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Omaha Steve

(99,653 posts)
Tue May 19, 2015, 04:41 AM May 2015

Native Americans protest South High's refusal to let student wear eagle plumes, beads on graduation

Last edited Tue May 19, 2015, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Omaha World Herald

By Erin Duffy

John Andrew Tate pointed proudly to the eagle feathers hanging from his hat and asked the Omaha school board a single question.

“Do I have bling-bling on?” he said.

Tate and other members of the city’s Native American community showed up before the Omaha Public Schools board Monday night to protest a decision by South High to bar a student from wearing eagle plumes and beads on her graduation cap at Tuesday’s commencement ceremony.

South High staff allegedly told the student that no adornments — specifically, no “bling” — could be attached to caps.

FULL story at link. UPDATE ...The school board reverses it's decision: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141097655



Read more: http://www.omaha.com/news/education/native-americans-protest-south-high-s-refusal-to-let-student/article_1266ef66-fdc5-11e4-80a4-e3afc89ddc78.html

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Native Americans protest South High's refusal to let student wear eagle plumes, beads on graduation (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2015 OP
No one could call it "bling," for crissakes. No one sane, that is. What a shame. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #1
Self-important bigots. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #2
Feathers and beads on a graduation cap? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #12
Why not? To these Native Americans, the feather belonged on the headgear, pnwmom May 2015 #18
As usual, I agree with you very much! I just do not see the BFD over this. We are supposed to be a RKP5637 May 2015 #30
And Native Americans wear the feathers for ceremony. Many also have them in their homes. It is jwirr May 2015 #19
Maybe I'm picturing a more elaborate amount of feathers ??? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #21
Since eagle feathers are scare (they cannot be killed for their feathers) they usually only have one jwirr May 2015 #23
Good to know. TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #25
I know - she probably wore it dangling from the back down her back. jwirr May 2015 #27
well we are relieved that it is okay with you CreekDog May 2015 #54
Here are some photos of what some Native American students have wanted to wear. pnwmom May 2015 #61
It looks like most are just wearing the feather as part of the tassle. Lizzie Poppet May 2015 #80
For that matter, why should someone wear honor cords? historylovr May 2015 #45
what is the issue with minorities? CreekDog May 2015 #53
Everyone must be the same ya know newfie11 May 2015 #3
Not quite. They are being asked to adopt the customs of Western Europeans that the first jtuck004 May 2015 #5
I was being sarcastic newfie11 May 2015 #9
I should have picked up on that - it was late. <G>. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #40
Lol newfie11 May 2015 #41
Wow, I haven't seen someone use the <G> in YEARS! Reter May 2015 #79
"..I first went online in 1993" < You're welcome for the work we did to make it available.<G> n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #82
Very good point. The white establishment used to go so far as to steal Native children taking them jwirr May 2015 #22
If you search "bling on graduation caps" TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #26
Searched and you are right about the word. jwirr May 2015 #28
Yes the children were taken newfie11 May 2015 #42
We haven't really shelved that attitude either, just changed the skin color we are focusing on. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #46
Your so right. newfie11 May 2015 #74
The purpose of school is evidently to produce interchangeable parts for the machine. . . Journeyman May 2015 #4
You don't think much of public school education. TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #17
Not as practiced in that district. Plenty of districts are more flexible pnwmom May 2015 #20
I agree with Journeyman. It's part of the problem. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #39
I remember what Russel Means said about the purpose of schools. Fodder for the industrial machine. Autumn May 2015 #24
Yes he was! Nt newfie11 May 2015 #43
I like to use one instance to infer a conclusion also. LanternWaste May 2015 #47
“Nobody at school is going to tell a young lady not to wear a crucifix to her graduation,” progressoid May 2015 #6
Should she be allowed to dangle a prominent crucifix one from her cap? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #16
I've seen people write messages on the top of mortar boards progressoid May 2015 #38
Sometimes Not RobinA May 2015 #49
If any Texas school superintendent prohibited a student from wearing a prominent crucifix pnwmom May 2015 #62
Actually, there are quite a few Christians in Texas TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #70
Right, because they're bigoted against Catholics and Mexicans, too. So what would happen pnwmom May 2015 #73
WTF? Enthusiast May 2015 #7
So much power heaven05 May 2015 #8
++++++++++++++++++++nt newfie11 May 2015 #10
I grew up in SD turbinetree May 2015 #13
thank you heaven05 May 2015 #14
I buy from turbinetree May 2015 #77
Yep Pine Ridge has not improved since you were there sadly. newfie11 May 2015 #44
It has gotten turbinetree May 2015 #78
the dominant culture makes the rules but word got out Backwoodsrider May 2015 #36
I hope their protest results in a change of mind, this student's ancestors were here FIRST. secondwind May 2015 #11
Bigotry is truly a low state of mind/being. If bigots realized in a flash if a moment how utterly Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #15
Modern society -> alienation -> identity politics. Sgt Preston May 2015 #29
Just this past Friday night I attended the asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #31
The problem is where would this stop? happyslug May 2015 #32
So the scarves worn by Military veterans are off asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #33
So we have Military Veterans in High School??? happyslug May 2015 #57
If they were ROTC they would be able to wear that asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #72
The line has to be drawn somewhere Sobax May 2015 #35
One more way gypsy3 May 2015 #34
Welcome to DU - and thank you for your post asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #37
Native Americans RobinA May 2015 #48
"Native Americans"? Larry Engels May 2015 #50
Maybe you should audit a 1st or 2d grade class at your giftedgirl77 May 2015 #51
Thanks, giftedgirl, for your kind, informative answer. Anyone else want to try? Larry Engels May 2015 #52
Native American is a tag white Americans give to the indigenous people Cleita May 2015 #55
Thanks, Cleita. Larry Engels May 2015 #56
How do those terms get adapted for use by individual persons? A white person can't pnwmom May 2015 #63
I use First Nations or indigenous people myself. Cleita May 2015 #64
But how do you refer to an individual person who was born into a culture that pnwmom May 2015 #65
So use what you like. eom Cleita May 2015 #67
Interestingly, a lot of my First Nations acquaintances call themselves "Indians." Lizzie Poppet May 2015 #81
The names of people and things change over time, but their intention is to define people or things happyslug May 2015 #58
So many words, so little clarity. Larry Engels May 2015 #59
You troll poorly. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #60
Why don't you give him some tips? Beauregard May 2015 #66
Why is that exactly? giftedgirl77 May 2015 #68
Your post is an excellent example of what I mean. Beauregard May 2015 #69
Oh I'm happy, I just call bullshit when I see it. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #71
I'm putting you on "ignore." Sgt Preston May 2015 #75
Thanks for the heads up. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #76

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
12. Feathers and beads on a graduation cap?
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:48 AM
May 2015

Really?

Why should he single himself out with feathers and beads when the ceremony is for the entire graduation class? Class is walking in...oops!...there's the guy with the feathers and beads! Yep, that's him! He's the Native American. He's made sure that everyone knows who he is. Is that really what graduation is about?

Many girls at our local high school will wear their traditional head coverings "under" their caps, but they wear them every single day as part of their faith. They aren't going to stand out.


pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
18. Why not? To these Native Americans, the feather belonged on the headgear,
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:40 AM
May 2015

not around a neck. But it is just as much a religious symbol. Did you read how they had been doing this for years, and praying over the feathers and beads?

And I think a Muslim girl who wears a "traditional head covering" hanging down under her cap will stand out just as much. The fact that they wear them every single day doesn't increase its value as a religious symbol. In fact, their religion doesn't require female headgear and many female Muslims don't wear it. That is a cultural custom.

If Muslims can wear added headgear, then Native Americans should be able to also. It's not fair to single out Native Americans as expressing their faith inappropriately.

http://www.omaha.com/news/education/native-americans-protest-south-high-s-refusal-to-let-student/article_1266ef66-fdc5-11e4-80a4-e3afc89ddc78.html

Her older sister, Nicole Tamayo, said that decision has devastated her little sister, who wanted to pay tribute to her Sicangu Lakota heritage by decorating her graduation cap. The feathers and beads are prayed over in a special ceremony and represent the hard work a student has achieved in order to graduate.

“We fought a long time to be able to wear our feathers, to practice our religious rights,” said Tamayo, a project director for a drug and suicide prevention program at the Nebraska Urban Indian Health Coalition. “My sister was told if she wore the plume on her cap she wouldn’t be able to walk (at graduation) and would have her diploma withheld from her.”

SNIP

Tamayo’s nephew wore feathers on his cap without any fuss last year when he graduated from South, and Elizabeth Brown said she decorated her cap with the symbols when she graduated from Central High in 2004.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
30. As usual, I agree with you very much! I just do not see the BFD over this. We are supposed to be a
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:15 AM
May 2015

nation of equality, equal rights, etc., etc. but bigoted authoritarianism views/mandates creep into so many areas in this country. It is ridiculous and hostile IMO for this school to pursue this reasoning of theirs.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. And Native Americans wear the feathers for ceremony. Many also have them in their homes. It is
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:42 AM
May 2015

not different than wearing a cross for Christians or the head coverings for the girls.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
21. Maybe I'm picturing a more elaborate amount of feathers ???
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:47 AM
May 2015

A feather dangling would be fine as a symbol of his faith. But numerous ceremonial feathers and beads all over the cap might be over the top, since it is a public school ceremony and not a religious ceremony.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. Since eagle feathers are scare (they cannot be killed for their feathers) they usually only have one
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:54 AM
May 2015

to a family.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
61. Here are some photos of what some Native American students have wanted to wear.
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:04 PM
May 2015

Yes, we are talking about students wearing single feathers, not full headdresses. Students who look like these:

https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1279&bih=822&q=eagle+feather+graduation+cap&oq=eagle+feather+graduation+cap&gs_l=img.12...4207.8379.0.14092.28.10.0.18.18.0.97.800.10.10.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.64.img..4.24.828.JGKBDBuW1Gk#


Here’s a story about a district with a much more enlightened head, although a vice principal had an initial negative reaction.


http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/11/28/high-schooler-first-not-allowed-then-allowed-wear-eagle-feather-graduation-cap-63373


Tonie liked Mykillie’s idea about wearing the feather, and she consulted with her tribal elders at the Fort Peck Reservation in Montana, who told her she had to apply to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service (FWS) with the proper documentation for the feather. Once she had that, they said, her daughter should be able to wear an eagle feather however she wanted.
Tonie filed the papers with FWS on September 19, 2011. Then she checked with Reynolds High School to make sure that Mykillie wearing an eagle feather would not be a problem. A vice principal told her there was a policy of not allowing graduates to wear any adornments on their caps or gowns in order to prevent disruptions during the graduation ceremony. He said Mykillie could only wear the eagle feather in her hair, under her cap.

“The eagle feather is part of our heritage,” Mykillie says, explaining why wearing it in her cap was important. “We wear eagle feathers in our hair for everyday things like pow wows. Wearing it in the graduation cap shows high achievement.”

Tonie asked the school to give her a copy of the “no-adornment” policy in writing. She says the vice principal told her that this was the rule and always had been, but he was unable to produce it in writing. Tonie says his voice became firmer and louder as she continued to question him about where she could get a copy of this rule. “He embarrassed me in front of the staff and the students by the aggressive tone of voice he used,” she says.

SNIP

Many people responded to Tonie’s call for help. Within days, she met with Connie Philibert in the office of Reynolds School District Superintendent Joyce Henstrand. Philibert assured Tonie that this was not going to be a problem, adding that she, as a member of the school board, could not remember ever having a conversation about a graduation dress code for Native students.

Philibert took the issue to the school superintendent and on September 30 Tonie received an e-mail from Henstrand: “You are correct in that there is no policy that would preclude your daughter from wearing an eagle feather. In fact, I am very familiar with the honor that Native students feel when they wear an eagle feather at graduation and federal laws related to this issue. We would be proud to have her wear her eagle feather.”

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
80. It looks like most are just wearing the feather as part of the tassle.
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:35 AM
May 2015

I certainly wouldn't have objected. It's not like it's some over-the-top, ostentatious display that would be disruptive.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
45. For that matter, why should someone wear honor cords?
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:27 PM
May 2015

Why single themselves out "when the ceremony is for the entire graduation class?" Ooh, look, I'm the smart kid.

Not trying to pick on you, but I see no problem with this. Maybe he wants to honor his heritage.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
53. what is the issue with minorities?
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:41 PM
May 2015

can you be more insensitive?

this is what got you into trouble last time.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
3. Everyone must be the same ya know
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:06 AM
May 2015

Forget their heritage. That's what's wrong in this country, that's why we have the racial problems in this country.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. Not quite. They are being asked to adopt the customs of Western Europeans that the first
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:25 AM
May 2015

Universities here adopted to under-gird their "authority", not just a neutral set of behaviors that everyone must subscribe to.

They are being asked to change and present themselves as the Western Europeans who killed perhaps 50-80 million of their direct ancestors for our and other's profit. There are other ways of "graduating" from a learning experience. In Sweden you might get drunk and drag a bush down Main Street...

"Studenten is an everyday term for the high school graduation in Sweden and the celebrations around it. When the Swedish students graduate from their upper secondary school they perform some big and special traditions before and during the graduation day (studenten).
The high school graduation time in Sweden is often around June. People are happy, the weather is hopefully nice and flowers are blooming. This is a really good time of year in Sweden. If you happen to be out on the street in a town or city in which a high school is located, don’t be surprised to find a parade of tractors, fancy cars or funny looking cars, all decorated with birch trees, balloons and big signs with names and slogans. Along with all this you’ll see loads of excited, happy, relieved and maybe a bit drunk graduation students." Wiki

Here it's not just everyone doing the same thing, but everyone else being told that they are going to do it the way the majority group (today) wants it done, by force if necessary.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
9. I was being sarcastic
Tue May 19, 2015, 07:52 AM
May 2015

Sorry I should have said that.
I am very familiar with Native Americans and what they've endured over the years. I have worked on 3 Rez in SD and one in ND.
I have some very good Lakota friends.

Prejudice is of course still going on and people on the "outside" are full of belittling sarcastic remarks. Most have never had Native American friends or seen what life is like on the Rez.

Our government did this, created these problems, but the Native Americans are the ones that get the blame.

The corruption by our government toward the Native Americans has been horrible. Lies upon lies.
After a while ( generations) people give up and have no hope. If they do protest the FBI decends to "clear thing up"!

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
79. Wow, I haven't seen someone use the <G> in YEARS!
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:53 AM
May 2015

That was big before LOL became mainstream and took it over. Popular when I first went online in 1993.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
82. "..I first went online in 1993" < You're welcome for the work we did to make it available.<G> n/t
Wed May 27, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
22. Very good point. The white establishment used to go so far as to steal Native children taking them
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:52 AM
May 2015

to schools far away from home to indoctrinate them into being white. I have heard stories from the elders on how they were severely punished for using their own language at these schools.

The person who made this decision and called it bling is not fit to run a school. They need to learn history.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
42. Yes the children were taken
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:57 AM
May 2015

To school the savages .
The kids hair was cut off ( very traumatic). They did not see their parents again until school was over ( summer).
Can u imagine that being done to a child at 5-6 years old!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
46. We haven't really shelved that attitude either, just changed the skin color we are focusing on. n/t
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:36 PM
May 2015

Journeyman

(15,035 posts)
4. The purpose of school is evidently to produce interchangeable parts for the machine. . .
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:21 AM
May 2015

small cogs and simple wheels to be used as grist alone with no adornment.

To retain elements of a personality, at the end of 18 years of mind-numbing pablum, is to deny the cookie-cutter nature of the process. It throws a wrench, or rather, drops a feather in the mix and says, in essence, despite all you did to crush and defile me, I remain a human being, capable of independent thought, and more than willing to assert myself.

In other words, a visual symbol of the failure of the system, a constant recognition that life can and should be better.

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
24. I remember what Russel Means said about the purpose of schools. Fodder for the industrial machine.
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:56 AM
May 2015

That has stuck with me for years. He was so right.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
47. I like to use one instance to infer a conclusion also.
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

I like to use one instance to infer a conclusion also. As doing so requires little to no critical thought, our biases are more easily validated...

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
6. “Nobody at school is going to tell a young lady not to wear a crucifix to her graduation,”
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:39 AM
May 2015
“Nobody at school is going to tell a young lady not to wear a crucifix to her graduation,” community member Jordan Menard said. “Nobody is going to tell anybody not to wear something that represents their faith. But somebody told a young lady not to wear an eagle feather.”


TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
16. Should she be allowed to dangle a prominent crucifix one from her cap?
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:57 AM
May 2015

I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

No one is attending graduation to celebrate their heritage or their religion. They are attending graduation to celebrate their successful completion of high school.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
49. Sometimes Not
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:09 PM
May 2015

I went to one, the first, of my three graduations. I am not much for ritual, but I think that if you are going to participate in ritual you do it with respect for the ritual and the people to whom it is important. I found high school graduation appalling, with stuff written on caps, air horns, silly string and the like. If the ceremony means so little to you, stay the hell home. I didn't know what graduation was going to mean to me before I went to that first one, but I found the reality farcical. It was supposed to be a solumn occasion, but people turned it into a joke... Thereafter I stayed the hell home.

Academic dress is a traditional dress. Yes, it's European and therefore allowed to be derided these days. No feathers, no crucifixes, no lettering on caps, no bling. The honest thing to do if one doesn't like it or approve of it is to abstain from it.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
62. If any Texas school superintendent prohibited a student from wearing a prominent crucifix
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

on her cap, that superintendent would be run out of town on a rail.

And you know it.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
70. Actually, there are quite a few Christians in Texas
Tue May 19, 2015, 06:43 PM
May 2015

who do not care for the crucifix. (A crucifix has the corpus on it, while a cross does not.) Most protestants do not wear or own a crucifix. Too Roman Catholic.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
73. Right, because they're bigoted against Catholics and Mexicans, too. So what would happen
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:52 PM
May 2015

if a principal tried to stop a student from wearing a graduation cap with a "Christian" cross on it?

You know the town would rise up against the principal.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. So much power
Tue May 19, 2015, 07:30 AM
May 2015

in the hands of the petty ignorant, bigoted and just plain stupid 'leaders'.This is an example of the continuing cultural genocide on top of the generations of physical genocide perpetrated on Native-americans by god fearing, 'decent' amerikans. Pigs. If it's not shooting some POC in the back or for walking through their own neighborhood, it is the continuing denial of the right to honor ones own culture in front of the whole goddamn nation. Americans.....geez

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
13. I grew up in SD
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

and one day along time ago my mother and I, we drove out to the Pine Ridge Reservation.
My mother who was 3/4 Cherokee said to me-----------this is what has happened and ever since then she instilled in me to honor and cherish my heritage-----------it cannot be taken away.
This is truly sad that this human being cannot show there heritage and pride in there graduation, if it was me I would do it anyway--------I earned the diploma any diploma, and can move forward

http://www.nrcprograms.org/site/PageServer?pagename=naa_livingconditions

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
44. Yep Pine Ridge has not improved since you were there sadly.
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:03 PM
May 2015

Now I see the "government " wants some more of their land for uranium.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
78. It has gotten
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:51 AM
May 2015

worse, Thune and the other right wingers are doing whatever they can to pander----------- nothing else or nothing more, just pander, they side with the ranchers and the miners.

I go to the site to buy dried meat directly no middle man

http://www.tankabar.com/cgi-bin/nanf/public/main.cvw


thanks

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
36. the dominant culture makes the rules but word got out
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

I see many people including tribal elders getting in contact with the school officials. If not I would simply smuggle in the feathers and whatever else I want to wear then put on. Sure word has got out about this issue and people would be up in arms if the kids were then removed.

Sad the schools culture thinks Eagle feathers as bling. Hoping before tonight word of this getting out will make the school take another look at this issue and allow them to dress for their own culture, not for just the white students culture.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
15. Bigotry is truly a low state of mind/being. If bigots realized in a flash if a moment how utterly
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:57 AM
May 2015

low their behavior is, they may feel shame which would impel them to raise their consciousness.

Let the human, we are all humans, wear her representation of her achievement.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
31. Just this past Friday night I attended the
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:18 AM
May 2015

2015 graduation at ASU, Mary Lou Fulton Teachers graduation - TEACHERS folk's - and many many of the caps were adorned with messages in all sorts of mediums...

Newly elected President Begaye of the Navaho Nation was in attendance - recognition of the American Indian students graduating - ALL the American Indians who graduated wore their beautiful hand woven scarfs to indicate their accomplishment as well as their individual tribal name...just as the military veterans wore theirs to honor their service and accomplishment(my son)....

This decision is beyond "thou doth protest to much" - this is down right racist..there I said it.

The whole board should be dismissed for their poor decision making...instead of providing leadership in diversity they turn the other way...these students deserved to be recognized...and not have their identity stolen by anyone..

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
32. The problem is where would this stop?
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:55 AM
May 2015

If you allow one student to celebrate their heritage by being permitted to do something with their cap or gown, then other students must be allowed to its also. i.e if a Student wanted to put on a KKK Symbol, or American Nazi symbol, or a "The only good Indian is a Dead Indian" on their cap and gown it has to be permitted if you permit this student to put a feather in his cap.

The problem is NOT this student's request, but where do you STOP such requests once such requests are given. The classic case was the Salvation Army in Airports, the Salvation Army were permitted for years to ask for donations in Airports and other public places; then other groups, many that people objected to, demanded equal treatment and the courts order those Air Ports (being Government property) to permit such groups to request donations since the Air Ports had left the Salvation Army to do so. The Courts did leave open the right to close down the Airports to ALL such groups (including the Salvation Army) which most Airports quickly adopted in the early 1980s when this came to a head.

The School is a GOVERNMENT UNIT and as such must treat all people "Equally" i.e. Native Americans to be treated the same as a Klansman. Thus if you permit one to do something, the other must be given the same right.

Thus most schools do permit you to wear almost anything under the gown and under the hat (as long as it can NOT be seen), but NOT on top or over the Cap or Gown (Were it can be seen). The Graduation Ceremony is a ceremony of the school and the school can do reasonable restrictions provided the restrictions do not violate the rights of the students (i.e. require women to wear dresses while guys wear pants would treat both sexes differently and thus will not be permitted if challenged, but requiring all students to wear either dresses or dress pants treats both sexes the same).

The same with this Feather, if the school permitted the student to wear the feather, it must also permit anyone else who wants to decorate their cap. It is all or none and the school has opt for none.

Please note the School said the Student could wear the feather in her hair but not on her cap.

South High staff did say she could wear the plume in her hair, but that’s not the proper placement, Tamayo said.
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
57. So we have Military Veterans in High School???
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:57 PM
May 2015

Thus I have NEVER seen a High School Grad with a Military Scarf on during the Graduation Ceremony. People tend to enlist AFTER High School for most people graduate before they turn 18, which is the youngest age you can enlist into the US Military. Thus it is rare to have someone in the service AND graduating from High School (not unheard of but rare).

We are discussing what people can wear over their Caps and Gowns when they are participates in a Public School Graduation ceremony. As a public school the school must treat everyone the same, i.e. if they are military veterans in the school, they must treat them the same as a non-military veteran. Thus if a veteran, who is a graduating high school senior (hopefully such cases no longer occurs in the US), wants to wear a scarf he or she can do so, but it also means other people with other causes must also be permitted to wear scarf advocating their position OR deny both the veteran and the other person the right to wear any scarfs.

No one is talking about parents or anyone else in the audience. The rules that covers people in a public place are stricter then the rules when someone is participating in a public event. Bans on wearing things in public places must be reasonable, it must NOT be discriminatory in intent or operation (i.e. Schools can NOT ban scarfs or feathers unless they have a good reason for it, I can NOT think of any, and the ban has limited affect on people who sees the item banned as a symbol).

I would discuss this further but it is clear the members of the Audience were NOT banned from wearing a feather in their hats, so the argument is moot for in this case, the ban on the grads is valid, but if the ban would be extended to the audience it would be invalid. The same with Scarfs, if they were banned to be worn by the Grads during the Graduation Ceremony, that would be valid, but a ban on audience members wearing the such scarfs would be invalid.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
72. If they were ROTC they would be able to wear that
Tue May 19, 2015, 07:45 PM
May 2015

distinction....but that was not my point//the point was - if it is okay for college should be okay for HS...and you are right - a moot point...the decision was reversed...again - on the wrong side of progress cupcake...there is nothing wrong with someone expressing their identity....

gypsy3

(1 post)
34. One more way
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015

This is just one more way for the authoritarians to belittle the First Americans! Suppress, Suppress, Suppress! So Sad! Some people have expressed their thoughts with contradiction, judgement and ignorance. For these particular individuals, you truly do not understand the american indian way of life, and the struggles of our ancestors. Walk a mile in my moccasins before you judge me! She is following her Tradition, which to me, is to be honored. It is not a religious matter, it is Tradition! Stop judging what you don't know! Be Yourself, and Stand Proud!

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
37. Welcome to DU - and thank you for your post
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:33 AM
May 2015

"Walk a mile in my moccasins before you judge me!" I have this quote on a picture "Grant that I may not criticize my neighbor until I have walked a mile in his moccasins." - (my post is above)



 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
50. "Native Americans"?
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

How did American aborigines get the trademark on this title? Why am I not a native American? I was born in Los Angeles. I'm not from an indigenous American tribe, but I sure as heck am a native Californian, and hence a native American. Does anyone know the answer to this? I'm not asking to get flamed, just DU-splained.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
51. Maybe you should audit a 1st or 2d grade class at your
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:35 PM
May 2015

local elementary school. I'm pretty sure that is where they will explain it to you instead of trolling DU asking deliberately insulting questions.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
55. Native American is a tag white Americans give to the indigenous people
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:54 PM
May 2015

in the Americas. The people themselves prefer to be called First Nation, Our People or other descriptions that show they were here first.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
63. How do those terms get adapted for use by individual persons? A white person can't
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
May 2015

refer to Native Americans as "Our People."

Native American was intended to mean the same thing -- the people who were native to the continent, before Europeans arrived.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
64. I use First Nations or indigenous people myself.
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

It seems the poster has a valid point. If you were born in the US, no matter your ethnicity, you are a native American so it seems the term isn't a good one to apply solely to our indigenous people. Calling them Indians is incorrect because India is in Asia. So it seems we should call them what they call themselves.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
65. But how do you refer to an individual person who was born into a culture that
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

was indigenous to this continent?

That's quite a mouthful.

And the word "indigenous," according to the dictionary, can be a synonym of "native." So I don't see how calling someone an Indigenous person is any different from calling him a Native person or Native American.

From dictionary.com

adjective
1.
originating in and characteristic of a particular region or country; native (often followed by to):
the plants indigenous to Canada; the indigenous peoples of southern Africa.
2.
innate; inherent; natural (usually followed by to):
feelings indigenous to human beings.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
81. Interestingly, a lot of my First Nations acquaintances call themselves "Indians."
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:45 AM
May 2015

One of them, an academic who teaches Archaeology*, has a friend on the faculty who is East Indian. They get a kick out of that (and milk it for all it's worth at social occasions in a painfully geeky manner).

* No, not pre-Columbian stuff...he's a dinosaur guy. =P

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
58. The names of people and things change over time, but their intention is to define people or things
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

Prior to the 1950s the preferred words for African Americas was "Colored", thus the National Association of Colored People (NAACP) uses the term Colored in their name (Martin Luther King used the term "Colored" in several of his speeches in the 1950s and 1960s).

Starting in the 1950s and becoming the dominate by the early 1970s, "Black" replaced "Colored". Most of this movement was self identification for the term "Colored" originally meant someone who had genes from not only other African Americans but from the White population. In the 1800s it was common to place "Colored" above "Blacks" for it was assumed the white blood made the "Colored" a smarter person then someone without those genes.

By the 1960s this division within the African American Community was seen as self defeating. How can you fight for equal rights when lighter skin African Americans saw themselves as "better" then darker skin African Americans? The answer is you could not, so the term "Black" became the preferred word replacing "Colored" almost completely.

Starting in the 1990s several African Americans Commentators noted the use of Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans etc among ethnic whites and said that the term "African-American" was a more accurate term then "Black" for "African Americans". Do Irish-Americans or Polish-Americans etc what to go back "home"? The Answer is NO for their home is the USA. The same with African Americans, they are proud of their African Roots but their home is in the USA, thus the term "African American" has slowly replaced "Black" (Through NOT as quickly as "Black" had replaced "Colored&quot .

The same with Native Americans, they are Americans not people from India (or the East Indies, or where ever Columbus thought he was when he named them). Indian is a poor name, it has with it confusion with India/East Indies AND bad connotations from all of the old stories of the Westward movement of White Americans. Thus a better word was needed and using each tribe own name was not a real option for they knew they needed a name to show who they were but that they were also Americans.

It took them a while and the various variation of the term "Native Americans" (First Americans, etc) before an universal accepted name could be "adopted" (Adopted not in some formal adoption but its wide spread use instead of "Indian&quot . Like African Americans (And its variation, Afro-Americans etc) it is still in the process of being adopted.

As to whites claiming to be "Native Americans" we do not have to make such a claim, we are still the Dominate group in the USA and even if present trends continue (and they will not) we will still be the single largest minority in the USA even as the percentage of whites drop below 50% of the population by 2050. All we have to say we are "Americans" and people know who we are, i.e. WHITE AMERICANS. We do NOT need to be known as "Native Americans", it is a term we do not need.

On the other hand "Native Americans" is easy to see applies to people who are NOT "Americans" (defined as "White Americas&quot . They still see themselves as part of the USA but they are the descendants of the people who were already here in 1492 as oppose to us White Americans who rarely can trace ourselves back to 1607 (and are NOT brought in to do heavy labor as was the case with African Americans).

First Nations is a good option, but Nation of what? I like Native Americans for it shows that they are AMERICANS (As good as any White American) but also are NOT white Americans. I maintain the same with the Polish-Americans, Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Mexican-Americans etc. they are all Americans and the use of the word America in the Ethnic Name shows they are one with this Nation we call the USA.

That they are NOT White Americans is shown by the Ethnicity. That background has some affect on how they see themselves as Americans and we have to accept that for many of these "Ethnic" Americans were NOT treated that well by "White Americans". That we are working together to solve the problems caused by that pass mistreatment is a sign this country is addressing its ethnic problems.

On the other hand doing an attack on a term because you want to say you are under that term, even if by nature of the term you would NEVER have used it yourself is something else (i.e. you are still holding the position, maybe only on the subconscious level, that the only real Americans are White Americans). As a fellow White American I take affront to that assumption, Native American is a good term, it better defines that group then "Indians" or "American Indians".

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
59. So many words, so little clarity.
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:47 PM
May 2015

A native of a country is someone who was born there. Your claim that "All we have to say (is) we are "Americans" and people know who we are, i.e. WHITE AMERICANS" is ridiculous, As you know perfectly well, lots of non-whites are Americans, and indeed, native Americans in the literal sense of "native," including African Americans, Asian Americans, Mexican Americans, etc

According to Cleita, Americans whose ancestors were here before the Europeans arrived do not call themselves "native Americans." I think people should get to be called what they want to be called. So if they don't use that term to refer to themselves, we should defer to their judgment.

Contrary to your unfounded accusation, I am not "attacking" anyone or anything. I just wanted an informative discussion on this question, to which you do not seem to me to have contributed anything. Thanks anyway.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
68. Why is that exactly?
Tue May 19, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015

Because I won't give whitey a pass on trying to belittle Native Americans with his silly ass questions? As a Puerto Rican woman I find his questions to be quite ignorant & disgusting. Hence, obviously trolling or in desperate need of an elementary school lesson on why he isn't classified as a Native American.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
69. Your post is an excellent example of what I mean.
Tue May 19, 2015, 06:26 PM
May 2015

Have a nice day, and I hope you feel better soon. Happy people are nice people.

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