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Omaha Steve

(99,733 posts)
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:32 AM Apr 2012

Judge orders back pay, rehires for fired Jimmy John's organizers

Source: Twin Cities.com

By Julie Forster

A federal administrative law judge has ordered a Twin Cities Jimmy John's franchisee to reinstate six workers fired illegally more than a year ago after they spoke up publicly about their lack of sick pay. The franchise owners also were ordered to pay the employees back wages.

The employees are part of the Industrial Workers of the World, a union that is trying to organize Jimmy John's workers at 10 Twin Cities' stores owned by MikLin Enterprises.

The six workers were fired after they put up 3,000 copies of posters on community bulletin boards near the stores and in neighborhoods in February 2011 suggesting that customers might get sick due to workers making sandwiches while sick. Managers removed the posters when they saw them.

The judge, Arthur Amchan, concluded that the posting of the sick day posters was protected activity under the National Labor Relations Act and that the owners and some managers engaged in unfair labor practices by removing union postings and encouraging others to take them down.

Read more: http://www.twincities.com/ci_20462507/judge-orders-back-pay-rehires-fired-jimmy-johns



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Judge orders back pay, rehires for fired Jimmy John's organizers (Original Post) Omaha Steve Apr 2012 OP
Fantastic! MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #1
I know the owner. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #2
He's a pig. I refuse to spend any money with his company. davsand Apr 2012 #11
Because we all know that unions are no longer necessary SnowCritter Apr 2012 #3
+1! AllyCat Apr 2012 #7
A substantial victory! carlos3k Apr 2012 #4
I will never, ever, ever liberalhistorian Apr 2012 #5
To admit that illness needs to be addressed at the societal level belies their "philosophy". bigmonkey Apr 2012 #14
I hear you... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2012 #15
Oh, I know retail and food service liberalhistorian Apr 2012 #17
Newsflash: They give no shits about their workers NOR their customers Ash_F Apr 2012 #18
But they DO care about their business liberalhistorian Apr 2012 #20
A lot of employers assume all workers fake being sick to get off work. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #23
K&R n/t myrna minx Apr 2012 #6
K&R Eyerish Apr 2012 #8
Nice to see the Wobblies name again. . . annabanana Apr 2012 #9
K and R geardaddy Apr 2012 #10
I've worked in many restaurants over the years (before I finished school) HotRodTuna Apr 2012 #12
Payed leave was not main issue, they were forced make people food while sick. Ash_F Apr 2012 #19
You'd think the health department would have laws that prohibited sick workers from making food HotRodTuna Apr 2012 #21
There are, but the laws that protect workers and consumers are rarely Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #22
I'm Surprised By This Court Order DallasNE Apr 2012 #13
The order is because they were fired for PROTECTED activity Omaha Steve Apr 2012 #16
I hate PTO (paid time off).......... mrmpa Apr 2012 #24
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. Fantastic!
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:01 AM
Apr 2012

Bravo! Brave workers, brave judge.

When we're right, we're united, and we hang tough... we win.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
2. I know the owner.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:41 AM
Apr 2012

He threatened to leave Chicago over a tiny employee tax. The resounding silence shocked him.
Then again, he did poison 14 people here with bad product.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
11. He's a pig. I refuse to spend any money with his company.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:56 AM
Apr 2012

I do think the food tastes pretty good--when it isn't contaminated with salmonella infested alfalfa sprouts anyway. He's such a morally bankrupt repulsive individual that I can't bring myself to give him or his company a cent. He's vigorously fought against his employees' right to collective bargaining, he's posted photos on the internet of endangered animals he's hunted for sport, and he's a HUGE Republican. YUCK!!!

I can't stomach it.



Laura

SnowCritter

(810 posts)
3. Because we all know that unions are no longer necessary
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:48 AM
Apr 2012

Given the chance, every employer will do what's right for their employees and customers.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
5. I will never, ever, ever
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:56 AM
Apr 2012

understand employers who insist on employees coming in to work when they're sick, especially if they're in food service or other positions involving close customer contact. ESPECIALLY food service, you'd think the last thing they'd want is customers getting sick from their product.

I remember a past job many years ago when I was in the hospital with bacterial bronchitis and shortly after that I broke my wrist and had to have surgery on it. They actually wanted me to come into work even before I was released from the hospital, and were especially angry at the broken wrist. I had to sign an "absence warning" when I returned. If I hadn't needed the job so much, I would have told them right then and there where they could put their stupid fucking useless job and what they could do with it (and it was useless, really, it wasn't like the job was a critical social necessity or anything like that). NO job is worth your health or the health of others or is more important than your health or your family. NO. JOB. And this was a cube farm, so it was easy for employees to all catch each other's illnesses. Somehow, the PTB never seemed to grasp that very simple little fact.

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)
14. To admit that illness needs to be addressed at the societal level belies their "philosophy".
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:37 PM
Apr 2012

It's natural to address disease at a social group level. They can't admit that, because their beliefs are supposed to be "natural". The facts ruin their framing, so they must be suppressed.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
15. I hear you...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 03:19 PM
Apr 2012

Way back when, I worked in retail. We had no sick days and were penalized for taking any time off. Coming to work with your nose dripping all over the place while trying to talk to customers is really awful.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
17. Oh, I know retail and food service
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:22 AM
Apr 2012

are among the worst offenders when it comes to this issue, but I still just do not get that at all. From a purely practical business standpoint, if I'm an owner or manager, even if I don't give a pellet of rat shit about my employees, I'm not gonna want to infect or turn off my customers or make them ill. That's just not good business practice if you want to have a good reputation and stay in business. Because most people, if they see that an employee isn't well, aren't gonna want to patronize that business because the last thing they want is to get sick. I know that when I've encountered an employee at a retail or food business who was obviously sick (the most common being colds), I wanna get the hell away from that place and I sure as shit don't want them handling my food or money or merchandise I'm buying. There've been a couple times where I've actually talked to managers or owners and told them exactly what I thought of them forcing ill employees to work, both the inhumanity of it and the danger of it to customers and other employees and that I would not be patronizing them because of it.

So I just don't get it, from a business standpoint.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
20. But they DO care about their business
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:09 AM
Apr 2012

and their precious ever-loving almight profits, which are affected by their reputation, which, in turn, is driven by customers. No customers equals no profits and no reputation, which then means no business.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
23. A lot of employers assume all workers fake being sick to get off work.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:10 PM
Apr 2012

Even when they see that they are obviously sick. It's idiotic.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
9. Nice to see the Wobblies name again. . .
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:57 AM
Apr 2012

They are the only logical counterweight to the IMF and the World Bank.

 

HotRodTuna

(114 posts)
12. I've worked in many restaurants over the years (before I finished school)
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:57 AM
Apr 2012

and don't recall whether or not I had paid sick leave; I doubt it but it certainly would have been nice.

That being said, those workers shouldn't have been too surprised that they got fired, trashing your employer publicly will typically get you canned. I'm glad they got their jobs back, although I wonder what the work environment will be like now.

What's the standard on this? Do fast food workers typically get paid sick leave? I'm guessing no, which is why they're trying to unionize. I've never had a Jimmy Johns, although I've seen a couple around Houston. May have to try them out.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
19. Payed leave was not main issue, they were forced make people food while sick.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:03 AM
Apr 2012

They were not allowed to call off. Not anymore.

 

HotRodTuna

(114 posts)
21. You'd think the health department would have laws that prohibited sick workers from making food
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:20 AM
Apr 2012

Pretty freaking stupid of them.

I once went into a sandwich shop here in Houston where one woman was coughing and sneezing while making a sandwich and another was having a cigarette at a table right next to the counter while doing some paperwork. Very distatesful. Not surprisingly, they're out of business now.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
22. There are, but the laws that protect workers and consumers are rarely
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 01:01 PM
Apr 2012

enforced unless it gets media attention. You think that waitress would have got to keep her $12,000 tip if the local news had not picked up on it?

Refusing to enforce the law is rampant throughout America.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
13. I'm Surprised By This Court Order
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:01 PM
Apr 2012

I thought most companies ended sick pay a long time ago by converting "vacation" to "paid time off" and then "allowing" you to use this paid time off for sick days.

Omaha Steve

(99,733 posts)
16. The order is because they were fired for PROTECTED activity
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:50 PM
Apr 2012

The sick pay issue is not part of the case itself. Union activity was the case.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
24. I hate PTO (paid time off)..........
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:25 AM
Apr 2012

one place I worked, if you wanted paid for a holiday, you used PTO, even though the place was closed. I only worked there while I finished my degree and got the hell out.

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