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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:03 PM Feb 2015

Landmark net neutrality rules win FCC approval in party-line 3-2 vote

Source: LA Times

In a landmark decision for the future of the Internet, the Federal Communications Commission on Thursday approved tough net neutrality regulations to oversee online traffic.

The new rules prohibit Internet service providers from discriminating against legal content flowing through their wired or wireless networks, such as by charging websites for faster delivery of video and other data to consumers.

In an expected 3-2 party-line vote, the agency's Democrat majority approved a plan by FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler that puts broadband providers in the same legal category as more highly regulated conventional telephone companies.

Wheeler has promised a modernized, light-touch regulatory approach that would exempt Internet service from many of the tougher provisions of that designation under Title 2 of the telecommunications law, particularly rate regulation.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-net-neutrality-fcc-vote-20150226-story.html

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Landmark net neutrality rules win FCC approval in party-line 3-2 vote (Original Post) Bosonic Feb 2015 OP
I unfollowed Mark Cuban this morning on twitter Drale Feb 2015 #1
He's a billionaire. Birds of a feather and all. nt valerief Feb 2015 #17
Thanks Obama pkdu Feb 2015 #2
We are now communicating! House of Roberts Feb 2015 #3
Great news! This and the Keystone veto were rare political highlights -- the good kind! -- villager Feb 2015 #4
So If i read it right Robbins Feb 2015 #5
Great news - unless you are Ted Cruz TBF Feb 2015 #14
It's always a good thing Liberalynn Feb 2015 #24
Doesn't surprise me a bit... elzenmahn Feb 2015 #54
"Senator from Edmonton" TBF Feb 2015 #66
And if we'd had a Republican president, the Internet would have just been auctioned off. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #64
GOOD! nt DocMac Feb 2015 #6
This is awesome news and a big thumbs up for the President, provided it doesn't come unraveled GoneFishin Feb 2015 #7
A genuine WIN for our side Plucketeer Feb 2015 #8
American crapitalism, esp. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #37
Already started! raven mad Feb 2015 #40
Bernie sanders sent out tweet applauding this Robbins Feb 2015 #9
Hip hip hooray! City Lights Feb 2015 #10
Good News! drm604 Feb 2015 #11
I love this and hate it equally truthisfreedom Feb 2015 #12
One other aspect of this ruling is overturning rules banning municipal networks jeff47 Feb 2015 #23
This is very good news. blogslut Feb 2015 #13
Yes it is - now come the lawsuits. Maven Feb 2015 #18
Very good news! Now FCC needs to enforce mass propaganda laws against Murdock "News". The Wielding Truth Feb 2015 #15
Net neutrality allows government censorship? tjl148 Feb 2015 #53
Democrat-IC majority Maven Feb 2015 #16
Excellent start, and just a "foot in the door" GuntherGebelWilliams Feb 2015 #19
Thank goodness for a Democratic majority in the FCC. Without a Democratic president pampango Feb 2015 #20
WHEW annabanana Feb 2015 #21
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #22
Another DU prognostication fails. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #25
Well, here is the money shot - djean111 Feb 2015 #26
Every private, for-profit entity BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #33
Wait, what? Mr. Wheeler's first proposal favored the cable industry and was opposed rhett o rick Feb 2015 #42
Keep trying. BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #60
One more try. Mr. Wheeler was against net neutrality before he was for it. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #62
One more try BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #65
Yep.. but, what can we expect.. they got their talking points from firedoggielake. Cha Feb 2015 #44
Exactly and... BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #61
And it's pissing off all the right DUers today... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #51
So happy about this...but you know the corporate ISP's will find loopholes to get what they want. C Moon Feb 2015 #27
Yes! Another win against the Ugly-Bags-of-mostly-Water ! BlueJazz Feb 2015 #28
This is just as an important issue as SCOTUS appointments LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #29
Just when I start questioning why I even bothered to vote for Obama Kurska Feb 2015 #30
The corporate sellout president strikes again! joshcryer Feb 2015 #31
LOL. You guys change your tunes so often. When Mr. Wheeler made his first terrible proposal rhett o rick Feb 2015 #43
That's such bullshit. joshcryer Feb 2015 #46
I agree that the process worked, but it was because millions of Americans rhett o rick Feb 2015 #47
No, it is because Obama nominated a reasonable man. joshcryer Feb 2015 #49
Your "reasonable man" initial proposal was against net neutrality. That never would have happened rhett o rick Feb 2015 #50
There was no "initial proposal." joshcryer Feb 2015 #55
You've got to be kidding. He made a proposal that favored the industry. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #57
That's the process! joshcryer Feb 2015 #58
firedoggielake told them he would sell out.. I otoh trusted the President.. Cha Feb 2015 #45
Finally a victory! geomon666 Feb 2015 #32
A big win for us, and I'm very glad it happened. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #34
Another big reason having a Democratic president is important. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #35
Mr. Wheeler's first proposal opposed net neutrality and was opposed by the two rhett o rick Feb 2015 #48
"We ain't one-at-a-timin' here...we're MASS communicatin'!" FailureToCommunicate Feb 2015 #36
GOPers are taking this to court and we all know Iliyah Feb 2015 #38
Comcast owned MSNBC is ignoring this important story Mosaic Feb 2015 #39
Kicked SoapBox Feb 2015 #41
We seek the free flow of information! wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #52
Title II incorporation is worrisome. Recursion Feb 2015 #56
Not really, first amendment and all. joshcryer Feb 2015 #59
But both parties are the SAAAAAAAAME! n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #63
My feelings on this are mixed. Calista241 Feb 2015 #67
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
4. Great news! This and the Keystone veto were rare political highlights -- the good kind! --
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:09 PM
Feb 2015

this week.

Have been busy with work so not checking in much, but always glad to see the guy I was voting for back in '08 show up in policies, and affect! So let me say it: Thanks, Obama!

now on to getting back our 4th Amendment, slowing the Atlantic oil drilling, stopping the wolf slaughter, etc..!

TBF

(32,084 posts)
14. Great news - unless you are Ted Cruz
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:19 PM
Feb 2015

he's already on Twitter making asshole comments about it.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
7. This is awesome news and a big thumbs up for the President, provided it doesn't come unraveled
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:10 PM
Feb 2015

because of TPP or some corporate or Republican weasel tactics.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
8. A genuine WIN for our side
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:12 PM
Feb 2015

Most certainly, there's folks somewhere - plotting how they can step around this. Capitalism HATES level playing fields.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
40. Already started!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:28 PM
Feb 2015
WASHINGTON, DC – Republican Members of the Energy and Commerce Committee’s Subcommittee on Communications and Technology today responded to the FCC’s vote in favor of utility-style regulation of the Internet:

“Resorting to Great Depression-era rules will trigger a stampede to the courts, unleashing years of lawsuits and uncertainty at a time when U.S. leadership and the Internet economy are more important than ever. We believe the Internet has worked well under current rules, but we were – and we remain – willing to come to the table with legislation to answer the calls for legally sustainable consumer protections for the free and open Internet that has fostered a generation of innovation, economic growth, and global empowerment.

- See more at: http://energycommerce.house.gov/press-release/subcommtech-members-respond-fccs-unprecedented-regulation-internet#sthash.mOHcMgqo.dpuf


truthisfreedom

(23,151 posts)
12. I love this and hate it equally
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Feb 2015

My log home can only use satellite reception and it's painfully slow. 37% of all content is video now, and it's slowing down the interwebs everywhere.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. One other aspect of this ruling is overturning rules banning municipal networks
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:41 PM
Feb 2015

So if there's enough people in the area, you might be able to get together and get faster service.

If there's very few people there, then you're going to have to wait for something like we did for rural telephone and electrical service.

blogslut

(38,007 posts)
13. This is very good news.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:18 PM
Feb 2015

To all the millions of individuals who posted their comments on the FCC's site - this victory is yours. You made this difference.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
18. Yes it is - now come the lawsuits.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:24 PM
Feb 2015

However this reclassification offers the best chance at withstanding legal challenges to net neutrality rules.

 
19. Excellent start, and just a "foot in the door"
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:34 PM
Feb 2015

When these new regulations are implemented the FCC will finally be a centralized place for right thinking people to lodge complaints against web content that is blatantly false misleading and overall harmful to society.

Our next President has said that She agreed with President Barack Obama’s decision to try to regulate the Internet like a utility. But she said Congress should undertake a comprehensive legislative approach that addresses more than net neutrality. “It’s a foot in the door, it’s a value statement,” Clinton said. “I think the president is right to be upfront and out front on that.”

And we know She'll go after disgusting sites like Drudge, Breitbart, Freeperville and all the others that have been lying and going after Her and Bill all these years.

I can hardly wait to start filing complaints with the FCC about certain activities on the internet!

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. Thank goodness for a Democratic majority in the FCC. Without a Democratic president
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:35 PM
Feb 2015

this would have gone the other way.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
26. Well, here is the money shot -
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:02 PM
Feb 2015
Wheeler has promised a modernized, light-touch regulatory approach that would exempt Internet service from many of the tougher provisions of that designation under Title 2 of the telecommunications law, particularly rate regulation.


They will get that money they were after. Watch the rates rise.

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
33. Every private, for-profit entity
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:57 PM
Feb 2015

is going to find a way, a loophole, a nebulous paragraph, to "get theirs". As long as private entities exist, there is little around that outside of nationalizing them (e.g., the private, interstate utilities are run by the government)....Which could be dangerous if the "nation" is run by fascist types.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. Wait, what? Mr. Wheeler's first proposal favored the cable industry and was opposed
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:41 PM
Feb 2015

by both other Democrats on the committee (both Republicans approved). Milions of American signed petitions and sent emails to protest Mr. Wheeler's proposal. Apparently he changed his mind. I am glad for the participation of the American people.

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
60. Keep trying.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:43 AM
Feb 2015

It's like a fucking broken record here on DU. A 6-year trail of FAIL. Never any benefit of the doubt permitted. Always repetitive nonsense insisting on "actions rather than words" and when the "actions" DO occur, they are summarily dismissed because they don't fit the DU-concocted version of the current President.

It's a miracle to see a few finally giving credit where credit is due but others will never yield, and at this point, I personally don't give a shit whether they do or not.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
62. One more try. Mr. Wheeler was against net neutrality before he was for it.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:15 AM
Feb 2015

Millions of Americans contacted him and he changed his mind. How does Obama get credit?

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
65. One more try
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:04 AM
Feb 2015

Elizabeth Warren was for Republicans (and was an active one herself) before she was against them.

How does she get credit for anything? Give up. The disconnect and hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Cha

(297,481 posts)
44. Yep.. but, what can we expect.. they got their talking points from firedoggielake.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:51 PM
Feb 2015
Net Neutrality: President Obama's Plan for a Free and Open Internet

More than any other invention of our time, the Internet has unlocked possibilities we could just barely imagine a generation ago. And here's a big reason we've seen such incredible growth and innovation: Most Internet providers have treated Internet traffic equally. That's a principle known as "net neutrality" — and it says that an entrepreneur's fledgling company should have the same chance to succeed as established corporations, and that access to a high school student's blog shouldn't be unfairly slowed down to make way for advertisers

http://www.whitehouse.gov/net-neutrality



http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/26/a-tweet-or-two-and-ggails-birthday/

BRDS!

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
61. Exactly and...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:54 AM
Feb 2015

Much of this President's strategy has been to make people ENGAGE and be a part of what happens to their lives. Too many would rather sit back and get ready for March Madness and let others craft the environment that will impact them. And that's because some on both extremes of the political spectrum, make it their goal to distort and taint the information needed to determine what one can or should do.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
29. This is just as an important issue as SCOTUS appointments
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:36 PM
Feb 2015

Net Neutrality will be one of the key fights of this generation.

This is why I would continue voting Democrat. Even if it is no more than voting in the least of the two evils. As long as they stick to their position when/if Hillary and Goldman Sachs are in charge. We all thought Obama would never agree to the health bill without a public option included either.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
30. Just when I start questioning why I even bothered to vote for Obama
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:36 PM
Feb 2015

He always manages to do something that reminds me.

Kudos Mr. President.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. LOL. You guys change your tunes so often. When Mr. Wheeler made his first terrible proposal
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:45 PM
Feb 2015

that favored the industry and not net neutrality, you guys said it wasn't Obama's fault. That he appointed Mr. Wheeler and it was Wheeler's responsibility. Now that the protests of millions of Americans changed Mr. Wheeler's mind, you want to give the credit to the President.

I am glad that Americans were proactive enough to get Mr. Wheeler to change his mind.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
46. That's such bullshit.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:58 PM
Feb 2015

Obama said he favored it, Wheeler certainly listened to the people, the process worked.

This is in contrast to detractors who claimed Wheeler, a lobbyist for the industry, would never listen to the people.

The process worked.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
47. I agree that the process worked, but it was because millions of Americans
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

contacted Mr Wheeler to get him to change his mind. If it would have been up to him, he would have dumped net neutrality as his first proposal suggested. His first proposal was approved by the two Republicons on the committee and not approved by the two Democrats. That whole process should never have happened.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
49. No, it is because Obama nominated a reasonable man.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:07 PM
Feb 2015

But neither Obama or Wheeler are allowed to have any credit whatsoever.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
50. Your "reasonable man" initial proposal was against net neutrality. That never would have happened
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:12 PM
Feb 2015

had the President appointed someone that favored consumers and not the industry.

His initial proposal favored the industry at the expense of net neutrality and was strongly opposed by the two real Democrats on the committee. He had to be forced by millions of people to change his mind.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
55. There was no "initial proposal."
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:21 AM
Feb 2015

He "mulled" ie listened to what the corporations wanted. Any changes have to go through a public comment period by law. When that public comment period was over then he decided. What we got today was his proposal. It will still be tested in courts.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
57. You've got to be kidding. He made a proposal that favored the industry.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:31 AM
Feb 2015

There is a ton of info on the internets. Note the referal to Mr. Wheeler's "new proposal".

Jessica Rosenworcel, one of the three Democrats on the Federal Communication Commission, has asked for a delay on the proposal by Chairman Tom Wheeler for new neutrality rules. Rosenworcel said the "torrent of public response" hostile to the idea of a pay-for-play fast lane on the internet warranted the delay.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/08/1297841/-FCC-commissioner-asks-for-delay-net-neutrality-rules#

The day after around 150 Internet and tech companies asked FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler to remove discriminatory loopholes from his net neutrality proposal, another large coalition — comprised of everything from consumer advocates to educators to Reddit to… the Harry Potter Alliance — has written to both Wheeler and President Obama, calling for the FCC to drop the controversial plan to allow Internet “fast lanes.”
http://consumerist.com/2014/05/08/a-second-large-coalition-calls-on-white-house-fcc-to-not-screw-up-net-neutrality/

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
58. That's the process!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:50 AM
Feb 2015

If it were a "proposal" they would've voted on it. They are talking about delaying a proposal to vote on. Show me the text of his "proposal." "News reports" are talking about people in on the meetings and the various ways to achieve an end goal. Yes the halfway measures were discussed, but it's clear that they weren't needed and that Wheeler didn't find them necessary after careful consideration.

The only proposal Wheeler put forth was what was voted upon today. The potential halfway measures were never proposed to a vote.

Cha

(297,481 posts)
45. firedoggielake told them he would sell out.. I otoh trusted the President..
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:54 PM
Feb 2015
Net Neutrality: President Obama's Plan for a Free and Open Internet

More than any other invention of our time, the Internet has unlocked possibilities we could just barely imagine a generation ago. And here's a big reason we've seen such incredible growth and innovation: Most Internet providers have treated Internet traffic equally. That's a principle known as "net neutrality" — and it says that an entrepreneur's fledgling company should have the same chance to succeed as established corporations, and that access to a high school student's blog shouldn't be unfairly slowed down to make way for advertisers

http://www.whitehouse.gov/net-neutrality



http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/26/a-tweet-or-two-and-ggails-birthday/

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
34. A big win for us, and I'm very glad it happened.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:00 PM
Feb 2015

Let's remember how it came about, though. Without thousands, if not millions, of people objecting, we could very well have lost this.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
35. Another big reason having a Democratic president is important.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:50 PM
Feb 2015

Had Romney won in 2012, he would've appointed someone other than Wheeler and this would've likely gone the other way 3-2 against net neutrality.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
48. Mr. Wheeler's first proposal opposed net neutrality and was opposed by the two
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:06 PM
Feb 2015

Democrats on the committee and approved by the two Republicons on the committee. It took millions of Americans sending letters and emails to get the industry champion to change his mind.

Jessica Rosenworcel, one of the three Democrats on the Federal Communication Commission, has asked for a delay on the proposal by Chairman Tom Wheeler for new neutrality rules. Rosenworcel said the "torrent of public response" hostile to the idea of a pay-for-play fast lane on the internet warranted the delay.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/08/1297841/-FCC-commissioner-asks-for-delay-net-neutrality-rules#

The day after around 150 Internet and tech companies asked FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler to remove discriminatory loopholes from his net neutrality proposal, another large coalition — comprised of everything from consumer advocates to educators to Reddit to… the Harry Potter Alliance — has written to both Wheeler and President Obama, calling for the FCC to drop the controversial plan to allow Internet “fast lanes.”
http://consumerist.com/2014/05/08/a-second-large-coalition-calls-on-white-house-fcc-to-not-screw-up-net-neutrality/


I do agree that under a Republicon it would never have happened and I approve of the results.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,019 posts)
36. "We ain't one-at-a-timin' here...we're MASS communicatin'!"
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:50 PM
Feb 2015

"Oh my yes that's a powerful new force"



(Happy about the decision! )

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
39. Comcast owned MSNBC is ignoring this important story
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:05 PM
Feb 2015

NPR to their credit just mentioned it in a prime time news update.

 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
52. We seek the free flow of information!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:24 PM
Feb 2015

"We seek a free flow of

information...a nation that is

afraid to let the people judge

the truth and falsehood in an

open market is a nation afraid

of it's people."--Pres. John F.

Kennedy, Feb., 1962

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
56. Title II incorporation is worrisome.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:51 AM
Feb 2015

I'm on the fence on this. Title II incorporation means that the government now has the power, if it wishes, to say "no porn on the Internet" like it does with TV. Or say "no political websites". Or whatever.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
59. Not really, first amendment and all.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:55 AM
Feb 2015

Tom Wheeler even came out and said, expressly, "This is no more a plan to regulate the internet than the first amendment is a plan to regulate free speech."

Obscenity is only under the prevue of the FCC with regards to radio communication to broadcast TVs, so they're limited in that vein, anyway, I don't think they've been granted more power to regulate obscenity over the wire.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
67. My feelings on this are mixed.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:06 PM
Feb 2015

Yes, access to the Internet should be open and low cost, and priority should not be given to those with deep pockets.

But does this give the FCC the power to regulate content like they do on TV? That is extremely worrisome.

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