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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:26 PM Feb 2015

Don McLean's iconic American Pie to go under the hammer

Source: HindustanTimes

Legendary songwriter Don McLean's original manuscript of American Pie will soon be auctioned.

McLean's American Pie, one of the most iconic songs of its time, could fetch up to $1.5 million when it is sold on April 7, auctioneers Christie's said on Thursday.

The 16 pages of hand-written and typed drafts include notes and deletions for the recording that became a hit after it was released in 1971. It was named a Song of the Century by the Recording Industry Association of America and the National Endowment for the Arts.



McLean, 69, is among the most renowned singer-songwriters of his generation. He said he decided to sell the manuscript on a whim and has admitted the beginning of the more than eight-minute song is about the death of singer Buddy Holly, who died in a plane crash with Ritchie Valens and JP Richardson in 1959.

But he has been elusive about the meaning of most of the lyrics, which has heightened interest and led to countless interpretations.



"I wanted to capture, probably before it was ever formulated, a rock-and-roll American dream," McLean told Reuters. "The writing and the lyrics will divulge everything there is to divulge."

Read more: http://m.hindustantimes.com/music/don-mclean-s-iconic-american-pie-to-go-under-the-hammer/article1-1316406.aspx





Used to sing this while driving down to the Tailrace, the confluence of the Loup and Platte rivers--there really was a levee, we really did drive Chevys, and we really did drink whiskey (not sure about rye...)

Immortal.

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Don McLean's iconic American Pie to go under the hammer (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 OP
That song sucks. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #1
/\/\/\/\ yes/\/\/\/\ dembotoz Feb 2015 #2
Do you always log on just to poop on somebody's thread? Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #4
No, I stay logged on pretty much all the time. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #5
There's no accounting for poor taste. truthisfreedom Feb 2015 #9
Yeah, coming back for a second shart clinches it CANDO Feb 2015 #33
One of my absolute favs ... TY! (nt) sunnystarr Feb 2015 #13
Mine, too. And, McLean has promised that all shall Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #14
Well said. zeemike Feb 2015 #18
I love that song x 3,000,000,000!!!! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #27
Don't know about the 3 billion, but it IS a damn good song... Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #49
No more 8 minute wonders these days... Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #55
Always preferred Vincent BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #12
Vincent. Delphinus Feb 2015 #34
Great article on the song and McLean here BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #36
Thank you! n/t Delphinus Feb 2015 #37
That song rocks. demwing Feb 2015 #15
what's your favorite song? trumad Feb 2015 #19
No doubt a Skrillex fan Major Nikon Feb 2015 #54
And yet LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #23
Well, I do not care what you think TNNurse Feb 2015 #24
I equate it in merit to "Feelings." Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #26
That depends on your perspective. RoccoR5955 Feb 2015 #25
It's looong, it's repetitive, and the lyrics are rather stupid. Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #39
It was, and still is, a unique song William Seger Feb 2015 #44
Thanks, WS, for taking some of these latter-day Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #50
your sense of self-importance is underwhelming UpInArms Feb 2015 #40
Dang, all these years I thought I liked that song William Seger Feb 2015 #43
I still have that album. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #3
Well, it's probably worth something these days... Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #6
Living in Vegas has taught me when it's time to cash out. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #8
Most vinyl isn't worth much at all... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #17
As I learned, much to my chagrin, when I tried trading Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #45
For me, that song conjures up SheilaT Feb 2015 #7
Yes indeed. truthisfreedom Feb 2015 #10
For me too, Sheila T. Although, tastes do differ... Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #11
Don McLean - Vincent (Starry Starry Night) Omaha Steve Feb 2015 #16
I will just add the lyrics to that. zeemike Feb 2015 #20
A little more info Omaha Steve Feb 2015 #21
Thanks for adding this to the moment of nostalgia, OS. Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #46
One of my favorite albums and songs; Vincent. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #22
McLean is a visionary and a poet--too bad he no longer seems to be Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #48
They're going to smash it with a hammer? El Supremo Feb 2015 #28
FWIW, this is Indian English, derived from British English... Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #41
This is refreshing to see. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #29
And if you're driving and singing the song in your head... catnhatnh Feb 2015 #30
Love it! MoreGOPoop Feb 2015 #31
Me too, I've been singing along mightily with the Youtube version! Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #47
I concur that this is a terrible song. Kingofalldems Feb 2015 #32
Yes, that was on the B side of the "Vincent" 45. winter is coming Feb 2015 #38
That's probably my favorite Don McLean song. subterranean Feb 2015 #51
i like "everybody loves me baby" bedazzled Feb 2015 #53
A friend and I wrote this piece about it a couple of years ago. mac56 Feb 2015 #35
Interesting analysis and concept...! Surya Gayatri Feb 2015 #42
He's been elusive about the lyrics because rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #52
"drove my Chevy to the levee" William Seger Feb 2015 #57
My kids prefer Weird Al's version, Liz_Estrada Feb 2015 #56
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
4. Do you always log on just to poop on somebody's thread?
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:38 PM
Feb 2015

Or ought I to feel especially privileged?

You know, the French have a great expression to explain reactions like yours:

"Les goûts et les couleurs, ça ne se discute pas..." (Tastes and favorite colors, you don't argue about them.)

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
5. No, I stay logged on pretty much all the time.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:40 PM
Feb 2015

It's not your song, is it?

I'm sorry, it sucks.

Let me make an OP about how I like Miller High Life, or Domino's pizza, or how I sort of liked Creed in 1998, and watch the resulting shitstorm.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
33. Yeah, coming back for a second shart clinches it
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 09:40 PM
Feb 2015

Why the need to shit on a thread? So fine..you hate the song. Congratulations!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
14. Mine, too. And, McLean has promised that all shall
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:35 PM
Feb 2015

be revealed about the meaning of the lyrics--what there is to reveal, that is.

He, Dylan and Lennon/McCartney are the poets of the age of Rock and Roll.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
18. Well said.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:31 PM
Feb 2015

But there was no better song to describe the American music at that time in history...it was a conical of the history of rock and roll.
And yes they were poets...and so some don't understand.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
49. Don't know about the 3 billion, but it IS a damn good song...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:50 PM
Feb 2015

it must have been for the DJ of the era to play the whole 8+ minutes in an age of 3 minute wonders.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
12. Always preferred Vincent
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:17 PM
Feb 2015

Imagine, a song like that on AM radio, for everyone to hear. Thank you, Don McLean.

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
34. Vincent.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 09:40 PM
Feb 2015

That was my song when I was 13-14 - still love it, but I've healed a lot and no longer think of it in the same way.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
24. Well, I do not care what you think
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:38 PM
Feb 2015

And I suspect you are in the minority. You certainly have the right to express yourself, but I still do not care.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
25. That depends on your perspective.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:41 PM
Feb 2015

From one direction it sucks, from the other it blows!

I often think that he got paid by the word to write that song!

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
39. It's looong, it's repetitive, and the lyrics are rather stupid.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:24 AM
Feb 2015

I think, at the time, it was a novelty item as people made a game of matching up specific people and events to all of the lyrics. The very premise of the song, that rock and roll went downhill after Buddy Holly died, was a popular sentiment at the time (it was stated in the film American Graffiti and hearkens back to 50s nostalgia), but it is not a premise that most people today would endorse.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
44. It was, and still is, a unique song
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:41 PM
Feb 2015

... and I believe the premise was how much Buddy Holly's music meant to one particular young man, and how he perceived what followed.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
6. Well, it's probably worth something these days...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:49 PM
Feb 2015

besides the sentimental value, I mean.

I never had a copy, just borrowed other people's.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
17. Most vinyl isn't worth much at all...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:31 PM
Feb 2015

The only stuff that's really worth anything are records that were kept pristine (and very few of us kept and cared for them properly). A 40 year old record that's been played a bunch of times isn't going to be in the greatest condition due to wear and dust.

Now, a serious collector who's been anal about cleaning records before and after each use, storing them correctly (ie, no paper sleeves), and making sure that the tonearm and stylus are both aligned and clean might have some money in those shelves...

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
45. As I learned, much to my chagrin, when I tried trading
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:41 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:12 AM - Edit history (1)

in a bunch of old LPs last year..."most vinyl isn't worth much at all..." And that even includes ones in fairly decent shape.

Unless they were in the original jacket, and looked like they'd never been played, forget it!

And, that was here in Paris, where you'd think old stuff (especially old American stuff) would be worth something. But, no...just a few centimes per platter.

So, I threw most of them away and kept just my very favorites in the back of my closet.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. For me, that song conjures up
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:50 PM
Feb 2015

an entire era of rock and roll, mainly, for me, the early or mid-60's. That song is one of the best pieces of musical nostalgia I've ever heard.

Omaha Steve

(99,635 posts)
16. Don McLean - Vincent (Starry Starry Night)
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Feb 2015



Published on Jul 6, 2012
"Vincent" is a song by Don McLean written as a tribute to Vincent Van Gogh. It is also known by its opening line, "Starry Starry Night", a reference to Van Gogh's painting The Starry Night. The song also describes different paintings done by the artist.

McLean wrote "Vincent," also known as "Starry, Starry Night," in the fall of 1970, while he was working for the Berkshire School District. He was living in the Sedgwick House, a beautiful Federal style house in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. The Sedgwick family included Edie Sedgwick, a colorful figure whom Andy Warhol had filmed in the 1960s. McLean wrote "Vincent" in his apartment full of antiques. The inspiration came to him one morning while he was sitting on the veranda looking at a book about Vincent Van Gogh. As he studied a print of Van Gogh's painting "Starry Night," he realized that a song could be written about the artist through the painting. You may learn more by following this link: http://www.don-mclean.com/vincent.asp

This 1972 appearance is on the BBC program "Sounds For Saturday"

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
20. I will just add the lyrics to that.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:39 PM
Feb 2015

For it's poetic value.

Starry, starry night
Paint your palette blue and gray
Look out on a summer's day
With eyes that know the darkness in my soul


Shadows on the hills
Sketch the trees and the daffodils
Catch the breeze and the winter chills
In colors on the snowy linen land


Now I understand
What you tried to say to me
And how you suffered for your sanity
And how you tried to set them free


They would not listen, they did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now


Starry, starry night
Flaming flowers that brightly blaze
Swirling clouds in violet haze
Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue


Colors changing hue
Morning fields of amber grain
Weathered faces lined in pain
Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand


Now I understand
What you tried to say to me
And how you suffered for your sanity
And how you tried to set them free


They would not listen, they did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now


For they could not love you
But still your love was true
And when no hope was left in sight
On that starry, starry night


You took your life, as lovers often do
But I could've told you Vincent
This world was never meant for
One as beautiful as you


Starry, starry night
Portraits hung in empty halls
Frame-less heads on nameless walls
With eyes that watch the world and can't forget


Like the strangers that you've met
The ragged men in ragged clothes
The silver thorn of bloody rose
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow


Now I think I know
What you tried to say to me
And how you suffered for your sanity
And how you tried to set them free


They would not listen, they're not listening still
Perhaps they never will

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
46. Thanks for adding this to the moment of nostalgia, OS.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:44 PM
Feb 2015

As I said in the OP, the Chevy, the levee, and the whiskey bring back my youth in Nebraska.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
28. They're going to smash it with a hammer?
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:02 PM
Feb 2015

I was a little perplexed by the title. I think they meant "gavel". It got lost in translation.

BTW a great song that has special meaning to me.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
41. FWIW, this is Indian English, derived from British English...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:24 PM
Feb 2015

and in the UK, they do say "under the hammer!

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
29. This is refreshing to see.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:13 PM
Feb 2015

Going by the headline, I thought it might be more fundies smashing records literally again.

I like that song.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
30. And if you're driving and singing the song in your head...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 08:29 PM
Feb 2015

...you could hit all your shift points perfect...

(drop clutch) So bye BYE...Miss American PIE...Drove my CHEVY... to the LEVEE... but the levee was dry.

Them was 4 speed days of course...you couldn't actually shift on LEVEE back then.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
38. Yes, that was on the B side of the "Vincent" 45.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:14 AM
Feb 2015

Although the version on the 45 had a faster tempo, which I prefer.

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
51. That's probably my favorite Don McLean song.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:54 PM
Feb 2015

Personally, I prefer the slower version you posted. I think it fits the mood of the lyrics better.

I liked American Pie when it came out, but it was so overplayed, I turn it off now when it comes on the radio.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
52. He's been elusive about the lyrics because
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:01 AM
Feb 2015

they are trite and mostly meaningless. I have never understood the love people have for this song, which is full of hackneyed rhymes and images ("drove my chevy to the levee" is like 8th grade level poetry) and only seems like some obscure tale full of references because it is "cryptic" -- meaning really it makes no damn sense.

It appeals, I find, to people of a certain age who romanticize 50s America.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
57. "drove my Chevy to the levee"
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 02:00 PM
Feb 2015

... is was what pop song writers call a "hook" -- something people immediately recognize and love to sing along with -- and you could hardly find a better example. That, and the "cryptic" lyrics -- well, perhaps McLean had a different purpose than what you think he ought to have had. His song Vincent shows that he was definitely capable of writing poetry, but I doubt that very many people would have ever heard that song if it wasn't for American Pie. But anyway, you seem to have a non-standard definition of "hackneyed." I would attribute American Pie's popularity to it not being hackneyed. As I said above, it was and still is a very unique song, despite your disdain

> It appeals, I find, to people of a certain age who romanticize 50s America.

... for you to poop on? That would seem to refute your claim that it's "trite and mostly meaningless" to the people who like it, even if that was their reason. "Romantiz(ing) 50s America" certainly isn't the reason I like it, since I think the proximate cause of the 60s social revolution was the 50s America, but I don't see that as a reason to denigrate Buddy Holly fans. FYI, I'm of a "certain age" where I think the music of the late 60s and early 70s was much better than Buddy Holly's. I would guess that you are of a "certain age" where you prefer... well, whatever the hell you prefer, and you're welcome to it even if kids of a "certain age" probably think it's crap.

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