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brooklynite

(94,751 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:09 AM Jun 2015

De Blasio says he will not endorse Hillary Clinton until she clearly opposes Trans-Pacific Partnersh

Source: New York Daily News

He's really playing hard to get.

Mayor de Blasio, who has said he won’t endorse Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton until he’s convinced she’s got a plan to battle income inequality, is now calling on his old boss to speak out against a controversial trade deal.

Hizzoner said Thursday he’s looking for a “very clear statement” from Clinton opposing the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which is loathed by the left but being pushed by President Obama.

“I think it’s very important she speak up, make clear . . . that this trade deal is unacceptable,” de Blasio said on a phone call he held with reporters blasting the deal.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/de-blasio-not-back-hillary-opposes-trade-deal-article-1.2255489
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De Blasio says he will not endorse Hillary Clinton until she clearly opposes Trans-Pacific Partnersh (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2015 OP
That is awesome. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #1
This will really depress Hillary's NYC margins if it doesn't work out BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #2
Back that bus up! Let's hit him again! Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #3
Besides, TPP is such a frivolous, non-issue RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #4
Yeah, meantime, in NYC, he's on his way to becoming a joke BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #7
Keep trashing the mayor and avoiding the subject RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #8
Krugman doesn't like it, but he doesn't really give a shit either BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #11
Not the point and you know it. n/t Dawgs Jun 2015 #27
Krugman seems to be well past the not giving a shit stage starroute Jun 2015 #43
"This isn't a deal we should support." BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #44
"This space for rent" - thus was it ever so. Divernan Jun 2015 #46
Most people don't realize that it could become a problem for us. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #10
Agreed...Call me paranoid BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #12
Get a grip! ananda Jun 2015 #20
I could always use a laugh BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #29
Nice source.... daleanime Jun 2015 #18
Really? BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #24
If you thought so.... daleanime Jun 2015 #33
It's a straight news story on an educational vote BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #35
OMG! He appointed people to an independent panel who thought for themselves! Jim Lane Jun 2015 #37
Nor do I have a problem with it. It would be nice if more politicians would A Simple Game Jun 2015 #41
Seems very divisive in the eve of a rally in his own city Gloria Jun 2015 #9
who gives a shit about policy issues when you have a rock star party to attend? frylock Jun 2015 #45
Stupid comment....at the very basic level Gloria Jun 2015 #50
Obama had no vote on IWR, but a lot of people voted for him based in part because he was against it. frylock Jun 2015 #51
Will HRC be able to carry NYC without him?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #5
Without a doubt... brooklynite Jun 2015 #15
I read here he's the most popular mayor since La Guardia./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #23
La Guardia was a Republican... brooklynite Jun 2015 #31
A progressive one in the mode of Robert La Follete./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #34
I believe so. nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #19
Of course she will. His support is a non-issue. leftofcool Jun 2015 #38
Deblasio is finding out quickly that he's not as relevant as he thinks Renew Deal Jun 2015 #6
Two debate fallacies here: red herring and poisoning the well ananda Jun 2015 #16
Lots of people oppose it and I never posted anything about them. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #21
We ALL have jurisdiction on this issue as voters.. frylock Jun 2015 #47
"You could play limbo under a snake." BeanMusical Jun 2015 #48
Thank you, Mayor! ananda Jun 2015 #13
The TPP is the little dog that pulled back the curtain on the great Oz... raindaddy Jun 2015 #14
I thought the dog was Wikileaks... ananda Jun 2015 #17
Point taken... raindaddy Jun 2015 #26
He's pretty clearly speaking as a national Democrat rather than as NYC geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22
They might take to the streets over Matt Harvey's pitching slump first./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #25
If they cared about the Mets, they would nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #28
She will not oppose the TPP. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #30
I agree and.. Feron Jun 2015 #32
Was the article originally different? Babel_17 Jun 2015 #36
One may presume that applies to the GE. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #42
So basically, he's endorsing her, but with a caveat. onehandle Jun 2015 #39
Nice. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #40
This should be the position of all progressives on all issues yurbud Jun 2015 #49
Good news. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2015 #52

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
2. This will really depress Hillary's NYC margins if it doesn't work out
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jun 2015


Seems DeBlasio is devoting a lot of, um, feeling, to this issue and is intent on a rupture. I don't really see the point, especially when he's getting pounded pretty regularly in the NY press for his performance as mayor.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
8. Keep trashing the mayor and avoiding the subject
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jun 2015

So, do you favor the TPP?

Bernie Sanders
Defeat the Trans-Pacific Partnership
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/defeat-the-trans-pacific-partnership

Martin O'Malley
O’Malley Joins Sanders Against TPP Fast Track. Where’s Clinton?
http://ourfuture.org/20150604/omalley-joins-sanders-against-tpp-fast-track-wheres-clinton

Hillary Clinton
{This space for rent}

starroute

(12,977 posts)
43. Krugman seems to be well past the not giving a shit stage
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/tpp-at-the-nabe/?_r=0

I’m thumbs down. I don’t think the proposal is likely to be the terrible, worker-destroying pact some progressives assert, but it doesn’t look like a good thing either for the world or for the United States, and you have to wonder why the Obama administration, in particular, would consider devoting any political capital to getting this through. . . .

So why do some parties want this deal so much? Because as with many “trade” deals in recent years, the intellectual property aspects are more important than the trade aspects. Leaked documents suggest that the US is trying to get radically enhanced protection for patents and copyrights; this is largely about Hollywood and pharma rather than conventional exporters.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/opinion/paul-krugman-trade-and-trust.html

I don’t know why the president has chosen to make the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership such a policy priority. Still, there is an argument to be made for such a deal, and some reasonable, well-intentioned people are supporting the initiative.

But other reasonable, well-intentioned people have serious questions about what’s going on. And I would have expected a good-faith effort to answer those questions. . . .

Instead of addressing real concerns, however, the Obama administration has been dismissive, trying to portray skeptics as uninformed hacks who don’t understand the virtues of trade. But they’re not: the skeptics have on balance been more right than wrong about issues like dispute settlement, and the only really hackish economics I’ve seen in this debate is coming from supporters of the trade pact.

It’s really disappointing and disheartening to see this kind of thing from a White House that has, as I said, been quite forthright on other issues. And the fact that the administration evidently doesn’t feel that it can make an honest case for the Trans-Pacific Partnership suggests that this isn’t a deal we should support.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
44. "This isn't a deal we should support."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

Real End Times stuff, isn't it?

He's basically saying, mention "Trade Deal," and everyone on all sides of the issue is terminally prone to exaggeration. I agree with him.

Renew Deal

(81,879 posts)
10. Most people don't realize that it could become a problem for us.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jun 2015

It could cost the liberal/progressive movement big if he's the model of "progressive" governance. This is no small problem. He needs to stop touring the nation and pay attention to NYC. Right now most people believe that crime is rising. He made a big decision on the issue and he will take the blame if it goes wrong.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
12. Agreed...Call me paranoid
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jun 2015

but this is reminiscent of how Giuliani Time happened. I don't see an exact repeat because the city is still a lot safer than it was, but he is already looking vulnerable. When you start seeing stories about how he can't make a meeting on time and is generally irritating a lot of people (who don't even stand by him with votes after they've been appointed by him), the writing starts to appear on the wall.

ananda

(28,879 posts)
20. Get a grip!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jun 2015

DeBlasio should be praised and appreciated for speaking
out against the TPP and challenging Clinton to do the same.

You two are really poisoning the well here with your anti-
DeBlasio red herring.

The people need outspoken voices to represent their interests,
and DeBlasio is one of those.

The TPP is a bad business, harmful on so many levels to so
many people.

Thank the Mayor and get on with your business if you have
any human decency!

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
29. I could always use a laugh
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jun 2015

Come to NYC and ask the average voter what they think of DeBlasio's noble anti-TPP stand.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
24. Really?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jun 2015

Pathetic deflection attempt noted.

Here's an NYT article on his struggles with the black community. Maybe that works better for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/nyregion/black-leaders-showing-signs-of-frustration-with-mayor-de-blasio.html?_r=0

He has a very tough job. A public fight with HRC, who, believe it or not, is mostly popular here, over a trade deal that no one on the streets is talking about doesn't speak to his day job issues.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
33. If you thought so....
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jun 2015

why not just defend the source?

And you can call it a "pathetic deflection attempt" if you want to, you have my unneeded permission. I would simply say that it's an accurate statement.

And yes he has a very tough job, make worse by the fact that any honest on his part will apparently create enemies out of 'allies'.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
35. It's a straight news story on an educational vote
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:14 AM
Jun 2015

The source doesn't need defending on it.

Go ahead, debunk it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
37. OMG! He appointed people to an independent panel who thought for themselves!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

The article is about the Panel for Educational Policy. De Blasio appoints eight of its thirteen members. The slam here is that the Panel defeated a particular proposal that he favored.

If the idea were to give the Mayor complete control, then the law could simply say that such a proposal needs the Mayor's approval. Instead, there's a panel, to which he and other officials appoint members.

I guess some politicians would pick, as their appointees, a collection of warm bodies who would dutifully do as ordered. Instead, de Blasio appointed people who take their responsibilities seriously, who study the matters they're voting on, and who sometimes come to different conclusions than de Blasio does.

Call me crazy but I don't have a problem with that.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
41. Nor do I have a problem with it. It would be nice if more politicians would
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

appoint qualified people to panels and commissions instead of lackeys.

As for De Blasio, he seems to have a good reputation in Northern New York and unlike what we are led to believe about NYC, Northern New York is very concerned about the TPP and we are indeed talking about it.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
9. Seems very divisive in the eve of a rally in his own city
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jun 2015

That reportedly will harken back to FDR...Sounds like a big baby who have the GOP drooling with glee.
Completely turning me off.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
50. Stupid comment....at the very basic level
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary has no vote on this....She can take her time. This is a long race. Let's see what her "vision" speech is about...

Harkening back to FDR is a different move...reintroducing generations who don't know a thing about FDR. She's going to do things
in her typical pragmatic way. That's a backdrop for a lot of policy that will be forthcoming...

You do realize that we are all fighting Republicans, don't you?? And that no candidate is pure, even Bernie on gun control...Or O'Malley in Baltimore??

We don't have the luxury of being one-issue voters who will slam any candidate on any issue one disagrees with... Discuss, yes, but taking your ball and going home is no way to win an election.

Really, that comment was useless...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
51. Obama had no vote on IWR, but a lot of people voted for him based in part because he was against it.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jun 2015

claiming that it's okay for Clinton to remain silent on trade agreements because she has no vote is preposterous.

brooklynite

(94,751 posts)
15. Without a doubt...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jun 2015

...De Blasio actually isn't that popular in the City these days.

Bill de Blasio’s Approval Ratings Are the Lowest They Have Ever Been

Mayor Bill de Blasio’s approval ratings are the lowest they’ve been since he was elected mayor, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

Just 44 percent of voters give Mr. de Blasio’s job performance a thumbs up, down from 49 percent in January. 40 percent disapprove of him.

Voters were also split on whether Mr. de Blasio’s involvement in national affairs, including his trips this week to Washington, D.C. and California, are distracting from his duties at City Hall. 46 percent say they are distracting, while 42 percent disagree–just outside the poll’s margin of error.

Mr. de Blasio has taken some criticism for venturing beyond the five boroughs so frequently.

http://observer.com/2015/05/bill-de-blasios-approval-ratings-are-the-lowest-they-have-ever-been/

Renew Deal

(81,879 posts)
6. Deblasio is finding out quickly that he's not as relevant as he thinks
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jun 2015

If he spent half as much time governing as he does grandstanding around the country he might be a little more popular right now. A dirty secret for those outside of NY is that his poll numbers stink. Hillary will win NYC by margins that Deblasio couldn't dream of.

ananda

(28,879 posts)
16. Two debate fallacies here: red herring and poisoning the well
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jun 2015

The issue is the TPP and its horrific adverse affect on workers
and the poor, here and across the world.

DeBlasio should be lauded to the skies for speaking out against
it and challenging Clinton to do the same!

Mounting an ad hominem attack on the person who speaks out
against it is really low.

You could play limbo under a snake.

Renew Deal

(81,879 posts)
21. Lots of people oppose it and I never posted anything about them.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:49 AM
Jun 2015

The story is about Deblasio. This is another example of Deblasio commenting on issues he has no jurisdiction over. It's become a recurring theme in NY. People in NY want to see him comment on crime, education, infrastructure, etc.

The reason he keeps doing this with Hillary is he wants to get his name out there. It's the same reason he's constantly on tour.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
47. We ALL have jurisdiction on this issue as voters..
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015

have you forgotten that these people work for US?

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
14. The TPP is the little dog that pulled back the curtain on the great Oz...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jun 2015

Refusing to use her influence to kill this POS tells me everything I need to know about HRC...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. He's pretty clearly speaking as a national Democrat rather than as NYC
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jun 2015

mayor in doing this.

TPP is NOT a big issue in NYC other than in the media circles. You don't see people in Astoria or Crown Heights or Harlem taking to the streets over TPP.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
30. She will not oppose the TPP.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jun 2015

She will not oppose the TPP and undermine her corporate support and the support from President Obama in the general election (if she wins).

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
36. Was the article originally different?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jun 2015

Near the end there's this:

"De Blasio declined to say whether Clinton’s support for the deal would be a deal breaker in terms of his endorsement."


OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
42. One may presume that applies to the GE.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jun 2015

If she's the nominee and he withholds his endorsement, it will only hurt him. He knows that and is hedging.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
49. This should be the position of all progressives on all issues
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

Unfortunately given Hillary's record she is unlikely to say that and even less likely to do it

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