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mimi85

(1,805 posts)
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:47 AM Feb 2015

Deputies: Boy, 3, dies after shooting himself in head

Last edited Sun Mar 1, 2015, 02:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Source:

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas -
A 3-year-old boy has died after he accidentally shot himself in the head inside his family's house, deputy constables said.

The shooting happened shortly before 1 p.m. Friday in the 7400 block of Betanna Drive.

Deputies said the boy was able to get a gun and then shoot himself in the head.

Residents who live in the Hearthstone subdivision in northwest Harris County don't normally see crime scene tape blocking off an entire block, but that's what happened Friday afternoon immediately after the shooting.


Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-year-old-shoots-self-texas-n314501



Enough. Please, I just can't take it anymore,
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Deputies: Boy, 3, dies after shooting himself in head (Original Post) mimi85 Feb 2015 OP
This is not an accident randr Feb 2015 #1
Gunz save lives! mikeysnot Feb 2015 #2
A three year old cannot have an "accident" with a loaded gun.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #3
Minimally criminal negligence, should be depraved indifference HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #5
fixed link thesquanderer Feb 2015 #4
negligent homicide Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #6
Link does not work. N/T Ineeda Feb 2015 #7
Very sad. I find the rationale/emotional disconnect in these shooting cases disturbing. annominous Feb 2015 #8
Ditto! man4allcats Feb 2015 #23
Jesus, Mary and Joseph shenmue Feb 2015 #9
There ya have it Plucketeer Feb 2015 #10
These poor little kids are the real victims of this gun mania. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2015 #11
NRA Slogan Geronimoe Feb 2015 #12
Well, I'll be ! father founding Feb 2015 #13
Well, waddya know! Paladin Feb 2015 #18
parents in these situations need to be prosecuted. negligent homicide. Enough kath Feb 2015 #14
Where is the anti-TAX crowd? I want to know exactly how much in tax dollars someone's right to bear vkkv Feb 2015 #15
Stupidity and fear... freebrew Feb 2015 #16
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Feb 2015 #17
Well conceived, sound ideas. Anything less is written to indulge the destructive lunatic fringe. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #19
Thanks. Keep posting this. The more folks that see it, the more LuckyLib Mar 2015 #24
Thanks...it's time to do something. Sancho Mar 2015 #28
Another responsible gun owner who "needs" the gun for "protection." valerief Feb 2015 #20
The parents should be shown pictures of the dead boy every day for the rest of their rotten lives. AlinPA Feb 2015 #21
If only the boy had had a gun............ lastlib Feb 2015 #22
That was my first thought too. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #27
asshole gun humpers are more upset by pricey ammo than dead kids Skittles Mar 2015 #25
I don't see why it is not considered a criminal act to let a baby play with a gun and kill himself. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #26
In many states it is a criminal act hack89 Mar 2015 #32
Maybe it was a boat accident? rock Mar 2015 #29
I still feel sick, yet this happens every day. mimi85 Mar 2015 #30
SECURE YOUR GODDAMN WEAPONS! nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #31

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
3. A three year old cannot have an "accident" with a loaded gun..
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:55 AM
Feb 2015

because a loaded gun should be no where near a three year old. This is no accident,. whoever left that gun where the child could get is is guilty of homicide. If we believe that "guns don't kill people" then there are NO ACCIDENTS. Child abuse resulting in death.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. Minimally criminal negligence, should be depraved indifference
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:04 AM
Feb 2015

criminal negligence is defined as any type of conduct that “grossly deviates” from normal, reasonable standards of an ordinary person. It generally involves an indifference or disregard for human life or for the safety of people

To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

Because gun owning is so common and because the owner of the gun is likely to be viewed as an emotional victim of this, it's unlikely that this could be considered wanton/deliberate.

A terrible ultimate price to pay for adult negligence.

 

annominous

(68 posts)
8. Very sad. I find the rationale/emotional disconnect in these shooting cases disturbing.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:14 AM
Feb 2015

The best we Americans can do in the midst of this slaughter is to pile up stuffed animals outside the places where these tragedies occur? WTF?

man4allcats

(4,026 posts)
23. Ditto!
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:15 PM
Feb 2015

I see this on the news all the time; it strikes me as nothing less than obscene. Some tragic, horrible, ruinous and preventable nonsense occurs, and the best we can manage is to drop off a stuffed animal and be on our way. Then it's "Move along, folks. Nothing to see here." It just makes me sick. There is something seriously wrong with the people in this country.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
11. These poor little kids are the real victims of this gun mania.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:52 AM
Feb 2015

It's so sad.

Every week there is another little child shot and killed. And often there is also a brother or sister who will live their whole live knowing they killed their sibling. Or a child who has to grow up knowing he accidentally killed a parent.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
12. NRA Slogan
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:56 AM
Feb 2015

"I'll give you my gun when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands"

Perhaps they should change this to .... when you pry it from my toddler's cold, dead hands.

I'm afraid something like this will only increase gun and ammunition sales, as gun owners will worry that Congress, might actually pass sensible laws, however we know Congress will do no such thing, rather ask NRA to fill their re-election campaign war chests. And then do some kabuki/dog and pony show until the public's miniscule attention span wanes.



Paladin

(28,271 posts)
18. Well, waddya know!
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:30 PM
Feb 2015

I just knew this thread about a tragic incident would be sidetracked by a Texas-hating post.

kath

(10,565 posts)
14. parents in these situations need to be prosecuted. negligent homicide. Enough
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:40 PM
Feb 2015

And get their other kids out of their dangerous, dangerous home.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
15. Where is the anti-TAX crowd? I want to know exactly how much in tax dollars someone's right to bear
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:40 PM
Feb 2015

Imprison the parents for decades at a cost to the TEXAS tax payers - not the rest of the country.

Where is the anti-TAX crowd?

I want to know exactly how much in tax dollars someone's right to bear "ARMS" is COSTING ME.

How much are firearms costing us regarding police hours, gov't mental health care and therapy, prosecutor hours, government vehicles and insurance, gas, police health and injury paid leave, vehicle repairs, prison food, prison clothes, chains, water, court costs, judges salaries, district attorney pay, prison heat & electric, other court employees, jailer costs, court heating & electric, public defenders, hospitalization, welfare to victim's families, property liability insurance, coroner fees, cremation fees and other associated costs relating to gun crime??

I'm guessing the NRA isn't going to bring it up because the costs are way too much per person just so that some idiot can own an automatic or semi-automatic or repeating rounds weapon.

Call your Congressman and demand an economic study on the costs. DO IT.

Tell them to keep your tax dollars from covering the huge costs when some crazy gun owner loses it and shoots an assault weapon or handgun at someone.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
16. Stupidity and fear...
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:57 PM
Feb 2015

a 3 year-old in the house. A gun, not only loaded, but a round in the chamber?

WTF is this guy afraid of?

The parents have apparently had no training in how to own a gun.
Yet, they thought they needed one immediately accessible in case of what?

I blame the M$M for stoking fear. Fear of terrorists, fear of Obama taking their guns, just fear, fear and more.

The F'ing TV is full of shows instilling this fear in every home, every night.

It's no wonder even the cops are afraid of everything.

The stupid, it hurts.

edited for typo...

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
17. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
19. Well conceived, sound ideas. Anything less is written to indulge the destructive lunatic fringe. n/t
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:02 PM
Feb 2015

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
24. Thanks. Keep posting this. The more folks that see it, the more
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:38 AM
Mar 2015

actual real discussions we can have about the lunacy that is gun-nuttery.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
28. Thanks...it's time to do something.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:22 AM
Mar 2015

Usually I have the same debate over and over with gunners.

If there are any better solutions, I haven't seen them.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
21. The parents should be shown pictures of the dead boy every day for the rest of their rotten lives.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:51 PM
Feb 2015

lastlib

(23,267 posts)
22. If only the boy had had a gun............
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:39 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:42 PM - Edit history (1)

(sorry to be so sarcastic about such a tragedy. But ridicule of the NRA types is one way to start beating down this culture of gun-humping that treats the deaths of little children as "collateral damage".)

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Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
27. That was my first thought too.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:42 AM
Mar 2015

I have heard it so much as their excuse that it is always the first thing that comes to mind.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
26. I don't see why it is not considered a criminal act to let a baby play with a gun and kill himself.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:40 AM
Mar 2015

Oh, that's right. The 2nd Amendment can never be changed in any way at all. It is not just written in stone. It is permanent. To even suggest we make any laws that might make it criminal to let a baby play with a gun is blasphemy and will not be tolerated.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
30. I still feel sick, yet this happens every day.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

I've had this on my mind since I first read it (although it was elsewhere). I have family members who used guns for suicide. Bad enough. But I remember when I was pregnant in 1968 and MLK and RFK were both assassinated, my dad wanted me to go with him to the shooting range.

My husband (still)! of 57 years and I lived next door to my folks at the time and I completely lost it. And I mean lost it. Well, not the baby, who is never an it. But I was dumbfounded. I loved the man with all my heart and miss him dearly to this very day, but that day I didn't. Sorry to ramble. Yet another reason for my Avatar.

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