Woman Involved in Starting McKinney Pool Fight Placed on Administrative Leave by CoreLo

[ghostsinthemachine]

Source: Daily KOS

After a video of a 15 year old African-American teen being slammed into the ground by McKinney Police Officer Eric Casebolt went viral over the weekend, a twitter campaign was launched to identify the woman involved in the fight that led to police being called. Tracey Carver-Allbritton has now been placed on administrative leave by her employer, CoreLogic Inc.

While the primary focus of the incident in McKinney, TX has been calling for the termination of now resigned Corporal Eric Casebolt, Twitter launched an impromptu campaign to identify the two women confirmed to have made racist comments that led to the fight and the police being called in the first place. The video begins with an adult white woman and what appears to be a much younger African American girl locked in a fight, with each holding the others hair attempting to throw punches. A group of black teens initially act as observers but eventually try to separate the two. Another woman, now known as Tracey-Carver Allbritton, at first seems to be trying to break up the fight, but quickly decides to start throwing punches to the top of the younger girls head. After a few seconds the fight is broken up and both parties go their separate ways.

Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392082/-Woman-Involved-in-Starting-McKinney-Pool-Fight-Placed-on-Administrative-Leave-by-CoreLogic-Inc

[madokie]

1. its not enough to just put her on administrative leave

charge her

[Fiendish]

9. Charge her with what?

Making a racist remark isn't against the law. It's a shitty thing to do and it indicates a complete lack of class or character, but it's not illegal.

Unless there's some kind of objective proof showing that she initiated the physical altercation, it'll be really, really hard to get any criminal charge to stick.

And unless her agreement/contract with her employer is worded very specifically (or Texas is a right to work state... unsure, but it wouldn't surprise me), what she does outside of work hours and/or not representing the company is none of her employer's business, unless and until it's proven she committed some crime.

[madokie]

12. It is not lawful for a woman to fight a child

no matter what you might think
did you even read what was written? Apparently not

[Fiendish]

15. Yes, I did read it. What's more, I've watched the video.

The video proves nothing. It begins with the two already hands-on with one another. It does nothing to establish who initiated the physical altercation. A verbal altercation, even if racist remarks are being spoken, is not illegal. It's trashy and wrong, but illegal and immoral don't always intersect. But the real issue is that this particular video does zero to prove who started the actual hands-on scuffling.

If the woman threw the first punch at the girl, then absolutely she needs to be charged with a crime: assaulting a minor. She needs to be arrested, charged, and she needs to have her day in court.

If the girl threw the first punch at the woman, however, it's hardly as clear-cut, is it? At that point, she can argue that she was defending herself (EDIT: defending herself or her companion/friend/sister/daughter/relation/whatever).

And I'm shamelessly playing devil's advocate here, but "child" is not the best word for this situation. "Adolescent" fits the bill much more closely. Yes, a 15-year-old is a child under the law, but it's not a stretch to consider that a 15-year-old may be able to physically overpower an adult. It all depends on the individuals involved.

TL;DR: Everyone's making an awful lot of assumptions based on a video that doesn't show the entire encounter, rather than waiting to see all the evidence before coming to a conclusion.

[Judi Lynn]

17. "Shamelessly playing the devil's advocate"? You're speaking for yourself.

[center] [/center]
Democrats are NOT racists, DU is not a racists' forum.

The child did NOT 'throw the first punch." Take time to think, first, before speaking your "mind."

Everyone will benefit.

[JustAnotherGen]

23. I googled her name

Second page takes you to a Bofa fb link - she's a contractor and they've reached out to her employer.

[Fiendish]

25. Oh yeah.

I'm totally a racist because I said "Hey wait, let's hold off coming to conclusions until we know all the facts!" Yep, you got me.

How do you know? Were you there? You've seen video showing one of the two women throwing the first punch? Again, you've come to a conclusion with only partial facts.

Gimme a break.

[cosmicone]

58. Almost all contracts have clauses re:moral turpitude and

about bringing negative publicity on an employer.

She can be fired for the latter alone and will have no leg to stand on especially in an "at will" employment state.

I'd have fired her if she were to be my employee without any fear of a wrongful termination lawsuit.

[madokie]

66. are you sure you deserve a break

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026812409

[randys1]

76. what am i missing at your link?

[Arby]

27. How do you know

the child did not throw the 1st punch? Or for that matter, that the black woman is in fact a child? I live in North Texas and TMK none of that information has been made public. OF course all these people were wrong, and the white women who seem to instigate the ordeal should be held accountable, but it's too early to cast aspersions based on incomplete information. This white woman's black room-mate states that the accounts of the ordeal are flat-out wrong regarding his friend involvement. Just saying...

[hobbit709]

67. They're crawling out of the woodwork on this thread.

[heaven05]

102. Yeah they are

and it's not those who can think for themselves and can believe what they see with their own two eyes. The cop apologists and defenders of the racist woman are crawling out of the woodwork here, you're right. Thanks.

[SwankyXomb]

117. Kop apologists using backup accounts.

[Arby]

128. They?

Really? What do you mean by they?

- Are they inferior to you?
- Are they to be segregated from your ilk?
- Are they different?
- Are they not allowed to have different opinions?
- Are they just to follow the crowd like sheeple?

Who are they?

[LanternWaste]

136. People who pretend to be both sincere and clever when making biased implications

"Who are they?"

People who pretend to be both sincere and clever when making biased implications not-so-subtly hiding a non-progressive agenda.

[Arby]

164. Me thinks

you may want to look in the mirror my friend... While you may certainly believe you're progressive, you clearly are biased against any opposition to whatever your particular opinion is. For me, that's the antithesis of being liberal and smells more of the small mindedness found in modern conservatism. "They" indeed ...

- Peace

[lexington filly]

71. My white woman's observations from the picture:

The African American female and friends trying to break-up the conflict have really skinny arms and legs looking as though their bodies are experiencing growth spurts which out-pace their caloric intake indicative of being teens and also active. Their footwear looks like the kind preferred by teens.

The Caucasian females have rather beefy bodies indicative of both an inactive lifestyle and a preference for a diet very high in fats and carbs. They are like heavy weights fighting welter weights if this were a fight with rules and boundaries.

While there isn't a law against being a dumb ass, there are laws about inciting violence. There are also all those laws that are used against African Americans, protesters, etc. when they want to hassle and economically hurt them which law enforcement could pull out of their.....
"toolboxes."

If the one woman was trying to help her friend, she would have been trying to break it up rather than piling on with punches. I expect an adult to exercise more restraint and better judgment than a teen. We must hold adults more accountable. We must let adult racists know that we won't tolerate their verbalizing insults and deliberately, maliciously hurting our vulnerable young people. We must use every tool to make racist behavior taboo. They may feel whatever they feel---not do whatever they want and unload their toxic hearts on others.

[JustAnotherGen]

88. You made your point so much better than I did

She was acting the fool.

[Arby]

130. My observations

A couple of things I picked up from the Chris Hayes video posted in this thread:

- It was an "older man" who was racially disparaging the black teens
- Both women fighting were adults (true the teen was 18, but that is the legal age of majority)
- The video never stated which woman became violent 1st
- The two older white women were said to be upset because they thought the teens were being disrespectful to their elders
- The video clearly shows the woman in question pulling her friend away while slapping her opponent (open-hand) on the top of the head and screaming "get off"
- After separating the women, the woman in question continues to pull her friend away from the confrontation

Again, as I've stated, the women are clearly in the wrong, but that does not (IMO) lend support to the aspersions being cast here based on conjecture from snippets of the actual confrontation.

The entire episode is just plain ugly ...

[KeepItReal]

75. Because an eyewitness said the older woman hit first. Here's the video

Do you believe this young lady or not?

[randys1]

78. NO, they wont believe her. But she is white so maybe

[JustAnotherGen]

84. Wow - thanks for this

[KeepItReal]

96. You're welcome. I wish these cynics against the kids would evolve like her father did.

Eom

[Arby]

129. Great video.

A couple of things I picked up from the video:

- It was an "older man" who was racially disparaging the black teens
- Both women fighting were adults (true the teen was 18, but that is the legal age of majority)
- The video never stated which woman became violent 1st
- The two older white women were said to be upset because they thought the teens were being disrespectful to their elders
- The video clearly shows the woman in question pulling her friend away while slapping her opponent (open-hand) on the top of the head and screaming "get off"
- After separating the women, the woman in question continues to pull her friend away from the confrontation

Again, these women are clearly in the wrong, but I see nothing in support of the aspersions being leveled here... There are still plenty of questions yet to answered.

[KeepItReal]

159. I hope your questions get answered to whatever level of satisfaction you are seeking

eom

[heaven05]

100. what amazes me is black people are always

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even here with some, from the very beginning, "thugs", "threats" and what ever else can come out of a mind that just won't understand the hate your brethren spew everyday with words and bullets. .......yet when it comes to accusations of white malfeasance and racism, instantly its, "don't jump to conclusions", let's wait for all the facts" or just place obfuscatory bullshit explaining away the hatred of white racist people for POC as some kind of anomaly. A lot of you just can't understand how superficial and transparent you are showing yourselves to be. Really disgusting, time after time same song and dance and the aspersions are always intimated and directed against the people of color.

It is obvious, as is in this case, as stated by the witnesses, both black and white, who said the white woman in question got angry because of too many black people at this pool party and stated telling them to return to their section 8 housing and used the nword expletive repeatedly, and the black kids lived in THAT neighborhood. Evidently some black girl got offended and responded. The racist white woman did not like the push back and attacked the black kid, saying she was disrespecting her elders. Elder, no. Racist bigot, yes.

It's always the same here with the apologists a few days out from the 'incidents'. I feel you must think that we haven't been able to comprehend exactly what happened through our prism without the 'splainers' trying to tell us what we saw and what happened.

And of course, that 14 year old can't be a child in your book. Why? The video(s) available show exactly what happened as well as the many witnesses who spoke up immediately, both black and white. Please stop saying ALL are wrong, when it is plain the instigator is the wrong one as well as that racist, ignorant fuck calling himself a policeman. You don't really need to respond, I know what you are really all about.

The pass given by many here to that white woman who started this whole mess is very revealing. Just shows me liberals and progressives can be infected with the sickness of racial divisiveness spreading across this so called democracy. None of you giving this racist bigoted woman the "benefit of the doubt" are my ally. The lines are being drawn. Have no doubt.

[ann---]

101. The young girl who was

attacked by her already spoke about on video and on TV

[tblue37]

144. The woman in the fight was the party hostess, age 19 or 20. The girl assaulted by the cop

was a guest, age 14 or 15. They are NOT the same person!

[Arby]

166. Fully understood.

However, that is not the subject at hand. The aspersions being cast here are against the one woman in the fight video. My stance is that there is not enough information or evidence to come to the conclusion so many here have come to. Just saying ...

[phil89]

35. What evidence do you have she didn't throw the first punch?

We don't see what started it.

[JustAnotherGen]

123. You don't have to see it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1114703

Two older white witnesses explain it here.

[Fawke Em]

72. What did she call her?

I watched the video and heard yelling and, "Get her off her," but I didn't make out any racial slur. Where does that happen in the video?

[JustAnotherGen]

19. I'll wait

But if your 14/15 year old daughter was assaulted by what looked to me like two women rugby players - I'm sure you would say - but she's an adolescent.

Who knows - maybe you are right. Maybe she came at them, caws out, teeth and aw at the ready - but the girl in that video and pics I've seen?

That woud be stupid.

Those two could have have tripped and crushed her. Did you see the arms? My husband works with a hammer and an anvil and the girls have bigger shoulders and hands than him. And at least 40 pounds on him each.

And I'm not fat shaming - let me stop that nonsense (not you poster but the pearl clutches around here) -

Some women are heftier than others. It's the truth. It's why we there is a Lane Bryant.

[Fiendish]

36. I see what you're saying.

But my point is that the word choice makes a difference.

For instance, if I tell you, "That guy attacked a child," you're likely to picture a kid under 10, let's say. That's the connotation of the word. "Child" and "adolescent" have completely different connotations and meanings.

My larger point is that everyone's lining up to see this woman shamed in the court of public opinion and stripped of her job... and WE DON'T HAVE THE FACTS. We have only partial facts. We have video showing the altercation already well underway, and yet people are leaping to the conclusion that one party is solely at fault, when the truth may be wildly different.

That's my big objection here, and it happens every single time there's an incident like this. Someone gets crucified by a mob in the court of public opinion, and if it turns out that incorrect information was making the rounds... well, oopsie, I guess? We just wrecked someone's life over a rumor, got them fired from their job... but oh well? That's bogus.

And I'm less than thrilled with the "You're a racist!" responses I'm getting because I'm advocating a wait-and-see approach. Like I said on another thread, I had no idea that logic and reason weren't considered left-wing ideals.

[JustAnotherGen]

54. I live in NJ

If I smack a 14/15 year old - the law considers that a child. No difference between that and a five year old.

Some of us live in area where our local and state laws forbid you from putting hands on those under 18. Maybe Texas is different - but many of us live in places where if we did what she did - we'd have to call the ghosts of Cochran and Kardashian.


I didn't see where anyone has called someone a racist on the thread.

I've had to deal with Stasi, evil empire, telecom hatred -

What I do is just trash the threads, NSA, etc etc I see it my way - others see it theirs. Trash the thread if it's getting to you.

[Fiendish]

56. Yes, but...

If you're walking home from work, for instance, and a 15-year-old male attacks YOU, and you smack him, no one's going to charge you with assaulting a child. The fact that the attacker is a "child" under the law doesn't negate your right to defend yourself, with force if need be.

That's the argument I'm making. If the girl attacked first, it's self-defense/defense of another. Her being 15 years old doesn't overrule another person's right to defending themselves.

If, however, the girl was the defender and the others were the attacker, then they need to be arrested and charged with assault and battery, assaulting a minor, and every other relevant charge under Texas law, and then they get their day in court.

What just irks me to no end is the instant "guilty!" from the mob in the court of public opinion before more than the bare minimum facts of the case are known.

[JustAnotherGen]

61. The second woman

The woman in question -

She clearly comes over and whacks her.

You got to get used to it. We saw the same thing with Tamir Rice at DU - instant belief he was guilty.

Our justice system is unjust - as a result - you have this.


And the reality is - none of us on this thread were involved in this. We have nothing to gain or to lose by having an opinion.

Dreams deferred and whatnot.

[lexington filly]

95. I understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty

that you're trying to facilitate here and the element of logic. Yet it isn't logical to me that a young teen would jump a white woman unless she was provoked to a breaking point. And that's just if I go for the whole, the teen may have made physical contact first and I ignore the context of the entire heartbreaking affair.

However you slice it, the two white women weren't just walking all innocently to their car or home as uninvolved bystanders. My lifelong value is that adults protect vulnerable kids physically and emotionally (children, young people) even from their parents if necessary. And that's not happening in the picture.

What's that whole "if a 15 year old male attacks you" thing?
The picture reveals a slight African American girl and a large white adult female. The girl's friends are clearly pulling away and the 2nd adult female is clearly punching away. When I see one side trying to disengage and the other side fully engaging, my logic leads me to opinions that are really negative about the ones fully engaging.

[heaven05]

103. what about the witnesses?

Black and white? Well black witnesses are always dismissed right away, but what about that 15 years old boy and that young white girl who witnessed THE WHOLE THING? Going to dismiss them What about the young white kid who videoed this latest american racist incident. He even said it was not the fault of the black kids. But not to worry gofundme will be asking for donations for that idiot called a cop and that racist woman and...... It's always "lets wait and see" when they are white perpetrators, but if they are black, their records are checked, they either are put into the criminal bucket, thug bucket or threat bucket and flushed right away.

[LanternWaste]

137. You are confusing "imply" and "infer".

"That's the connotation of the word..."

You are confusing (unintentionally, one hopes) "imply" and "infer".

[BronxBoy]

150. The larger point that YOU are missing...

is that Black kids are judged in the court of public opinion all the time often leading to tragic circumstances. But I don't see you jumping to their defense. Sean Hannity said on a nationally broadcasted show that the cop was right in his actions because he was about to get "shanked"

Where's your hand winging for that public assassination?

[locdlib]

97. yes, i believe i have heard those types of arms referred to as speedbag arms.

[samsingh]

52. the video shows that the black kids were being bullied by

the racist white girls and the imbecilic cop who attacked a young girl and pulled a gun on unarmed teenagers.

if pulling out a gun because the cop was such a coward that he was scared in a situation he exacerbated, would that mean every black person should now pull out a gun because they are rightfully scared by all white cops?

[Fiendish]

57. Which video?

The video I'm referring to shows the two parties already engaged in a physical altercation. It does nothing to prove who started the confrontation.

If you're referring to a different video that shows the run-up to the fight, can you link it, please? I haven't seen anything like that yet.

[samsingh]

145. convenient place to start.

[KeepItReal]

94. Did you watch *this* video?

[heaven05]

105. the one you're responding to

won't address that 'fact' you're pointing to. I find all these apologist very selective in what they WANT to see. Just wants to keep inferring the black girl was the institgator of the fight, possibly. Can't see it any other way with those typical, "let's wait and see" blinders, when what instigated this incident is as plain as day. RACISM that is as amerikkkan as apple pie.

[uppityperson]

177. Thank you for this video, it is incredible.

[tblue37]

143. The black woman in the fight was the party hostess, not the 14/15-year-old girl assaulted by

the cop. Conflating the two makes the cop's outrageous behavior seem less so to some people looking to excuse him.

[Travis_0004]

32. Its lawful if its self defense of oneself, or another.

If the black girl started the fight, then I see no problem with the white woman stepping in to stop the fight and protect her friend.

I realize most accounts claim the white girl started, the fight, but is there enough evidence to prove that beyond all reasonable doubt? Probably not? By some accounts the black woman in the fight is 20 years old (born 04/02/1995) if you want to be exact, so not exactly a child either.

[madokie]

38. By some accounts I'm god

does that make me god?

[Travis_0004]

45. You can claim to be whatever you want

I doubt you could prove yourself to be god in a court of law.

[madokie]

47. LOL

[Fiendish]

46. Don't bother, dude.

If you try to point out that there's not enough info here to come to a conclusion, you'll only be called a racist a few times.

[Travis_0004]

49. It wouldn't be the first time. Won't be the last

I know you get what I'm saying, but I'll clarify it now. (mostly for others)

If 70% of the people claim the white girl started the fight, and 30% say the black girl started a fight, you could not win a prosecution. The state has to make its case beyond all reasonable doubt, and unless a new video comes out, I doubt they can prove it, so I doubt you will see an arrest.

If you notice as soon as the fight broke up she pushed her friend away, and they got away from the fight, so it appears as her goal was to break up the fight.

[Arby]

132. It's disheartening

to see the heard mentality here. I've been a member and reading DU for years but haven't really engaged in the threads. I joined this one because I live in North Texas and think the post is quite premature in its conclusion. Since stating my opinion I've had several disparaging, accusatory comments cast my way. I'd expect this treatment on an conservative site. I have always held we enlightened to a higher standard - my bad. No worries though ...

[paul123456]

111. 19 is not a child

The black girl fighting in the video is Tatiana Rhodes and is 19. She was the gal who organized the pool party, posted the announcement for a free pool party online and sent out twitters about it. She bills herself as a "promoter" and claims to put on and plan parties for hire. She also is the one who did not get the permit for a pool party and failed to keep to the 20 person maximum allowed by the HOA. She has a good reason to get the narrative going that this whole thing was racially motivated as she is in trouble with her land lord and the HOA for causing the problem.

Have you listened to what Benet Embry had to say happened at this "event"? He is a black resident who witnessed the whole thing. According to him it was not a racially motivated thing, but because 7 knuckleheads jumped over the fence to gain access to the pool they were not suppose to be in and then had a confrontation with security. BTW he says people are now trying to get him fired for saying what happened, and he is receiving death threats.

[JustAnotherGen]

124. Two white older witnesses disagree with him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1114703

[BronxBoy]

151. Interesting how no one has responded to you yet.....n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

152. Dinner time?

I just came in from watering the garden and flowers.

Maybe life happened?

[BronxBoy]

153. Could be....

I think you are being kind...

[paul123456]

167. maybe you should watch the video she posted

One of her "white older witnesses" was a man who says he did not arrive until after the cops came. Not much of a witness. His teen daughter is the other "older white witness" she is a friend of the party organizer who started the whole mess by inviting too many people. The fight between Rhodes and the white women happened after the first calls were made to 911. It also happened in the parking lot not in the pool area, that is easy to verify look at the fight video. See the cars ? Rhodes is trying to get this made into a complete race issue to protect herself from getting into trouble with her land lord and the home owners association.

The first calls to the police were about the kids jumping the fence in the pool area and getting into a confrontation with security.

As one black resident put it "you've been bamaboozled" as he was saying it was the "7 knuckleheads" who jumped the fence that started the whole thing.

[BronxBoy]

21. The article clearly states...

that she was an observer while the other woman and girl fought and decided to start punching the girl. What does that have to do with who initiated the fight between the initial combatants? She attacked the girl without being assaulted

[JustAnotherGen]

24. Plus 1000

[Fiendish]

28. That was my bad.

However, I did edit my original comment. If the girl threw the first punch, Texas law may still allow for her actions to be considered in the defense of another.

[Arby]

31. The video

clearly shows her attempting to separate the two fighters along with others ...

[notadmblnd]

29. Cause there's no reliable witnesses, right?

All those black children are nothing but lying thugs right? Nothing they say can possibly be the truth, right?

Pathetic.

How's about creating a public disturbance, inciting a riot and assault for starters?

[BronxBoy]

34. Amazing isn't it.....

how some people are so quick to argue that there's a possibility that the Black girl started it but absolutely refuse to see culpability on the part of the other transgressors.

[Fiendish]

42. Uh.

Where did I "absolutely refuse to see culpability" on the part of the other "transgressors"?

Once again, what I said was "We don't know what happened. We have partial information. Thus, we should refrain from coming to a conclusion until we have the facts."

But hey, if you want to crucify someone in the court of public opinion, get busy with the hammer and nails. Don'l let a little thing like logic and reason stand in your way, dude.

[BronxBoy]

65. Please point out where I mentioned you by name...

Be very specific. Actually, feel free to cut and paste where I directly referred to you. If you can't, please keep your lectures to yourself.

[notadmblnd]

48. Yeah, that's the ticket. The young AA lady started the whole thing.

She called herself names and slapped herself too. Now she and all her friends are gonna lie on some poor bigoted white woman.

Losing her job should be the least of her problems. The only person I can possibly see having to go back to their Section 8 housing is the poor widdle bigot.

[JustAnotherGen]

68. Well you know . . .

I do that sometimes. Just for shits and giggles!

You won this thread.

[notadmblnd]

70. It's been a long time since I slapped myself

but I do call myself names just to keep myself in my place.

[JustAnotherGen]

81. I think I'm going to go upstairs

SOak in my spa tub, get in a good mood - and beat myself up.

That's such a good time!

[notadmblnd]

86. You are too funny.

[Fiendish]

39. Did I say that?

No, I don't believe I did.

Rather than responding to what you THINK I said, why not respond to what I ACTUALLY said?

[notadmblnd]

43. Didn't say you said it, now did I? I believe there was a a reply to you from me asking 3 questions

You answered none. At no time did I quote you on anything. Sorry, you lose, please play again.

[Fiendish]

55. Okay, let's play again.

No, it's not right that all those black children are lying thugs. But them saying "It happened this way" IS NOT PROOF. It's entirely probable they're telling the God's honest. It doesn't mean what they say functions as proof regarding criminal culpability.

Prove it, prove it, annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd prove it.

This video showing them fighting proves nothing, because it does not show the preceding interactions. Absent any kind of objective proof, it's he said/she said (or she said and they said/she and she said, as the case may be), so it's a wash.

All we can conclude from this video is that they DID go hands-on, but we can't conclude that one party or the other was guilty of making it a physical altercation.

[notadmblnd]

62. You don't know it there isn't proof. Just because you're not privy to it

There is evidence that this was started by white adult bigots tossing out racial slurs to children.The adults lied to police by telling the police that the children did not belong there.

Testimony is evidence in a court of law. And there is a video of a white woman assaulting a minor and an adult assaulting a minor is a crime anywhere in this country all day long. Even if a minor assaulted the white bigot first, it is still a crime for an adult to assault them. I also would not be surprised if other video of the event surfaced and if/when it does, that will also be evidence.


So you can just take your happy dancing shoes off, put them back on the shelf and save them for a later day.

[mercuryblues]

135. What I fail

to comprehend is that it has been confirmed by many, many witnesses the women were using racial slurs prior to this altercation. One woman jumps in and throws punches. But yet those women are supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt, because friends of theirs (who were not there) say differently.

people who instigated an altercation are to be given the benefit of the doubt over those who are victims of their verbal and physical abuse, because the majority of the victims are not only teens, but AfAm to boot.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. We can say whatever we want at DU

Start there.

There isn't one way of thought.

There is also nothing in TOS that says we can't scream guilty at the top of our lungs.

You've stated your case - now back away. Or - start a new thread for like minded people to respond to.

[heaven05]

106. you and your cohorts

have said a lot of things in this thread, selectively, to intimate who was the problem. It's as plain as day where you stand and it's across the line.

[randys1]

80. NO, Black people lie all the time, they are lazy too, and you ever notice the way they

wear their pants and the way they walk?

What is that word, shiffless...no, that isnt it, you know what I mean.

so many racists, so little time

[paul123456]

168. So which set of blacks is lying?

IS it Rhodes and the teens who say it was all about race an nd started when Rhodes and the white women were fighting?

OR is it the black residents, both adults and at least one teen, who have said it started when the 7 black boys, or as the teen put it "a bunch of black guys who don't belong here" jumped the fence and had a confrontation with security?

SO which are you calling the lying thugs?

[notadmblnd]

172. Why do you think either are lying? I think it is possible that all the kids are telling the truth

and that both events (kids jumping the fence and bigoted white women tossing out racial slurs) occurred. It is sad that you think one or the other has to be lying.

Is that what you think all young people of color do?

[paul123456]

174. the stories are contradictory

Because one group says it all started with the fight between Rhodes and the white women and was all racial based.


The other group says no it all started earlier with the boys who did not belong there climbing over the fence and was not racially based.

So did it start with Rhodes and the white woman's fight? Or did it start earlier in the pool area?

[notadmblnd]

175. I still don't think it has to be either or.

And it really doesn't matter what started it.

[uppityperson]

176. What do you mean by "it started"? Was the fight between Rhodes and the white woman racial based?

Was calling her the n word and telling her to go back to Section 8 housing racism?

You continue to say "it started". What do you mean by that? What "it"?

People arrived, then the white women insulted a group of teenagers with racial slurs, teens protested, adult grabbed teen's hair, then the cops arrived.

Look at this video
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1114703

[Fla Dem]

53. If nothing else it was child abuse. They girl was 14 years old and she was beating up on her.

Regardless who threw the 1st punch, you have an adult assaulting a child. The girl was entangled with the other woman and Tracey-Carver Allbritton just jumps in and starts throwing punches.

[paul123456]

169. You have to have a child involved for it to be assualt in a child

The black girl in the fight is Rhodes she is 19

[1monster]

90. Many years ago I worked for a very nice, family oriented tourist business. One night

a couple of young men who worked for that company got somewhat inebriated and used their pickup truck to make donuts and otherwise tear up a common area next to some wet lands that led to the river.

They got caught and arrested. The incident was reported in the local newspaper and the the company fired them immediately on reading the article. For bringing disrepute to the company.

More recently, someone I know was arrested for something that happened long before he started working for that company. That made the newspaper with some seriously hyped up "facts" on steroids. His employers fired him too... because too many people knew who he was and that he worked for that company: bringing disrepute to the company.

It's pretty much standard practice and has been for probably as long as people have employed others.

[citizen blues]

121. Actually, in this case, her behavior does represent the company.

This woman's racism brings into question her objectivity when doing her job. Remember, she works for a company that gathers information for B of A to make loan decisions for mortgages. She could easily leave something out or tweek something so an application fails when it's a minority borrower. After all, she's so clearly demonstrated how she feels about having minority neighbors.

This incident could bring federal investigators into her company tearing apart every single file she's touched. Her company is looking at the possibility of an employee being responsible for "Disparate Treatment" which is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Not only that, but because B of A has already been caught discriminating and faced fines, a tarnished reputation, etc., they are not going to look too kindly at a vendor company bringing this whole nightmare to their doorstep. The end result is that CorelLogic could potentially lose their largest client which would be devastating for the company.

So at this point, you bet your ass she's on administrative leave!!!!! That decision didn't even have to be debated. In the meantime, I'm sure the company is launching their own in-depth internal investigation in hopes of appeasing federal regulators. And HR is probably already working on her walking papers.

[RobinA]

162. Well, By This Logic

Let's say my liberalism calls into question my objectivity when doing my job. It might cause me to look the other way when my clients report that they work under the table. If I am looking the other way, I may not report their income when I help them apply for benefits, which they may then get because they they have no reported income. If someone finds out that income is being underreported, Feds could come and scrutinize my agency.

So better fire me now, because I am a liberal whose liberalism, conceivably, could cause me to do something that would be illegal. See how this works?

Disclaimer to NSA: I am not in the position to carry out any of the above hypothetical, but it is based on real world experience. I offer it arguendo.

[arcane1]

2. I'm still dying to know who that white guy was who was casually walking around

Has there been any more news on him?

[oberliner]

4. Why?

What kind of news are you looking for?

What do you want to know and what would you do with that information once you got it?

[arcane1]

7. Who do you care?

[oberliner]

10. Just curious why you want to know about him

To what end?

[locdlib]

87. because people are curious. maybe he wants people to know about him.

he sure did make sure to keep himself visible. why don't you want to know about such a highly visible person who made himself part of a such a hostile scene?

[elehhhhna]

104. he touched the other 2 girls and straddled the one while the cop went apeshit

[locdlib]

120. he sure did. he made himself a part of the scene and since he did that people are naturally curious

as to who/what he is and why he was there in the middle of everything. yet some on this thread seem to be protective of this man who fondled two bikini-clad underage girls and then straddled another bikini-clad underage girl who was already being manhandled by a raging idiot cop.

[DURHAM D]

13. Why? Waiting for him to be charged with

inappropriate sexual contact with a minor.

[oberliner]

16. Has there been such an accusation made?

I confess to not being totally clued in to all the details of this story.

[DURHAM D]

20. Perhaps you should watch the videos - look at the pics. nt

[oberliner]

26. I watched the video

What that cop did was awful, obviously. That was what I saw in the video. I didn't see any random white guy sexually assaulting girls on that video, nor have I read of anyone making such a claim or accusation on any news sites.

Can you point me to where an accusation of sexual assault has been made?

[phil89]

37. How ridiculous can you get?

What on Earth evidence is there of inappropriate sexual conduct? Are you serious? You're sounding quite silly.

[DURHAM D]

73. You are the one who is silly and apparently lost

as was asked of you after this post -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026812365#post8

Even though the Chief of Police said his actions were indefensible you are still arguing that the policeman did nothing wrong.

[heaven05]

108. If a black man did to young white girls

what that civilian did to those black girls, he would be in jail today for sexual assault. And the screaming by all the apologists for the cops, the racist white women and male civilian would be heard in China. How ridiculous, you sound, really

[Travis_0004]

40. Watch the video

When the officer takes the girl to the ground he spreads his arms and keeps other people from crowding around the officer. It looks like she sits up, not knowing he is there and for a second her head touches him in his genitals, and be backs up. I don't really see anything inappropriate.

[heaven05]

109. really!!!!

BS.

[Travis_0004]

113. Thank you for that informative post.

[heaven05]

115. wasn't trying to be "informative".

all the information needed and seen is in the actions of those racist white women, the fact that the outstanding majority of those targeted were POC who actually lived in that neighborhood, had passes to that 'white only pool' , that out of control cop and all the apologists for the racist white women and the asshole cop here. Take your pick.

[randys1]

82. Sounds good to me, the parents of that little girl might wanna slap the prick too

[JustAnotherGen]

64. Personally - I'm looking to find out if he's a pervert

Welcome To Girl World - when I look at him he gives me the creeps. Pressing his junk up beside that girls head -yuck.


Or - is he just normal and in need of modifying his behavior to not give the wrong impression?

[oberliner]

69. OK

But has anyone actually accused this person of sexual assault or anything of that nature?

The focus, in my opinion, should be in dealing with the egregious behavior of the police officer.

[JustAnotherGen]

77. That's YOUR focus

You.

Yours.

People are different.

Not everyone has to think exactly like you.

Google Arthur Shawcross - his girlfriend used to be a maid in one of my mom's hotels - and I'd stop by to see her - and he was always hanging around.

And the "say what?" in our family was - jag kept pointing out to her mom that he was creepy and pervy. At that time - he had not yet committed or been convicted of a crime!

I was also stalked for ten years by a freaky perv who just got fixated on me. It eended because he killed himself last July.

I know pervy creeps - and it's only a matter of time with that one.

[oberliner]

85. Yes exactly

That's why I wrote, "in my opinion".

I understand that everyone has their own opinion.

That being said, I am now interested in finding out if there has been any accusation of sexual assault since folks appear to have observed something along those lines in the video (I confess to have only watched it once).

Have you heard of any such accusation from any of the kids or parents or anyone on the scene?

[JustAnotherGen]

89. Look at the still shots

Im not a large woman - his body language - yikes. And he's pressed up against her.

Maybe you can only see it if you've been threatened by a large man you don't know before.
He's got his junk up against her head.

Step back - put yourself on the ground in that bikini - get down on the ground.

I said a few days ago - she's going to have a fear of white males for a long time.

Cop - or not.

[djean111]

5. I thought I read somewhere here at DU that he worked for the apartment complex.

[DURHAM D]

14. It is an HOA.

If he is an employee of the HOA or a board member or a designated pool monitor then the Association will be sued.

[jaysunb]

8. Me too...

I read on another thread that he's supposed to be the "pool monitor," or some such shit as that. I really, really want to know who he is and his relationship to the event.

[valerief]

41. You mean the fat white guy rubbing his genitals on the kid's head?

[Paladin]

79. Me too!

The big-bellied guy in the denim shorts and tan knit shirt, right in the middle of the cops and swimmers, strutting around like he owned the whole freaking neighborhood? Yeah, the media needs to run that guy down and get his story---I bet he's got some "interesting" things to say.

[randys1]

83. His story is he is superior to those Black folk and he will treat them accordingly

AGAIN

STUNNED I am at the PATIENCE of the Black people in America

[Paladin]

91. That's the story I got from his body language. (nt)

[Judi Lynn]

99. Yep. A lot of people have wondered, as well. He had her trapped between his flabby thighs

so she couldn't get up and run off, despite the fact she had continued to sit in the same spot during the time the cop ran off to chase the boys who had stepped in momentarily to assure the girl in the yellow bathing suit that they would call her mother for her. The big, taller man in jean shorts, and a polo shirt, and a beer belly stepped over and positioned his thighs on either side of her shoulders so she couldn't move to leave, while the cop ran after the boys upon whom he had drawn his gun.

That showed anyone looking that he wasn't too worried about the girl, if he decided to pull his gun upon two boys assuring her they would call her mother, then ran off trying to catch them. Meanwhile, the large man decided he'd better pin her to her spot so she wouldn't run off to invade other swimming pools.

I've seen some hilarious remarks from people commenting on him pressing his lower extremities against the girl. Just can't remember where on Twitter it was.

It made me sick as soon as I saw it, before I saw any remarks from anyone else. He was a total a$$, and his name should be published, as well, as he needed to keep a non-legs-on distance from the kid if he wanted to make sure she didn't "escape", which she was not even close to doing.

[heaven05]

107. He was the pool manager

and he also assaulted black kids in the video and the 14 years old that the asshole cop abused.. He was not just standing around.

[DURHAM D]

112. Not sure what a pool manager is in an HOA

but my guess is that pervert was self-appointed.

[Yupster]

134. I assumed he was the pool security guy

No reason why other than that's what he looked like to me.

[uppityperson]

3. Thanks for the article. Good.

[valerief]

6. Good on CoreLogic. I hope they let her go. I wonder who that other POS adult is. nt

[Dont call me Shirley]

11. Looks like Tracey and Core-logic have the same mentality.

"CoreLogic has been providing various financial and home loan services to Bank of America since at least 2011, which is around the time the U.S. Department of Justice settled a $335 million suit for racially discriminating against African Americans and Latinos in home mortgage lending."

They'll likely quietly find her an obscure position in one of their other bigoted firms after all this media brouhaha is shut down.

[Arby]

18. I don't see it.

Yes the woman is hitting the other woman, but it certainly appears she's attempting to break the two women apart. Once the two women are separated, she pulls the other white woman away (just as others are pulling the other woman away) from the encounter and puts space between the fighters. IMO, this is another media driven example of guilt before the facts are know. The woman's room-mate (a Black man BTW) states that she is on no way racists and she was in fact just attempting to break up the fight ...

[BronxBoy]

22. Yet there are dozens of folks who state...

that she was yelling racial epithets at the girl.

[Arby]

50. I haven't seen those statements

Can you please provide sources?

[jeff47]

98. You don't know how to find google?

Or the other posts in this thread? Some of them even provide a video of another girl saying the woman started the fight.

[Arby]

127. Silly me.

Of course I can use a search engine. However, since you're the one making assertions of evidence against this woman, I foolishly believed you had some verifiable support. (And here I thought it was just cons who used this kind of obfuscation to promote their point of view.)

As for the woman who started the fight, was she the one fighting, or the one breaking up the fight? I've seen a video that named a woman who slapped a teen as Kate...?

Look, as I've stated, the women were wrong, but IMO the video proves nothing and it appears more likely the woman in question here was attempting to break up the fight, not pile on the teen ...

Damn the torpedoes!

[jeff47]

139. Yes, silly you for insisting the answer be presented on a silver platter

instead of bothering to look at another post in the thread where the evidence you seek is provided.

Fine. Go look at post #94. Now do you need me to do your laundry for you? Perhaps I could vacuum.

[Arby]

163. Silly you.

Watched the "video" (before your reply) and this is what was gleaned:

- It was an "older man" who was racially disparaging the black teens
- Both women fighting were adults (true the teen was 18, but that is the legal age of majority)
- The video never stated which woman became violent 1st
- The two older white women were said to be upset because they thought the teens were being disrespectful to their elders
- The video clearly shows the woman in question pulling her friend away while slapping her opponent (open-hand) on the top of the head and screaming "get off"
- After separating the women, the woman in question continues to pull her friend away from the confrontation

Now just exactly what about this information supports your conclusion?

Actually it doesn't matter, you are clearly not rally interested in facts.

- Peace

[jeff47]

165. Pssst...there's more than one video.

- It was an "older man" who was racially disparaging the black teens

Except the white witness clearly states it was the woman and her female friend.

Both women fighting were adults (true the teen was 18, but that is the legal age of majority)

Except the white witness clearly states the white woman grabbed the 14-year-old black girl.

- The video never stated which woman became violent 1st

Except the white witness clearly state the white woman slapped the black girl first.

The video clearly shows the woman in question pulling her friend away while slapping her opponent (open-hand) on the top of the head and screaming "get off"

Also known as assault and battery.

- After separating the women, the woman in question continues to pull her friend away from the confrontation

Oh yeah, that totally negates the assault she just finished.

[Skittles]

30. WATCH IT, RACISTS

YOUR UGLY ASS IS BEING FILMED TOO

[maindawg]

33. She will be charged with assault

The girl who she assaulted will press charges or her parents will. Then let the judge decide by all the evidence. If she is found guilty , and the burden of proof for assault is pretty easy to achieve,all you have to do is touch another person and you could be charged with assault, she will do 30 to 90 days in county jail. And then she may be liable in a civil suit.

[Boxerfan]

44. The Fiendish sandwich now at Arby!

Two layers of ......

Brietbart burger with a layer of Faux cheese maybe?

[Enthusiast]

59. +1

[DURHAM D]

74. Thread win.

[heaven05]

110. +1000

excellent......

[SwankyXomb]

118. Just waiting for the pizza delivery

[RandiFan1290]

131. Pizza?

It is obvious that the poster is a racist troll but I see no evidence that the poster supports Bernie or any other liberals.

Might have to wait a while for that pizza at the new DU.

[They_Live]

119. oh yes.

thank you sir.

[Ahpook]

51. This is crazy

I think all of our initial reactions were correct. The cops turned this mess into what it is.

I see people fighting for whatever reason. I see guns being drawn. I see children running away from the cop who pulled the pistol. Then I see cops chasing them to only come back in view with what looks like a child spitting blood from his mouth.

Its the fucking pigs! They are supposedly trained to stop these things, but these assholes made it worse.

[Enthusiast]

60. They made it worse. Yes they did.

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[d_r]

114. yeah they did and

yeah it is crazy. That cop on the video was a freaking nut case. It boggles my mind that people can not see that the racism that was behind this. Its like cognitive dissonance or something. There are so many white people that are so quick to jump on anything and try to find a reason for it not being racist. It just doesn't seem to be nuanced to me. It was freaking nuts.

[marble falls]

92. While I hate to see anyone lose their employment, I can understand why the employer would chose...

to make a statement about responsibility and civil behavior - let alone the racism and racist drive in Tracy Carver-Albritton's unwarranted attacks on people who had passes and were residents to the swim party.

[marble falls]

93. While I hate to see anyone lose their employment, I can understand why the employer would chose...

to make a statement about responsibility and civil behavior - let alone the racism and racist drive in Tracy Carver-Albritton's unwarranted attacks on people who had passes and were residents, at the swim party.

[happyslug]

116. Let me read this carefully, this is NOT one of the two women in a mutual headlock..,.

But the one white woman who appears to be trying to break up the fight by pulling the other white woman away from the African American female, as two African American Males pull the African American Female away. Her main thrusts was to separate the other two women, but she did get in some hits at the end as the other two women were separated.

Sorry, in the video it shows this woman helping to BREAK UP THE FIGHT. She may have hit the African American Female, but it is unclear if that was to break up the fight OR gets some hits in (The more I look at it, the woman is trying to break a hold NOT to do damage). The only words I can tell she spoke was "Get her off of her" as the two African American Males pulled the African American Female away.

She then walks away with the other white woman, more escorting her out of the area.

[bravenak]

122. Her large ass self had no damn business hitting anybody. I don't hit skinny ass teenagers.

Breaking up a fight does not require you to punch one of the combatants while protecting the other one. It's called jumping where I'm from. She deserves to be ashamed. She is an adult with children o her own, I'm sure. Sh tried to get her licks in on a kid and got caught. Actions create consequences.

[happyslug]

138. How do you break up a fight when you do NOT have the strength to pull them apart?

The two African American MALES had a problem pulling the African American FEMALE from the fight, the woman who was suspended from her job, was first seen pushing the other white female away, then making some hits (more like slaps) to break the hold of the African American Female on the White Female.

Thus my question how would you have broken up that fight? If they were males, no problem just stand in the middle a separate them. Males have rules when in comes to fight and we rarely break them (most male fighting is more jockeying for position within a male hierarchy as opposed to fights to the death, we do NOT want to do harm to each other, just see who is stronger). Thus when someone stands between two males as they are fighting, they tend to stop fighting.

Females, when they fight, tend to be to the death. i.e. you can be harmed if you step between them as they try to go through you to get at each other. I knew a teacher, who said he NEVER had a problem breaking up fight about high school boys, but lost a tooth when he had to break up a girl fight.

Given that background, what is this woman doing in this video? She is separating the two women who are fighting. The two MALES have the other female and having a hard time pulling her away. Sorry, the "Hits" by this white woman can be explained as her attempts to break the hold of the two women who appear to be in some sort of death grip with each other. How would you handle the situation? Or would you be like the other people you hear in the video, just leave them fight it out?

[bravenak]

141. I have broken up plenty of fights.

If you start hitting one of the combatants, you become one of the combatants.
You pull your friend away, you do not hit the person they are fighting. That is called jumping and will get you messed up.
You cannot abuse teenagers. If that girl was fighting another grown woman, what sense does it make for her big ass to startt hitting the teen too? It's called jumping.

[happyslug]

142. I am sorry, but the woman made two swings, AND it may have been on her friend's arms

We can NOT tell from that video what the woman hit. Furthermore I have broken up a lot of fights and have never had to hit anyone, but I will not judge others, especially someone breaking up a fight.

Anyway, I notice you did not say how you would have broke up this fight. The two African American Males grabbed the African American Female and are seen dragging her away, while she still has a death grip on the white woman. Both women seems to have a death grip on each other, you had to break that grip. That appears to be all the White Woman is doing, once the death grip was broken, she took her friend away. I notice the two African American Males were having a problem pulling the African American woman away do to the death grip. That grip had to be broken and we may disagree on this woman's method, I did notice it worked.

[bravenak]

146. By making those swings and hitting a girl that was already being hit by another grown woman...

She became a part of the problem. She was not being assaulted. She assaulted smaller woman who was already being hit.
Her method may have worked, but it also got her suspended from her job. And a public shaming. She looked bad.

[happyslug]

155. The two women were in a death grip, neither were hitting the other.

Hitting would have required one of them to leave go, and neither wanted to leave go. What you are saying is the woman should have stood aside and leave these other two women batter each other. The two males, were just pulling the African Woman away, that would have been useless without someone pulling the White Woman away. Something had to be done, the two African American Males were doing all they could, but they need held and this woman was THE ONLY PERSON HELPING THEM BREAK UP THIS FIGHT.

Think about what the alternative would have been, those two women fighting while the two African American Males are pulling the African American woman away, but the white woman AND the African American woman NOT leave go of each other. Someone had to get a hold of the White woman, and the woman who did the slapping (it is open hand) did something.

[bravenak]

158. You are a trip

[BronxBoy]

149. So if one of those Black males....

dropped that White woman with a fist to the face, you'd be ok with it? That would have seperated them for sure

And why didn't she hit the White woman?

[happyslug]

156. If that was the only way to break up the fight, yes. Through in this case that would have excessive.

The better method would have more people join in an pull the White Woman away, but no one was helping the two African American Males EXCEPT the woman who did the slapping. You have the right to use whatever force is needed to break up the fight, but it is limited to what is the minimum needed to break up the fight.

Someone needed to break up that mutual death grip, the best way is for someone to push his body between these two women, but the two African American Males were already committed to their action and it looks like the white woman did not have the strength to do that herself.

[paul123456]

171. the teen was an adult she is 19

The teen is 19 that is Rhodes the party organizer

[bravenak]

173. So what? What does that have to do with a super large woman hitting her?

[JustAnotherGen]

125. Two Oder white witnesses

People who were there - disagree

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1114703

[happyslug]

140. In that video, the white girl said she was placed in handcuffs.

Thus that is clear evidence this was NOT racial, at least on part of the police. The Police were detaining anyone they thought were involved in the reported fight. The white girl in the video was asked if she was involved, she said yes, and the police cuffed her. That she thought she had done nothing wrong was immaterial, the Police were going to arrest everyone involved, innocent and guilty together, and leave a judge figure out what happened.

The police were told that a fight had broken out at the pool and they had to contain it, which is apparently what they did. Such containment is NOT always nice, in most cases tend to look bad.

[JustAnotherGen]

147. This is odd

She's a girl? Not andolescent or threatening 15 year old?

It's no evidence my friend - but if you sleep better at night - good for you!

I'm sure the cops boss thought differently - looks like it.

[JustAnotherGen]

148. I've got someone else for you to defend

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026816184


Go ahead. You know you want to. Go defend her.

[happyslug]

157. Why? I am defending someone for her ACTIONS not her words...

All I am saying given the video we have, that action of the woman who helped break up the fight between the other two woman were reasonable under the circumstances. Now, you bring in some racist claptrap and say it is the same thing. The video does NOT say who started the fight, who was wrong in the fight etc. The video just showed two women in some sort of mutual death grip, two two African American Males trying to pull one of those women away and a third woman trying to pull the other woman away.

The cause of the fight may be racism, but the video only shows the break up of the fight and the efforts of the people trying to break the fight up. Your statement is like someone complaining of the word "Negro" in Martin Luther King's "I have a Dream Speech" on the grounds "Negro" is a derogatory name for African Americans. I am commenting on CONDUCT and you on Rhetoric. With Rhetoric you can more clearly see racism, in conduct it is harder for there are often other reasons for the conduct, reasons I have pointed out.

Here is MLK's speech:

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm

[JustAnotherGen]

160. In the words of MLK

I can't wait to see Jurassic World this summer!

You know I completed a script a few weeks ago takes place in 1954. Starts in Gouldtown NJ. I have a black business owner (it was an all black town then - very interesting history) complaining about having to use negro instead of colored!

Read about it in an old Jet from 1952 - turns out I work with a girl whose family still lives there - and her great grandfather is still running his gas station there and still saying his same stuff!

Thanks for 'splaining MLK to me.

I is smarter now.

[7wo7rees]

126. Finally and BEAUTIFUL!!!!! n/t

[Starry Messenger]

133. K&R

[libodem]

154. I had always assumed

It was illegal for an adult to strike a child under 18. Like a statutory law? It should be that way for law enforcement as well. Grown adults should not be assaulting children for the same reason men are not supposed to hit women. There is a size and judgment gradient. Right?

[RobinA]

161. I Find This Frightening

Losing your job for noncriminal, out of work behavior? Not a road I would think people would want to start down. Well, we've already started down it, but I'm not sure we should be continuing down it.

"They came for the racists and I wasn't a racist, so I said nothing..."

[threethirteen]

170. Racists need jobs too!

There is absolutely no way I can ever justify what this lady did. I just can't. However, there is a reason we have a judicial system. It is for when citizens break other citizen rights to peaceably enjoy their communities. The judicial system was created to handle these issues by a preponderance of evidence and accused citizens become guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Trying to get someone fired because you saw something on the internet is not the same thing. That is revenge. Something our judicial system is supposed to weed out.

We have to take our justice system more seriously. It is what makes us the good guys. We have to show these guys why our way is better; why deliberation and strong evidence are necessary.

I read not too long ago about how the Swedish perceive criminals. It was something like we don't see these people as bad, just the things they did. We have this concept in this country that if you do bad things, you a a bad person, a throwaway...a mistake. Whereas, most people are good, they just do bad things that hurt people. I can't make the case for Hitler, and I won't. But this lady is a combination of good and bad...just like the rest of us.

Let the courts do their job, and let this lady keep her way of making a living. Saying she needs to be fired is just a cruel way of seeking the justice you want when we have a system already in place. If that system doesn't work right, then we the people need to make sure it is corrected.