Biker Gang Shootings Turn Waco Restaurant Into Combat Zone

[TexasProgresive]

Last edited Sun May 17, 2015, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: KWTX TV

WACO: (May 17, 2015) Waco police Sunday afternoon, assisted by Hewitt officers and deputies from the McLennan County Sheriff's Office were surrounding the Twin Peaks Restaurant, in the Central Texas Market Place after several people were reported shot during a rival motorcycle gang fight.

The fight broke out just after noon when two rival gangs got into a fight that erupted into gun fire.

Police at the scene have confirmed multiple fatalities at the restaurant, Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

At about 2 p.m. a second crime scene was being investigated at the Waco Convention Center but only very few details were known about the situation there.

Read more: http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html

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This just broke on our local news. Details to follow. The police were present when the fight started over parking???

Edit to update 8 killed on site 1 died in hospital 18 injured and in hospital with gun shot wounds a couple with stab wounds as well.

[Hoyt]

1. Righteous gun toters in action.

[hack89]

6. No. Violent felons illegally toting.

but you knew that.

[Hoyt]

14. I doubt all were illegal, and they probably got them from so-called

law-abiding gun owners.

[hack89]

16. Because motorcycle gangs are so misunderstood

and their history of violence and criminal activity is sooo exaggerated. It is perfectly reasonable to conflate them with the average legal gun owner

[Hoyt]

17. Not much difference in my opinion. Strap a gun on to walk down a city street, and you become

just another Zimmerman, IMO.

[hack89]

21. The average gun owner does not open carry

but you knew that.

[Hoyt]

22. Neither did Zman, supposedly.

[hack89]

24. So every gun owner is a Zimmerman in your mind? Nt

[Hoyt]

27. You have to be quite callous to carry and train to shoot people. So, yes, not

much difference.

[hack89]

29. Wayne thanks you for your efforts. Nt

[Hoyt]

34. No, the NRA thanks the gungeoneers for their support.

[hack89]

41. You are just working the issue from a different angle

the results are still the same.

[7962]

33. He's become the go-to default, hasnt he? nt

[Major Nikon]

44. Because nobody remembers the names of all the other shitbags

...who let their rage override good sense right before pulling out precious and unloading on someone. After they do some ammosexual reminds all of us that it was just the actions of a criminal, even though in the moment before they became a gun nut criminal they were a law abiding concealed carrying citizen keeping the rest of us safe from the gun nuts. Kinda funny how that works.

[7962]

76. Show us the gun crime stats for licensed gun owners compared to others.

I'll save you the trouble, its extremely low. So it will be tough to find "all the other shitbags", as though there is some huge number of licensed criminals. I'll also bet that none of the idiots involved in THIS shooting were licensed owners either. Most were likely to be ex-cons as well.
Certainly if we'd never allowed handguns into the US crime would be much lower, as it is in other countries. But they're here and they're not going away.

[The Stranger]

133. No, don't "save us the trouble," back up your statement.

Show us the statistics you brought into this debate.

I'm curious.

[7962]

136. Sure. There are several,

but I'm not going to link to any stories that are from what appear to be pro-gun or NRA sites, because its easy for some to dismiss them simply because of who they are. It doesnt make their statements wrong, but this is DU and you know how some folks can get hung up on a source more than the story.
But here is an analysis of licensed owners in Texas, comparing the arrest rate to non-licensed citizens. Its shows that licensed citizens are:
5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public
Its a lengthy report, but its got a lot of research in it. Its not a new report, but I cant find anything that shows the numbers have changed since this report was released. If they had, i would think gun control advocates would trumpet the findings. Havent seen any of that either, so I doubt its happened.
http://www.txchia.org/sturdevant2000.htm

[sarisataka]

69. Hoyt is a Michael Foster in his mind

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2015/01/black-man-gun-permit-walmart-florida-vigilante

[heaven05]

71. every gun owner

is a potential zimmerman, no doubt. Zimpig just showed everyone how to kill/murder and get away with it as a civilian. The police will in most cases walk, no doubts.

[hack89]

80. So everyone is a pre-criminal?

or just gun owners?

[heaven05]

83. you'll figure it out

I guess.

[hack89]

84. Those evil gunz - magic talismans that turn normal people into killers

got it.

[heaven05]

86. guns aren't the problem

guns in the wrong hands, of which there are many, is the problem. A gun in the hands of the bikers with attitudes, problem. Guns in the hands of zimmerman, problem. How many zimpigs or bikers are ready to do just what they did given the right or perceived provocation. Whether it's biker gang bad blood or a "watchman" killing an unarmed kid, walking in his own neighborhood, because he wasn't obeyed and had guns and a gun respectively, problem. There lies the evil.

[MyNameGoesHere]

117. No. A potential Zimmerman, yes. eom

[hack89]

119. And every man a potential rapist.

Why stop at guns? Why not treat every person as a pre-criminal? Think how safe we would be.

[MyNameGoesHere]

155. You're are correct.

Gun humpers and violent humpers are about the same thing. You made me think about that and now i see you are correct.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

158. Just like blacks are treated as pre-criminals. When that ceases, then we'll talk.

[Major Nikon]

26. Only the crème de la dum

One-half notch up on the evolution scale are the concealed carriers.

[hack89]

28. Never have been a fan of open carry

upsets too many people. As for concealed carry, the permit holders are not an issue - it is those illegally carrying in public that concern me.

[Major Nikon]

35. Sure, Zimmerman was no issue whatsoever

He's even considered a hero in certain mouthbreathing circles.

[hack89]

42. Well we could look at actual data involving millions of permit holders

but there is no real point is there? Because ... because .... Zimmerman! No need for rational discussion when you have Zimmerman.

[Hoyt]

45. Permit holders and legal toters commit more gun crimes than people who would never

carry a gun or train to shoot people.

[hack89]

46. Thank you Captain Obvious. Nt

[Hoyt]

49. Hey, you gun fanciers like to talk about how pure you are. So folks

have to point out the truth.

How is it you guys say it, "people with gun toting permits commit fewer crimes than people without permits." Maybe so, but they don't commit fewer crimes than those who could get a permit, but would never dream of carrying a gun into Chuck E Cheese, or elsewhere.

[hack89]

51. Ok. Nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

159. Thank you!

[ileus]

65. Not only that Mars has never had any gun violence.

See gun control works! If only the earf would follow Mars example.

[Hoyt]

73. Mars was probably populated until too many yahoos started carrying gunz and promoting them to others

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

129. You may be right

I consider law enforcement among "legal toters" and including them may tip the scales.

[Major Nikon]

48. Sure, we could certainly engage in all sorts of pointless endeavors

...which in no way changes the reality that carrying a gun around makes everyone less safe instead of more safe.

[hack89]

50. Which is why every state that has liberalized concealed carry has seen increased gun deaths

... oh wait.

[Major Nikon]

103. Oh wait...

Concealed Carry Killers is a resource maintained by the Violence Policy Center that includes hundreds of examples of non-self defense killings by private citizens with permits to carry concealed, loaded handguns in public. These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths. Only a tiny fraction of these cases are ever ruled to be in self-defense. Any homicide that is legally determined to be in self-defense is documented and removed from the Concealed Carry Killers database and the ongoing tallies.

Currently, Concealed Carry Killers documents 561 incidents in 36 states and the District of Columbia resulting in 743 deaths. In 83 percent of the incidents (468) the concealed carry killer committed suicide (222), has already been convicted (184), perpetrated a murder-suicide (46), or was killed in the incident (16). Of the 73 cases still pending, the vast majority (63) of concealed carry killers have been charged with criminal homicide, four were deemed incompetent to stand trial, and six incidents are still under investigation. An additional 20 incidents were fatal unintentional shootings involving the gun of the concealed handgun permit holder. Seventeen of the victims were law enforcement officers. Twenty-nine of the incidents were mass shootings, resulting in the deaths of 139 victims.

http://concealedcarrykillers.org/

[hack89]

104. "83 percent committed suicides"

so it is your position that they would be alive if they did not have a concealed carry permit?

[Major Nikon]

106. You should have read it more closely. 222 deaths out of 743 /= 83%

One person with a gun is capable of killing more than one other person.

And yes many of those people would most certainly still be alive if they didn't have easy access to a gun. Suicide is often a spur of the moment decision, but you certainly gotta love how those who are for the proliferation of guns try to minimize the impact of suicide. Very telling that.

[hack89]

105. Can you show a single state where concealed carry led to an increase in gun deaths?

because that is what your comment implied. Simple question. Do you have an answer?

[Major Nikon]

107. The link showed several

Was it really that difficult to click on it?

[hack89]

118. You misunderstand the question

can you show a state where the overal rates of all gun violence and gun deaths went up over time. Rates are usually expressed as incidents per one thousand. Show me a state where the rate of gun deaths went up due to CC.

[Major Nikon]

145. I understood the question perfectly

...and I gave you the most relevant and direct answer. You just forgot to ask for crème de la dipshit Wayne LaPierre's favorite way to frame the issue in terms of rates (subject to all sorts of variables) rather than the number of actual incidents which are directly attributable to those fond of toting precious around. So now you obviously want to reframe the question so you can parrot out LaPierre's debunked dipshittery, which was never anything more than a completely moronic way to try and evaluate cause and effect to begin with. Do you really think you were the first person to come up with this nonsense?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/16/national-rifle-association/wayne-lapierre-said-violent-crime-jurisdictions-re/

[hack89]

146. So rates are not important? That means gun deaths declined so you want to avoid the question

No surprise there.

[hack89]

147. Explain to me how all those suicides were due to concealed carry?

can you explain that in your own words?

[Lizzie Poppet]

149. *sound of crickets chirping*

[Judi Lynn]

96. They are people who can't get much respect or attention in everyday life,

so they have decided that at least, if they swagger around with their stupid guns, they might be able to get people to fear them, anyway. Better than nothing. It's probably true no one would notice them if it weren't for the fact they present a threat to everyone around them in public.

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[Hoyt]

99. I think that is pretty much it.

[7962]

31. +1

[heaven05]

66. but, but

I've read nothing, in any report so far, that says they were carrying illegally or that they were felons. Where did you get that information? Just asking.

[former9thward]

74. I guess you think that bikers who kill people have had no previous brush with the law.

Police say in addition to guns, that knives, chains and clubs were used. Just your average people with no criminal record I'm sure.

[heaven05]

78. No, I don't know

if they were/are felons and have had brushes with the law. All this instantly saying they were carrying illegally, which may turn out to be true. Then they were illegally using handguns. The same goes for when we find out some/all were/are felons. Just like I don't like broad brushing any group/race/culture. I won't be jumping to conclusions till I hear the whole story. I don't like open carry or the fact that 300,000,000 guns are in the hands of americans. In my book, not good. But it's their right. So fuck it.

[sarisataka]

79. "I don't like broad brushing any group/race/culture"

every gun owner

is a potential zimmerman,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1096045

[heaven05]

81. nothing broad brushing about

the truth. No irony, no conflict. Every gun owner is a potential zimmerman....period. I stand by it. Don't care what you see in my statement. If someone on here that I know tells me I'm wrong, I will apologize for my faux pas.

[sarisataka]

85. You are quite willing to give bikers

the benefit of the doubt. That until proven otherwise each and every one is a paragon of virtue until proven otherwise.
{I do know several bikers, some good some not so. They would all admit there are a disproportionate number of bad apples among those who wear colors}

OTH every gun owner is a murder waiting to happen.

If you can't see the double standard I can't make it more clear.

[heaven05]

87. I know some bikers

they have guns, and they haven't killed anyone. Biker "gangs" are the problem with their skewed 'honor' code. Anyone who wants concealed carry or open carry. Go for it. Just not something I agree with. Too many 'wrong' people are legally carrying and just waiting for some perceived threat or provocation from unarmed people. Ready to kill and I know that just from conversations I've had with people who have 10-20-30 weapons at their disposal. Paranoia drives this gun madness and nothing else. Guns are a tragic fact of life and usually are not shooting bullets by themselves so they are not the problem. Wrong people with guns are the problem in this society. And that is citizen and police alike. I don't know the answer to american gun madness, I just know with less guns we would be safer.

[sarisataka]

91. I know some gun carriers

and they haven't killed anyone {in the civilian world}
I will assume you earned that ribbon. These are mine

Others I know have them and we have absolutely no desire to ever use a gun on a person again. Yet we choose access to lethal force if it should ever be needed.
Twice I have been in civilian situations where the option would have been justified. In both cases the gun stayed holstered and the situation resolved to my satisfaction.

There are wannabes that think a firefight is "cool". They have no business carrying sticks, let alone firearms. I would like to see stiffer training requirements to weed them out along with tighter background checks and domestic violence laws to keep as many guns out of "bad hands" as possible.

[heaven05]

97. 13 months of earning

so you assume correctly, you have my respect. Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism....couldn't place the other one. I think we're on the same page in many respects. Semper Fi.

[sarisataka]

101. South West Asia service

-daddy Bush's war or as we called it on the second trip, the "Prequel"

I served with a few 'Nam vets in the first Gulf. They taught a fresh LCpl things to stay alive that were passed on to youngsters.
Two wars, all but one came home on their feet. That one still haunts me.

Peace brother

[7962]

137. Agreed. Training should be required.

[paleotn]

75. Responsible gun owners.....

until they're not.

[hack89]

82. Right.

all gun owners are pre-criminals. Got it.

[LanternWaste]

131. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

Distinction without a difference are certainly popular for the bumper-sticker philosophy crowd...

[TexasProgresive]

2. Update from KCEN TV news 9 dead 8 injured

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29086186/fatal-shooting-at-central-texas-marketplace
BREAKING: Nine Dead in Shooting at Twin Peaks
Posted: May 17, 2015 2:47 PM CDT Updated: May 17, 2015 3:47 PM CDT


WACO -- Nine dead and multiple injuries following a shooting at Twin Peaks early Sunday afternoon.

Shortly after 12:00 p.m. Waco Police were at Twin Peaks monitoring at least two motorcycle clubs gathering there. The conflict began with an argument inside the restaurant which escalated and moved into the parking lot. Multiple weapons were involved in the conflict, including chains, knives, bats, clubs, and firearms.

No police officers are reported to be injured. It is unknown if any patrons were injured.

Twin Peaks and Don Carlos are on lock-down. The area is active but secure, however police request that civilians avoid the area. More details to follow.

This is a link to the ABC station:
http://www.kxxv.com/story/29085892/police-respond-to-shooting-between-biker-gangs-at-restaurant

[Warpy]

30. At least they took it out to the parking lot

or the carnage might have been a lot worse.

[freshwest]

36. A rumble looking for a place to happen.

[Historic NY]

53. Well they had the place, apparently Twin Peaks refuse to cooperate with the police...

they even forewarned them. They'd rather have the bikers.

[freshwest]

58. They should be sued by somebody if they regularly permit violence on the premises.

A McDonald's in College Station (or Bryan) was sued for allowing their venue to become a criminal hot spot.

[TexasTowelie]

109. See post #108

Looks like the Bandidos, Cossacks and Scimitars are at least three of the five groups.

[undeterred]

3. Good thing everyone was armed to the teeth.

[Skittles]

11. gun humpers are so fucking ignorant

their reasoning skills suck because of their paranoia

[TheCowsCameHome]

47. There were probably more guns than teeth.

[miyazaki]

112. rofl. n/t

[happyslug]

153. Have you priced teeth and guns recently? Guns are cheaper

Root Canal, $950, Crown on tooth another $950

AK47 $539:

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/

Bass Sports shops start pistols at $299. Thus for the price of a Crown and a Root canal you can have six pistols.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. Feral humans.

Ya gotta wonder if any of them are toilet-trained.

[cosmicone]

5. When two groups of "responsible" gun owners have a "friendly" debate

over the second amendment

[hack89]

7. No. Two criminal gangs with illegal weapons

do you even think before posting on gun threads? Is Wayne paying you to do this?

[Schema Thing]

18. what the fuck do you know about it at this point?

[hack89]

20. Biker gangs armed to the teeth?

what does that tell you? Misunderstood social organizations?

[Warpy]

32. This is Texas. Those guns might have been perfectly legal.

The knives, bats and chains were not.

[hack89]

43. What are the odds that most of those "gentlemen" have criminal records? Nt

[okasha]

116. 100%

These "clubs" are full-out criminal organizations dealing in drugs and prostitution, among other things.

They bear absolutely no resemblance to the vast majority of bikers.

[greiner3]

8. Is this an episode of the NEW Twin Peaks?

[7962]

37. "Twin Peaks" is newer version of Hooters.

Started by the former head of Hooters.
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=%22twin+peaks%22+restaraunt&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

[Fred Sanders]

9. MC terrorists gather in full force and fully armed in a restaurant in mid-afternoon to kill parle...

and terrorize the innocent patrons, killing 9 in total.

How many more such incidents until the folks agree domestic terrorism and gun freedom is the real danger to fear, not terrorists half a world away?

[Skittles]

10. gun humping cowards

dime a dozen in Texas

[Augiedog]

12. Not bikers....

Just criminals on motorcycles.

[project_bluebook]

62. Drugs or sex trafficking was probably involved

Criminals using a bikers club as a front, just like many have done in the past.

[sarisataka]

95. One of the involved gangs is the Banditos

The Bandidos Motorcycle Club, also known as the Bandido Nation, is a "one-percenter" motorcycle club and organized crime syndicate with a worldwide membership. The club was formed in 1966 by Don Chambers in Texas. Its motto is "We are the people our parents warned us about". It is estimated to have 2,400 members in 210 chapters, located in 22 countries. The club considers itself to be an outlaw motorcycle club. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Criminal Intelligence Service Canada have named the Bandidos an "outlaw motorcycle gang".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandidos_Motorcycle_Club

[TexasTowelie]

108. Two more groups that were involved was the Cossacks and the Scimitars

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/update-police-believe-five-motorcyle-gangs-involved-in-deadly-twin/article_37addf70-e4e5-505a-98b4-ecbef08a2a87.html

http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/cossacks-motorcycle-club-biker-gang-waco-texas-shootout-shooting-members-photos-patch-video-scimitars-history-arrests-crimes-rival-bandidos/

[Monk06]

115. Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars. Hell Jesse James just lost a lot of customers.

[WatchWhatISay]

13. Rand Paul just lost at least

9 votes

[WestSideStory]

15. Fucking thugs. Blame Obama and DeBlasio

Wait ...

[freshwest]

19. LOL, that train's never late!

[Kali]

111. !!!

I hadn't seen that graphic before!

[freshwest]

124. Because you know it's coming! (Snagged from treestar) n/t

[Chemisse]

148. How is this Obama's fault?

Just wondering.

[WestSideStory]

152. Sarcasm

A bit of New York Post-centric humor.

[AngryAmish]

23. Twin Peaks is one of tgose breasturant chains.

So I'm told.

[tonekat]

88. When I saw "Twin Peaks"

...somehow I did not think bikers of the gang variety would gather to discuss the inner darkness and second lives of the residents of the David Lynch series.

I miss that series.

[secondvariety]

25. Nine less

domestic terrorists to worry about.

[TheCowsCameHome]

38. Were any of the bikes or guns damaged?

Let's hope not.

[freshwest]

39. Not just guns. Where are the OC guys when you need 'em? PD lucky they weren't shot.

At least the wounded won't be terrorizing anyone else for a while. The dead won't either.

Dealing out pain and injury is obviously their stock in trade and this was to be expected, sooner or later.

Bet we'll never know the entire story, though. Chalking it up to another crime statistic.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. I'm reminded of when McCain went to Sturgis....

[El Supremo]

52. Whee!!!

[Adsos Letter]

59. Thread Win. n/t

[sarisataka]

67. I thought an outlaw biker

would be taller...

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Well this made the NYT as a "breaking"

although I saw it here on DU almost 2 hours ago! They picked up the AP report.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/05/17/us/ap-us-waco-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[AngryAmish]

68. In the NYT defense, 9 dead was not known at the time of DU posting.

Bandidos arw making today look like the baptism of Michael Corleone's sin.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. When I went to the site

after getting a breaking banner, the article originally had a "4:50 pm" time-stamp on it before it suddenly switched to a later "6:40 pm" time (and now they have no time-stamp on it). So they could have put an alert out on it but didn't. They usually just bust out with their "Breaking" banner even without an article but this time, they waited.

[Downwinder]

55. Everybody shooting in self defense?

[Adsos Letter]

57. Law enforcement shot some of them, after the initial shooting in the restaurant started...

...according to the NY Times article.

[Downwinder]

60. That would be self defense.

Give a bunch of people guns, say boo and somebody will shoot. Then it becomes a free for all.

[Adsos Letter]

56. From the NY Times report

When the shooting began in the restaurant and then continued outside, armed bikers were shot by officers, Swanton said, explaining that the actions of law enforcement prevented further deaths.

Sounds like the OK Corral.

[alcibiades_mystery]

61. Gun nut shitheads running apoplectic interference for their owners in the gun industry

As per usual.

[hack89]

64. I take it your dictionary is missing the A section? Nt

[ileus]

63. SOA withdraws???

[heaven05]

70. talk about thugs!!!!!!!

geez and many probably will go down for the count defending them and their right to shoot each other, depending on the provocation(s), of course. I see nothing that says they were carrying illegally or that they were/are convicted felons. These assholes are just thugs....real thugs.

[FLPanhandle]

120. I didn't think we were allowed to call people Thugs anymore

I forget the rules sometimes.

They are Thugs though.

[heaven05]

122. oh, I missed that

as a word, it is used, in regard to someone not of the privileged class, quite frequently, here. But okay, I'll try not to use it to describe........anyone.....anymore.......

[AuntPatsy]

72. Waiting for more info, sounds like most killed were killed by police fire..

I personally have not seen many bikers acting out that early....

[dembotoz]

89. a chain restaurant... like olive garden???

Sad in a funny pathetic kind of way
Street cred at a chain restaurant

[Lobo27]

90. My friend in the area said that the city is getting increased cop

The radio has been telling them that bikers from other parts of the city are pouring into Waco. Cops are taking witnesses and others into protective custody.

[Tom Ripley]

92. Gunhumpers Forever Forever Gunhumpers

[hollowdweller]

93. Texas. Not surprising really.

People voted for stuff like this down there.

[TexasProgresive]

94. Would you explain exactly what it is we voted for, down heah?

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[Paladin]

121. Care to back that statement up?

[heaven05]

125. gohmert, poe,

and 24 others who are republicans, 10 who are not. Cruz, nuff said, Cornyn....... all the backup needed.

[Paladin]

128. So you live in Minnesota, land of benign Republicans and no violent biker gangs?

Somehow your chastising of Texas doesn't register with me.

[heaven05]

132. most times with Texans

it doesn't register, hence cruz, gohmert et al. No problem. As to your first line, I never said we live in a rose garden. But, hey this is about Texas, right now, no where else. Yesterday, was there an epic gunfight at the 'ok corral'? No where yesterday, in this nation, did a firefight like that happen........just imagine the number of live rounds flying around, with a firefight such as this, that left 9 dead and 18 wounded. You can defend the alamo state as much as you please, that doesn't register with me. Have a good one...

[Paladin]

134. Grouping all Texans into one big sludge pit, are you?

Make it a big pit---over 3 million of us voted for Obama, both in 2008 and 2012. But be serene in your prejudices---there are a lot more Texas bashers than there are Texas defenders, here at DU. If it makes you feel better, as a Texan I'll apologize for my part in the Waco cycle gang shootings, even though I was 200 miles away, at the time. Hope that makes you feel better.....

[heaven05]

135. nope

just the majority, at this time. Not looking for an apology. Rw'ers rule your state. That's all I'm saying. I Am GLAD there are Texans with common sense and intelligence such as yourself. Those Waco nuts, if they voted, bet they voted rethuglican. Those types vote against their own best interests time and again. NO, I a not trying to lump all Texans into a bag, but you Texans have a wild state and some very crazy voters as does the rest of the states of this nation. I just hope we get the right candidate, who ever it will be and that we get out and vote in our best interests. And win.

[B2G]

138. "No where yesterday, in this nation, did a firefight like that happen"

Why don't you look up the number of people shot this past weekend in Chicago. Here, I'll save you the trouble.

"49 people shot since Friday afternoon across Chicago"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-20150517-story.html

[heaven05]

139. you've never been to a firefight

I can tell. And that is my point...take your distraction response somewhere else. geez Too large to ignore and I'm sure there were plenty of shootings elsewhere in this great nation of ours, perpetrated by all manner and races of people. You've made no point.....

[B2G]

140. Distractive?

How is gun violence in Chicago a distraction to the topic at hand?

I guess you don't think it's a problem.

[heaven05]

141. I edited my response

guns in the wrong hands are/is the problem. NOT who's pulling the trigger on one. I get YOUR drift with chicago, it's predictable.

[B2G]

142. Um, what?

"guns in the wrong hands are/is the problem. NOT who's pulling the trigger on one."

That makes no sense.

And why are you making this about race? Are you saying the only violent criminals in Chicago are black? Because I can assure you that's not the case having lived there.

[heaven05]

143. uuummm, sure

right, anything you say...I spread the reason for the gun violence problem out, pretty obvious. You localized it. Have a good one........ thou protestith.........

[Major Hogwash]

157. The police officer at the scene that was speaking for the Waco department said that . . .

. . . they were still picking up spent shells on Monday, and he estimated it was close to 200 that they had already picked up.
He added that it was a miracle that no family members, who previous to the first shots being fired, had been quietly enjoying dinner in the restaurant, had been wounded by any of the shots since so many rounds had been fired in such a short time period.

[heaven05]

161. yep

amazing really.

[hollowdweller]

144. Sure, Musically :)

[onehandle]

98. Legal gun owners practicing their Second Amendment remedies.

What's the big deal?

[derby378]

130. Well, now that you've taken yourself out of the debate...

...please tell me how many bikers were magically brought back to life by all this snarkiness.

[onehandle]

100. Additionally, more people died in this event than in the Amtrak crash.

I expect the teabagger Congress to vote against guns tomorrow, like they voted against Amtrak.

Right?

[Gothmog]

102. This is crazy

[TexasTowelie]

110. Reinforcements for the gangs are coming into town.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/update-police-believe-five-motorcyle-gangs-involved-in-deadly-twin/article_37addf70-e4e5-505a-98b4-ecbef08a2a87.html

[heaven05]

126. okay

they're criminals of the worst type. And from the link, this was planned?:geez facepalm:

[AuntPatsy]

151. Something does not add up...... I have no doubt most if not all the bikers shot were by

The officers...

[miyazaki]

113. Ya these kind of things don't happen with the "Moped Army".

[Monk06]

114. Nine fewer castles to defend.

[CanonRay]

127. Sturgis should be interesting this summer

when all these nice folks get together again.

[TheCowsCameHome]

154. The Badlands will be badder than ever. n/t

[Vogon_Glory]

150. The suspects look so...WHITE. n/t

[question everything]

156. With Texans openly carry guns, this was expected. (nt)

[tammywammy]

160. Texas doesn't have open carry of hand guns. n/t