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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:59 AM Mar 2015

Bibi Watch: I Never Intended 'To Show Any Disrespect To President Obama'

Source: TPM

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Speaking at an American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington, Netanyahu talked about the elephant in the room: his acceptance of an invitation from House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to address Congress just days before the Israeli elections and amid a heated debate over Iran sanctions. Boehner had made the invitation without consulting the White House or State Department.

"My speech is not intended to show any disrespect to President Obama or the esteemed office that he holds. I have great respect for both," Netanyahu said.

"My speech is also not intended to inject Israel into the American partisan debate," he added. "An important reason why our alliance has grown stronger, decade after decade, is that it has been championed by both parties and so it must remain."

Netanyahu said he regretted that some people "misperceived" his visit to Washington as partisan. The prime minister has come under fire from House and Senate Democrats -- including Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), who said Sunday that Netanyahu doesn't "speak for all Jews" -- for accepting Boehner's invitation.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/netanyahu-aipac-no-disrespect-obama

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Bibi Watch: I Never Intended 'To Show Any Disrespect To President Obama' (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2015 OP
Yeah, right. TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #1
He is such a liar. Marrah_G Mar 2015 #2
Lies to cover the lies. Fox style. GOP style. Lie, lie, lie, deny, deny, deny. Media sucks it up. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #14
Either he's lying or an idiot, or most likely both LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #3
Exactly! He must really be an idiot/liar not to get what is going on! Like WTF, RKP5637 Mar 2015 #6
I think that this pompous asshole actually thinks Americans are idiots. olegramps Mar 2015 #29
Could he be proven wrong on that assumption? Bandit Mar 2015 #42
Unfortunately, most of us are. juajen Mar 2015 #43
he's lying Enrique Mar 2015 #10
I hate to break this to everyone leftynyc Mar 2015 #21
Then Netanyahu should go home, today! atreides1 Mar 2015 #26
Well, Bibi's approval rating in the US leftynyc Mar 2015 #31
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He could have just declined. olegramps Mar 2015 #30
Why on earth would leftynyc Mar 2015 #32
Because it's a slap in the face to our president? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #45
Yawwwwwwwn leftynyc Mar 2015 #46
It is an unpresidented mover that is intended to undermine Obama. olegramps Mar 2015 #51
Try paragraphs next time leftynyc Mar 2015 #53
I am sorry about your lack of reading comprehesion. olegramps Mar 2015 #56
Let me know leftynyc Mar 2015 #57
You only confirm my suspicions. Have a nice day and don't skip any meds. olegramps Mar 2015 #58
Yawn....more insults leftynyc Mar 2015 #59
No, it is what a know-it-all deserves. olegramps Mar 2015 #63
Actually it wasn't - the first date was changed to coordinate with AIPAC karynnj Mar 2015 #39
Bibi claims leftynyc Mar 2015 #41
It is pretty well known that Netanyahu gives a very low value to telling the truth karynnj Mar 2015 #44
I would hope the President doesn't trust him at all leftynyc Mar 2015 #47
The old "I never intended" canard...when that is trotted out, we know that MADem Mar 2015 #4
Then go home N'Yahoo ! C_U_L8R Mar 2015 #5
His entire agenda here is disrespectful - This is the wrong speech, in the wrong place at wrong time karynnj Mar 2015 #7
I agree with everything you wrote her. MBS Mar 2015 #33
Then cancel your disrespectful speech and go home, asshole. nt tridim Mar 2015 #8
Mr Bibi, I don't mean disrespect, but you are an idiot. Helen Borg Mar 2015 #9
That is exactly what he intended to do ... and the same for John Boner too. Botany Mar 2015 #11
I could write a lot here Plucketeer Mar 2015 #12
From now on we should use the word O'Reilly in place of liar. Botany Mar 2015 #18
I like that. Plucketeer Mar 2015 #19
I like it. Call a lie a Bill O or .... Botany Mar 2015 #20
Bill'oviating........... nt Plucketeer Mar 2015 #28
Liar KansDem Mar 2015 #13
Soothing words to make it easier for Republicans to swallow more BS. nt procon Mar 2015 #15
My Ass libodem Mar 2015 #16
Asshole. SoapBox Mar 2015 #17
Yeah, fuck off. progressoid Mar 2015 #22
Go home you warmongering liar. Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #23
so he's a liar too samsingh Mar 2015 #24
YOU meant no disrespect -- but it didn't occur to you rocktivity Mar 2015 #25
Well, you did Lifelong Protester Mar 2015 #27
Would it be against the Board rules to call this Bull SH*T! diabeticman Mar 2015 #34
Then you... onyourleft Mar 2015 #35
Too little, too late, Benny my boy... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #36
Yes, he did. Remember "nits make lice" (some Israeli politcian really said this recently) McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #37
If he had any sense madokie Mar 2015 #38
Noam Chomsky: Opposing Iran Nuclear Deal, Israel’s Goal Isn’t Survival — It’s Regional Dominance Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #40
Suuure, Bibi. City Lights Mar 2015 #48
Lying liars lie. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #49
*cough**cough* MiniMe Mar 2015 #50
Wow. The shitty things Bibi can do totally by accident!... Aristus Mar 2015 #52
OH BS Marthe48 Mar 2015 #54
Yes you did, asshole. magical thyme Mar 2015 #55
audition for fox news in case the election goes south on him dembotoz Mar 2015 #60
He not only offended the country and the president but every left winger. Sparky 1 Mar 2015 #61
Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit.. Cha Mar 2015 #62
Liar. closeupready Mar 2015 #64

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
14. Lies to cover the lies. Fox style. GOP style. Lie, lie, lie, deny, deny, deny. Media sucks it up.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:28 PM
Mar 2015

Bringing his Gloom and Doom election campaign to America...where his party is shutting down national security even as Bibi bemoans lack of national security...it is not irony, it is something worse...bald faced hypocrisy.
Note to media: Bibi is in an election campaign to keep his job, vote is two weeks away...look it up.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
3. Either he's lying or an idiot, or most likely both
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:05 PM
Mar 2015

'"My speech is also not intended to inject Israel into the American partisan debate," he added.'

What the hell does he think the whole purpose of Boehner's invitation was?!

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
6. Exactly! He must really be an idiot/liar not to get what is going on! Like WTF,
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:15 PM
Mar 2015

he gets invited behind the back of another countries president, just what doesn't he understand that this protocol is bizarre and wrong! And, I would say the same if the tables were reversed and a democrat had done it behind a republican president's back. It is bizarre and wrong.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
10. he's lying
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:18 PM
Mar 2015

he knows all about American politics, and is clearly on one side, and knew exactly what he was doing.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. I hate to break this to everyone
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:00 PM
Mar 2015

here who only see bibi as a nefarious right winger bent on crapping on the President but the timing of the speech to Congress was likely timed to coincide with his speech to AIPAC - their conference started yesterday - so he wouldn't have to travel here twice. I detest bibi but the AIPAC dates have been public for quite some time. My personal opinion is that Boehner is the one who is trying to take advantage of the ridiculous notion that Pres Obama is anti-Israel.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
26. Then Netanyahu should go home, today!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:30 PM
Mar 2015

Yes the AIPAC speech was already scheduled...but what possible reason would Netanyahu have for accepting the invitation from Boehner? And then failed to inform the White House of his speech before Congress?

You give Boehner too much credit...the man is anything but a planner! We are talking about the man who walked onto the floor of the House handing out checks from the tobacco companies!

Netanyahu was given information on how the talks were going with Iran and didn't like what he was hearing...and saw this as an opportunity...Boehner wants to use this to convince pro-Israel Americans that the president is anti-Israel...this was a combined effort on the parts of Netanyahu and Boehner!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. Why on earth would
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:50 PM
Mar 2015

would the Prime Minister from ANY of our allies refuse an invitation from the Speaker of the House?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
45. Because it's a slap in the face to our president?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:19 PM
Mar 2015

Carrying water for that war criminal Netanyahu must get tiresome.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. Yawwwwwwwn
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:48 PM
Mar 2015

I've made my feelings for bibi very clear numerous times so right off the bat, you're stupidly attributing motives that do not exist. Again, I'll ask the same question since you're loathe to answer it. Which leader of an ally would turn down the Speaker of the House? Name names or go bother someone else with your bullshit accusations.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
51. It is an unpresidented mover that is intended to undermine Obama.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:56 AM
Mar 2015

It is not "bullshit" that our Constitution makes the President responsible for foreign policy. For the head of any country to accept an invitation from a political party to actually challenge the head of government and their foreign policy is dead wrong. So Bibi has been given the right to set the United States foreign policy? It was underhanded move by Boehner to discredit the president because of his vehement hatred of Obama and determination to oppose him on every measure. The Republicans are willing to actually jeopardize the wellbeing of our citizens in their insane campaign of hatred. In regard to Bibi, he is just as underhanded as Boehner and his ilk and demonstrated that he is no statesman when he would insult the president of an ally who has made it possible for his nation to even continue to exist. As a last thought, what about Israel's nuclear capability that was carried out secretly. If they were threatened and feared they may lose some of the territory that they have seized would the open up a nuclear holocaust? They have refused to sign the non-proliferation agreement. So some could ask why can they have nuclear weapons and others in the Middle East can not? Would they be willing to give up their weapons as part of a deal to prevent the possibility of a nuclear war?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
53. Try paragraphs next time
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

That was painful to read. I kept looking for an answer to my question and it took me 5 minutes and a headache to see you didn't answer it either.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
56. I am sorry about your lack of reading comprehesion.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:47 PM
Mar 2015

In order not to confuse you, I will gladly separate each sentence into a separate paragraph.

I suspect that the root cause of your pain was your inability to find a least one typo.

If you could have, it would have saved you from looking for some other excuse to discount the response.

It is my unfortunate experience that the most critical people usually have a very misguided appraisal of their superiority in all matters small or large.

Please provide a list of heads of state that have addressed congress without either an invitation or approval by the president.

In conjunction with the above paragraph, since when has a foreign head of state been appointed by congress to determine foreign policy.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my meager grasp of the United States Constitution that dictates that the president has sole responsibility for determination of foreign policy.



 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
57. Let me know
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:51 PM
Mar 2015

when the whining ends. There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension and how fucking egotistical of to think your post is anything but drivel and nonsense since you seem to think a speech in front of Congress means a change in foreign policy. I'm not interested in calming down a hysteric. Now don't forget to whine to the moderators and alert.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
63. No, it is what a know-it-all deserves.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

Your parents called you Sunny because they had to put a bushel basket over you so the sun could come out.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
39. Actually it wasn't - the first date was changed to coordinate with AIPAC
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:01 PM
Mar 2015

only after there was an uproar. Not to mention, he COULD have simply given a speech to AIPAC - and not created a command performance with the background of Congress.

The fact is this entire farce was a Dermer idea. Not to mention, there is NO urgency (as far as Iran goes) for him to speak before there is even a framework. That his spokesperson says that he will tell Congress things they don't know -- even though Kerry and others have argued that leaking cherry picked details likely with distortions could hurt the chances of getting an agreement. Not to mention anything he was told was in confidence -- and only last week Israel was whining that we weren't keeping them informed. (Interesting question - how do they know the US position if they weren't informed?)

This is the absolutely wrong time and the wrong place for the messianic, deluded Netanyahu to speak on Iran.

Not to mention, I do not think that a US President, whether I voted for him or not always speaks for me --- I certainly do not think that the Prime Minister of Israel, a country where I have no vote, speaks for me in any way just because I am Jewish. I am Jewish - not Israeli - and he is not a religious figure.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. Bibi claims
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:22 PM
Mar 2015

he was invited by Boehner and he claims he was under the impression it was a bipartisan invite. So he's not only throwing Boehner under the bus, he's throwing Dermer also. I also will never say Bibi speaks for me as a Jew. He's contemptible.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
44. It is pretty well known that Netanyahu gives a very low value to telling the truth
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:55 PM
Mar 2015

He seems to consider that if a lie works better for what he considers the correct end -- he will lie.

It is impossible for me to believe that Dermer proposed this without knowledge of Netanyahu and that he then accepted not knowing that the administration did not know. As to Dermer, he met for 2 hours with Kerry - on the effort Kerry and the State department made calling over 50 leaders of countries in an effort to get support for Israel -- and he didn't tell Kerry about it.

Not to mention the more significant problem, the negotiations are ongoing and the possible deal is not known -- and Netanyahu, per a Moussad leader could throw a hand grenade at it if he gets Congress to follow him.

I see absolutely no reason to believe a word that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth -- and would not blame Obama if he also trusted him so little.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
47. I would hope the President doesn't trust him at all
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:51 PM
Mar 2015

He's simply not truthworthy and has been a horrendous leader for Israel. But I really do think this was Boehner's idea. He knows the republicans need a "win" badly and he thought by driving to divide Democrats, he'd get one.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. The old "I never intended" canard...when that is trotted out, we know that
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:09 PM
Mar 2015

he DID, in fact, intend that which he is decrying.

He should be ashamed of himself--he never makes things better, he always makes them worse.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
7. His entire agenda here is disrespectful - This is the wrong speech, in the wrong place at wrong time
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:15 PM
Mar 2015

Israel has complained that the US was holding out from giving them as much information as they wanted on the talks. However, this was because they have been mischaracterizing the pieces they knew.

Yesterday, Haaretz reported that a Netanyahu aide said he wanted to give Congress information they did not have. However, note that this specially means giving information Netanyahu got in confidence to a PUBLIC forum. If the goal was just to give out the information, I suspect that they could have found ways to get the info just to Congress.

Today, there was an article where Kerry spoke of the danger of leaking details in the still under construction deal.

Netanyahu's speech is the most blatantly POLITICAL action I have ever seen. As there is no framework yet, there is no American or world wide action that is imminent. The timing is 100% because of Netanyahu's election and his wanting the graphic of him getting standing ovations.

It is very hard to argue that just because an agreement covers "just 10 years" that it is better to not have it at all. Netanyahu has yet to answer what his alternative is -- nor have any of his apologists. (The idea that Netanyahu has some brilliance at diplomacy and is credible in arguing that anything would get a better deal - ie tougher sanctions (that are not even possible at an international level) is laughable.)

MBS

(9,688 posts)
33. I agree with everything you wrote her.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:58 PM
Mar 2015

And, yeah, the concept of Netanyahu as "diplomat" is indeed laughable. (except that the consequences of his latest antics are not laughable at all).

Botany

(70,504 posts)
11. That is exactly what he intended to do ... and the same for John Boner too.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:19 PM
Mar 2015

Diplomacy and Foreign Policy are powers of the Office of The President of the
United States expressly granted by the US Constitution. This is a slap in the
face to President Obama by republicans that have refuse to accept the fact
he won two elections and by Bibi too.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
19. I like that.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:43 PM
Mar 2015

But Bill'O might be better. Or "O'Lielly". Certainly there's some decent folks named O'Reilly in the world. They wouldn't deserve to end up in the same dustpan as Bill.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
20. I like it. Call a lie a Bill O or ....
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:53 PM
Mar 2015

.... call lying as a verb .... or is it an adverb? botany =

Man, Cheney was Bill O'ing on "Meet the Press."

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
13. Liar
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:28 PM
Mar 2015

He knew it would be disrespectful.

I knew it would be disrespectful and I'm not some world-leader power broker.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
25. YOU meant no disrespect -- but it didn't occur to you
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:27 PM
Mar 2015

that maybe the Boner DID? Which means that HE has disrespected YOU?


rocktivity

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
27. Well, you did
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:38 PM
Mar 2015

You either did not pay attention to the ramifications of your speech/visit, or you were a willing pawn of John Boehner. Neither shows you in a good light.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
34. Would it be against the Board rules to call this Bull SH*T!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:01 PM
Mar 2015

Biggest pile of it I have seen in a long while.

onyourleft

(726 posts)
35. Then you...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:04 PM
Mar 2015

...should have never accepted the invitation from the Speaker. It is, as I said yesterday elsewhere, one of the most disrespectful things that has occurred during this President's term.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
36. Too little, too late, Benny my boy...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:18 PM
Mar 2015

... your insufferable arrogance has finally gone too far, and it's finally coming home to bite your ample posterior. Time to update that resume, 'cause you're gonna be out of a job pretty soon, don't you think?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
37. Yes, he did. Remember "nits make lice" (some Israeli politcian really said this recently)
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:40 PM
Mar 2015

and Obama is the "nit" of a Muslim "louse"---at least in the eyes of those who believe that Muslims are lice.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
38. If he had any sense
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:00 PM
Mar 2015

he'd scrap this whole idea. hell if he had any sense to begin with he wouldn't have ever agreed to it in the first place. fuck him and the war he rides in on.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
40. Noam Chomsky: Opposing Iran Nuclear Deal, Israel’s Goal Isn’t Survival — It’s Regional Dominance
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:16 PM
Mar 2015

AMY GOODMAN: Well, Noam, let’s start with Netanyahu’s visit. He is set to make this unprecedented joint address to Congress, unprecedented because of the kind of rift it has demonstrated between the Republicans and the Democratic president, President Obama. Can you talk about its significance?

NOAM CHOMSKY: For both president—Prime Minister Netanyahu and the hawks in Congress, mostly Republican, the primary goal is to undermine any potential negotiation that might settle whatever issue there is with Iran. They have a common interest in ensuring that there is no regional force that can serve as any kind of deterrent to Israeli and U.S. violence, the major violence in the region. And it is—if we believe U.S. intelligence—don’t see any reason not to—their analysis is that if Iran is developing nuclear weapons, which they don’t know, it would be part of their deterrent strategy. Now, their general strategic posture is one of deterrence. They have low military expenditures. According to U.S. intelligence, their strategic doctrine is to try to prevent an attack, up to the point where diplomacy can set in. I don’t think anyone with a grey cell functioning thinks that they would ever conceivably use a nuclear weapon, or even try to. The country would be obliterated in 15 seconds. But they might provide a deterrent of sorts. And the U.S. and Israel certainly don’t want to tolerate that. They are the forces that carry out regular violence and aggression in the region and don’t want any impediment to that.

And for the Republicans in Congress, there’s another interest—namely, to undermine anything that Obama, you know, the entity Christ, might try to do. So that’s a separate issue there. The Republicans stopped being an ordinary parliamentary party some years ago. They were described, I think accurately, by Norman Ornstein, the very respected conservative political analyst, American Enterprise Institute; he said the party has become a radical insurgency which has abandoned any commitment to parliamentary democracy. And their goal for the last years has simply been to undermine anything that Obama might do, in an effort to regain power and serve their primary constituency, which is the very wealthy and the corporate sector. They try to conceal this with all sorts of other means. In doing so, they’ve had to—you can’t get votes that way, so they’ve had to mobilize sectors of the population which have always been there but were never mobilized into an organized political force: evangelical Christians, extreme nationalists, terrified people who have to carry guns into Starbucks because somebody might be after them, and so on and so forth. That’s a big force. And inspiring fear is not very difficult in the United States. It’s a long history, back to colonial times, of—as an extremely frightened society, which is an interesting story in itself. And mobilizing people in fear of them, whoever "them" happens to be, is an effective technique used over and over again. And right now, the Republicans have—their nonpolicy has succeeded in putting them back in a position of at least congressional power. So, the attack on—this is a personal attack on Obama, and intended that way, is simply part of that general effort. But there is a common strategic concern underlying it, I think, and that is pretty much what U.S. intelligence analyzes: preventing any deterrent in the region to U.S. and Israeli actions.

in full:http://www.democracynow.org/2015/3/2/noam_chomsky_opposing_iran_nuclear_deal

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
55. Yes you did, asshole.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
Mar 2015

Can we now stop funding this warmongering asshole who never saw an enemy he didn't want us to attack?

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