2015

... Those damned talking point responses to questions. The ones that spinmeisters have to explain were "clear" and "bold" visions in hopes that you forget the confusion you felt when you heard them.



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The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
8. Repubics have used their media ownership
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jun 2015

to shift the center to the far right. Democrats are moving back to the center. Since when did common decency and common sense become leftist?
We have to take back the language and define ourselves. We cannot be passive and expect reason in the face of a propaganda assault by the radicals who have seized the Republican Party.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
13. I've watched my party head right and leave me. Perhaps I can see them turning around a bit
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

and coming back - but there is still a very wide gulf. I've not changed my views in a long time, but the easily swayed, TV gobbling followers sure lurched away from me as they were advertised at and told to for many years.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
16. Well I've always been a left leaning libertarian
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jun 2015

But Faux. which on the FCC license (keep getting likes on facebook for pointing this out) is an Entertainment organization , they aren't a news channel. So people of the Conservative belief have been thinking what they believe is king. Which it's really BS.. and there's only so much BS people can take before theres a revolt. The righties are getting a weird civil war alright but not the one they were thinking (race war) more like a 4 way war. Liberals vs Conservatives in the Democratic party and Koch Brothers Vs The GOP in the Republican party. and voters caught in the middle.

mpcamb

(2,871 posts)
19. " I've watched my party head right and leave me." I think it wasn't the party
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jun 2015

I think it was the leadership and their moneybags sources that pushed the discussion to the right.
Weak-willed, weak-kneed dems sniffed the air for money and then followed.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
15. more like shift back to the left
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jun 2015

We have too many Conservatives in the Democratic party. and some of us have been trying to get people to wake up and see that. Would seem that some of this is paying off. (go Bernie) ie I doubt Bernie would have worked in 2012 but now people are starting to understand at least Democrats. that someones playing a game and they don't like it one bit well politics has always been a game but it's usually been rather fair .

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
31. I haven't yet seen the poll that has senator Warren leading, but that would be terrific
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jun 2015

No, I meant Supply Side Clinton.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
34. "Supply side means cutting taxes and hoping the "supply" of revenue primes the economy....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

You knew that Hillary Clinton voted against the Bush tax cuts, right?

And then voted to rescind them in 2007?

Do you in fact have ANY evidence that she opposes progressive taxation?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
40. There is a severe disconnect between what people want
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jun 2015

and what the political system gives them.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
27. some people, it has to happen to THEM before they get it / care
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jun 2015

and it's happening to THEM more and more

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
47. You're right...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

...I fully expect the Bernie Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton in the General Election. My point was that a lot of liberals will be supporting her in the Primary, notwithstanding what the anti-Hillary people have been saying about Liberals demanding a "real" Democrat.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
49. I hope all Liberals vote, even for someone they consider not liberal enough...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jun 2015

... if they have to, since the alternative is "not liberal AT ALL."

Seriously, no one should pack their marbles and go home. Unless your plan is to SUPPORT the Republican, then -- yes -- hold your nose and vote for the Dem candidate that might not have been your first choice. Your vote will at least counter a Republican vote, so take some cheer from that.

Stump for Bernie throughout the primaries; BUT if he doesn't get the nomination, then start stumping for Hillary even if she's a corporate Democrat. I really cannot fathom that a corporate Democrat is NEARLY AS BAD as a corporate Republican who will be kissing the Tea Party's ass all the time.

Then again, I could be wrong.

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brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
53. Where did you get that idea?
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jun 2015

...and feel free to explain your scenario where Sandrrs wins the national Primary process

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
57. How about the following?
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jun 2015

1. Her ability to get votes: 18 million in 2008 running against one of the strongest candidates we've had in decades (no no, Bernie Sanders is NOT Barack Obama)

2. Her ability to raise the funds that will be needed after Iowa and New Hampshire, when States become larger (making retail politics limited in effectiveness) and multiple States (many less liberal than Vermont) are in play at the same time.

3. Her CONSISTENT level of support as reflected in polling. In 2008, Clinton polled 25-30% nationally, allowing Obama to shot past her. This time around, Clinton has been consistently polling 60% for the past year. Whenever Sanders has gone up, Clinton hasn't gone down. Add to which the same scale of victory has been seen in State polls in Pennsylvania, Florida and South Carolina.

4. Her CONSISTENT ability to poll at or above the levels of her likely Republican opponents, increasing voters' confidence that she'll be a strong nominee in the General Election.

Okay, your turn.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
62. For tactical reasons...which, as a smart politician, she learned from...
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jun 2015

Bottom line, she got as many votes as Obama did, and Sanders is not a competitive as Obama was.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
64. Sanders is AHEAD of Obama in Iowa and New Hampshire
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 02:59 AM
Jun 2015

At this point in the race.

Bottom line. SHE LOST!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
46. the business friendly (owned) wing of the party had a chance
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

and their ideas have not worked for the vast majority of Americans.

Now it's time for them to step aside and let the FDR Democrats drive the bus. The DLCers will be just fine in their new jobs on K Street.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
51. Lots of talking points here, brooklynite, not a lot of backup, if Bernie was doing
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

So great in the polls I might be concerned. Hillary is running a great fifty state campaign, she is giving her stand on the issues and in the last few days she is very much in the right position.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
66. So 53% of Dems and Dem sympathizers don't consider themselves liberals.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

Well, that explains a lot of the illiberal, authoritarian, right wing comments here on DU. It also explains why we have two right wing parties in the US, just like the UK! Sad, isn't it?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
67. If you are socially and economically conservative, shouldn't you be a Republican?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jun 2015

I don't understand who that 7 percent of Democrats would be.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
69. And Hillary's job will be to move that percentage back to the right
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jun 2015

The way all politicians do it. Just say what you think the population expects (not what they will get). And say it in a nice folksy way. Just watch Obama. The TPP. From the official website:

https://ustr.gov/tpp/Summary-of-US-objectives

The Obama Administration is pursuing TPP to unlock opportunities for American manufacturers, workers, service providers, farmers, and ranchers – to support job creation and wage growth.

Easy Peasy.

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